what the fuck is a thread on real deal?

RAT!

i was told that i drove by his house in penn hills. i don't know if it was really his but my buddy swore that it was.

You can't really speak on the Outfit without being considered a "rat" because no one really knows anything about them.

im reading that thread now! people are shittin on him left and right and up side down its great!

how can i get on the real deal forums?

talk to ivy league. you have to be invited. and you def can't act like our friend bridgeport.

maybe you can vouch for me haha! ive only been a member for a little while but my threads and posts are at least reasonable. oh, i also heard the outfit made 200 new members in a huge new years celebration:)

Except you, right?

Five Felonies, check your PM's.

the size doesnt mean you powerful or weak though does it?

The size of a family is certainly a factor. To think otherwise is like saying a 20 member family could be as strong as a 200 member family. It's not a coincidence that the larger families are the stronger ones and the smaller families are not as strong.

Also, please remember we're going by actual official estimates here. Not phony figures pulled from where the sun don't shine.

ok. roughly how many made men are their in the genovese? i read it was around 270

That figure was from the NY Daily News or NY Post (can't recall which one) a few years ago and it was inflated. Same for the 260 figure about the Gambinos that came from the same article.

The 2007 indictment against Genovese acting boss Danny Leo cited the family as having a little over 200 members.

The 2010 indictment against Gambino acting boss Danny Marino cited the family as having a little over 200 members.

Thanks for the info about Porter. No idea what he's up to these days - I never really knew much about him. Most of my knowledge of Pittsburgh is due to the Youngstown thing.

with your knowledge, how many made men and associates you believe are inthose two families?

If you're referring to the Genovese and Gambinos, the 200 figure for each family is consistent with other estimates. That's total made members - active, inactive, in prison. The Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos each have a little over 100 total made members.

Estimating associates is something else entirely. It's not like counting members, where somebody is made or they're not. It all depends on how one defines an associate and that's usually up to the local FBI SAC in a given area. Depending on how rigid or loose of a definition you want to go with, you'll see the ratio of members to associates in the NY families range anywhere from 1/3 to 1/10. Meaning 3 associates for every member all the way up to 10 associates for every member.

Five Felonies, you must know however, that one's you're in, you can never go out, expect in a box.

Hi Ivyleague,

Am I able to get on the forum? I was told to speak with you. You can email me privately if you need to. Thanks so much.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe Porter lived(s) on Old William Penn Highway, at least that is where he made his home back in the 80's and 90's. I'm not sure if his family moved when he went to prison or cooperated. I know his cousin is Rocco Viola, a Cranberry developer and he supposedly went to work for his cousin when he got released (the same cousin that was on trial for allegedly paying him as a ghost employee). Henry "Zebo" Zottola was also employed by Anthony Rocca of Rocca's Italian Foods in New Castle, PA.

Iam sure he is living back at his old home ! People don't care about the mob today like twenty years ago !

I was actually just about to invite you. Wait a moment and I'll see what I can do.

edit: check your PMs

Let me start by saying Uncle Joe is my fav gangster.. I love this man.. Now, Joe Ligambi did get house money, i understand that.. This is a serious addiction. When your a mobster your whole life thats all you know. All your friends are mobsters so who are you gonna hang out with. When Uncle Joe got out im sure he didn’t have any money and his only friends and family were gangsters. So what did you want him to do? Develop a trait and start working 9-5? This guys would rather rot in jail than do that the rest of their life. Its simple.. If your on the streets for 5 yrs, making hundreds of thousands over this period of time, do you think ur gonna stop doing illegal shit and get a legit job? NO SHOT… The power, the swag, the look is an addiction just as bad as drugs and gambling. They are obsessed with their image.. These wiseguys will be the first to admit their criminals and the only way they will stop hanging around and doing illegal shit is if they hit the lotto, die or jail.. You think guys like Crea, Barney need to do tihis? What about Marino.. Guy shudda got out 5 yrs ago but he wont.. Carmine Sciandra’s top tomato is a gold mine in itself, the guy doesn’t have to do any of this and can make millions, where is he? Currently in jail.. LCN is their first priority, not girls, or their family, or their health..

Uncle Joe is a nice guy sucks hes in jail whatever

Uncle Joe didn't come home to nothing. And he has legit connections as well as not. No one is saying he needed to go get a job managing target 9-5. Not only did he jump right back in after being one of the luckiest guys ever, he brought his family more involved and even made his brother. He is one of my more favorite as well and did a good job in the big seat no doubt just kind of bothers me I guess cause he won an appeal on a murder. And if your gonna come back, why jump right into the big seat? Thats a one way ticket to jail. I guess I am playing devils addvocate here but the way he got out of jail I thought he would have thought twice. but i understand how it works just throwing some thoughts out there.

I Agree !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could of came home and opened a nice Italian Restaurant ,told alot of war stories ,and been treated by All as a Great Stand Up Guy and Success Story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's easy to play monday morning quarterback, but he would have been perfect in the consigliere role. It's a big enough position to assuage the ego, yet you're not as big a target. I'm sure he could have worked it out if he wanted to.

If he ends up with ten years---RICO "light" or not---he may very well die in jail.

I just think alot of these guys come home to nothing.

Lets say if your a soldier or even acting capo. Your crew consits of mby 5 gangsters if that.. Now say your crew gets sweeepd up and you along with ur big guy go away.. 5 to 7 years later your out and home to nothing.. Your rackets and gambling operation are gone.. What do you do? Your big guy may lay low bc obv he is not hurting for money.. So what do the rest of the guys do? Your prob gonna be demoted from capo or someone else took over ur turf who is now capo..

IS this how it works?

OK, I'm just going to assume that Ivan will do the invite here.