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Re: Philly LCN update [Re: Boardwalkguy] #629240
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Originally Posted By: Boardwalkguy
Anyone hear of other crews operating in Phila that are independent of the LCN ? I'am sure the local zips don't kick in to anyone ?


Well, there was/is the 10th and O Gang.


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There might be a war soon. There's been a big conflict over some rackets and people breaking the chain of command.

A lot of people are ratting because of that huge oxycodone bust thats mobbed up...the media could have a field day with that when that goes to court

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I was thinking other Italian groups or even made/associates. That refuse to pay or be involved with Ligambi's crew ?not the 10th and. O gang !

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Theres still social clubs and independent operators doing their own thing. Alot of friends I know that have had kids lately have either moved out to washington township in jersey or out towards king of prussia..getting out of south phila buy a small townhouse and start up a book after knowing your neigbors for a few years it works out for some people.


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DICKNOSE, can you elaborate on the conflicts over rackets.. Any kep Philly mob figures involved? thanks pal

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To Dick Nose Moltasanti as far as I know Frankie Flowers got whacked for the so called term ''not paying tribute to the mob''Apparantley Scarfo wanted a piece of everything and some old school guys like D'Alfonso refused to do so.

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Word has been around for a long time that a zip crew from Calabria in South Philly and the rest of the city. I highly doubt they kick anything to the Philly LCN because the feds still have no info on who these guys are.

My safe bet is they are mostly using guys here on "vacation" guys from Italy (including immigrants from places like Albania and Romania) that stay here for a bit do the crimes then head back.

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I also heard of a group from Calabria that operates in South Phila ! They say this guy owns restaurants , but I'am not sure who or what the names of the places are ?

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Underworld Ganging Up?
Feds say infamous Italian crews may be working out of South Philly eatery.
by By Brendan McGarvey and Gabriele J. Valentine
Sep 26, 2007


There's a little restaurant in South Philly that some consider a mafia hangout, but nobody in law enforcement is quite sure what mob the guys there belong to. Some patrons are Italian immigrants who regularly travel between South Philly and southern Italy. They speak English with thick Italian accents and a few dress more like European bankers than street-corner toughs.

The owner of the restaurant — which, for the time being, will go unidentified — is from somewhere in Italy. While a source claims the owner is from Naples, most of the owner's friends are Sicilian, and they treat the owner with "boss" deference. Says one eyewitness, there is "a lot of kissing on the cheeks and clasping of hands."

During the day, Italian immigrants from the neighborhood and men from as far away as Toronto and Naples visit the owner and his men. In several rooms above the restaurant, there are meetings, card games and parties almost every night. One law enforcement source tells City Paper the owner runs a loan-shark operation and construction company.

"The owner is back and forth between Philly and Sicily a lot," says one neighbor of the business located not too far from the stadiums. "He is involved in some shady international stuff."

But whatever the restaurant owner and his Sicilian boys are up to, they don't seem to have much interaction with the local Italian-American Mafia, allegedly run by Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi. At least one state law enforcement investigator thinks they're part of some other secret criminal organization from Italy.

"Could be Camorra or 'Ndrangheta," the source offers.

The Camorra — which means "gang" in Italian — originated in Naples as a prison crew some 200 years ago and is said to have 6,000 members. During the 1970s, the Camorra battled the 20,000-member Sicilian Mafia for control of the Italian underworld.

The 'Ndrangheta — which means "courage" in Italian — is based in Calabria and is said to have 5,000 members who generate more than $21 billion from illegal activities. Just last month, 'Ndragheta gunmen murdered six Italians in a pizzeria in Duisberg, Germany; the killings are part of a bloody feud between rival crime clans from Calabria vying to control Europe's cocaine trade.

For the most part, the Sicilian Mafia, Camorra and 'Ndrangheta put aside their differences 30 years ago to work together to run international drug-smuggling networks. That had a local and immediate effect. In July 1989, FBI agents arrested members of the Sicilian Mafia and the 'Ndrangheta with three pounds of heroin at a rest stop on I-95 in Delaware. At the same time, federal agents began documenting business meetings between leaders of a Sicilian Mafia group and an 'Ndrangheta gang operating out of Queens, NY. (The Sicilian Mafia had been meeting and working with various American crime families for generations.)

"We know these guys have been operating in the United States for more than 20 years now," an organized crime expert says. "The Mafia. The Camorra. The 'Ndrangheta. They're very dangerous. I just hope they haven't gotten a foothold here in South Philadelphia."


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So what is the restaurant

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great post Ivy.. in Italy Camorra also means fight or brawl

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20.000 member Sicilian Mafia?


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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
20.000 member Sicilian Mafia?


Thats big mistake in the article,Sicilian Mafia have around ~6000 made members and around 50,000 associates.All 4 groups(Camorra,'Ndrangheta,Cosa Nostra and Sacra Corona Unita) have like 20,000 made members.But i have seen much bigger mistakes in some articles like they are talking about murder of Salvatore Montagna and there is picture of Vinny Basciano

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Is there any Irish mob in Philly these days? Or are they all kaput?


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uncle joe!!!!!


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Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
Is there any Irish mob in Philly these days? Or are they all kaput?
the k and A gang seems all but gone. while northeast philly still has a large irish population and a bunch of irish criminals, the days of anything organized seem long gone.


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I think Uncle Joe will get prisoned, he will likely receive a 10+ year sentence.


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^^idk yet, depends if a superseeding indictment (which GA alluded to a few times) is filled against Uncle Joe with more evidence/charges then he will def be down for the count


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if Uncle Joe will get prisoned for 10 years, steve mazzone will mantain the rank of acting boss.. or not? What do you think?

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No one knowsfor sure, some even put Merlino back in business. I am not sure about that, there are a couple big players left on the streets. Each of them could go for the top spot, but they will let Ligambi hold the official title.


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^^exactly


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Originally Posted By: Strax
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
20.000 member Sicilian Mafia?


Thats big mistake in the article,Sicilian Mafia have around ~6000 made members and around 50,000 associates.All 4 groups(Camorra,'Ndrangheta,Cosa Nostra and Sacra Corona Unita) have like 20,000 made members.But i have seen much bigger mistakes in some articles like they are talking about murder of Salvatore Montagna and there is picture of Vinny Basciano


Yeah, I don't get where they came up with that crazy number. It is about 6,000, you're right. I remember that picture mistake too. lol
Also, I remember when Messina was captured in 2010, they were putting up pics of Messina-Denaro all over.


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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Underworld Ganging Up?
Feds say infamous Italian crews may be working out of South Philly eatery.
by By Brendan McGarvey and Gabriele J. Valentine
Sep 26, 2007


There's a little restaurant in South Philly that some consider a mafia hangout, but nobody in law enforcement is quite sure what mob the guys there belong to. Some patrons are Italian immigrants who regularly travel between South Philly and southern Italy. They speak English with thick Italian accents and a few dress more like European bankers than street-corner toughs.

The owner of the restaurant — which, for the time being, will go unidentified — is from somewhere in Italy. While a source claims the owner is from Naples, most of the owner's friends are Sicilian, and they treat the owner with "boss" deference. Says one eyewitness, there is "a lot of kissing on the cheeks and clasping of hands."

During the day, Italian immigrants from the neighborhood and men from as far away as Toronto and Naples visit the owner and his men. In several rooms above the restaurant, there are meetings, card games and parties almost every night. One law enforcement source tells City Paper the owner runs a loan-shark operation and construction company.

"The owner is back and forth between Philly and Sicily a lot," says one neighbor of the business located not too far from the stadiums. "He is involved in some shady international stuff."

But whatever the restaurant owner and his Sicilian boys are up to, they don't seem to have much interaction with the local Italian-American Mafia, allegedly run by Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi. At least one state law enforcement investigator thinks they're part of some other secret criminal organization from Italy.

"Could be Camorra or 'Ndrangheta," the source offers.

The Camorra — which means "gang" in Italian — originated in Naples as a prison crew some 200 years ago and is said to have 6,000 members. During the 1970s, the Camorra battled the 20,000-member Sicilian Mafia for control of the Italian underworld.

The 'Ndrangheta — which means "courage" in Italian — is based in Calabria and is said to have 5,000 members who generate more than $21 billion from illegal activities. Just last month, 'Ndragheta gunmen murdered six Italians in a pizzeria in Duisberg, Germany; the killings are part of a bloody feud between rival crime clans from Calabria vying to control Europe's cocaine trade.

For the most part, the Sicilian Mafia, Camorra and 'Ndrangheta put aside their differences 30 years ago to work together to run international drug-smuggling networks. That had a local and immediate effect. In July 1989, FBI agents arrested members of the Sicilian Mafia and the 'Ndrangheta with three pounds of heroin at a rest stop on I-95 in Delaware. At the same time, federal agents began documenting business meetings between leaders of a Sicilian Mafia group and an 'Ndrangheta gang operating out of Queens, NY. (The Sicilian Mafia had been meeting and working with various American crime families for generations.)

"We know these guys have been operating in the United States for more than 20 years now," an organized crime expert says. "The Mafia. The Camorra. The 'Ndrangheta. They're very dangerous. I just hope they haven't gotten a foothold here in South Philadelphia."



Ivy, do you remember a long time ago what I posted on Real Deal, and maybe here as well? I had said that Massimino had familial ties to Realmonte and Siculiana, Sicily. There are ties, blood and clan. And even one further, there are Massimino's of Sicily that are married with some Caruana/Cun trera's. Small world.
So, according to this article now, it re-enforces what I was saying way back then. wink

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There's a guy on real deal, who I find very reliable and knowledgeable, that said Mazzone was already "giving orders" prior to Ligambi and his inner circle (Massimino, Staino, Lucibello) being arrested. He told me this before mcscott posted this new information a week or so ago.

Mazzone is very well respected in Philly, very capable of running things with or without Merlino backing him.

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Originally Posted By: carmela

Ivy, do you remember a long time ago what I posted on Real Deal, and maybe here as well? I had said that Massimino had familial ties to Realmonte and Siculiana, Sicily. There are ties, blood and clan. And even one further, there are Massimino's of Sicily that are married with some Caruana/Cun trera's. Small world.
So, according to this article now, it re-enforces what I was saying way back then. wink


Except the article says there doesn't appear to be any connection with the local LCN family. Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't. I'd be surprised if they didn't at least know each other. It would be nice to have more info beyond a brief article from the City Paper.

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Independents operations on traditional LCN territory happen everyday in Phila ! Joe Vito operated in Montogomery county and made millions !

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