Philly actually started a thread with that title in the Sit Down recently.

According to pic chin missed on purpose. I will find th post and put it up, there is a couple telling of reasons why. Th main one is that Chin and Vito would have had to have been killed if they would have carried out the hit.

Isn't it true that those made before 1957 had to at least take part in a killing, while those inducted post 1975 when books reopened were not so required?

Everyone was against but you must think his thoughts are backrd up by events that occured. How do a Vito and Chn live if they kill Frank? If they really wanted to kill him why didnt they?

What do you consider a good boxer hairy? 21-4 not a decent pro record? He had a 2nd ko at MSG.

Thats what i am kinda trying to say, if they kill Frank its a war. If they scare Frank he steps down.

A shot in the leg is an insult, a miss to the head is a message/warning.

One of my first posts at Real Deal was a question asking him if he was Lenehan. I basically got attacked by the admin and backed down pretty quick since I didn't want to burn up my welcome there.

Vito and Gigante got away with it because after the Anastasia hit, Costello lacked muscle.

I've always had some trouble believing the lacked muscle argument. Why would Costello need muscle from another family to assure his position within his own family? If you ask me, that's kind of silly.

There isn't much on John Scalish (Giovanni Scalise)
But he rose fast in the family ranks.
he was a stick up man and took the rap for a robbery in the early 30's
He got a early pardon.
He was a lieutinent under Big Al Polizzi.
When Polizzi had made enough $$$$,he "retired" to Florida.
Because Scalish took the rap and didn't sell anybody out on that robbery of a bottling company,they made him boss at the Statler Hotel in Cleveland in 1944.
He was able to successfully merge business interests with the Jewish boys..Maishe Rockman, Shonder Birns.
But Dalitz, Tucker, Milano, already formed the "Combination" a decade earlier.
Scalish just did what was working well.
But after the Applachian Bust in 1957 with John DeMarco...Scalish decided to stop making new members. Closed the books. He had enough $$$$. Skim $$$,
casinos in Southern Ohio...gambling proceeds from Youngstown...his vending sevice....
At this time his health was slowly going south.
He moved out Kinsman Road(ghetto) in Cleveland to Gates Mills(Eastern Suburb) in 1964. Rockman and Lonardo moved to the same suburb.
Scalish was so well off,he gave the numbers rackets to Shonder Birns.
Intresting side note about Scalish.....the guys beneath him...Frank Brancato, Dominic Sospirato(Ange's cousin) John DeMarco, Anthony Milano all spoke in their old country dialects...Sicilian, Calabresian.....but Scalish didn't have a accent...I guess part of that being he was born in Cleveland.
I do know at some point Scalish instructed all his capos, and street bosses to drive Buicks instead of Cadillacs.
But Scalish was a very low key boss was very much in the shadows. He was close to Mickey Cohen and Jackie Pressers dad Bill Presser.
I don't think he imposed a street tax like that do in Chicago.
He lets all his underlings make their own money. Every earned under Scalish.
I don't he had "green eyes"

here is a list of mobsters, who have reached top positions without having ever pulled the trigger

Angelo Bruno
Carlos Marcello
Santo Trafficante, Jr.
Peter Milano
Jerry Agiuolo
Matthew Madonna
Michael Franzese
Nicky Scarfo Jr
Frank Gioia Jr
Bill Bonanno

Going back some: since Chin was 21-4 with only one ko, how many where fixed? Did he pay the judges, cause only one guy "took a fall".

I know that both Bill Bonanno and Michael Franzese claimed they never personally killed anyone. And maybe they're telling the truth. But I don't know how we can be so sure for everybody on that list.

Interesting thing is that when I brought up that I had read Lenehan was known to post as Picasso the thread was quickly closed by the admin.

These arguments are still going on? I was a member of the RD back around 98-01 and that was the talk then. Some guy by the name of Batman was all over him. Telling everyone that he was Lenehan and trying to expose him. There were two groups back then, those that were 100% sure he was and those that were 100% sure he wasn't. I figured thos would have been figured out by now or at least dropped. I actually was surprised to hear he was alive, last I heard he was on his death bed.

I think people have reasons to protect him, i.e: so that he continues to post.

Are Smartened Up, LTH and Jilly still posting on the RD?

The mob made money on boxers much the same way as the mob did/do with "pump and dump" schemes on Wall Street. Having a boxer with, let´s say a 7 or 8 winning streak, the mob made huge money on betting on the same boxer to lose a match against a weaker opponent who average Joe was convinced would lose.
The mob controled the boxing industry back then and managed many, many boxers. Those boxers were told to take a dive, or lose on purpose, when it suited the mob.

So Chin's losses are most likely the mob cash in fights.

Carlo Gambino of actually carrying out the hit on anastasia.