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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #636725
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Not just the internet. It's in "Mafia Dynasty" too.

Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: BarrettM] #641885
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Originally Posted By: BarrettM
How about its sister rule, no harming women?

When Gus Greenbaum refused to run the Riviera Hotel for Tony Accardo, his innocent sister was murdered, and when he later began skimming and refused town, his throat was slit, his innocent wife as well. And this was after showgirl Estelle Carey was burned alive as a message to her informant boyfriend. When Jimmy Burke associate Angelo Sepe had finally made it through all the violence following the Lufthansa Heist, he decided to rob a mob connected dealer. He was shot with a gun with a silencer. His sleeping girlfriend who had obviously witnessed and heard nothing was killed as well. Worst of all, when Roy DeMeo murdered a female witness and was called on the carpet about it, he told Paul Castellano, 'she might have talked'. The old school Castellano just shrugged. And let's not forget the rapists in high positions, like Christie Tick and Joe Adonis. Forget the honor in the movies, the mob is no more moral than the street gangs in LA.


Harm no women is total BS. The body count in the wars in Upstate NY in the late 70s and 80s included 2 women. Dawn Grillo and Carla Faliciano


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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #642657
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Hey Turnbull first i have to say thanks a million times for this post,it clears many misunderstandings!I have a question about the Bruno murder in Philly,was it about the drug bussiness or the casino's in Atlantic City?And was it really arranged by Funzi Tieri?Thanks in advance
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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: HairyKnuckles] #643941
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I want to do a story about this but no offense I need more than your word... can you give me your source on this?

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I am referring to the pic of Maranzano not being Maranzano in my above post

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Originally Posted By: EVL
I want to do a story about this but no offense I need more than your word... can you give me your source on this?


EVL, Check your PM box. I have sent you a link to a magazine article I think I´m not allowed to openly promote in here.


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Its a myth that mafiosos lives a glamorous life. the reality is that they live in hiding and fear people from their own organisation more than they fear the police.

The typical killing of a mafia member is done by a close friend of him. This is the preferred method of the mafia.

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Question, not really a myth… is Salvatore Clemente (Lucchese rat associate) retarded? Or just have a speech impediment all a Sylvester Stallone?


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I've got alot of questions.

Could someone explain in detail what a "Union" is?

What are the average kick-ups for a medium sized mob of like 10-20 people? For Associates, Soldiers, Capo's etc.

I'd thought the made Ceremony consisted of just your blood, no also the Bosses blood?

As well as anything else anyone would like to add to my questions.

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Originally Posted By: Skygee
I've got alot of questions.

Could someone explain in detail what a "Union" is?

What are the average kick-ups for a medium sized mob of like 10-20 people? For Associates, Soldiers, Capo's etc.

I'd thought the made Ceremony consisted of just your blood, no also the Bosses blood?

As well as anything else anyone would like to add to my questions.


With risk of misunderstanding your first question...a union is an association of workers or employees. The association is supposed to take care of its members against employers (roughly said).

And no, the boss does not shed blood in induction ceremonies. The bosses have already done that when they were made.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=640273#Post640273

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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: EVL
I want to do a story about this but no offense I need more than your word... can you give me your source on this?


EVL, Check your PM box. I have sent you a link to a magazine article I think I´m not allowed to openly promote in here.


What on Earth do you mean by "openly promote"? As long as you link to the source and/or cite the author in the reproduction, why would you not be able to reproduce an article on the public record? Was there a conversation with the Don that I missed?

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles


Originally Posted By: Skygee
I've got alot of questions.

Could someone explain in detail what a "Union" is?

What are the average kick-ups for a medium sized mob of like 10-20 people? For Associates, Soldiers, Capo's etc.

I'd thought the made Ceremony consisted of just your blood, no also the Bosses blood?

As well as anything else anyone would like to add to my questions.


With risk of misunderstanding your first question...a union is an association of workers or employees. The association is supposed to take care of its members against employers (roughly said).

And no, the boss does not shed blood in induction ceremonies. The bosses have already done that when they were made.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=640273#Post640273


Basically, a Union is set up by workers and representatives of a certain industy to ensure fair wages, fair policies and safe work practices for said industry. For example, there are unions for the construction industry, the service industry, the transport industy, etc. Typically, in order to belong to and benefit from the union's policies, workers will pay a nominal fee out of their weekly wages; union 'dues'.

By infilatrating a particular union, mobsters are able to circumvent certain policies (such as charging labour at below the union rate and ignoring safe work policies) and benefit from said dues or union fees with paid jobs, allowing other mobsters to list a legitimate source of income despite not really working at all, ie; no-show jobs or no-work jobs. Hence the term 'labor racketeering'.

As for the kick ups, as has been discussed many times before on this forum, there is often no particular set-rate; a soldier kicks up a portion of whatever it is he earns. Some earn more than others, so by correlation some kick up nmore then others. Following on this, the mobster who engages in the more lucrative rackets is likley to wield more influence and get away with more than the mobster of the same ranking who is involved in less profitable rackets. To paraphrase about a hundred mediocre rappers, "Its all about the benjamins"

As for the making ceremony, it seems like there are a bunch of different versions, depending on which Family and which member is conducting the ceremony. One reads about literal blood rites (where blood is drawn and smeared on the Saint, then burned) to simply burning the Saint, to elaborate counting rituals meant to assign a mentor to the somewhat pathetic (Mike Rizzitello was made by Jimmy the Weasel and 'The Bomp' Bompensiero in the back of a car in California, amid cigar smoke and a the interior light. 'Baldy Mike' Spinelli was made into the Lucchese Family by Gaspipe Casso in a NY prison. They burned toilet paper instead of a Saint and kissed rolleyes )

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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica] #651853
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Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: EVL
I want to do a story about this but no offense I need more than your word... can you give me your source on this?


EVL, Check your PM box. I have sent you a link to a magazine article I think I´m not allowed to openly promote in here.


What on Earth do you mean by "openly promote"? As long as you link to the source and/or cite the author in the reproduction, why would you not be able to reproduce an article on the public record? Was there a conversation with the Don that I missed?



No, there was no conversation with the Don. Simply put, I wasn´t sure if I was allowed to post a link to the article, which one have to pay for in order to read. I´m not (or wasn´t) sure that would have considered to be "legal" on here. Didn´t want to be a subject of the moderators wrath. That´s all.


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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #651855
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The picture of Salvatore Maranzano isn't of him. Its of another mobster from Britain.

Maranzano wore a mustache, the picture shows no such thing.

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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
[quote=DeMeo]The picture of Salvatore Maranzano isn't of him. Its of another mobster from Britain.

Maranzano wore a mustache, the picture shows no such thing.


You are correct about the picture. But how do you know Maranzano wore a mustache? confused

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He was called a Mustache Pete. Even the movies the Youngest Godfather and Mobsters show him with one.

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Originally Posted By: DeMeo
He was called a Mustache Pete. Even the movies the Youngest Godfather and Mobsters show him with one.


"Mustache Pete" was a derogatory term used by the younger mobsters when referring to the older generation in general. The older ones didn´t necessarily wore mustaches.
No photo of him has been publicized exept of the few snapshots taken on his dead corpse. And none of them show his face properly. Hollywood would not have known how he looked like.
You can find the photos of his dead corpse in the "Rare photos" thread in here.


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I know that people say Omerta is a mob myth these days but you do get those disciplined mobsters who would never rat out on the family. Some won't even accept plea deals, sure snitches are way more common but is it safe to say that there were as many mob snitches today as there were 30 years ago??


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Originally Posted By: Antonio
I know that people say Omerta is a mob myth these days but you do get those disciplined mobsters who would never rat out on the family. Some won't even accept plea deals, sure snitches are way more common but is it safe to say that there were as many mob snitches today as there were 30 years ago??


I would say that's a bit of an overstatement. There are more experienced posters on here that could offer insight in comparing 30 years ago to the present day.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Vinny’s now making even more money. He kicks a nice piece of it upstairs to his crew chief. In turn, the crew chief passes a cut to his capo, who shares his piece with the Don. Pretty soon, that whole East Harlem operation, and everyone in it, is looking very good to the Don. But the Don’s not dumb—he has a good idea where the money originates. He hears about a drug bust that netted some members of a Jamaican posse in Brooklyn. He mentions to his capos, “Hey, it’s a real good thing that we have a ban on selling drugs in our borgata, and a death penalty for violators. Otherwise we’d wind up like them no-good, undisciplined mulinians over there.” The capos pass the word on down. Vinny’s crew chief, who knows what’s going on, says to Vinny, “Uh, by the way, you ain’t sellin’ drugs, are you?” “Me?” replies Vinny, indignantly. “Sellin’ f*****’ s**t to a buncha lowlifes on the street? Not on your f*****’ life!” Vinny told the literal truth: he’s not actually selling drugs on the street—he’s just wholesaling drugs to the guys who are selling them. As far as he’s concerned, he’s not violating the family’s ban on “selling drugs.” His crew chief is satisfied—and so’s everyone over him. They’re all getting their piece of Vinny’s action. As long as Vinny’s producing money, they’re content to look the other way. If he gets caught, he knows they’ll try to kill him before he can rat them out. Everyone knows the score.

I don't think the hypothetical situation you described his banned. Officially or otherwise. Even after the 1950s ban, Mafia families were still distributing drugs. They just didn't want their own guys selling it (which a lot of them did anyways). Financing a drug operation is different, though. In the situation above, he bought the heroin, but had it distributed through a 3rd party. In your example, he didn't even have to touch the drugs. I don't think there is anything to hide from his superiors. It's not like the Cherry Hill Gambinos or anything who actually ran drug operations. That was out-right ignoring the ban, but Castellano didn't care.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull

Oh, and let's not forget your new "brothers" in the Mafia--the guys who kissed you on the cheek when you got made, and now refer to you as "a friend of ours." Every one of them has contacts in law enforcement that they feed info to in return for being left alone to pursue their own rackets. As soon as your ceremony was completed, they were on the phone to their favorite cops, informing them of the newest member of the Mob. Suddenly you're going to get more attention from law enforcement personnel than a visiting head of state. Your "brothers" will see you as insurance for them when they commit high profile crimes: they'll tip off their police pals that you did the dirty deeds.

This seems like complete BS. In a world were guys are killed simply under the suspicions of being an informant, how is it that every guy is talking to the police. Do you have any proof for this?


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Vinny’s now making even more money. He kicks a nice piece of it upstairs to his crew chief. In turn, the crew chief passes a cut to his capo, who shares his piece with the Don. Pretty soon, that whole East Harlem operation, and everyone in it, is looking very good to the Don. But the Don’s not dumb—he has a good idea where the money originates. He hears about a drug bust that netted some members of a Jamaican posse in Brooklyn. He mentions to his capos, “Hey, it’s a real good thing that we have a ban on selling drugs in our borgata, and a death penalty for violators. Otherwise we’d wind up like them no-good, undisciplined mulinians over there.” The capos pass the word on down. Vinny’s crew chief, who knows what’s going on, says to Vinny, “Uh, by the way, you ain’t sellin’ drugs, are you?” “Me?” replies Vinny, indignantly. “Sellin’ f*****’ s**t to a buncha lowlifes on the street? Not on your f*****’ life!” Vinny told the literal truth: he’s not actually selling drugs on the street—he’s just wholesaling drugs to the guys who are selling them. As far as he’s concerned, he’s not violating the family’s ban on “selling drugs.” His crew chief is satisfied—and so’s everyone over him. They’re all getting their piece of Vinny’s action. As long as Vinny’s producing money, they’re content to look the other way. If he gets caught, he knows they’ll try to kill him before he can rat them out. Everyone knows the score.

I don't think the hypothetical situation you described his banned. Officially or otherwise. Even after the 1950s ban, Mafia families were still distributing drugs. They just didn't want their own guys selling it (which a lot of them did anyways). Financing a drug operation is different, though. In the situation above, he bought the heroin, but had it distributed through a 3rd party. In your example, he didn't even have to touch the drugs. I don't think there is anything to hide from his superiors. It's not like the Cherry Hill Gambinos or anything who actually ran drug operations. That was out-right ignoring the ban, but Castellano didn't care.


Castellano cared enough that he wanted to kill Gotti's friend. didn't Gotti kill Casteallno over some police tapes that would have shown his friend sold drugs agaisnt Castellano's orders?

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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Many people on these boards, especially younger people, ask questions or make statements about Mob life that are often myths--not realities. I'd like to start a thread that helps clear up the myths. I'll post occasionally, and ask you to post your own ideas, thoughts, explanations. Here's the first:

BEING "MADE" IN THE MOB IS DANGEROUS TO LIFE AND LIBERTY

Many younger people believe that getting "made" in the Mafia is the ultimate glory. Nothing could be further from the truth: Getting "made" is just about the worst thing that could happen to anyone:

First you have to serve an "apprenticeship," during which...

"Honored Society"? You'd be better off washing dishes for a living.


First off, pretty good post. It's as full of myth and opinion, as any other story dealing the 'mafia.' Second, If anyone here is really young, and looking to get 'made' by reading posts on an anonymous website, I doubt they know any real gangsters.

The scene was always filled with rats and worse. It's why there has always been so much bloodshed and killings. All cities have not been alike. More violence in NYC families during some decades while Boston/New England remained relatively calm.

Final thought: most I know ended up badly, but some had a good run.

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Originally Posted By: Antonio
I know that people say Omerta is a mob myth these days but you do get those disciplined mobsters who would never rat out on the family. Some won't even accept plea deals, sure snitches are way more common but is it safe to say that there were as many mob snitches today as there were 30 years ago??

The thing is LE plays people like fools. Some people rat, others don't, some make deals that they think benefits them, only to find those deals used against them and -- flip.

Truth: never deal with LE without speaking to a lawyer first.

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Damn, this thread is excellent, alot of things I already knew, but its still a great read when ya stuck at work for 18hrs...........


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So I was watching the Soprano's and I began thinking.

That if a Boss is apart of a Commission and he kills a made guy he could answer to the commission and say the guy was a rat and it's okay correct?

But then I was also thinking what if the Boss kills a made guy without consulting the Commission and he wasn't a rat, dealing drugs etc.

As well as if the Boss isn't apart of a Commission technically he doesn't need permission correct?

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Originally Posted By: Skygee
So I was watching the Soprano's and I began thinking.

That if a Boss is apart of a Commission and he kills a made guy he could answer to the commission and say the guy was a rat and it's okay correct?

But then I was also thinking what if the Boss kills a made guy without consulting the Commission and he wasn't a rat, dealing drugs etc.

As well as if the Boss isn't apart of a Commission technically he doesn't need permission correct?


The Commission is non existent today. Back in the day, a boss was free to order any killing of a member of his Family if he found it to be necessary, without answering to the Commission.
However, killing a boss or a boss ordering the killing of another boss, without the Commission´s permission was a BIG no no.


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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Back in the day, a boss was free to order any killing of a member of his Family if he found it to be necessary, without answering to the Commission.

Yes. A made guy couldn't kill another made guy without the boss's permission, but the boss could do anything within his family. That's why it's good to be the king...

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However, killing a boss or a boss ordering the killing of another boss, without the Commission´s permission was a BIG no no.

Supposed to be a big no no. Albert Anastasia whacked his boss, Vincent Mangano, and simply showed up at the next Commission meeting, plopped himself down in Mangano's chair--and no one said boo to him. John Gotti socialized his plan to whack Castellano and Bilotti with key members of the Gambino Family and certain key members of other families (but not their Dons). No one said no to him. The Commission took no action against Gotti, probably because they'd been afraid that Castellano would rat them out rather than go to prison. The only exception was Chin Gigante, who arranged for Gotti's car to be bombed. His then-consigliere, Frankie DiCicco, was killed instead. Giganti was acting on his own, not on behalf of the Commission.


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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #661491
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull

Supposed to be a big no no. Albert Anastasia whacked his boss, Vincent Mangano, and simply showed up at the next Commission meeting, plopped himself down in Mangano's chair--and no one said boo to him.


Anastasia was called on the carpet and questioned about Vince Mangano´s disappearence by the Commission. When he spoke, his cleverly chosen words (probably instructed by his good friend Frank Costello) told of niether denial nor guilt. He hinted that Mangano had been plotting to kill him. Frank Costello also spoke before the Commission and vouched for him. So Anastasia survived by claiming selfdefence (a tactic that Genovese wanted to use later to justify the planned rub out of Costello) but never admtted to the rumors that he was behind the Mangano disappearence.


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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #661759
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
The only exception was Chin Gigante, who arranged for Gotti's car to be bombed. His then-consigliere, Frankie DiCicco, was killed instead. Giganti was acting on his own, not on behalf of the Commission.


The boss of the most powerful family does have certain privileges..


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Re: Mob myths, facts and realities [Re: Turnbull] #661788
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Back in the day, a boss was free to order any killing of a member of his Family if he found it to be necessary, without answering to the Commission.

Yes. A made guy couldn't kill another made guy without the boss's permission, but the boss could do anything within his family. That's why it's good to be the king...

Quote:
However, killing a boss or a boss ordering the killing of another boss, without the Commission´s permission was a BIG no no.

Supposed to be a big no no. Albert Anastasia whacked his boss, Vincent Mangano, and simply showed up at the next Commission meeting, plopped himself down in Mangano's chair--and no one said boo to him. John Gotti socialized his plan to whack Castellano and Bilotti with key members of the Gambino Family and certain key members of other families (but not their Dons). No one said no to him. The Commission took no action against Gotti, probably because they'd been afraid that Castellano would rat them out rather than go to prison. The only exception was Chin Gigante, who arranged for Gotti's car to be bombed. His then-consigliere, Frankie DiCicco, was killed instead. Giganti was acting on his own, not on behalf of the Commission.


Actually Gotti had the support of the bosses-in-waiting of the other families (except the Genovese) e.g. Orena, Casso, Massino, and also Gambino consigliere Joseph Gallo at the time. Gotti and Ruggiero obtained the approval of the Colombo and Bonanno families, while DeCicco secured the backing of the Luccheses.

Last edited by Dapper_Don; 08/24/12 08:24 PM.

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