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Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723305
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Just bought it used for a penny on amazon. Thanks south


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what mean gotti did the 302 ? and Junior Gotti didn't left life?
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Stevedaman] #723306
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Originally Posted By: Stevedaman
American desperado: story told by Jon Roberts about his involvement in drug trafficking in the 80s. The son of a new York wiseguy with a really good story. Took me a week to finish and it was an incredible read. Cocaine cowboys the movie from
2009 is based on this book. highly recommend it

Gonna start two more. Double deal : the inside story of murder, unbridled corruption, and the cop who was a mobster and GASPIPE: Confessions of a mafia boss

Will let you guys know if it's worth reading or not... Give me a week




American desperado is my top 2 true crime books I have ever read. Best part is the author researched everything and included footnotes on everything Jon said. Super interesting


Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
what mean gotti did the 302 ? and Junior Gotti didn't left life?
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723523
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I too recently read Rogue Mobster. It was a great book. It was very unique as it wasn't the same ole same ole i've read in all other books. Was about the Renegade war of the 90's in Boston. Wish there were more books about this little war out there. couldn't put it down... I actually got shit loads of cardio in that week and lost a good 5 pounds!

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723524
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does it talk about billy grasso at all?


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what mean gotti did the 302 ? and Junior Gotti didn't left life?
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723530
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it actually may mention him but only to say how he was murdered. Rogue Mobster was a great book as far as providing insight on organized crime historically in New England, mainly Boston/Rhode Island. But he does talk about how Cufari, Scibelli, and others ran Springfield, and other prominent wiseguys from other areas of Massachusetts and New England.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723535
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never anything about CT!!


Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
what mean gotti did the 302 ? and Junior Gotti didn't left life?
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723575
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Ya there wasn't to much about CT. They did very breifly, like a couple of paragraphs about skyball and how the Genovese influence in CT. What I found interesting about the book is how it explained something I heard of back in the day but never knew if it was shit talk or for real and that is how the Luchesses & Gambinos backed the renegade faction to take over leadership so they can have greater control over New England than the Genovese's very interesting stuff. I heard these rumors back in the 90's but kind of dismissed it cheap talk, but I guess it was for real! Awesome book. Check it out.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723594
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from what i know back in the day it was the jersey genevese crew that controlled most of CT which i find interesting

but thats just neighborhood talk, not sure how true


Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
what mean gotti did the 302 ? and Junior Gotti didn't left life?
Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #723700
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Just started book titled "I'll Do My Own Damn Killin" by Gary Sleeper. It's about Mafia in Vegas. Looks very good, and contains a lot of information on feuds they had with local Vegas mobsters.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: FunnyHow] #724577
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Murder Machine! Anything by Capeci and Destefano - I'd start there... Definitely Raab's FF...

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #724578
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I just stumbled across Born to the Mob -- interesting stuff about Phil Lucky. A lot of Bonanno heavyweights started in his crew : Basciano, Pitera, current acting boss who Phil through out of his crew.

I am researching a story I want to write that goes into detail regarding what the deal was with that Bonanno three-capo revolt that Massino and Sonny Black put down.... anyone have any leads? Id appreciate it!

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Originally Posted By: EVL
I just stumbled across Born to the Mob -- interesting stuff about Phil Lucky. A lot of Bonanno heavyweights started in his crew : Basciano, Pitera, current acting boss who Phil through out of his crew.

I am researching a story I want to write that goes into detail regarding what the deal was with that Bonanno three-capo revolt that Massino and Sonny Black put down.... anyone have any leads? Id appreciate it!


That would be an extremely interesting story to read. Some time ago, me myself tried to dig up some interesting aspects of the situation but found it hard to come across anything new thatīs not known already. Iīve looked for old articles covering the 3 capoīs dispute with Rastelli but there is not much there. I havenīt checked Ny Timesīarchives because I donīt have access to it. If you have access to it, Iīd suggest you do a search there. Perhaps youīll find something of interest that might give you a lead for the story.

Good luck Ed.


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The "Last Godfather" and "King of The Godfathers "by DeStefano has a chapter on the three captains and some photos. The new Vinny Gorgeous book by DeStefano has some stuff on it. Basciano was Trinchera's driver for a while.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #724903
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Does Vinny Gorgeous go into how Massino said the Napolitano hit had nothing to do with Brasco? Haven't gotten to take a look yet.

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Mob_Scribe] #725024
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Originally Posted By: Mob_Scribe
The "Last Godfather" and "King of The Godfathers "by DeStefano has a chapter on the three captains and some photos. The new Vinny Gorgeous book by DeStefano has some stuff on it. Basciano was Trinchera's driver for a while.


I guess that would explain why Basciano is seen in those wedding photos with the 3 capos, sitting next to Big Dom Trinchera

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #726398
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Almost done. With the new vinnny gorgeous book. It's decent so far but Destefanos writing style is getting on my nerves , reminds me of Carlos style of repeating the same thing over and over. Can't really blame massino for ratting I think he's smart enough to realize American LCN is finished and now his loyalty is to his family where it should of been all along

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Originally Posted By: BKLYN2NASSAU
Almost done. With the new vinnny gorgeous book. It's decent so far but Destefanos writing style is getting on my nerves , reminds me of Carlos style of repeating the same thing over and over. Can't really blame massino for ratting I think he's smart enough to realize American LCN is finished and now his loyalty is to his family where it should of been all along


Tell me its at least better than Mob Killer. The entire second half of the book was just a repeat of the first half, except now the stories are being told in court. Hands down one of the top 5 worst OC books I have ever read. Such a letdown. King of the Godfathers was much better though, although that book could still have been better too.

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I live close to a barnes n noble the new scarpa book is great. I read a couple chapters and leave 30bucks is steep. bot the aurthor got vic orean's kids giving there take on every little thing scarpa did in the Colombo war. he got larry mazza this guy did his work he got a lot of goons giving there 2 cents. researched as good as rabb's 5 families. sessa was a pawn scarpa a genius. hope no one tkes the last copy out the store, he looks at the Colombo war from every angle.greg jr. the orenas,sessa,casso. caaso told oreana when he became boss scarpa's a informer the cops told him. this is a great book.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
I live close to a barnes n noble the new scarpa book is great. I read a couple chapters and leave 30bucks is steep. bot the aurthor got vic orean's kids giving there take on every little thing scarpa did in the Colombo war. he got larry mazza this guy did his work he got a lot of goons giving there 2 cents. researched as good as rabb's 5 families. sessa was a pawn scarpa a genius. hope no one tkes the last copy out the store, he looks at the Colombo war from every angle.greg jr. the orenas,sessa,casso. caaso told oreana when he became boss scarpa's a informer the cops told him. this is a great book.


The book is based on the Scarpa files.

There is a dispute going on right now as we speak, between the author (Peter Lance) and Angela Clemente on who should be credited on the research for the book. Lance is claiming that he helped Clemente with optaining the files (and some other stuff), while Clemente "accuses" Lance of stealing her work.

I havenīt picked up the book. Perhaps because I feel for Angela Clemente and her side of the story. If she decides to write a book on Scarpa, thatīs the one I will be picking up.


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Originally Posted By: BKLYN2NASSAU
Almost done. With the new vinnny gorgeous book. It's decent so far but Destefanos writing style is getting on my nerves , reminds me of Carlos style of repeating the same thing over and over. Can't really blame massino for ratting I think he's smart enough to realize American LCN is finished and now his loyalty is to his family where it should of been all along


Agree with Bklyn regarding the writers style. I was really looking forward to this book, but half way through couldn't wait to finish it. Could have featured a lot more photos. With the mob now falling apart, I suspect we will see fewer good books. Waiting for the D'Arco book now

Re: Mafia Books [Re: Turi Giuliano] #727163
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I tried to search for a post on this one, but I just picked up Mafia Dynasty by John H. Davis (author of Mafia Kingfish-about Marcello, this one is a general history of the Gambinos). Has anyone read it? What do you think?

Just a chapter in and I'm thinking where he got all of this background info on Don Carlo? Probably relatives.

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Originally Posted By: Tony_Pro
I tried to search for a post on this one, but I just picked up Mafia Dynasty by John H. Davis (author of Mafia Kingfish-about Marcello, this one is a general history of the Gambinos). Has anyone read it? What do you think?

Just a chapter in and I'm thinking where he got all of this background info on Don Carlo? Probably relatives.



Barely a hundred pages in and this book is already turning south. According to Davis, Carmine Galante, "boss of the Bannano family", was at Apalachin. He further speculates wildly about Apalachin, writing that the state police may have been tipped-off by Frank Costello, a double-crossing Carlo Gambio and Meyer Lansky (and Marcello to boot) to embarrass and cause trouble for Genovese. Why they would jeoprodize every other boss in the country to just get back at Genovese the author doesn't address. He just tells us that it may have been a set-up because a bunch of Cosa Nostra bosses weren't there; which is a pretty huge leap since not all "commission" meetings were attended or rep'd by all bosses and Genovese's rivals would have been keen to find a handy excuse not to attend an impromptu meeting called by Genovese in the first place.

Even for a 20-year-old book this is not good.


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Just got Sinatra Club on Kindle and am 33% into it and so far am really enjoying it. Like reading about the life in the 50's and 60's.

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Originally Posted By: Tony_Pro
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I tried to search for a post on this one, but I just picked up Mafia Dynasty by John H. Davis (author of Mafia Kingfish-about Marcello, this one is a general history of the Gambinos). Has anyone read it? What do you think?

Just a chapter in and I'm thinking where he got all of this background info on Don Carlo? Probably relatives.



Barely a hundred pages in and this book is already turning south. According to Davis, Carmine Galante, "boss of the Bannano family", was at Apalachin. He further speculates wildly about Apalachin, writing that the state police may have been tipped-off by Frank Costello, a double-crossing Carlo Gambio and Meyer Lansky (and Marcello to boot) to embarrass and cause trouble for Genovese. Why they would jeoprodize every other boss in the country to just get back at Genovese the author doesn't address. He just tells us that it may have been a set-up because a bunch of Cosa Nostra bosses weren't there; which is a pretty huge leap since not all "commission" meetings were attended or rep'd by all bosses and Genovese's rivals would have been keen to find a handy excuse not to attend an impromptu meeting called by Genovese in the first place.

Even for a 20-year-old book this is not good.


Davis have a knack of exaggerating. I guess most mob writers do. But the most annoying writer and so called "mob expert", is without a doubt Ernest Volkman, in my opinion. He takes the exaggeration to the highest level, makes one want to puke. Canīt stand him!


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so in this book about scarpa kids gives a interview he was made in 1977 at the age of 25. his father proposed him he got made at some hall in Brooklyn were Colombo would hold rallys. the Colombo made guys really young in the 70tys 25. Michael franses was made at 25 yrs old in 1975. its strange the Colombo luchese and Genovese open the books in 74 and the Gambino's and bonannos didn't to 1977. imagine gaspipe made in 74 and all gotti and his friends arnt made yet and have to bow down to guys like mike fransese who got made Halloween 1975. sht paul catellano must have made over 100 guys in 1977 alone. greg depalma got caught on the phone talking about him and 11 others getting made grqvano said he was with a bunch of guys and who know how many guys gotti got made with.

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Originally Posted By: pmac
so in this book about scarpa kids gives a interview he was made in 1977 at the age of 25. his father proposed him he got made at some hall in Brooklyn were Colombo would hold rallys. the Colombo made guys really young in the 70tys 25. Michael franses was made at 25 yrs old in 1975. its strange the Colombo luchese and Genovese open the books in 74 and the Gambino's and bonannos didn't to 1977. imagine gaspipe made in 74 and all gotti and his friends arnt made yet and have to bow down to guys like mike fransese who got made Halloween 1975. sht paul catellano must have made over 100 guys in 1977 alone. greg depalma got caught on the phone talking about him and 11 others getting made grqvano said he was with a bunch of guys and who know how many guys gotti got made with.


All the NY Families were allowed to bring in a couple of new members in 1974. Tommy Gambino was one of them. In 1976, the books was opened again. Both Gravano and Franzese claim to have been made in 1975, but by the looks of it they were most likely wrong on the year. According to informants and FBI reports, the first mass inductions occured in 1976. Franzese claims he was put with Andy Russo in 1975 but this coincides badly with the info available on Russo. (Russo was made in 1976 and wasnīt made a captain until 1977.) He also claimed to have been made together with Vito Guzzo Sr. But Guzzo Sr was in prison in 1975 and wasnīt released until 1977.


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Originally Posted By: pmac
I live close to a barnes n noble the new scarpa book is great. I read a couple chapters and leave 30bucks is steep. bot the aurthor got vic orean's kids giving there take on every little thing scarpa did in the Colombo war. he got larry mazza this guy did his work he got a lot of goons giving there 2 cents. researched as good as rabb's 5 families. sessa was a pawn scarpa a genius. hope no one tkes the last copy out the store, he looks at the Colombo war from every angle.greg jr. the orenas,sessa,casso. caaso told oreana when he became boss scarpa's a informer the cops told him. this is a great book.


If you mean the Peter Lance book, I saw it in Barnes and Nobles, read some, it was boring. I guess we have different tastes if you find it great, but I just put it back on shelf after reading a few chapters. He just takes a lot of work done by other people, primarily the Angela Clemente mentioned by Hairy Knuckles, and adds some of his own thoughts and comment to them. Sandra Harmon's book on Scarpa Jr. called Mafia Son was way better.

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Originally Posted By: southend
Cheech what'd u grab, Last Days of the Sicilians? Good stuff



just finished, great book


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what mean gotti did the 302 ? and Junior Gotti didn't left life?
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The Godfather
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Gangster
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The Sicilian
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The Last Don
by Mario Puzo


Billy Bathgate
by E.L. Doctorow

Wiseguy
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Donnie Brasco
by Joseph D. Pistone

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THE MOB AND ME by former US Marshal John Partington. All about the start of the Witness Protection scheme and some of the earliest mobsters in it, like Joe Barboza and Vinnie Teresa.

Well worth a read.


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