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Please post you rreplies to my Godfather 4 script here? The topic is Godfather 4: The Lost Years
http://www.thegodfathertrilogy.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001266&p=

Post your replies here or PM me. Let me know of any discrepancies, or things you don't like, or won't work, and post any of your ideas here too. And YES this script will contain Vincent Mancini, but not till later on. Its somehwat Chronological with a few flashbacks. This is my first chapter i've got 5 already. Have Fun!

Hi!

Maranzano had nothing to do with Fanucci: the latter was a freelance collector. It's revealed pretty clearly by the novel.

Also, running to Abandando's home would be the worst young Vito could choose, as they'd be immediately suspected. He had to hide somewhere else; otherwise there'd be no Godfather, believe me.

Best regards.

Alexander

Yeah, i get the part about Fanucci and Maranzano, but wasn't it Signor Abbandando, Vito's uncle, who hid Vito and sent him to America?

I thought Signor Abbandando being Vito's uncle was part of your script - something you decided to put in because it helps tie things up

Also, I'm not quite sure what you were saying about Saveria Colombo; was she meant to be Carmella's sister? She looked a little old in the film to be her sister. And that would also make Vito Johnny's uncle (by marriage) as well as his godfather. Have I got this right?

[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: persiangodfather ]

Signor Oreste Abbandando is brother-in-law to Antonio Andolini. Antonio's sister Francesca is Oreste's wife. Genco and Vito are cousins. Am i still wrong?



Yeah, i'm saying that Carmella Colombo and Saveria Colombo were sisters, for the hell of it. Saveria's husband was (*) Fontane. (*) Fontane died, Johnny was Saveria's son.

I only got the nook recently, i don't know yet if it mentions Johnny's parents, if it does i'll think of something else.

Vito-Johnny = Micheal-MFRizzi
Father Fontaine-Vito=Micheal-Carlo

Get it. Mike was MF Rizzi's uncle AND Godfather. Also Andrew's hagen, uncle AND Godfther.

Cleared that up, okay?
:p

Yep

(although making Carmella and Salvera sisters is still pushing it. )

good script. keep it coming!

thanks, when i get to Johnny's parents in the book, i'l forget the whole Carmella-Colombo thing. Since Carmella is Colombo's childs godmother, and Amerigo Bonasera's daughter's god mother, does that mean that Vito is their Godfathers, or no?

Hi!



Yes, he was. Still, Vito had to spend a considerable time in the bush to avoid being found and killed immediately, I guess. And then, one night, he came to this house, hungry and thirsty, and they took pity of him. Or, better still, they found him somewhere and brought him in.

Or so it was.

Best regards.

Alexander

Three critics:

1) A very large part has been already seen in GF2
2) the parts that aren't don't fit.
3) It's not much of a story. Where's the danger? Where are the bad guys? It's like a soap opera which drives on the interhuman relationships: X gets married to Y, blabla...

I'll elaborate 2.

a) If the people who hide Vito came over to America, who visited Vito them in 19?? when he got rid of Ciccio
b) Maranzano did not deployed Fanucci. Maranzano let him work there. And Fanucci was a fraud.
c) Why would Maranzano cease his control over Little Italy after his collector is killed? He's as far as I know a big boy

So in short, it's a nice try, but I wouldn't advise you to charge in by FFC and present him your script.

Now how about some constructive critics? More suspense! Less scenes that are already known and perhaps another character. How about Antonio Andolini (hihi) or Vincent Corleone? Anthony perhaps, who changes his mind and a major fight between Anthony and Vincent?

These are all volatile ideas, and I don't intend on writing a script like you, Ricardo. But the main aspect of a good story is that it provokes that the audience asks questions.

In GF1: Shall the Don live? Is Michael coming in? Who shall be Don when Santino is dead? blabla
GF2: How did Vito become a Don? Who tried to assasinate Michael? What shall he do to Roth?
GF3: Who's gonna succeed Michael? Who killed all the Dons? Shall Michael be succesfull in taking over Immobiliare? Will he survice???

These are some of the questions I askes myself. A story should be a little mystery, of which the outcome isn't obvious. The outcome of your story we already know. We know many scenes and the action in between isn't that cunning/exciting/whatever.

Don't get mad, I'm only trying to help you.

I know what you guys mean, but give me a break tho, nobody else is trying this, and NO i'm not going to send it to FFC. I'm just leading up to what happens later. I guess my questions would be?

How did Vito go from Olive Oil manager to Mafia Don? What made Sonny join his father? What did Pentangelli and Altobello do before they popped up out of nowwhere? How did Clemenza die? How did the family and friends react AFTER Mary died? What did Vincent do after the opera? What happened before Micheal died? How did Tom die? How did Vito become godfather to Johnny Fontane? How did Tom join the family? How did Roth and Greene "make their bones"? How did Micheal go from new don of a New York family, to head of the Mafia NATIONALLY, in 2 years? Why is Luca Brasi so feared? How did Connie go from innocent young bride, to Vegas whore, to "Donness" Connie?

Basically, I took some of the questions from the FAQ and I'm attempting to solve them.

I'm not trying to imitate the early Gf2. But instead of skipping from 1902 to 1925 then 1955 then 1975 i thought i might add in a little so it wouldn't be SO confusing.

The main focus is supposed to be on these time people and eras: Antonio Andolini pre-1901, Vito Corleone 1892-1917, 1925-1944, Santino Corleone 1932-1944, Vincent Mancini 1947-1960, 1975-1997, Micheal Corleone 1955-1957, 1960-1977, 1981-1997, Hyman Roth and (Moe Greene) 1920-1957(1954), and Sicily 1892-1997.

And added for the hell of it: Pentangelli Brothers 1920-1957, Altobello 1920-1977, Peter Clemenza 1955-1957,

or would you guys prefer it goes from Vito in 1925-194o, and skips to Vincent in 1947-1997? 40 years of Vincent, OH NO! With a little Andolini in the beginning?

I agree most of the stuff now is filler, but we're starting to get into the new stuff now, we're in 1920's.

YAY, this post makes me a Capo! Now i can have people killed, "Make Way For The Bad Guy!"

interesting, interesting. always interesting to read someone else's take on the story and fill in the dots.

This is an ending I wrote for a GF4. The story flashes back from modern day Vincent to old day Sonny, Vito etc. Anyway, the modern story is that Vincent is offered a way back into narcotics.

A deal which could either secure his families security for ever, all ultimately destroy everything. He is told by the person who made the offer to call him with his decision...

The format will probably get all screwed up, but what the hay:

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DISSOLVE TO:

INT.VINCENTS HOUSE – DAY

The VIEW slowly tracks towards Vincent's office doors.

INT.VINCENTS OFFICE – CONTINUOUS

The VIEW tracks over old photos from the Corleone Family history. We see Vito posed with his three sons. Michael and Kay and their children. Sonny, Fredo, Mary, Mama and Tom. We remember the Corleone family as it once was and now what it's become.

VIEW on Vincent sitting alone behind his desk. He stares in deep thought at the telephone in front of him. The call he could make will change his families' future forever. Slowly, he clasps his hands, leans forward and stares directly at us. His eyes filled with sorrow and despair.

FADE TO BLACK.



nolegde

Oh, BTW. (Bit of a spoiler here). You know the ending of casino, with DeNiro staring right at us? Visualise that with Garcia, and you're almost there...

Minus the insanely large glases...



noledge

I love those glasses! Every time I watch Casino I wish I had a pair the same.
Sorry to go right off the subject but I could hardly start a new topic purely about De Niro's specs!

Thta's a good ending, if you want to continue into a godfather 5, the story HAS to end in 1997 when Micheal dies, and Vincent either retires/dies or is imprisoned. Maybe at Micheal's funeral Vincent could be assassinated!

Main Actors-
Antonio 1887-1901-Liotta
Vito-1901-1908-??
Vito from 1912 to 1925-Anthony Gounaris (Anthony in GF1)
Vito from 1925 till 1944-DeNiro
Sonny 1932-1944-Joe Mantegna
Micheal 1938-1944-James Gounaris (Anthony in Gf2)
Roth- 1920-1940??
Roth- 1940-1957??
Greene- 1920-1950-Pesci
Mike-1955-1957-Don Novello
Clemenza 1955-57- Paul Servino or Bruno Kirby
Hagen-1932-1944-Gianni Russo
Hagen-1955-57, 1960-1965-Franco Citti
Hagen-1965-1977-Duvall
Vincent-1967-77-
Vincent-1980-98-Garcia
Mike-1980-97-Pacino
Luca-1930-1945-Gastone Moschin(Fannucci)
Don Tommasino-1920-1944-Frank Sivero
Tommasino-1957-1978-Don Rickles
Mike-1960-1977-Carmine Caridi

And I cheer at the fact you are willing to share your script, but you asked for replies, we're giving them. These questions ARE good ones, but they don't appeal to me. I don't know how Altobello knows the family and to be honest, I don't give a f*ck. I can see such episodes at Neighbours, or Home and Away, Dallas,...

I want some bad guys, a plan and the bad guys killed. Not some story about Vito met Altobello on the market. Do you understand what I want to say?

Yes I do! But there's always been a sens of history and nostalgia associated with the godfather. I'll try to get more killing in. Luca'll be here soon don't worry! AL Capone is coming in too. I don't give a f*ck about altobello either, but it would be nice to know he didn't just pop up at a party when he was 80 years old.

This part of the story has everybody going :rolleyes: but soon i hope you'll be going and like traditional Godfather movies you'll be going ? But there'll be plenty of s later on.

Excellent! Excellent! Keep up the good work! (I love Luca (especially when he kills)). Luca is always good for some plotting...

You guys are going to love and FEAR Luca, after you read what he does to his enemies. I think Luca will finally get the FEAR FACTOR he deserves.

Accept this post as constructive criticism, this is not an attack.

First and foremost, will there be an actual script? This is just an outline.

Second - there is just way too much going on here. It doesn't need to be this tidy, everybody doesn't have to be connected. It is not "Six Degrees of Vito Corleone". I agree, it's okay for characters to come from "out of the blue".

In a word, convoluted.

What's Convoluted, and what do you mean by Six Degrees of Vito Corleone. This is an outline, after i finish I'll cut what you guys don't like, and make a script. I'm upto 1941, and I'm going to be starting the Vincent era this week, any ideas? I've got allies, but NO CLUE as to enemies of the Corleone Family. a little help?

Convoluted - as in, I can't find a major theme so far. I'm having trouble recognizing major characters vs. minor characters... etc...

Anyway, seeing as GF I, II and III did a fine job of identifying main and minor characters (and treating them as such) I don't see how introducing 'new' major characters enhances the plot/story. Of course, if you touch upon the Vincent regime, then yes, new characters are indeed necessary. Again, we don't need everyone to know everyone else - having second-tier characters from Parts I and II with nifty almost too-neat tie-in's to Vito's past just doesn't jive with me. FFC gave us enough backstory in the Sicily flashbacks, why add anything to that?

I talk too much...

Oh - by the way...

"They had his name changed to Vito Corleone for his further protection in case Ciccio had connections in America."

We know this isn't true.

Like I said I'll cut what you guys don't like when I'm finished. My first idea, was to show Vito being born in 1892, and his father Antonio's troubles lead to his death in 1901. Some GF2 flashbacks of Fanucci and Ciccio dying and such, then from 1925 to 1941, then GF1 flashbacks Mike kills the Turk and McCluskey, Sonny dies, then show Vincent being born in 1947, Cut to: 1970 Anthony is 18, and Tom is dying. Vincent enters the Fmaily under Zasa, who att his time is under Cicci, or someone else, GF3 flashbacks, Vinnie kills Zasa and Mosca, MAry dies, Mike cries, then some shit about Vinni in the 80's , and then Mike dies in 1997.

The theme is that Vito is the number 1 Don, and others try to stop him (Capone, Maranzano, irish, etc.) But he overcomes all obstacles. He has friends all over, and his influence stretches to Sicily. Vito, Luca, Sonny, Capone, and Roth are main characters. Other people are there now, to be there later you know what i mean? You know, Altobello helped kill Ciccio, so hes Connie godfather. People mess with Vito, Luca takes care of them. etc. The Capone Fmaily is important, they NEVER quit until they're ALL dead.

Why flashback to GF I? We've all seen GF I! Flashing back to that is lazy writing, if you ask me - we all know what happened.

As a fan of the Trilogy, my main areas of interest are Michael, Sonny, Fredo, Tom, Vito... the Family, as it were. I never gave thought to Vito's father or how Vito became Don Vito because in a restrained, lyrical way FFC showed us the change in Vito in the GF II sequence. Why try to reinvent the wheel? It seems you're falling into the trap many others have fallen into - rehashing points and scenes from previous installments attempting to shed some more light or insight. How about something new?

I'm sorry I am so harsh. I have a script going now, and I'm scared to death of subjecting it to hte kind of scrutiny I am now giving yours. I commend you for the brass balls. Lemme know if I can help in any way.

Excellent view and excellently written. You should become a screenplay writer or director one day. Pity it was very short. So what was the phone call about.....you've already got me gripped. Or haven't you figured that out yet?

I didn't mean flashback, I meant like 5 seconds, show Sonny being killed, and then the birth of his son, Vincent.

Contento does your script have anything to do with post-1980? I really have no clue what to as post-1980.

Post 1980:

My script (so far) takes place solely after Mary's death. We of course start with a huge Corleone family party, but something is amiss. I have some ideas, so definite plot devices. I'm trying to stay away from delving too far back into the family history.

I've got the Corleone Family, but NO enemies, i can't think of anybody who would be left.

New enemies could easily be the law, Chinese clans, Russian, Japanese, Asian....The list can go on.

Good idea!! In GF3, Vincent refers to this: after Zasa's out, these are gonna take over his business. Let's assume they did. Nice plot, a 'reconquista' by Vincent Corleone.

But then it's not a Mafia Family movie, It's just another secret agent, euroasian drug smuggling movie. Like Jackie Chan movies,they're basically all the same.

Use your imagination

What's got a war between the Italian Mafia and the Colombian Mafia to do with Jacky Chan and a secret agent? I don't see why that's the only logic conclusion?

maybe I'll satisfy Scarface, and Godfather fans, and have Vincent Mancini, and Tony Montana, take on the MARICONS!

I like the Colombians, and the chinese Mafia, for Vincent.

Also, I was glancing through the Sicilian in the store today, and realized that Michael, and Clemenza are in it, and there are other Andolinies, and giulianos, and maybe later I fi buty the book, I might add some pre-1950 things in.

Ricardo,

I'm going to try (from now on) not to be so critical. This is your baby, you call the shots. We can all appreciate the fact that you are actively soliciting feedback and criticism, so 'big ups' to you for that. So instead of attack mode, I will switch to idea mode. Here are two things you may want to think about and use for your Vincent angle...

A: There has to be an opening party of some magnitude. Vincent getting married, perhaps?
Or, depending on when you start the Vincent story (say, 1990 or so) Vincent may already be married and we may have a first communion for his child.

B: Vincent takes control of the old Corleone Family Compound. This brings everything full circle. Terrific opportunities for strong emotional moments (Michael, Connie) perhaps returning to visit Vincent. I can definitely see this.

Let me know if you'd like any help with the Vincent story. I think I may have what you are looking for.

There's a short dealie where Vincent's born in 1947, then next time we see him is 1960, age 13, he visits Uncle Mike for the first time. He meets Uncle tom, and such. I don't know what I'm going to do for an openeing party. Michael's birthday maybe. or maybe Theresa will die, and Tom and Sondra will marry. Maybe not. How about Vincent's 18th Birthday? As for pre-Vincent maybe Sonny and Sandra's wedding?

That's an excellent idea, some party. Is good to start with, to outline some people,... But one good advice, don't let it be Vincent's wedding.

I saw once in a Godfather movie marathon the 3 GF after each other. I guess it would be weird if the GF4 would be in it too, the last image of GF3 is Mary dieing, the first of GF4 Vincent getting married, would be a too big contrast.

I saw once in a Godfather movie marathon the 3 GF after each other. I guess it would be weird if the GF4 would be in it too, the last image of GF3 is Mary dieing, the first of GF4 Vincent getting married, would be a too big contrast.[/QB][/QUOTE]

I've never seen all 3 in a row, but going from Carlo's death to Antonio's funeral to Anthony's communion was ok.

Going from Ellis Isalnd to communion was AWESOme, Youngest Vito's song, into 50's band music.

I assume going from Pentangelli's bathtub, to church 20 years later, would be unrealistic, tho.

Going from Vito's birth, to the Sicilian vacation in 1925, to Vincent's birth in 1947, to Clemenza's death in 1957, to vincent and Mike in 1960, to Mary's funeral might me be ok? The party WON'T be the funeral. I don't there will be a funeral for mary.

Ok, guys and gals, what do you think.

In the 1960's, Michael and Castro become friends. Boston don orders hit on Castro. Michael is driving with Castro and gets fired at. They both survive. Its disguised as a Castro hit. But Mike doesn't believe it. he finds out Chicago, Boston, and Barzini Junior are involved. Two meetings of La Cosa Nostra. JFK is murdered, by NO Don. FBI finds out Mike and other dons met with NO Don 1 month before hit. They all go on trial. Michael killes the other Dons, eliminates witnesses, goes free. Mike murders the Boston Don and friends. Mike becomes Capo de Tutti Capi. Cicci, Rosatos, and others get knocked off. New 5 families. Hagen starts a lawfirm.

70's and 80's- I'm not there yet.

I assume going from Pentangelli's bathtub, to church 20 years later, would be unrealistic, tho.

Going from Vito's birth, to the Sicilian vacation in 1925, to Vincent's birth in 1947, to Clemenza's death in 1957, to vincent and Mike in 1960, to Mary's funeral might me be ok? The party WON'T be the funeral. I don't there will be a funeral for mary.[/QB][/QUOTE]

In the trilogy,Saga or whatever, Is there ANYTHING between the fredo, Roth, pentangelli hits, and the church ceremony in 1970? Other than than the normal endings and beginnings. Mike sits in chair at end of Gf2, and Mike reads letter to Mary, and Anthony beginning of GF3.

It's gotta be HILARIOUS going from Pentangelli's bloody bathtub, to OLD Mike getting honored at church 20 years later!

Cheers Turi, very encouraging as thats my main goal in life to become a film director/script writer... Anyway, this was an ending I suddenly thought up after writing my outline for college on a GF4. The basic storyline was cut between (like GF2) modern day Vincent and old school Sonny, Vito etc...

Anyroad, the Vincent storyline goes something like Vincent has acheived total legitimacey etc etc, but is offered a way back into narcotics and organised crime. This big time guy (not quite sure who) tells Vincent to ring him with his answer. "I want your answrer by noon tomorrow" sort of speak.... A bit cheesy I know, but I've got this scene so visually played out in my mind I just had to write it...

So, Vincent ain't quite sure what to do... Should he drag his Family back into the world Mike tried to escape for so long? Anyway one day after watching Casino the night before, I simply felt that this was just such a perfect ending for a GF4, as the viewer will never know which way Vincent is going to go. People would think that if Vincent said 'no', then that eould be the final end to everything. But if he says 'yes', then whole cycle will start again... A 'quiet, moving and thoughtful cliff hanger'...

Anyway, as Mario Puzo once said "I just sat down writing it"... I might go back and finish the rest of the script for the modern day story, as I absolutely hate adapting other people work, as you are always limited to your creativity... It's like, if I ever become a film director, I really wouldn't like to make a film based on a screenplay that wasn't mine, I just wouldn't know where to begin...



noledge

Sounds great. Picture this Vincent Mancini slept with Grace Hamilton. Dominic Abbandando made a reference to her going "staying upstairs:. It made me think that Dom and Grace were "involved." After Mary dies, Grace has a son. Everybody thinks it's Dom's son. But Grace tells Vincent it's HIS son. It's Dom's only son, and the only survivor of the Abbandando clan. Dom finds out it's Vincent's son, and goes to Mike for revenge. Mike doesn't want to get involved, DOm and Vin get ina scuffle. Vincent has Dom killed. Since Grace's son ISN'T DOm's the great, long, historic Abbandando name is extinct. Mike is angry with Vincent. Mike just killed his brother, he didn't wipe out the WHOLE FAMILY. He orders Neri to hit, Vin. Neri doesn't, Neri is a traitor. Mike tells them both to go "f___ themselves" and leaves Crime for good, and lives in Sicily with Anthony. Vin orders a hit on Mike, but kills Anthony. Mike's bodyguard (maybe Calo) kills Neri and Vin. Mike lives rest of life in Sicily, all alone!

Oh yeah, then he dies.

or alternate ending. Michael falls out of chair and is picked up by martians. They clone him, and regenerate Mary and Anthony, and make Mike 40 years younger. They regenerate Vito, Sonny, Fredo, Connie, Carmella, and all the kids. Then GF starts all over again with new actors. EXCEPT it is a Clemenza, Tessio, Hagen, Fontane, Neri, Genco, Brasi, Carlo, Pentangelli, Roth, Altobello, Luchesi, Zasa, Five Families-less Godfather. Just f___ing around.

I'm back and I'll be uploading my new pages today. So check back on the webdomain site. I'm going to put the date of the last update on each page, in case i go back and change anything, okay?

Do you guys think Mike would have had Tom killed?

shit, i think i just deleted My Godfather:Lost Years Topic. Oh well, post your replies here. i need feedback. Now that there'sa Gf4 forum, maybe more people will read in.

Would you guys rather have me write the stroy and show it to you while i'm writing it. Or tell you guys the plot, and keep the story to myself, then i can surprise you later with a script after i write the synopsis. ? Know what i mean? http://www.dreamwater.net/zglo/GF41.htm

I'm starting to hate dreamwater, frequent sign-in problems, failed uploads and such. It's hard getting back to work ona story after ignoring it for two weeks!

It would be great if you could show it to us while you write it Ricard.

Sure thing Guinea, click HERE!

Ricardo...what have you done to yourself...New Hair Do?

More like a new face restructuring.I hope he spent his money well.

Sorry Guys, 2pac was on the ru from the 5-0 so Sophia's here to stay, ahven't hear many GF3 complaints lately!

Hopefully, a certian Bonanno won't ruin this post!

What do the newbies think of my story!?