Why are the Rizzutos so alligned with black gangs?

John Gotti wouldnt have approved of this. He honestly would have thrown up.

Why are the Rizzutos so different?

Cuz its montreal.

And New York families been close with black gangs also.

It's a different environment. Montreal is a different landscape from NY. You can't compare them.

Yeah New York is a BIG city with the same population as the province of Quebec.
So New York is different.

Totally different operation and city. They got along for years and made a killing.

Guess Italians in Canada are far less likely to be racist compared to Italian Americans in the United States. Maybe its their socialist culture up there. For example there were Italian pall bearers for the black gang banger who got killed up in Montreal. That would NEVER happen in the United States. Can you picture John Gotti having his men carry a gang bangers casket no matter the circumstance? It would never happen, that is a guarantee!!!

Lets be honest and clear here...

Most mob guys in America do not like blacks especially ones in gangs. Gotti was openly against that culture and was proud to be so. Let me tell you its not like he's the only Italian guy either who hates them with a passion.

What gang banger had Italians as pallbearers?

Look at this, all Italian men carrying a casket. Now you tell me if Gotti would have done that? NO FUCKIN WAY ....

https://gangsterreport.com/rizzuto-...ecent-spate-of-violence-in-montreal-war/

Lol you mean the funeral workers whose job it is?

Hopefully thats who it is.

Those are just people working at the funeral home.
All this because of this picture ???? LOL

Why hopefully? Maybe the only racist is you Rush.

Against that culture of ghetto goons? Yes absolutely.

Now on the other hand, go ask my best friend in college what color he was. He was his class president and I welcomed him with open arms to be my friend.

A winner in life and great role model.

So John Gotti is a great role model and a winner in life ?

I never said that. All Im saying is that I agree with him on a certain group of people as it has nothing to do with color. Color doesn't identify the culture you are involved with or promote.

I hate the Aryan brotherhood as well.

Then why title it black gangs if color has nothing to do with it? not the trust time you've made some racist ass comments and try backtracking when it's brought up.

Because it specifies the specific culture that they are involved with.

They are criminals and only think to made money! John Gotti was a fucking racist and today Cosa Nostra had more ties with black hangs because they have more power on the streets and men that can kill anyone for few bucks,ask Zottola.

NY wiseguys have plenty of connections with African American gangsters. In 2010 the New Jersey faction of the Lucchese crime family was involved in a racket together with a faction of the Bloods gang. The Genovese had ties to Harlem gangsters all the way back in the 50's. These kind of ties go way back.

For sure there are wiseguys in NYC that like some of their African American, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Jamaican, Albanian, Russian, Irish, Jewish, etc...associates better than some of their Italian American colleagues from their own family.

At the end of the day, the only color that actually matters is green.

So you are saying that Gotti was a minority when it came to his feelings? BTW I highly doubt that as many guys from that generation openly hated guys who were black and low life scumbags. This is why their daughters would never ever date a black guy and their sons wouldn't ever think of dating a black girl. It was forbidden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If any of his crew would have associated with the people he hated he would have had them whacked as well. Even in the movie Goodfellas they talk about how much they hate them and that is based on how it was in real life. Not really sure why the new generation is o open to dealing with these people. You are not talking about good people here. Why the fuck would you assocaite with people who are going to more than likely rat on you to save their own ass? Black criminals will fuck you over in a second, that is a fact.

Its very confusing as to why the younger generation in todays LCN dresses like they are a ghetto black hoodlum rapper. Fuckin Joke to be honest with you that they idolize these pieces of shit. There grandfathers would have put a bullet in their fuckin head for being so fucking stupid. Do not try to justify their actions, as they are bullshit. You know it, I know it.

I admire John Gotti, but I sure as fuck don't admire Peter Pan that is for sure. If he's the future of LCN then its fucked that is for sure.

The most dysfunctional "organized crime" groups are black groups. In fact, they are so disorganized that it's even a challenge to file their activities under the organized crime umbrella. They have never been able to organize or establish a sophisticated unit that lasted for a significant amount of time. All you need to do is look at the Bloods and the Crips. I am very familiar with their history in Los Angeles and their lack of progress as criminals. There are no gangbangers who are millionaires. That is not to say that you don't have powerful individuals who are affiliated with them or a particular set. You have your Suge Knights and your Harry-Os, but even they try to limit their interactions with that world. You are not a racist for pointing out facts! There's plenty of smart black people around, but you won't find them throwing up gang signs.

Bro STFU, you’re weird

Correct, and I'm glad you understand my logic. I do not understand why any organized crime group would want to associate with these people let alone dress like them. Wow, just wow. I am fucking mind blown on this bullshit that is happening today.

Gotti had junkies doing hits for him !!!

That is a topic for another day.

Given how much experience blacks have with crime, you would think they'd do a little better. That's not the case though

Agreed.

Clearly you & Rush have a bias and needs to be cleared up. I have been posting Black Underworld topics since 2012. Literally going on 12+ years now. So your either go through my posts about and actually learn something new ( recent ex: $550 million fraud scheme by a Crip in CA prison) or stop these posts about Mobsters networking with Black crime groups since i doubt yall can tell a Jamaican, Haitian, Afro American apart. This been going for decades, all these scumbags care about is money.

They deal with eachother because it's all about money in Montreal allies are important.

A Crip in prison LOL

You are funny. As far as mob guys collaborating with black gangs or even black individuals, it is quite rare overall. You might find some form of it in Montreal or even in New York, but the overwhelming majority of Italian-American wiseguys absolutely despise black criminals. All you need to do is listen to some wiretaps that have been made public

I remember when Sammy Gravano first came out of prison in 1995, he talked about this. Do you know how Staten Island reacted to his own daughter having a child with her black boyfriend? Yes, Karen Gravano has also gone on record about how blacks are viewed in those circles. Later of course Sammy changed his tune because he wanted to get into the good graces of some black podcasters. When John Gotti said to his grandson and I quote "Being a ni--er is an embarrassment" he was echoing every mob guy out there. They absolutely despise blacks. This is not my bias. John Gotti said this.

All you need to do is look at the facts. There really is no black organized crime. There is just black disorganized crime. I know you'll probably try to bring up the Shower Posse or some drug organizations that barely lasted longer than five minutes, but there's nothing they've put together that comes even close to the Italians, the Mexicans, the Colombians, the Russians, you just name it.

What about Big Meech and the black mafia family? They are avtive from the 1980s and made milions with the coke traffick.

Meech and Terry were almost an exception to the rule. I'm actually being generous when I say that because when you look at the way Meech was moving, you can't help but shake your head. Those guys would go into strip clubs and spend a million dollars. You don't think Meech would've lasted longer if he had toned down his excessive ways? Terry was smarter, but even he couldn't talk sense into his brother

In my opinion,who grown on the streets in extreme poverty simply think to enjoy the money because know that he would die in prison. While the old mafiosi was educated to live and made bussinesses in the shadow.
The italians or the cartels understood that mist be organizated,have a clear hierarchy for run transnational crimes while the black before Frank Lucas controlled the black hoods but nothing more but as you said are only exceptions.
Like in the Wire when the cops don't believe that Barksdale organization was so sofisticated.

Camorra and nigerian mafia
Lucky luciano and bumpy johnson
Joe Gallo and Nicky Barnes
Joey Merlino and JBM

The Italian Mafia is the most sophisticated organized crime group in history.
If they’re is an opportunity to make money, they will go for it, even if its with black guys

No black organized crime groups ?

You got Memphis, an american city with heavyweight on the criminal world (blacks)

The countries of Nigeria, South Africa, Jamaica, Kenya, Ghana, Suriname, Haiti amd many others got some black organized crime groups or politicians or elites that you could look at them as organized crime groups

Whoever wrote this OP doesn't even really understand Organized Crime.

He doesn't understand that these unorganized Montreal gangs beginning around 2010(?) Or so were charged with Gangsterism in Canada. Unless I'm mistaken, this is what they charge the Italians with.
It's similar ti Nigerians in Italy being charged with Mafia association...

I read an article about nazi gang members where arrested because was selling dope but was caught collaborating with black gangsters. I cant find it but anyway as killingjoke said the real important color is the green.

I never realized how small of a city Montreal is. Not even as big as Kansas City when it comes to population.

If the Rizzutos went to war with any of the Crime families in New York they would get their ass handed to them. They can keep their black goons and enjoy their pointless relationship that means nothing to America.

You should go recheck your infos.

Montreal is bigger than Kansas City… smh

Kansas city population of 500k hab
And metro area it goes to 2.4 M hab

Montreal population of 1.8 M hab
Metro area it goes to 4.3 M hab

Can’t even read numbers smh

Perhaps it’s as simple as he could make money with them and no one else was leveraging that revenue stream?

The Crip in prison is again a recent example. Literally since the 80s to present there have been numerous citywide to regional drug distrubution networks amongst LA & Chicago street gangs from retail to midlevel/wholesale level.*

Apparently the fact that the Montreal,Toronto, NYC, NJ, PA, & Chicago mobsters and associates clearly collobarates with Black racketeers despite bigotry existing in both underworlds. All this talk about personal dislike certainly doesn't carry over to business.

If there was no Black OC then the FBI/DEA/ATF must be having a hard time figuring out how that La Cosa Nostra, Drug Cartels, Asian OC, Middle Eastern OC, Russian OC, Albanian OC, Armenian OC are doing business with various Afro crime groups. Your statement means your completely ignorant to real life underworld cases or your new to real life underworld networks. If the latter, read my posts on the Black underworld. I'l start you off with HIDTA ( High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas) annual reports in which it list the number of DTOs investigated and dismantled and it's characteristics. From Wholesale to retail level crime groups involved in a myriad of activities. Black DTOs are in the hundreds nationwide at the WHOLESALE level with various influence depending where you looking. This is to say that the Flenorysl Brothers ( aka BMF) isn't a rare case and that there are many operating at their level. Heck just look at Detroit metro: "Black DTOs are the majority of wholesale distrubutors"
Certainly more than a 5 mins operations going on. I strongly recommend you remove your bias before making statements on other groups your not familiar with.

Do you believe that the black gangs are aware that the Italians they do business with think they are pieces of shit outside of business??? Honest answer please.

The same Gotti also had to kiss the ass of a few rednecks, hillbillies and trailer trash in the Aryan Brotherhood to avoid getting shanked in prison. So I don't think even he - a notoriously powerful boss of arguably the second most powerful criminal organization in the country - at one time was in the position to look down on anyone.

If you make a shitload of money from any racket, it's safe to say you have been committing crime in at least some kind of organized manner. And there are plenty of black gang members who run drug operations that generate a shitload of money.

Don't forget that in LCN families - still probably regarded as the most organized crime can get - there are quite a few members that are barely capable of running a decent racket. The Genovese family has two soldiers whose best known hustle is selling illegal firework to high school kids and they've been known for doing so since the 80's. I'm willing to bet there are old boys up in the Appalachians that are making more money selling oxy and meth than those two make from selling some stolen firework.
In Philly a made man got busted in a drug case involving a childlike size of narcotics with a white boy Eminem wannabe as his supplier.

I know for a fact that in the Netherlands there are black Surinamese and Curaçaoan crews involved in bringing in tons of cocaine. These kind of operations can most definitely be regarded as organized crime.

Claiming that there's no such thing as black organized crime groups and that basically 99% of black guys involved in crime are petty bums is biased bs. And if any of you choose to die in that hill, you can suit yourself, it's still a free world in the West. But I'm still gonna think that's nothing but biased bs.

Do you believe that the black gangs are aware that the Italians they do business with think they are pieces of shit outside of business??? Honest answer please.
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They don't care and view them in the same manner. A Black racketeer from New York called them " overrated penny pinchers". No amount of personal diagolue of bigotry is going stop other italians from going "let's get money".

LOL . Montreal gave New York the middle finger in the early 2000's and what did NY do... Nothing. Rizzuto organization lets not forgot was taken down by a NY Rat. How many NY families were on a commission to build a bridge back in the homeland with mafiosi from those areas....0 . NY are little boys compared to MTL.., stop living in the past , NY Mafia is dead , there are no more Luciani and other famous mobsters . Rizzutto's were importing tons of coke . NY families in the last 40 years all full of rats. So dont compare NY vs MTL , its an insult!

Gregory Wooley was more a man of honor then most mobsters nowadays

Well said Gambler007.
You also have the snitches like Sammy Gravano for example on the loose and nothing happens to them.
You have the mobsters housewives shows and the Gotti's on TV making a mockery of the NY mafia. It has become a joke.

Furthermore the Ndrangheta families in Canada have become more powerful than the NY mafia's. The secret to the Ndrangheta's success around the world is simple. They will do business with anyone no matter what origin they are. They are only interested in making money. Making bias remarks is futile, no matter if you are a Mafia, MC biker or a Street gang member, they are all criminals who care about themselves only. Neither of them are any better than the other.

Montreal is like NY in the 1970s! No Rico,short sentences for drug traffick or murder and active links with the Sicily or the Calabria.If the Canada would approve a law like the RICO the numbers of rats will grow.

i'm not agree with that, i dont know how many members has the ndrangheta in canada, but sure far less than NY families

Fair enough but I maintain my stand.

If that were true then why are there far less snitches from the Ndrangheta vs the Mafia in Italy. Their laws are just as strict.

I think because the mafia was hit very hard since the early 90s while the ndrangheta only later and then because in the ndrangheta family ties are stronger

Look I don't give a fuck what anyone says. No way the Rizzutos are able to take on NYC when they have way more soldiers and associates.

If NYC was serious and wanted to wage war, the Rizzutos would stand no chance. I understand they have ties to Italy and we all know on here that Italy is very powerful.

What are they gonna do? Fly in people from Italy to take on NYC if a hypothetical situation came up where they went to war? Give me a fuckin break.

Hypothetically maybe, but this isn't the Sopranos. In reality, the mafia doesn't kill people anymore in the US. Too risky with the heavier penalties I've said this before. With the Meldish hit, they got the shooter, the driver, the guy who passed the message, and guy who gave the order. In Canada, they get the street gang member who carried out the hit and NOBODY else.

. What is NY going to do send another Salvatore Montagna. LOL

Exactly. Thats why I used the word Hypothetical.

WE all know a war between Canada and the US is not gonna happen when it comes to organized crime.

Also the Rizzutos have ties back to Italy and do business with us here in the United States so a war would be pointless and stupid.

I never said they were petty bums, but you won't see any gangbangers rise to become boardroom gangsters. They don't have them. I think there's a lot of bright black people around, but they aren't joining the Crips or the Bloods. The smartest man I know happens to be black. He's an attorney, a man who finds the gang culture absolutely ridiculous, and I do believe that the culture has hurt them more than anything.

Honestly not to sound too harsh, but the majority of gang members from the inner city are the offspring of crack addict mothers. Very very low IQ individuals who are pretty much mentally retarded.

Sorry its just reality. These pieces of shit are the product of multiple generations of fucked up individuals having kids with multiple baby daddies who are drug dealers, gang members or drug addicts themselves.

Many of them are lol

Even most of the shotcallers in Compton and SC aren't what you would call smart people. They might have some level of street smarts, but it's not enough to impress anyone who has studied the careers of people like Accardo or Lansky

Can't even read at a 3rd grade level. Pathetic.

Most Blacks end up in Prison or dead it's just the way it is lol, but there are also smart ones who avoid that shit.

You were doing so good until you said the smartest person you know is black

Tha´t has nothing to do with smarts. They just got lucky

LOL! So true Ralphie. I can't stand them in general they are just a bunch of scumbags. Their entire culture is shit.

Older blacks even vomit when it comes to these people. They are emberassed at how pathetic they are.

I do agree that some kind of street gang culture in the long run isn't productive for any community. There are plenty of kids that could've gone on to do bigger and better things with their life, but were lost to a repressive environment and the often senseless and useless violence that comes along with it.

At the very least I hope you're talking about street gang members and not about African American people in general. Because if that's the way you feel about an entire community of your countrymen - who by the way, if you're for instance an Italian American, have been an American community for a longer time than you have been - then I honestly feel sorry for you.

We can disagree about things all we like, but if you immediately judge a man solely by the color of his skin, his religion or the community he was born into and not by his deeds...you have a lot of growing up to do.

I used the word culture for a reason. To identify who I was describing.

Has nothing to do with color at all. Remember one of my best friends in college was a black man.

Alright, in that case I misunderstood your message. My apologies.

I can totally understand the disdain for petty criminals that produce nothing and are just out there to abuse. I however also try to remind myself of the fact that it's their own community they hurt and destroy the most. As someone from outside their community, they may annoy me, but at the end of the day it's merely annoyance. It's their own community - and to me it doesn't matter which community anarchy-driven lowlives are from - that receives the most damage. It's a sad reality. There are plenty of black, but also white, Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern,...you name it...people out there who deserve far better than they're getting. And then there are lots and lots of people who have been given everything that don't even deserve a fraction of what they've gotten handed to them.

How was terry smarter when feds had nothing on meech. Not illegal to spend money they went down due to terrys recklessness on the phone speaking freely as if he wasn’t a drug kingpin

How was terry smarter when feds had nothing on meech. Not illegal to spend money they went down due to terrys recklessness on the phone speaking freely as if he wasn’t a drug kingpin

I never said Terry was a genius, but it was Meech's extravagant lifestyle that put them on the radar of law enforcement. Terry's big mouth didn't help. However, what ultimately buried them were the cooperators