Bonanno Don “Mikey Nose” at war w/Cammarano bros

GR Sources: Bonanno Don “Mikey Nose” Trying To Kill Cammarano Bros., As Shelved Soldiers Dodge Shootings, Firebombing In NYC

https://gangsterreport.com/gr-sourc...iers-dodge-shootings-firebombing-in-nyc/

January 30, 2023 — The inevitable is happening. Per multiple sources, the Cammarano brothers are currently under attack, taking gun fire and fighting for their lives on orders of Bonanno crime family boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso, fallout from the July 2022 funeral-parlor brawl between the Cammaranos and three Mancuso henchmen that left the trio of Bonanno made men bloodied and battered and Mancuso’s ego badly bruised.

Feeling like he needs to save face, Mancuso has murder contracts on the heads of shelved Bonanno soldiers Joe Cammarano, Jr. and Dino Cammarano actively trying to be carried out by his most trusted underlings, three separate sources claim.

Wow a mob war in 2023. For sure somebody will flip.

Damn was it a New Year's resolution for LCN to start killing again in 2023?

It’s much needed. Been way too long since the last one!

I don’t have access to Scott’s site so I didn’t read the article for the specifics. If this is true (and not yet another one of Scott’s typically over exaggerated clickbait pieces) it is all so dumb.

Mancuso should just get rid of JC quietly, perhaps contracting it out to some button out of Montreal. These alleged “firebombings” will bring more “heat” than the fire itself.

There were NO firebombings that have been reported in NYC. And certainly none that could be attributed to the mob. And IMO, even "if" such rumors are out there, (which is debatable, in and or itself), these are false rumors. 100%!...End of story!

Scott is a new LE mouthpiece and now it appears fabulist. He should have continued reporting Michigan-related OC in Detroit where there is some credibility given to his column.

Because he can fall back on this is what my source said and if you ask who he can fall back on saying it's confidential.

If there would've been any serious attempt on any of the two Cammarano's lives, it probably would've been all over the news already. The media usually makes a huge deal out of a firebombing.

How can Scott seriously think he can get away with this crap?

One thing is making unprovable stuff about the mob claiming a “source” told him so. I still don’t like that but at least I don’t feel fully fooled.

A whole different thing is implying that there have been something as serious a firebombing or an attempt (in NYC of all places!) and thinking that no one will ask questions or even check the local news.

Does he have an addiction problem?

The last bonannos murder was Palazzolo in 2004,who know if Mancuso have a stand guys to kill them.

Anthony Seccafico in 2009 was the last Bonanno murder.

So let me get this straight, you got rats living out in the open and making fun of the mob with their YouTube channels, yet they're shelving and ordering hits on guys who haven't ratted? That makes a lot of sense.

No matter if the story is exaggerated or not, we all know Mancuso is indeed out for revenge. He's old school and fucking ruthless as they come in todays mob world.

If there is a guy to seek revenge through violence its Mancuso. You cannot disagree with that.

No reason to go after rats since the damage is done and they’re basically civilians. Some are still federally protected so the Govt. will look terrible if a rat gets killed. The backlash and federal wrath would be massive.

Violence against other criminals (even on a shelf, Cammarano is not a civilian) makes much more sense. It’s still a crime but the Govt. won’t look inept if it didn’t prevent it. The feds would still investigate it but their reputation won’t be tainted if they don’t solve it: see the Rocco Maniscalco and the Seccafico murders.

If what I read about the funeral home incident is true I’d certainly want to retaliate in a way or another if I were Mancuso.

Mancuso will make sure they get what they deserve. That is a fuckin Guarantee! Bloodshed will be had by the pussies who did what they did and I will be glad when it happens!

possible bonanno factions 2023
-a quick list to show possible members of "possible" rival factions if we are to believe parts of the burnstein story above.

a couple questions first...
1.cammarano jr. was the official UB before he was shelved?
2.zancocchio was the official consigliere before he was shelved?
3.joseph grimaldi was a capo before he was shelved?
4.the above 3 are all still on the shelf and demoted to soldier march 2019?
5.where would any of the other families line up in this alleged upcoming mess. is there any respect from family leaders for MANCUSO? for CAMMARANO JR.?

MANCUSO faction 2023
BOSS
1.MICHAEL MANCUSO

STREET BOSS
2.JOHN PALAZZOLO
-has been in this position since 2019.
-not aware of close associates who aide him on the street. he is in his 80's i would think hes got a small crew.

CONSIGLIERE
3.VINCENT BADALAMENTI
-there is dispute as to whether badalamenti holds this position but if not him who? either way he appears to be a close allie of MANCUSO and a high ranking member.
-possible badalamenti is still capo currently acting as consigliere.

4.giuseppe bosco
-possible he is now capo of badalamenti crew or of his own.

capos
5.ernest aiello
6.john sciremammano
7.thomas difiore
-former AB,UB and capo. was MANCUSO'S first AB. not sure of current position or if still active.
8.john j. spirito sr.
-i can only assume he is now a capo or possible official UB. sr. must hold a high position considering how his son jr. behaves.

soldiers
9.john spirito jr.
10.enzo stagno
11.frank salerno
-nephew to MANCUSO. indicted in 2017 with gambino capo john ambrosio.
12.vincent caroleo
-badalamenti crew member possible acting capo.

CAMMARANO JR. faction 2023
LEADER
1.JOSEPH CAMMARANO JR.
-former AB,UB and capo. shelved since march 2019.

2.dino cammarano (brother)
-no info that he is soldier. as associate is "link" to crazy pistons biker club.
-further to the biker club the crazy pistons do not appear to be a criminally active club like others in NY. this could all be false considering the charity and good PR work other clubs like the HA have done elsewhere. i couldnt find any info of criminal activity by the club or for that matter of an alliance with other biker mc's.

3.joseph grimaldi (brother-in-law)
-former capo. shelved since march 2019.

4.john zancocchio
-former consigliere. shelved since march 2019.

5.arthur tarzia (sabella crew) acting capo?
6.natale mule (grimaldi crew) acting capo?

-i can only assume there is more allied with CAMMARANO JR. that we are not aware of.
-there also is the possibility of support coming to other capos not involved with any of this. so there exists the possibility that a 3rd un aligned faction who want nothing to do with this beef but who are willing to step up and lead family when this all comes to a head.
-finally i realize this very post is very speculative not as much however as the burnstein article. to agree with some of the above what fire bombings?

Nice list Vito, but don't waste your time pal. Because there isn't going to be any war, shootings, fire-bombings, beatings, or anything else. Lol. Do certain people wish Mancuso was not there? Is there a certain amount of factionalism? Naturally. Like always. All I will say is...don't believe the hype. I don't know who these "alleged" "sources" are, but these stories are not factual.

And THAT, you can take to the bank!

Are you a mobster? What do you do?

is that question for me or ny mafia?
i only posted because rumors of this have been around since the 2019 shelving of cammarano jr. et al.
there is also the matter of mancuso still being on bail for parole violation. if he is guilty of the violation what kind of time is he looking to serve if sent back? and who gets elevated to the big chair? palazzolo? badalamenti? spirito sr?

It was for NY Mafia. He seems like he’s highly connected.

VitoCahill

1. Cammarano was the Underboss and Acting Boss
2. Zancocchio was the Consigliere
3. Joe Grimaldi was a Captain
4. We haven't really had an update since it came out these guys got shelved. There's been nothing on Joe Grimaldi in any of the recent updates like the funeral fight. Gangland News article made it sound like Vito Grimaldi was still shelved when he died last year so the rest probably are too.
5. Mancuso was dealing with the Colombos in 2020 before their big indictment and had dealings with the Genovese before some of them were indicted last year. Meaning they most likely recognize him. Cammarano is popular but as the saying goes the boss is the boss. If the report of Mancuso targeting the Cammarano's is true and the situation devolves farther I could see some back room deals taking place to remove Mancuso. That's a big if though.

I think your list for who's on who's side is pretty accurate but Bosco is still shelved and Stagno probably is too. Stagno is out making short films on YouTube pretending to be a cowboy now.

Gangster report might be right saying Cammarano is alone right now. I really don't know who'd be supporting him currently. Joe C, Dino, Joe Grimaldi, Zancocchio all shelved. Who knows who took over the Grimaldi crews. Alphonse DiPilato might be shelved too or retired because he's living out in Arizona now, Joe Sabella is in jail still but Arthur Tarzia is still on the street so maybe they support Cammarano still. For possible supporters the Pipitone crew is under indictment and the Asaro crew might be with Mancuso or neutral and Jerome is in jail currently.


When Mancuso goes back to prison for his parole violations it'll only be for 5-11 months

dang thanks mafia101, true to yer handle.
there is a question also about where the gambino,genovese and lucchese stack up in all this and sorry if i'm repeating myself. there was rumor that matthew madonna never recognized mancuso as boss. seems like a mute point now as madonna is jailed for life. was this a lucchese wide belief shared by most in the family? or did that disrespect stem from madonna and mancuso's days in the old purple gang?

do desantis and dellorusso share the same opinion of mancuso? or is this a bronx faction of lucchese not recognizing mancuso?

You should watch John Pennisi's last 2 videos. He goes over what led to Madonna making the statement he doesn't recognize Mancuso. Long story short it's over Mancuso writing letters from jail to Joey Lubrano's ex wife who was dating Mancuso then dated Michael Meldish and to Meldish's wife. Doesn't say if the Luccheses now recognize him or what.

Not sure if you missed it in my other post but Mancuso did have dealings with Genovese member Ralph Balsamo in the last 2-3 years so in my opinion that shows they recognize him. If Barney doesn't I doubt one of his best friends would be meeting with him. The Gambino's opinion on Mancuso is basically the last unknown but Mancuso is the boss and the boss is the boss so why wouldn't they.

? Only a couple of associates were roughed up. John Jr is still leading the retention squad. Joe C is shelved, but there are still guys paying their respects to him, which has been pissing off Mancuso and company. Since Joe C been shelved, guys have felt they are being sucked dry. There is supposedly a shelved club where some of the those shelved in the family meet once a week. I have said it before and I will say it again, if Mancuso ordered a hit, it will be from Staten Island (Sabella crew is split mainly between Brooklyn and Staten Island). DiPilato is retired. If Mancuso is really gunning for Joe C, then regardless of shelved or not, Joe C can reach out to the other families and plead his case of Mancuso trying to kill him. We will see how things play out.

The hit must be carried out no questions asked if Mancuso ordered it. So if he wants to go to prison over it maybe he’s comfortable with that. He’s a celebrity in there anyway.

I believe being a do not fuck with me gangster is something he’d rather live with than being a boss who lets guys walk all over his family. I hope those guys thought it was worth it to jump his crew at the funeral. They will be paying with their lives. End of discussion!

I dont agree with Mancuso thing at the funeral but in the end MC Club or not you cant touch a made guy.

I wouldn’t put it past Mancuso cutting their heads off and dropping them off at their social club with their cocks in their mouth. The guy is no one to fuck with.

Do we know who Dinos boys are affiliated with are they patched over by the HA or the Pagans by chance?

The club is the Crazy Pistons. They're not a 1%er club

Mancuso has some audacity you gotta give him that....longevity is the name of the game tho...if i hsd to choose a side im siding with Mancuso....fuck do i look like siding with a guy who is on the shelf if im still on the street.....way i see it atleast....i got more problems ahead if i side with Joe C.

They should've never been shelved in the first place, they were valuable assets.

They're lucky they only got shelved. If Cammarano and Zancocchio pulled the shit they did back in the 90s they would've been killed

The politics being discussed are struggle for control for the top of the family and for final legacy for all these oldest active guys at the top...if the shelved guys do actually constitute a dangerous faction then it could come down to what the other families...maybe the west side most...think of the men being discussed, how classy they are and how much and who stands to gain from this outcome..either way. If you put 5-10 dangerous gangsters at the top of a family faction in their 60s-80's under pressure and start calling them shelved it could turn out to all come down to who has young guys willing to shoot for them...there seems to be too many respected guys on the underdog/deposed list to write them off as not being potentially extremely dangeous...if the old guys on the now-currently-out list really just don't give a fuck and the rank and file of the family felt a better earn under them them then this is still a fun story.

Up To His Nose In Chaos: NY Mob Chief Mancuso On Outs With Other Big Apple Dons For Refusing To Relent In Quest For Vengeance

https://gangsterreport.com/up-to-hi...fusing-to-relent-in-quest-for-vengeance/

January 31, 2023 — Bonanno crime family boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso isn’t winning any popularity contests these days in the upper echelons of the New York mafia. And it’s effecting profit margins, per sources.

Mikey Nose is “radioactive” in the minds of the bosses of New York’s other Five Families, sources claim. Bosses in the Genovese, Lucchese and Gambino families are instructing their members to keep their distance and stay far away from revenge-bent Mancuso and the Bonannos, per these sources.

“Mikey is a giant fed magnet right now, he’s bringing heat on himself and everybody else with his reckless behavior and it’s not sitting well with people,” one source said. “The guy’s radioactive. That entire situation is a ticking time bomb. Nobody wants to be around when it goes off.”

Maybe they are now if they decide to be brave...

My prediction....nothing happens. No one gets whacked no one fights it out.just underworld drama. This is what the mob is today. Outside of the rare violent act, it’s just old time bravado. Just my opinion.

If he’s bringing heat onto the other families including his own I’m not really sure what will happen.

Holy cow, simmer down fanboy! You’re rooting for these criminals more than a dad cheers for his kids football team!

Do you hang out at the Tavern on Rush as well to get a glimpse of a mobster??

This isn’t the 1960’s anymore. Your dreams of mob takeovers are done with.

Tavern on Rush is closed brother , so no. Lol

I know exactly what will happen. Mancuso will send a bunch of his guys to send some nasty text messages to Cammarano. Cammarano will then give a bunch of negative yelp reviews to some of the business’ that Mancuso has a piece of. This might get ugly.

Someone Is going to get their ass kicked or whacked. It’s just a matter of time.

LOL...Ya know Lenox, you're a very funny guy! I mean like, Ha! Ha! funny!

no matter how much one may dislike Mancuso, objectively speaking, he must retaliate.

Aiello, Sciremammano and Spirito must crave for it as well.

other families’ liaisons are probably telling him retaliation is okay as long as you don’t turn this into a situation. No one can deny his decision to not letting this fly.

the main issue is how do you retaliate firmly enough not to look like a weakling but not too harshly to trigger a reaction from the law?

You make someone disappear.

Lol… thanks. My wife hates my dry sense of humor.

As long as civilians don't get hurt, let them have it out. Do they still keep their neighborhoods safe like back in the day or is that gone like the sharp dressers Rushsteet misses?

Let's hope you are right, but the group we are talking about is crazy enough to try something. It should not surprise anyone if someone got hit.

What are the relations with the Rizzutos? Maybe Mancuso would hire some gunmen from Montreal.

Mancuso does indeed have contacts up in Montreal and he will use them if necessary.

They’ll tell Mancuso to get fucked, just like they told Sal Montagna

Rush what proof do you have that Mancuso has contacts in Montreal?

He doesn’t. It’s all part of his fantasy about modern day mob bloodshed.

Mancuso came up in Montagna’s crew which had some connections to Montreal. That all ended when Sciascia was killed and definitely ended when they killed Montagna in Montreal

Bonannos have had connections/presence north of the border post-Sciascia.

The 2015 making ceremony conducted by Damiano Zummo (recorded by rat Enzo Morena) also confirms they have connections post-Montagna.

Further reading:

Not quite true on that ben. Mancuso and Montagna were apart of DeFilippo's crew and Mancuso took it over and then Montagna didn't after Mancuso was elevated to Acting Underboss. And Montreal was still with the Bonannos in the 2000s.

Zummo’s recorded Canadian making ceremony and Morena’s role was discussed here

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1008408

Without a doubt the Bonannos have people up north through their own zips.

This.

Mancuso must have been deeply insecure to feel the need to shelve reliable earners with street cred who know how to stay out of jail.

This comment wins Gansterbb.net

Not quality ones. They got the losing factions who were disaffected with the Rizzuto leadership. The Rizzutos who are still on top won't truck or trade with the Bonnanos. The Scoppa faction never did.

The Bonannos are relying on the increasingly sidelined and irrelevant Desjardins faction - and their top guys like DiMaulo are all dead.

You're dreaming if you think Steve Sauce is taking orders from Staten Island.

I just can't take today's mobsters seriously, there's no more Tony Accardos or Carlo Gambinos. Many of them out there today don't even look dangerous, they look like goofballs.

I assure you I’m not dreaming since I’m not implying anything concerning the strength or influence of the Bonannos zips in Canada. The discussion was about wether the Bonannos have connections up there or not.

They do.

It’s not up to me to say what’s their ranking within the local underworld. But since that they do have people it is not far fetched to assume that (if needed) some out-of-town muscle could be summoned down. Which is what triggered this whole discussion.

I don’t understand what you mean about “looking dangerous”. That’s not a good strategy at all. You don’t want people (especially the law) to spot your affiliation from miles away.

Carlo Gambino looked like a kind little man and Accardo looked like any other regular Italian dressed according to his era.

Power-wise keep in mind that Gambino and Accardo came up during the pre-Rico golden age.

It’s unfair to compare them to bosses active today.

I honestly believe nothing will happen. The other families don't care and if they did they def don't want to be exposed again so they'll let the bonnano's handle they're own business if anything does happen. I know there are those on this site that think the families have the guys to whack and carry out wars if need be. I don't think they do. If you want to name the over 75 YO's from the past maybe but do you think they wanna get caught up in this and go to jail until they die? The young guys? Forget them. This is nothing but drama and nothing comes of it

They tried taking over the Family Mancuso had every right to shelter them. They would've been killed if they did that back in the 1990s

Don't make shit up you have no idea if the Bonannos are relying on the Desjardins faction or any other group

Real life mobsters don’t look like anything in Hollywood really. People who watch too many mob movies think that the guys in real life should look like that. Thats not reality.

Are there some mean looking guys involved in the mob? Of course. But many guys who are involved in that life blend in with the average neighbor, golf club member or local regular at their bar that everyone has in their neighborhood. Believe it or not many look more like some accountant who works at a computer everyday or trades stocks than a guy who looks like the stereotypical bad ass mobster.

I'm not making anything up. The Rizzuto war has been very well documented.

There are more options other than A) straight-up murder or B) absolutely nothing.

Every crime family has its shooters. This is undebatable.

We can question their quality, and even their quantity, but not their existence.

The rizzuto war has been over for over 10 years. Nothing is documented that the Bonannos are relying on Desjardins faction still or any other faction.

what is happening?

mancuso getting help from montreal through desjardins??? the same desjardins who was arrested,convicted and imprisoned for the murder of montagna?? he is now going to come to the aid of the bonannos...c'mon lads.

damiano zummo has no connections to montreal. zummo was arrested in project otremens 2017 with THE VIOLI BROS. there wasnt even a single person arrested in that same bust that was even from the province of quebec let alone montreal!!!

ontario and quebec are 2 different provinces in canada with very different organized crime landscapes they are not one and the same.

theres no ny based people to do anything for mancuso? his own crime family not a single guy to use...from another ny/nj based family? biker mc group,street gangs independent hitmen or perhaps some of those 'ndrangheta that were recently busted in ny doing collections for the gambino and bonanno families???

i dont believe for a second that mancuso has any connections to mtl. there is no proof out of canada,u.s. or italy since the death of VITO RIZZUTO of any criminal connection existing between the bonanno family and THE RIZZUTO CRIME FAMILY.

Lol, don't feel bad pal. Wives never appreciate a husband's sense of humor...it kinda goes with the territory. lol

I don't even know why we're talking about Montreal it has nothing to do with this. It's irrelevant if Mancuso does or does not have connections to Montreal. No one is coming down to kill Cammarano. Mancuso's main enforcers are Ernie Aiello and Johnny Spirito Jr they've been involved in every bit of violence that we've known about that came from Mancuso since he's taken over.

Vitocahill it was the Gambinos and Colombos that had connections to those Calabrians that were busted a few weeks back in NY.

J.P. said in the past that Madonna said they would not recognize a boss that is in jail.
Which J.P. then said the position makes no sense for the Luke’s because their boss has been in jail for 30 years…

The last thing LCN needs today is a mini-war where god forbid an innocent bystander gets hurt or killed.

The general consensus is that LCN doesn’t kill anymore and that is where they want to be.

The feds would love to have more AMMO to get additional funding, if you were a Fed would you rather chase around ISIS or MS-13 or LCN, the obvious answer is LCN, right? the only organization that has in its rule book to NOT HURT COPS.

There is no place in LCN for a cowboy like Mancuso he is bad for business.

The other families prob are hoping he is the one to go.

In all fairness, I don't think there's anyone here who knows who or who doesn't have contacts with who in the mob. There are still hidden people, this is why for as long as some of us have been reading about the Mafia we still see names pop up from time to time that we never seen before. Like Damiano Zummo for instance, I've been following the Bonannos for years and never seen or heard of him until the indictment came down. He's just one example.

People are too scared to just say they don't know so instead they make shit up to look like they know it all

The Rizzuto war was grinding on long past 10 years ago - whether Rocco Sollecito (2016), Andrea Scoppa, Tony Magi (both 2019) or any of the other bodies that have fallen, its overwhelmingly clear that war is ongoing...so with all due respect, it's quite clear you don't have any clue what you are talking about with respect to Montreal.

I would say it's settled down for now, so long as anything is ever settled down back there, but it has been only relatively recently that Stefano Sollecito and Leonardo Rizzuto have consolidated power.

But there's really no need to argue - either Cammarano gets clipped or he doesn't get clipped. If as you say Mancuso has all these eager shooters, then he won't be walking around for long and you will be proven right.

Like others here, I'm going to agree with the speculation that nothing happens to the guy, especially given that he's likely being watched 24 hours a day.

True, facts or fiction if you follow the underworld much is about speculation.

Hamilton area mob which is where Moreno was included (with the Violi’s) has almost nothing to do with Montreal.

In case you didn’t hear, the Violis don’t associate with the Rizzutos LOL

The war in the context you were speaking of ended when Montagna was killed in 2011. The murders that took place after that were the Rizzutos cleaning up. Then in 2016 a new war separate to anything previously erupted between the Rizzutos and Scoppas and that ended with the deaths of both Scoppa brothers in 2019. Any recent murders that have taken place in the last couple of years we don't know why they've happened but it looks to be related to criminal rackets than a new power struggle. So with all due respect you don't know what you're talking about and you're making ahit up when you say the Bonannos are relying on Desjardins or anyone else in Montreal because nothing has come up that shows that.

I never claimed Mancuso has all these eager shooters or that Cammarano will be killed. I never mentioned shooters at all I said his two main enforcers are Aiello and Spirito Jr.

You're completely wrong.

After Montagna died the Desjardins faction carried on along with Giuseppe DeVito - and he wasn't hit until 2013. The war did not end in 2011, and you could probably even argue that it basically never stopped since the 1970's - it's been a constant see-saw of Calabrian vs. Sicilian internecine warfare ever since. But you won't find one credible follower of the Montreal saga that is going to agree that the Rizzuto war was over in 2011. The dozens of bodies that fell after 2011 are enough proof that I shouldn't have to say more; it's actually quite obvious.

Desjardins was allied with Montagna, and therefore the Bonannos, and this also is very well documented. Equally well documented was the 2004 meeting Rizzuto had with Vitale where he turned down the "Capo" position and basically told him and Massino to go fuck themselves which effectively ended the Rizzuto faction's relationship with New York. From that point forward, the Bonannos were doing business with rival factions. And again, you can read all about this in any number of Antonio Nicaso columns and in Mafia Inc., The Sixth Family, Business Or Blood and Inside the Montreal Mafia.

Given your insistence on your version of events I am going to guess you haven't read any of those.

We've gotten off the point which is the allegation in the above that the Bonnanos have people up North. Given the sources I've provided above which would refute that claim, I'll stand by what I've said: the Bonannos family influence in Montreal is either so close to zero that it its irrelevant, or it is in fact zero and there is no influence to speak of at all.

If you have evidence to the contrary, we'd all love to see it - including me. If not, then take your own advice and don't be scared to admit you don't know anything.

Just stop. You're wrong on this. There was no meeting in 2004 between Vito and Vitale. Vito was arrested just 3 weeks into 2004. In the meeting you were talking about that took place several years prior Vito turned the Captain's position down in favor of his father. He didn't tell Massino and Vitale to fuck off. That's some make belief bullshit guys like you have perpetuated over all these years that isn't backed up at all. No war has been going on since the 1970s to say this shows you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Joe De Vito was on the run outside of Montreal and arrested in 2010. I'll repeat myself since you clearly didn't read what I said. The war ended in 2011 with Montagna's murder and Desjardins' arrest. The murders that took place after that were the Rizzutos cleaning house. By the end of 2013 they were firmly back in control. From 2014-2015 murders that took place were personal Beefs and rivalries not a power struggle or new war breaking out. In 2016 after Sollecito and Rizzuto were off the street the Scoppas made their move to take over and took out Giordano, Rocco Sollecito, Vinnie and Joey Falduto, and Vinny Spagnolo. Their coup ended when Sal and Andrea Scoppa were killed in 2019.

Why would the Bonannos be relying on Desjardins when his whole group was in jail and he killed Montagna? Show me anything that documents the Bonannos working with any other group in Montreal post 2011 in an effort to take out the Rizzutos. You won't and you can't because they just don't exist.

I made a typo on the date; you're right to call me on that - it was a 2001 meeting not a 2004 meeting, but the substance of the meeting is the same.

An empty chair sat at the head of the table to the right of Rizzuto to symbolize the missing Sciascia. It was absolutely Rizzuto's intention to send a clear signal that he was done with the Bonannos. Maybe he didn't say "go fuck yourself" but that was the clear implication and thus why Massino was so upset with the results of the meeting - his third attempt at an entreaty with the Rizzutos in the same year.

I never said the Bonannos were relying on Desjardins I was saying that FACTION was the only faction that would take the Bonanno's calls - and I'll stand by that.

Again, this is all documented in the books I have already cited which you have not read.

Do you know how to read?

It isn't documented in any of those books just stop it already.

Yes it is, and it all comes from Vitale's testimony.

anyway back to 2023.
of possible mafia figures who go could go way back with the bonannos that still remain on the street in montreal we have...
in no order...

1.francesco arcadi-a rizzuto loyalist still alive and on street, unlikely to have any connection to bonannos currently. very possible arcadi was once made as a bonanno albeit 40 yrs ago.

2.domenico manno-former brother in law to nick sr. not a chance in hell he would be dealing with bonannos and is approaching 90 i think. have seen no proof of criminal activity since his 2012 release.

3.vincenzo di maulo-brother of deceased joe di maulo murdered nov 2012. has been released from long sentence in jail for some time now. his name barely ever came up relating to anything criminal over the last 10 years at least. probably to do with being in jail for a stretch. only info i could find that he was still alive was a 2018 journal de mtl article about a proposed mall he and his daughter were planning in saint-jean-sur richilieu. also getting up there in age he was born in 1938. age is not a factor in mafia this is just something i found.

4.antonio mucci-longtime member and rizzuto loyalist. i will say most of muccis loyalty stems from his attendance at libertina manno/rizzuto's funeral. this might not seem like a big deal but in the context of 2018 montreal it is. also the fact that hes alive would point to him not being with desjardins or scoppa factions. there has benn rumor that mucci has "retired" from active rackets?

5.anthony volpato-longtime associate to joe di maulo. volpato has either gone legit or is sick or the most secretive mafia member ever in mtl. his name barely ever shows up even as a passing reference in mtl investigations. i can think of one from 2012 where he was seen meeting with a high end cocaine and hash importer. that importer, alain charron is french canadian.

6.antonio pietrantonio-past member of montagnas short lived crew. pietrantonio survived an attempt on his life shortly after montagna in december 2011. since then pietrantonios name has come up in relation to el chapos trial in u.s. as a cocaine importer. pietrantonios connect was the cervantes-villa family. however alex cervantes villa testified against el chapo so i imagine that link is gone. pietrantonio now has been closer linked to top HA montreal chapter members martin robert and stephan plouffe. a.p's family is also involved in some kind of monetary feud with members of the accurso family (not a crime family!!!). this feud is most likely over unpaid debts.

-so i would eliminate arcadi,manno,mucci straight up as there loyalty would be with rizzutos.
-di maulo although not a loyalist is a survivor from the 60's, who is 85 and probably not even active criminally. for someone to survive and navigate 60 years of mayhem in montreal he doesnt strike as a guy to throw all that away by backing some move by mancuso. di maulo probably isnt even allowed to travel to u.s. let alone being imported as a shooter c'mon.
-that leaves volpato and pietrantonio. volpato is a ghost or inactive i can say nothing else. possible he has remained alive through all this because hes just not up to much. so that leaves pietrantonio. he is alleged to be allied with martin robert of the HA. robert is respected around the world by fellow HA bikers and carries a rare international patch or something allegedly. robert would have no problem with dealing with fellow HA in the u.s. for reasons stated. so IF anyone in mtl still has a connect to the bonannos i would put money on pietrantonio but that is a big IF!!! i have no good info on anyone being in a.p.'s cell/crew aside from some direct family members. IF hitters were required they would be of the biker kind not italians coming from mtl/already part of chapters on east coast of u.s.

Trying For A Holiday Mob Kill: Drive-By Shooting At Joe Cammarano, Jr.’s Long Island Residence Occurred Just Before Christmas

https://gangsterreport.com/trying-f...esidence-occurred-just-before-christmas/

And you believe this nonsense? Well then, I got a bridge in Brooklyn that I wanna sell ya!

Why are you in such denial? It’s very disturbing.

Posting a link to an article about this topic doesn’t necessarily mean that I believe it.

I honestly think Scott “Sources Say” Burnstein is a hack.

And I own bridges in Venice, Amsterdam and London so I’m good thank you…

Lol. Ya think so? That its' "very" disturbing? How bout I'm a realistic (with just a "bit" of knowledge about what's really what). And now, in fact, I'm gonna "double down" on my statement, ok?

Most of what's been thrown out there, what's being reported recently regarding the "war" of fire-bombing, beatings, shootings, and attempted murder plots, is 99.999999% complete bullshit!

Is there some conflict? Is there some underlying animosity? 100%! But is ANY of what's been said about overt acts being committed against anyone really happening? LOL.........Pleeeeeeeez! Give me a friggin break already!

This is "bad" information thats been provided to "whoever" is putting these rumors out there...Period!

And people, like yourself, are eating it up like candy. It'd actually a bad joke.

Lol. Good one LK. (I only hope you don't charge me a toll to go over one of your bridges). No harm! No foul pal!

I respect my fellow researchers. But at the end of the day, the truth is still the truth! Always!...And I tell ya here and now, whoever is providing the info to the writer putting these stories out, is not doing him any favors.

It is largely, false info (IMO).

And thats all I'm gonna say on this subject matter!

Burnstein was always a good reporter not only crime, also sports, entertainment, and city beat for two local Detroit newspapers.

You are a mobster aren’t you? Trying to cover up the inside information.

I'm not questioning his general abilities. I have heard his name within the industry for some years already, What I am saying, is that whoever he is getting this current info from regarding these NYC stories is not a credible source, IMO. And either by mistake or otherwise, they are feeding him a crock!

Remember Hollander, you could be the best reporter on the planet, but if you've got a bad "source" feeding you BS, then you've got a bad source. Period!

And as I stated earlier, whoever it is, is not doing Burnstein any favors, I assure you!

Lol. Are you smoking dope? You MUST be on something. "Trying to cover up inside information?" You must be on hard drugs! But if you're not, then by all means, you better start taking some! Lol

Point taken NYM.
I think Capeci had the same problem sometimes finding good sources is not easy.

Here is the thing it certainly appears that the “NOSE” is and has been “UNHINGED” the funeral home brawl or whatever happened I don’t think anyone is disputing that.

He did order the beat down at RAO’s of Meldish, so is really that hard to believe that this “UNHINGED” boss is looking for revenge to save face.

This is also the boss that wrote a letter to Meldish’s wife basically ratting out Meldish’s affair.

This is the same guy that killed his wife.

Why is it so hard to believe he has ordered any of these attacks against his enemies?

It looks like his Ego was bruised and this is his answer.

Could the sources have embellished upon the actual events of course, could Burnstein be adding a little icing to the cake, for shit sure.

All out war probably not, sending his guys for them I would think so, vandalizing a business, makes sense.

Agreed BensonHurst. Its just a sad state of affairs that we have some guys in denial over what Mancuso is up to and capable of. The guy is as ruthless as the bosses back in the 70's and 80's. I'd put him up there with guys like Casso to be honest with you when it comes to being a psychopath.

Yes, all this denial from "some guys." it's such a "sad state of affairs."

I don’t know that anyone is in denial It seems they more so are having a problem with Burnstein, I think in one of the headlines he is saying this is a Mob War, that seems like a bit of a stretch.

So if the source he has is putting sprinkles on the story possibly and Burnstein, is adding the “STRAWBERRY” for shock value, very easily the story could be blown out of proportion.

That is my take on it.

I have never personally read a time when Burnstein has got caught lying…
Some on here are acting as if.

At times this crowd can be a very tuff crowd.

They rip Capeci apart, that guy has been doing his thing for over 50 years, everyone everywhere gives him the respect of being “BONA-FIDE” he is a real O.G. yet there are posters on here that Rip him, about his sources, his stories, say he makes shit up, it’s CRAZY….. He has been reporting longer than probably half of the posters in here have been on this earth.

I really enjoy Burnsteins articles if anyone on here can point me to where he has been caught lying or something along those lines that is actual I would appreciate it, so I can make a decision myself on whether or not he and/or his blog/stories are legit.

Until that day comes in my eyes he is 100.

BH, To put things in the "proper" perspective, let me state this, ok pal.

Michael Mancuso has a very well documented history of being a bit unhinged at times. He is certainly not the most level-headed thinker, that's for sure! And there are many examples of that, ie; shooting his wife, sending men into another crews Bronx social club, meting out several very public beatdowns, issuing a ridiculous directive for a guy not to show up at his own father-in-law's wake, starting a fight inside that wake when the guy did show up, etc.

But to "start an all-out gangland war?" In the year 2023? Wild shootings on the streets of Long Island - a largely "upscale" bedroom community? Drive-by shootings, peppering a man's home with his wife and kids there? Wantonly "firebombing" storefronts and businesses on Long Island?

IMO, No way! No how! Never gonna happen! (not in this lifetime anyway).

The other four New York City crews would never stand for such things. For the simple reason, that such outlandish, crazy behavior, would endanger them all! Everyone in NYC! The bosses would not tolerate it...and both local and Federal law enforcement would not tolerate it.
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So as I stated in an earlier post. Do I think there is tension, disharmony, and certain people greatly dislike one another (to put it mildly)? ...Absolutely. But do I believe (even for one second) any of this bluster and bravado is actually taking place at this time? I do not.

Like the old saying goes, "anything in life is possible." Well nearly anything, anyway. So, if not plausible, is it still possible? Of course.
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But, I will even go one step further, ok?
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If, in fact, my overview on the subject at hand turns out to be wrong. I will then publicly admit to it on this forum. (But I certainly do not think thats gonna happen. Otherwise, I would never have said what I have about these events).

But if, on the other hand, I am correct, that this series of events never took place; the drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, the wild fire-bombings and arsons, the vandalism and the trashing of stores and businesses, etc. Then we can only hope the few posters on here who were so adamant about their position, will then rise to the occasion, and admit they were wrong.

After all, it would be the gentlemanly thing to do, no?

The solution is easy to get away with the firebombing as a mob boss. You simply proclaim it is in the name of BLM and the government will welcome you to bomb shit with open arms.

To be honest I skimmed through the article, now that you listed it and I can see what is being said, that’s just CRAZY!!!!

If he were doing all those things I am pretty sure the Feds, would make up a reason to violate him and lock him up, just to get him off the street.

I can’t see this happening in 2023, you would also think the Captains would take him down, if he was this unstable.

He has been charged with violating his parole. They filed the charges 2 days before it expired and this was months ago.

Yes and he paid $500,000 to get back out after being arrested. Guy is a serious serious gangster with serious money. Don't fuck with Mancuso, he will fuck you up.

BINGO!...You hit the $64 question! Nailed it right on the head!

100%.....But NOT for any of the events we are discussing here! THAT'S the difference. He was issued a violation for an unrelated charge. There's no correlation whatsoever to the subject at hand.

$500,000 to "get out?" What are you even speaking of? Do you even understand the true concept yourself?

Do you mean, he posted a $500,000 bail package? Which, if thats what you're speaking of, is typically handled through a bail bondsman, where you are required to only pledge 10% of the face value of the bail asked? Which either the defendant, or others (friends, family members, etc), can post up property or assets close to that amount to completely satisfy any court requirements?

Because if thats the case, thats no great feat? $500,000? That only amounts to $50k? Which, in the larger scheme of things, what the heck is that? Basically chump change nowadays.

I tell you here and now!...Mancuso DID NOT POST UP $500,000 IN HARD COLD CASH!...Not even close to that!

NYMafia, you saying that Mancuso doesn't have that kind of cash? What are you his accountant? How would you know?

You read my posts? Including the last one, about how the mechanics of posting up bail works, and that's what you got from it? That is completely, not, what I meant! How much money he may, or may not, have is not the point here! Or shouldn't be.

Go read it again, but slower this time, ok? And lets see if you can understand the concepts, (and the gist), of what I was trying to explain.

I don't know about this ball situation. When you have those higher bails it's kind of stupid to put only the ten percent down. He'll never get it back. If your bail is ten grand, you'd only lose a grand. In this case, he's out 50 grand. Then again, if he puts the full 500k down, he has to show where it came from and there's the possibility the court fucks him if they fine him or do whatever bullshit they did. I'd bet when the bosses all made bail for the commission trial, they paid in full.

Yes he posted $500,000 bond which in most cases is 10% but the judge can in fact require as much as the full amount in cases where they think you are a flight risk for example. Which Mancuso would easily fall under. If I’m judge he’s posting the entire $500,000 or sitting in prison no questions asked since he violated his parole.

Because of the exorbitant high bails sets in recent decades, (especially in Federal Court), most lawyers work out bail applications with the court where "houses and/or other properties," valued at what the judge considers to be a reasonable matching amount are generally posted up today.

It seems he did post up a house for bail. And also according to the attached court documents, he's working out a deal with the feds and is planning to plead guilty to VOSR.

Well it appears that someone's house got shot up according to the news report. Are you saying that it, most likely, had nothing to do with Cammarano etc.? Or are you saying that the story in the Patch.com didn't actually happen?

I have no idea whose house was shot up but that house and the house put up for bail are two separate things.

Lol how did those wires even get crossed. What does Mancuso's bail and Cammarano's house have to do with eachother

1000% lol

I thought you said "WHO IS ON FIRST"

According to the Patch article the house hit is on New Woods Road, in Glen Cove. I’m surprised that no mob buff knows if it’s Cammarano’s house or not.

According to Burnstein Barney Bellomo and Lorenzo Mannino plead for Mancuso to stop the beef.

Is Scott sitting in on these meetings?

War Of The Godfathers: NYC Mafia Dons Barney Bellomo, Lorenzo Mannino Plead For Bonanno Boss Mikey Nose To Stop Murder-Obsessed Beef

https://gangsterreport.com/war-of-t...mikey-nose-to-stop-murder-obsessed-beef/

February 11, 2023 — Genovese crime family boss Barney Bellomo and Gambino crime family boss Lorenzo Mannino, the two most respected, revered and powerful mob dons in New York City, are allegedly pleading with fellow Big Apple Godfather, Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso, to cease and desist from his revenge plot, per sources. Mancuso, in turn, has sent word to Bellomo and Mannino to “respectfully, mind their own business,” according to two different sources with knowledge of the inter-family dynamics.

Bellomo, 66, is considered the “boss of bosses” in the New York mafia. Mannino, 64, is an “acting boss” but still incredibly influential on both sides of the Atlantic.

“Barney means business, he’s bent out of shape about this whole thing,” one source said. “Lorenzo gets along with everyone and is trying to play peacemaker here. But Mikey ain’t hearing any of it, he wants them to leave him alone and let him run his family the way he sees fit.”

Mannino is an "acting boss". That's honestly hilarious. He's been running the entire thing for years

I can imagine Bellomo and Mannino are not happy with this feud. It's internal but it can bring heat on the other families.

A member on here predicted Mancuso would be whacked as one of his predictions in 2023.

Do you think that will happen?

Lol I've heard a couple of people predict that, but that would surprise me. He is probably the most wanted man in the entire Amreican Cosa Nostra, but I don't see him catching slugs. I see Joe C gone before him

The Bonannos have always been a rogue family. But you never know with those Sicilians LOL.

Both Mannino and Bellomo are Sicilian, I'm pretty sure Mancuso is too. All the Families need to stay closer to their roots, it's their only hope for survival. And Mancuso needs to stop being so petty, this is 2023, not 1983. Have a war in this day and age and you'll have guys flipping before the first shot is even fired. Not to mention wars cripple and in some cases have literally destroyed some Families.

Yes Bellomo, Mannino, Mancuso, Badalamenti, Cammarano are all Sicilians.

Lol who gives a fuck? They're all Americans. This ain't the '50s

They still have ties to Sicily.

Maybe Lorenzo, but those other guys? Have you heard anything? If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I'd be quite surprised if they have ties that are actually benefitting their crime families

The Bonannos also to Castellammare del Golfo, Bellomo IDK but his father was from Corleone.

Okay. Well, there is a Jack Bonventre around, but he is more American than Sicilian. Damiano Zummo? Baldo is locked up for life. Yeah, the Bonannos probably have ties. Is it really worth a lot though? It seems like a reach at this point

Vinny TV is a Badalamenti of course they are fully Americans but since Joe Bonanno and Carmine Galante they always kept a bond with Sicily.

There probably is a bond of some sort. I keep thinking about Montreal. There is something there, but you have to agree that times have changed. So many important people have died and a lot of those connections died with them.

The Bonannos have ties to several places in Trapani and into Agrigento and Palermo too. Antonino Mistretta and Joe Bosco and others are tied to Castellammare del Golfo, the Pipitones are from Toretta and close with the Gambino members who come from and are involved there. The Grimaldis have links back to Santa Ninfa.

Yes Sal Montagna was the last major player connecting NY, Sicily, Montreal, after 2011 who knows?

Not exactly. Connections die more difficulty than people. If such ties are profitable and functional, groups will assure they’re kept in place, albeit with a different roster. It’d be like implying that after Frank Cali’s death connections between the Gambinos and Sicily were halted. How many times trans-Atlantic alliances were interrupted? Either by death or by the law? Plenty. Yet families have always managed to maintain or promptly re-build them.

The fact that we don’t know who all these liaisons are doesn’t mean these connections don’t exist.

This morning, I'd like to pose just a single question to our fellow forum members...Just one! Ok fellas? (If thats alright with all of you, of course?) Ask yourselves this;

"So when is this big "Internal Bonanno Family War" coming? You know the one, don't you? The "alleged" deadly war between "Michael Mancuso vs. Bonanno Family dissidents" thats been "forced-fed" to us on this forum for weeks already?"

Day after day, week after week, all these "news reports" from "unnamed sources" coming to us daily, describing all the intriguing and deadly new happenings in the world of organized crime in NYC and L.I.?

Where is this war I ask?...Where? The drive-by shootings of houses and businesses? The devastating "arson" attacks? The beatings? The murder plots? Etc.?...Strickly Crickets?

I wonder why?
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hummmm...very interesting.

While I agree with most of this, that is to say, wait for additional information, my questions is how do you know no one has gotten beaten? I'll just leave it there for now.

What's funny is that this thread has reached 5 pages, and it's more than likely all based on a pack of lies. How Scott hasn't been sued yet is beyond me.

I was joking when I talked about Scott being sued. But whether he's lying intentionally or not, I wonder what the ratio here is of people who believe that there's an internal war brewing within the Bonannos vs those who don't.

I don't believe Burnstein make things up, but like all regular media (NYPost, NYDN) it may be exaggerated.

Because there's not been a single peep, not even a whisper, in any major or minor newspaper about it (Newsday, NYDN, NYPost, NYT, of Village Gazettes, etc), nor has any law enforcement agency (be it, FBI, NYState Police, NYPD, Nassau Police Dept., or Suffolk County Police) begun any type of investigation, whatsoever, of all the "alleged" arsons, shootings, beatings, murder plots, etc., supposedly taking place on Long Island and within the Five Boros. Not a single informant has come forward and reported such happenings to their FBI handlers either. Otherwise law enforcement would be more than obligated to investigate such allegations. Especially that it "allegedly" involves violence such as potentially deadly arsons and shootings. Serious crimes that could endanger the lives of the public...Thats why.

Furthermore, Mancuso has been under tremendous scrutiny for many months already, by both the FBI and the U.S. Parole Board, regarding several Federal violations he's charged with. Prosecutors are doing their very best to "violate" him and throw him back in prison.

Do you NOT think that if ANY of these alleged violent crimes were presently being committed on the streets of NY, that they would not quickly investigate them, and make sure to include these incidents in their court filings before the Federal Judge hearing the case? So that they could sway the Judge to rule in their (the government's) favor and throw Mancuso (the alleged main antagonist) back behind bars to stop this "alleged" mob warfare before it escalates any further?

But there's been no such filings, whatsoever!........It's been strictly "crickets" across the board!

Pleeez! Give us a brake already.

Great question Liggio. In fact, I think you should formally present your question of, "What is the ratio here of people who believe that there's internal war brewing within the Bonannos vs those who don't?" to the forum so that people will each cast a vote.

I think the answer to your question would be very interesting to see.

Why don't you do it?

Whether or not they choose to voice it. I'm sure that everyone here on the board has an opinion about this subject.

I see. Are you intending to be condescending to me in your response? I hope not. Let me take your points one by one.

1) Why do you think a newspaper would have any insight into the current and ongoing matters of a LCN family? They generally report in arrears.
2) Why would LE inform anyone they started an investigation?
3) Why would LE make public that an informant provided information on this matter?
4) Why is LE "more than obligated"? We see examples where they're not obligated in the context you use, especially on the federal level.

While I neither agree, nor disagree with Scott's reporting, I don't understand the argument either way, which are almost entirely anecdotal.

Hacker, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions, and you are certainly entitled to have your own.

That being said, let me state that I do not agree with your assessment at all. Not one iota.

And for the record, I was not, "intending to be condescending to you" in my response.

Did the shootings start? Did I miss it?

It's been some time since we heard anything more about this. Was the impending war resolved? Did Mancuso take the money and run? Did the feds nip it in the bud since they knew about it? Maybe Capeci will finally write about it this week

I suggest that you don't hold your breath MS!

That is, unless you wanna turn blue in the face! lol

And I'm sure that I'm not the only one here who feels that way too!

Even though they don't voice their opinions...

This is either one of the very best pieces of journalistic research and "insiders" knowledge of current mob happenings (before the mob happenings even happen, no less)...or, in the alternative, somebody out there is providing phony info and misleading the journalists.

Thoughts?

I checked Pacer and still nothing on the Mancuso VOSR...maybe the impending "war" is what's holding it up?

In a recent podcast Scott Burnstein said he believes these details will come out in court documents within the next 6 months for whatever that's worth.

Yeah, that must be it...For sure!

All the Bonannos are probably out at their local "Sealy Posture-Pedic Mattress" stores stocking up before the big war comes and they're forced to "hit the mattresses"

It seems there's some movement on Mancuso's VOSR. This week's Gangland News reports:

"It's taken eight weeks — not the 10 days the judge wanted — but Robert Capers, the Chief U.S. Department of Probation official in Brooklyn, is apparently ready to tell the Court why the government agreed to let Bonanno family boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso plead guilty to a lesser violation of supervised release (VOSR) than the one with which he was first charged."

The hearing is scheduled for April 14, according to Gang Land.

No mention of the impending "war" which you'd think the government would use to really stick it to Mancuso instead of letting him "plead guilty to a lesser violation," especially since the government is supposedly "aware" of the situation and the judge is already angry about the entire thing.

Hmmmm...thats really weird, huh?

Because the feds claim the mob is now a shell of its former self, could it be that they don't feel its pays to investigate all the beatings and bombings and shooting that have been reported lately?

The FBI might feel, that in the year 2023, any new "Banana War" would be a small affair with only a handful of gangland murders, so its not worth allocating government resources to it?

I wonder if that could be it?

Yawn, snooze. That's my opinion all along

https://gangsterreport.com/dodging-...to-the-bk-borough-dino-cammaranos-place/

It appears that Scott is doubling down on his Bonnano claims. I don't subscribe to this but anybody hear anything? Or is just more of the same?

I don't have access either. Part of me says there's no smoke without fire but there's surely no way that if any of this is true the major NY papers aren't eating it up. I've not followed his stuff too closely but have listened to their podcast and other than being a bit obsessed with mobster nicknames they've seemed to be reasonable. But without anyone else reporting on it surely this is all nonsense or at the least massively exaggerated. The funeral assault was all over the news, if there's shootings surely this would get 10 fold that attention...

It's intriguing but pretty disastrous for your reputation and future if you're wrong and reporting on people's homes and businesses getting shot at. It's sensitive stuff to those involved, particularly on the back of a death in their family. But I guess they're all mobsters/criminals so maybe he don't care

Where was the funeral assault all over the news?

Gangland reported it first and then I'm sure it was on NY Daily News or NY Post and some of them. I might be wrong but I thought it was relatively big news

How did we go from it was all over the news to actually I'm not sure but it was probably on some?

All over mob news I should have clarified.. or big news in the NY mob reporting. I apologize if I misled you Mafia101, I'll be careful with my words in future

Gangland is the recognized authority when it comes to LCN in New York City and NJ.
If he printed it, you can take the story to the bank.

He worked for the NY post for decades.
The daily news for about 10 years
Gangland News ran in the SUN for many years.

He started Gangland News in in the late 90’s

He has been been covering LCN for about 40 years.

That is longer than a lot of the posters on here have been alive.

I don’t think anyone on this earth has his RESUME let alone any poster on here has the credentials to challenge him or his weekly column.

P.3.R.O.I.D.

[quote=NYMafia][quote=MafiaStudent]It seems there's some movement on Mancuso's VOSR. This week's Gangland News reports:

"It's taken eight weeks — not the 10 days the judge wanted — but Robert Capers, the Chief U.S. Department of Probation official in Brooklyn, is apparently ready to tell the Court why the government agreed to let Bonanno family boss Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso plead guilty to a lesser violation of supervised release (VOSR) than the one with which he was first charged."

The hearing is scheduled for April 14, according to Gang Land.

No mention of the impending "war" which you'd think the government would use to really stick it to Mancuso instead of letting him "plead guilty to a lesser violation," especially since the government is supposedly "aware" of the situation and the judge is already angry about the entire thing.
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I just read the most of Scott’s articles.

I do not think there is a war.

A mob war would mean two sides trying to get at each other.
J.C. Defended himself and that’s it.

I 100% believe Mancuso has sent out a team or teams of guys to: “GET Joe C. Jr”

JC has one upped Mancuso a couple of times.

1) JC won a captains vote.
2) JC embarrassed the shit out of him with the Funeral Home Abortion.
3) JC took his case to trial and like a MOBSTERS MOBSTER - BEAT THE FEDS.

I do NOT believe there is a murder contract on JC.
This is why I think what I think:

1) Hit teams are sent out to “KILL”.
2) Hit teams do not set fires to their targets businesses.
3) Hit teams do NOT shoot up their targets houses.

If you do stuff like 2 and 3 above you alert your “TARGET” it’s like sending a letter to your target and saying “Hey I am Coming To Kill YOU”

So now the target will:

1) Go on the lam. -OR-
2) Go to the Feds for protection. -OR-
3) Run to another family for protection. -OR-
4) Start Carrying Guns.-OR-
5) Hire Body Guards. -OR-
6) KILL YOU FIRST!!!

I.E. in Canada there was a hit attempt carried out a by a shooter, who was ordered to “KILL RIZZUTO”
now they didn’t shoot his car or his house they shot at him and shot him.

To SUM this up:

I think Mancuso ordered a “HOSPITAL BEATING” as he has done in the past -Vs- Meldish.

And further instructed his guys to “TERRORIZE” them JC & DC while you are “HUNTING them DOWN”

Give them some “FOOD FOR THOUGHT”

Let them know that we had a team of guys waiting for them where they lay there heads at night and where they think they are safe, fire a few shots into the Garage, let them know we also had a team at their businesses burn one of their trucks and/or set their dumpster on fire.

Let them constantly look -????- over their shoulders to see if someone is there to get them.

Lastly I believe JC is way smarter than Mancuso and that he might be biding his time.
Look at it this way:

Mancuso lost the vote BEFORE:

1) He started squeezing his captains for more money monthly.
2) He made a complete fool of himself and whole family.
3) The other heads stopped JC’s ascension prior to Mancuso doing all these idiotic things, I do not believe they will step in for him again.

4) I think JC steps up when Mancuso gets taken off the streets for a decent amount of time 5+ years.

Again some Bonnano’s and the head of the other families saved Mancuso, will those Bonnano’s stay loyal to him?

The bottom here is that Mancuso is not boss material, he will continue to hurt this family his stupid shit is keeping in wanted and needed a scrutiny which leads to more indictments and more guys flipping, which means more indictments.

It’s a VICIOUS CYCLE…