Is LCN in DETROIT really running Toronto?

How much influence does the mob in Detroit have over Toronto and that region of Canada?

Is the Detroit family running things under the radar , up in Toronto to keep themselves from getting busted in the states? Wouldn't it be harder to prosecute them if their business is done in Canada compared to doing it here in the United States? Seems to me Canada is not as hard on organized crime as we are here. Is there even a RICO statute in Canada? I don't think so. If what I say is true, you can pretty much say that DETROIT is much more powerful than most people believe.

Discuss.

THE PARTNERSHIP is not running anything now or ever in toronto.
'ndrangheta groups run the city as far as italian OC goes. these 'ndrines have direct links back to calabria.
in my time researching OC in toronto the PARTNERSHIP has never come up. historically parts of toronto have been run by the buffalo family (john papalia),'ndrangheta families and rizzuto crime family members sometimes of sicilian ethnicity. the caruana-cuntrera also held sway briefly in the mid to late 90's but mass arrests crippled there well established drug import network (project omerta).

THE PARTNERSHIP at some point controlled an area of windsor,ON just across border from detroit. lately however there is NO evidence that they continue to operate a crew in the city.

toronto is a large multi ethnic city and its numerous crime groups share that diversity...so canadian i know.
not one single crime group controls the entirety of the city and some work together to control larger parts. the figliomeni 'ndrine for instance had made an alliance with hells angels members from the london,ON chapter to control a larger gambling/money laundering racket. (project sindacato 2019.)

A diminished, aging family from Detroit, which was always one of the smaller families anyway, should be wary of venturing into Canada. As Montreal has illustrated so well for years, it is the Wild West in Canada.

Featuring incompetent police, a catch-and-release justice system, and nothing remotely like RICO laws, organized crime in Canada is allowed to function at a level not seen in the United States in the last 30 years.

The last American mob boss (Montagna) who showed up in Canada telling everyone that he was now in charge ended up going back to New York in a bodybag. One of his key collaborators was poisoned while IN HIS PRISON CELL. Raynald Desjardins is down to his last or second-to-last Dick Clark's Rockin' New Year's Eve.

Jackie the Kid strikes me as far too intelligent to wade into the complex, Calabrian vs. Sicilian hellscape that is Canadian organized crime.

Canadian OC is very similar to Europe, Canada as a whole in fact.

Toronto and Montreal are very different, they are also far apart from each other. As far as Detroit running things or having an influence, they barley have anything like that in Detroit these days.

Great post, I wish we had like buttons. I think this sums up Canada perfectly. Detroit is a pimple on the face of OC in Canada.

Read the southern ontario bust post if you havent already, it has info pertaining to this

Ndrangheta calls the shot in Toronto when it comes to the Italians. Detroit doesn`t get shit over there.

As others on this thread have mentioned, The Detroit crew is small emough, and has all to do just to keep a presence in The Motor City nowadays, let alone worry about Ontario.

They haven't had a presence there in many decades already. Not since the days of Joe Zerilli and Black Bill Tocco.

True. While Toronto is modern, high-rise and looks to America, Montreal is seen as more historic, cultural and Europe-leaning.

With only 30 made men,I doubt that they can control something over Detroit and near cities.

Half of whom are probably not even criminally active.

is Detroit family really still active? the last indictment was in 2006 if i remember right

Its more a gambling ring that a mob family,the last indictment was because o è of the d'Anna brothers beaten up a guy in 2011 because refused to pay a street tax on his restaurant.

Correct and that is why I brought up any possibility OG in Detroit is having an influence on Toronto.

Anyone care to leave their input on this comment?

I am from north of Toronto and I have never thought or heard that Detroit has any influence here, either through the internet, books or street talk/word of mouth in person. However, after seeing these names, I don’t believe they are ndrangheta guys specifically or Sicilian. The mastronardi guys who were the bigger players in this bust are from leamington, south of Windsor, and supposedly connected to lcn people in that area. They are of molisane heritage. If these connections are true then it is possible there are some guys loosely tied to Detroit in Toronto. Notice I say loosely and more tied to the Canadian side of things. Also, that doesn’t mean that Detroit has anything more than a marginal say of what goes on in toronto, it would just mean there are some guys here who work for people that work for other people in Windsor, who in turn are tied to other people in the city of Detroit. Wouldn’t be that far fetched tbh

I remember there was one fellow who handled the City of Windsor for the Zerilli/Tocco Family decades as Nicholas Cicchini. [If memory serves me correctly, he was one of three such "soldiers" or "capo" figures who controlled rackets up there for Detroit]

Yep and they go way back! Antonio Macrì, one of the most powerful bosses ever, was involved in expanding the 'Ndrangheta internationally, in particular Canada and Australia. He urged Michele (Mike) Racco, who had been initiated to the local 'ndrina and moved to Canada in the early 1950s, to set up an organisation in Canada.

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/search/label/Detroit

Cicchini-Nicholas Canada Nick 1897-69 1940-60's Sol Windsor,Canada
Finazzo-Vincent Crazy Jimmy 1931-93 Salvatore[F/U] 1960-80's Sol Windsor,Canada
Galici-James Vincent 1919-2005* 1960-90's Sol Windsor,Canada
Misuraca-Salvatore* Sammy Rocks 1919-86 1960-80's Sol Windsor, Canada
Oddo-Louis* Sol Windsor, Canada
Caruso-Santo Sam 1910-94 Trapani,Sic. [1912 J.Misuraca[M] 1930-70's Sol Windsor,Canada
Catalanotte-Joseph Cock-Eyed Joe 1901- Salemi,Sic. [1923] Salvatore[B] 1930-70's Capo Windsor,Canada/Dep. 1957
Renda-Vincenzo* James 1884-1971 Alcamo,Sic. [1912] Carl[N] 1920-50's Sol To Canada

I don't buy that shit about the Detroit mob not being active, they're still a functioning Family.

Yes they're still active but theyre more a gambling ring that a lcn family.

Detroit is a bit of a mystery. It's a small group that doesn't appear to be doing anything to make law enforcement too concerned about them. They are definitely active, but being active in today's world is the equivalent of being 'inactive' 30 years ago. They called them fringe players.

Remember this is a family that set forth a rule back in the 1960’s that any 2nd generation blood being brought into the family had to have a college degree.

Also remember a few short years ago everyone wrote off Buffalo as not having any influence in Buffalo and definitely not having any influence in Hamilton.

Well because there were no dead bodies and no indictments.

How did that opinion fare out?

If not for the really stupid 2011 DeAnna indictment everyone would be swearing there was no Sicilian connection either.

Sicilian mafia and drugs go hand and hand as far as I can tell.

And the same argument I had many years ago with Buffalo and Hamilton that I was ridiculed for was and is Buffalo had smuggling routes set up on both sides of the border that are REALLY REALLY UNDERGROUND some of the routes have been in place since prohibition and you never hear anyone getting busted bringing anything into this country via those routes.

Well the same with Detroit and Windsor for that reason alone it would make sense to keep a presence in Windsor.

We are talking about the smartest and in my opinion the most successful LCN family in the history of America.

They def aren’t lending $1000 to shy customers for $50 a week Vig and breaking the guys head for paying late. I am sure the money they lend would probably be established business men and businesses on a way larger scale to be worth their time and effort.

They aren’t taxing store owners at the local level for a few hundred a month as you can see the possible outcome with the DeAnna’s.

Also remember they have spent decades trying to disappear and go underground.

That is the reason why for the most part the majority of their key players never went to jail or only did B.S. time.

I just do not see them just walking away from town they controlled going back 70-80 years.
That is their gateway to Canada.

One thing if the argument was the Feds and Rico came through and locked everyone up and that’s it.

I mean what did they do with their sports book just walk away from it?

There is almost no threat from L.E.

And whatever else they controlled that was profitable say call the Hells Angels they can service you from now on.

That’s my 2 Cents

What they can do in a almost all black city like Detroit?
They had connections with the bikers before Bommarito death and werent big players in drugs after 1970s,they lost LV money and union control.
What remain? Very few.
The Detroit Mob is more a large blood family made by Vito-Giacalone-Zerilli families.
But to be real estate owner who is a criminal in his spare time dont make him a mobster!
Low key dont means be invisible! If the Partnership would have interests in Canada,the canadian LE would find proofs of it.
For me the Detroit Mafia is just a stabile but little active family,for sure have associate that sell drugs and other street crimes while the made men are involved in more lucrative and less dangerous crimes.
That is my 2 cents.

One indictment every 10 or 11 years means there is no presence of note. The true American LCN guys are so old they can barley walk, their kid and grandkids went into college and jobs. The Italian young population disappeared long ago. If an occasional Sicilian mobster gets caught selling drugs there he is probably doing it with Arabs from Dearborn or any a small area of Detroit.

Summed up well.

So anyone here have any knowledge of just how ruthless the Partnership was in their heyday? Were they violent? Were they as ruthless as say Chicago or Kansas City in their prime?

Not even close to the Chicago Outfit in terms of ruthlessness. The bootlegging days were wild in Detroit, but the Tocco-Zerilli mafia from which spawned the Partnership always seemed to be a low-key family that prioritized keeping close family ties in the organization to keep the stability and made sure that the members of the family got educated. Gambling and loan-sharking were always their main blue collar rackets and they seem to be very savvy in white collar crime and infiltrating the corporate world. They immediately realized it's pointless to hold on to their former territories and go to war with African American gangs, Assyrian/Chaldean mobsters and bikers when Italian Americans weren't a factor in those communities anymore. A very quiet family, which in a way contradicts with the ridiculously violent reputation the city of Detroit has.

The Chicago Outfit on the other hand had an almost unparalleled bloodlust in their prime. There are reports of debtors getting maimed in horror movie like ways and despite the fact that the Outfit was famed for having high-ranking associates, being an associate of that organization could also be the very worst place you could ever find yourself in. When shit hit the fan, even if you were very well liked, they were gonna whack you. One botched job could be enough for them to pop you. Extremely ruthless organization in their prime and I'd go as far as saying that the level of violence they were willing to get into was never gonna be sustainable in the long run.

https://gangsterreport.com/mafia-murder-mayhem-in-the-motor-city-detroit-mob-hit-timeline-1937-2007/

1937 – Detroit mobster and funeral home owner Frank (The Undertaker) Bagnasco is gunned down in the street after feuding with crime family brass.

1938 – Detroit mafia captain and “Downriver mob king” Joe (The Baron) Tocco is killed on the porch of his girlfriend’s house following a beef with his successor as the man in the charge of the city’s Downriver rackets, Anthony (Tony Cars) D’Anna. The hit was alleged to be related to Ford Motor Co. stock options.

1944 – Detroit mob associate and rogue Lebanese wiseguy Eddie Sarkesian is slain for robbing mafia-ran gambling parlors.

1945 – Detroiter Lydia Thompson is found murdered with a note in her pocket directing police to notorious Motor City mafia captain Santo (Cockeyed Sam) Perrone.

1945 – Midwest mob associate Maurice Margolis is found dead in Chicago while under federal indictment alongside Detroit mafia captain Peter (Horseface Pete) Licavoli and a gambling lieutenant of his named George (Mosie) Massu.

1946 – Flint, Michigan wiseguy Sam Ricca is killed.

1947 – Detroit mob associate and bookie Fred Baraky is killed.

1947 – Detroit mob associate and Greek gambling boss Gus Andromulous is garroted to death by local mafia princes and future dons Giacomo (Black Jack) Tocco and Anthony (Tony Z) Zerilli as a way of making their bones.

1948 – Detroit mobsters and bookies Pete Lucido and Chris Scroy disappear after accusations of skimming.

1949 – Detroit mobster and bookie Eddie Martino is killed.

1950 – Detroit mob associate Jack George is shot and strangled to death by future Motor City mafia capo Dominic (Fats) Corrado as a way of making his bones after George fell in disfavor with crime family leaders for robbing people he shouldn’t have been.

1955 – Detroit mob associate, numbers runner and burglar A.C. Jones is killed.

1956 – Detroit mob soldier and narcotics lieutenant Salvatore (Toto) Vitale has a falling out with local crime family drug czars Giovanni (Papa John) Priziola and Raffaele (Jimmy Q) Quasarano and vanishes after meeting with Jack Tocco and his brother and future consigliere Anthony (Tony T) Tocco at a bar in Windsor, Canada.

1957 – Detroit mob enforcer Leo Difatta is killed for robbing policy houses belonging to the Corrado crew.

1957 – Gary, Indiana mobster Gilde Caprio is discovered strangled to death on a barren road on the west side of Michigan with rumors floating that the Detroit mafia disposed of Caprio on behalf of their contemporaries in the Chicago Outfit.

1957 – Indebted Detroit-area gambler Earl Atwood is found shot in the back of the head.

1957 – West Virginia mobster Nick Miller is killed by members of the Pittsburgh mafia as a favor for the Detroit crime family.

1958 – Sicilian immigrant Antonio DiPasquali is blown up in a car bomb for supposedly rebuffing extortion attempts from Detroit mobsters.

1959 – Detroit mobster Joe C. Moceri is killed.

1959 – Detroit mob associate Chris Scroy, brother of slain wiseguy Sam Scroy, is kidnapped, killed and later has his chopped up body found in suburban Southeast Michigan. Scroy had shot local Jewish racketeer Max (Big Maxie) Stern years earlier for the belief that Stern headed the hit team that offed his brother and first cousin.

1960 – West Coast real estate investor Myford Irvine who did a Las Vegas casino deal with underworld figures, including Detroit mob capo Pete Licavoli is shot to death, allegedly on orders of Licavoli and his fellow bigwigs in the Michigan mafia.

1960 – Detroit mob associate and Greektown gambler Tommy Karmanos is killed for being an informant.

1961 – Metro Detroit mob-owned painting-company employee Norman Hall is shot to death after heading to a meeting with his bosses, local mafia heavies Frank (Frankie Ice) DiMaggio and Phillip (Polo Phil) Palazzolo.

1962 – Detroit mobster and drug lieutenant Ubale (Coy Roy) Calabrese is murdered for the belief he was an informant.

1963 – Detroit area con man Sal Brodsky is found dead after conning some local button men.

1964 – Detroit mob soldier and narcotics lieutenant Paul (The Sicilian) Cimino disappears following a beef with his bosses, Papa John Priziola and Jimmy Quasarano.

1964 – Detroit area numbers operator Harry Ellis is killed.

1965 – Deported Detroit mafia capo Onofrio (Nono) Minaudo is killed in Sicily in a revenge slaying tied to a man Minaudo had murdered as a young man prior to fleeing to America.

1965 – Detroit mob soldier Peter (Tino) Lombardo, the top enforcer for capo Cockeyed Sam Perrone is murdered after being caught trying to put a bomb under the car of Tony Giacalone, who was in the midst of a mini-war against Perrone and Pete Licavoli in which previously Giacalone had Perrone’s leg blown off in a car bombing.

1968 – Indebted gambler, loanshark victim and produce vendor Sam DiMaggio, the cousin of “Frankie Ice” DiMaggio, is beaten to death by a trio of Detroit mobsters after being told by Tony Giacalone to send a message but not kill their victim.

1968 – Detroit mob associate and gambling chief Cesar Adler is found hogtied, strangled and shot to death in the trunk of his car in the wake of his backdoor casino known as the Carleton House being raided, several high-ranking mafia members getting pinched and police finding loaded dice being used at a number of the craps tables.

1968 – Detroit mob associate and Cesar Adler underling Nick Behnen vanishes.

1968 – Detroit mafia enforcer Robert (Bobby Stardust) Dunaway, one of Sam DiMaggio’s three killers, is murdered for botching the assignment.

1968 – Judy Ruggirello, the wife of future Detroit mob captain Antonino (Tony the Exterminator) Ruggirello, Jr. disappears hours after informing her husband she was leaving him.

1968 – Detroit mob capo Joseph (Joe Misery) Moceri is beaten to death in the armed robbery of a warehouse he owned.

1968: The Robison family murders (aka The Good Hart Massacre) – Metro Detroit magazine owner Richard Robison, his wife and four children are executed while vacationing in the northern Michigan town of Good Hart at their cabin on the Blisswood Resort property amidst rumors of gambling debts to mob bookies and employee embezzlement.

1970 – Mob associates and stocks and securities-fraud experts George Wahl & Jack Eaton are killed within the same few months, Wahl in Detroit and Eaton in Miami.

1971 – Detroit mafia associate and drug dealer Willie Flowers is killed for an increasing gambling debt and breaking off his business relationship with the mob to seek out independent narcotics suppliers.

1971 – Detroit mafia associate and drug dealer Pete Klavinger is slain after accruing serious debt to local mob loansharks.

1971 – Detroit mafia associate and trucking executive Joe Bozied is blown up in a car bomb.

1971 – Detroit mafia associate and high-ranking gambling lieutenant Sol (Good Looking Solly) Shindel is killed inside his home, shot in the face at point blank range, while under a pair of indictments and rumors swirling of skimming and too much unpaid personal debt. Local mob enforcers Robert (Bobby the Animal) La Puma and Ronald (Hollywood Ronnie) Morelli, Shindel’s collectors and co-defendants, were the two top suspects in the case.

1972 – Metro Detroit builder and general contractor Kelly Chisolm is killed after getting in debt to mob loan sharks.

1972 – Bookkeeper Agnes Brush, employed by a company that gave loans to a mob-connected development firm is found stabbed to death in her office after complaining about the shady financial transaction used to finance the Pine Knob resort.

1972 – Detroit mobster Pete Vasallo, one of the men responsible for beating Sam DiMaggio to death, is killed.

1972 – Detroit mobster Gregory (Little Pete) Katranis, the son of the city’s de-facto Greek crime boss Peter (Pete the Greek) Katranis, is found shot in the back of the head in the trunk of his brand new Cadillac with his hands chopped off after getting caught freenlancing on the street and sucker punching Ronnie Morelli in a bar fight weeks before.

1972 – Detroit mob associate and numbers runner George Milkovich is murdered. Milkovich was linked to Joe Calabro and Nick Arvan, who were clipped two years prior.

1974 – Attorney Gerald Franklin, who represented infamous Detroit mob bagman-turned-government witness Peter (Birmingham Pete) Lazaros, is killed.

1974 – Ambitious furniture store owner and mob associate Harvey Leach is found in the trunk of his car in the parking lot of a suburban Detroit office building the day of his wedding while his business was in the process of being “busted out” and taken over by the Giacalone brothers. Leach was last seen on his way to a meeting with Tony Giacalone at the home of Giacalone “chief of staff” Lenny Schultz.

1974 – Detroit mob associate Ronnie Cohen suspiciously commits suicide while under subpoena to testify in a grand jury convened to investigate the Harvey Leach hit.

1974 – Saginaw, Michigan numbers runner David DeLarosa is killed in a takeover of his policy business allegedly by Norman (Pete the Arm) Crawford, the top enforcer for Saginaw crew boss William (Billy Lee) Loiacano, the Giacalone brothers’ nephew.

1975 – Iconic Teamster Union president and notorious mafia associate Jimmy Hoffa disappears en route to a lunch meeting in Metro Detroit with Tony Giacalone, Lenny Schultz and his former close friend turned arch rival Anthony (Tony Pro) Provenzano of New York’s Genovese crime family. Hoffa was fighting with the mob in his bid to reclaim the union presidency following his five-year prison term for bribery, fraud and jury tampering.

1976 – Janice Stevens, the girlfriend of Detroit mobster Joseph (Big Joe) Berardo, is killed.

1976 – Detroit mobster Tommy LaBarrie, a frequently used strong arm for the Giacalone crew, is slain allegedly over the belief that he was stealing from his collection efforts.

1976 – Longtime Detroit mafia soldiers Nicolo (Nick the Executioner) Ditta, Frank (Frankie Rah Rah) Randazo & Joseph (Joe Goose) Siragusa, all in their 70s, are killed in a mob hit gone wrong when their intended victim, Ernie Kanakis, shoots all three to death in Randazzo’s basement.

1977 – Teamsters union treasurer and one-time Jimmy Hoffa confidant Otto Wendel is shot to death in his car in Livingston County, Michigan on the verge of testifying against Detroit mob captain Vincent (Little Vince) Meli in an extortion trial.

1978 – Detroit mob enforcer John Palmer, the last of the marked-for-death Sam DiMaggio hit team, vanishes after his release from a federal prison sentence.

1980 – Detroit mob associate John (Johnny Coach) Cociu, who co-owned the Black Orchid lounge with Giacalone crew protégé and African-American drug kingpin Francis (Big Frank Nitti) Usher, is found beheaded in the trunk of his car.

1981 – Detroit mafia soldier Carlo Licata, son of deceased L.A. mob boss Nick Licata and brother-in-law to Jack Tocco, dies suspiciously in his Bloomfield Hills, Michigan home on the six-year anniversary of the Jimmy Hoffa kidnapping and murder.

1983 – Detroit mob associate and nightclub owner Eddie Schave is killed and found stuffed in the trunk of his car.

1983 – Detroit mob associate and local businessman David Auer is slain and discovered shot in the back of the head and badly beaten in the trunk of his car in the parking lot of an area motel hours after leaving a nearby lunch meeting with reputed Giacalone crew member Bernard (Bernie the Jew) Schrott. Auer, Schrott’s business partner, was a Nazi-enthusiast who had fallen into debt to Billy Giacalone and after he died Schrott and Giacalone split a million-dollar life-insurance payout.

1984 – Veteran labor-union power and Detroit mob associate Ralph Proctor, a former close ally to Jimmy Hoffa, is shot to death inside his car which was parked in front of a Livonia, Michigan Chinese restaurant, less than an hour after heading to a meeting at the restaurant with fast-rising Detroit mafia figure Anthony (Chicago Tony) La Piana. Proctor was threatening to reveal mob secrets tied to the Teamsters if he wasn’t repaid a loan he gave an area union hall.

1985 – Detroit mob associates and bookmakers Gene Mancen & Freddy Sanderson, along with innocent bystander Laverio Teramine, who was meeting with Macen and Sanderson to collect winnings, were killed execution style in a suburban office building in what authorities dubbed the first step in a massive mafia-led consolidation of local gambling operations in the face of future casino legalization in the state.

1985 – Colleen Smith, the young girlfriend of feared Detroit mob hit man and enforcer Bernard (Bernie the Hammer) Marchesani, is found dead behind a Highland Park, Michigan motel, months before Marchesani is apprehended after five years on the run from the law dodging an extortion indictment.

1985 – Detroit mob associate and numbers lottery chief, Harold (Harry Mack) Maciarz, is killed.

1985 – Detroit mafia soldier Peter (Fast Pete) Cavataio is shot and tortured to death, found in a Southwest Detroit garage in the shadow of the Ambassador Bridge. The unpopular and out-of-control Cavataio, the brother in law of mob captain Fats Corrado, lasted less than two weeks after Corrado died of cancer before he was whacked and is the last made member of the crime family to be slain.

1985 – Detroit mob associate and bookie Jimmy Stabile, his wife Camille Stabile & friend I.T. Hill are killed, possibly over a debt Stabile owed or his connection to Cavataio, who he paid protection to.

1986 – Joe Sarno, a Toledo, Ohio mob figure working in Las Vegas for Detroit-linked interests in the local gaming industry, is found shot in the back of the head and floating in Nevada’s Lake Meade.

1989 – Detroit mob associate Frank Stramaglia dies of an intentional drug overdose in a hotel hot tub while under indictment in Florida with his big brother and alleged Mafioso Louis (Butch) Stramaglia and rumors spreading of his contemplating cooperating with the prosecutors in the case.

1989 – Detroit mob associate and drug dealer Mark Giancotti, Frank Stramaglia’s best friend, is shot to death in his car in a suburban shopping mall parking lot with some believing he was responsible for Stramaglia’s “hot dosing.”

1991 – Wiseguys Dennis Graziani & Tommy Gambini are killed in a Macomb County travel agency that doubled as a bookmaking and policy office by Detroit mob solider Antonio (Dago Tony) Ciraulo, who was beefing with mafia figures in New York and believed Graziani and Gambini had been sent to murder him. Ciraulo is the only member of the post-Prohibition Detroit mafia to be convicted of homicide charges.

1992 – Detroit mob associate, con man and drug dealer Feodies (Yellow Man) Shipp is murdered in a FBI-guarded hotel suite days after deciding to cooperate in a narcotics investigation he and his associates were targeted in. On the night of his murder at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, Tony Giacalone was hosting a party for him and his wife celebrating their 50-year wedding anniversary.

1993 – Detroit mob associate and bookie Tony Marino is stabbed to death and found stuffed in the trunk of his car in affluent Birmingham, Michigan.

1998 – Englishman gangster-turned-informant Peter McNeil is slain in witness protection in Great Britain after testifying against a Giacalone crew-backed drug smuggling operation out of Europe where the Detroit mob was bringing cocaine into the United States via freight ships carrying farm equipment.

2001 – John (John-John) Jarjosa, Jr., the son of convicted Detroit mob associate and strip-club overseer, John (J.J.) Jarjosa, Sr., is gunned down at a traffic light in a professional hit while driving his friend’s Corvette and his father away in prison.

2002 – Detroit mob associate Jerome (Jerry the Blade) Bianchette, a young protégé of and collector for deposed mob underboss Tony Zerilli, is shotgunned to death at a suburban construction site just two weeks following Zerilli’s RICO conviction and incarceration.

2007 – Drug-addled Detroit mob soldier Carlo Bommarito, the son of mafia capo Frank (Frankie the Bomb) Bommarito, is allegedly “hot-dosed” on orders of Billy Giacalone for the belief that he had been snitching.

Detroit ran such a well-oiled machine, they didn't have to be so violent.

Tony Pal who was appointed consigliere in 2014
Was in charge of Windsor according to the FBI, DEA and ATF.

Also according to them as of 2015 Detroit still runs everything up there Windsor CA.

Tony Pal passed away in 2019

https://gangsterreport.com/canadian-gangland-shooting-may-have-ties-to-detroit-underworld/

Good list Furio, the one that was a suicide is the one I would take out:

1989 – Detroit mob associate Frank Stramaglia dies of an intentional drug overdose in a hotel hot tub while under indictment in Florida with his big brother and alleged Mafioso Louis (Butch) Stramaglia and rumors spreading of his contemplating cooperating with the prosecutors in the case.

Its a list from gangster report. Anyway thanks for the infos.

Running Toronto? I'm not even sure that Detroit is truly running Detroit anymore. lol

Did u just say that Furio????....that is 2 funny..LMFAO!!!

I deleted several posts that contained racist words.. NO RACIAL, RELIGIOUS OR ETHNIC SLURS ARE ALLOWED ON ANY OF OUR BOARDS!

The blacks control Detroit and Baltimore,the most violent cities in the US.

I think when people say that the blacks control a certain city they mean the violent, nitty-gritty street-level crime, not on a Mafia/organized crime level. What's left of the mob, from what I've seen, are pursuing more sophisticated, lucrative crimes and aren't as much involved in the gritty cowboy crimes of decades past because these days they are high-risk, low-reward. The Goodfellas days of hijacking trucks and stealing plane cargo at gunpoint are over. Those type of crimes made the mob very visible and resulted in steady arrests.

No.

Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, Atlanta, Memphis, Cleveland and New Orleans are all cities where I'd say African American gangs are the number one force in organized crime. I'd count in Chicago as well, but in Chicago we also have to take Mexican gangs and what's left of the Outfit into consideration.

And I do think these type of drug gangs could be considered organized crime. It's definitely not as sophisticated or far-reaching or durable as LCN is, but the amount of weight these gangs move in the drug game is not to be underestimated. They make tons of money and in their communities they have quite a few tricks up their sleeves when it comes to money laundering. They're no LCN - nothing else is if we're being honest - but I don't think it's fair to dismiss them all as low-level street punks.

Maybe not low-level street punks, but I never found the drug world to be fascinating unless there's a mob angle. I don't care if they're moving as much weight as Noriega, still not the same. The mob to me has more swagger, the blood rituals, Family ties, old-world links, the structure, and far-flung and diversified rackets other than just drugs. I've literally seen all the movies and documentaries on black gangs, it's not the same.

Its like many clans in Naples. It are essentially gangs but control the territory and for this can easly sell large quantity of drugs.
The LCN until the 1970s was strong because had the little italies and control on their hoods.
The only difference is that a wiseguy will do anything for made more money and avoid prison or long sentences while the average black gangster doesnt fear the prison because his life isnt much better outside.

The black gangs in America are NOTHING compared to the Camorra clans in Italy. They have infiltrated all levels of society in Campania and even some northern cities, and the billion-dollar asset seizures proves that they are much bigger than any street gang in America.

I think we got way off topic here however, LCN used to supply the pimps/hustlers etc. in the minority neighborhoods going back to Prohibition, LCN would also act as a bank for numbers, in a lot neighborhoods, after prohibition then it was Cocaine, Heroin and than Crack.

At some point when American LCN stopped supplying the drugs gangs took over the neighborhoods and formed their relationships with cartels etc, the gangs formed their own relationships with their own suppliers no need to pay middle men when they can go direct to source for a better price.

Every ethnic group more or less controls the vices within their own communities and within their own people for a bunch of different reasons.

Chinese control the Chinese, The Hascid Jews control the Hascid Jewish neighborhoods ETC…

No surprises here.

Gang members do not always get opportunities to flip
When they do ALOT of them take to avoid jail, and most are never offered WitSec or anything like that.

More gang members cooperate in one year than LCN members have in the last 70-80 years.

Not all clans have the power to be more than a street level organization that be disbanded after the first arrests.

Most recently, highly structured African American gangs have made headlines for their ability to pull in hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal drug profits. At their peak, the Chicago-based Gangster Disciples were reported to generate $100 million in drug revenue. The rise and fall of the Detroit-based Black Mafia Family, which made nearly $250 million through their drug trafficking ventures during the late 1990s, has been brought to light by federal investigations.

The young gangsters in Italy are even inspired by the gangsta rap culture lol.

Take the most lousy, piece of shit Camorra clan and compare it to the most lowly African-American street gang, the least powerful and unorganized Camorra clan will win every time. Same thing if you compare the most powerful, drug-rich African-American gang to the most powerful Camorra clan, the Camorra clan will still win. I guess we could draw comparisons between the most powerful African-American gang to the least powerful Camorra clan and of course the African-Americans would win, but that wouldn't be a fair comparison now would it?

As far as young Italian gangsters being inspired by gangsta rap culture, that goes both ways. Likewise, many hip-hop artists are inspired by the Italian mob, in fact many artists are named after Italian mobsters as well as other American outlaws, everyone is inspired by someone. I'm not sure if some young, teenage Italian gangsters on the streets of Naples even matter, I'm sure they're certainly mocked and scoffed at by the big Camorra bosses who command solid clans and whose tentacles reach into all levels of Campanian society. I'm sure those young punk Camorristi are inspired by them too.

Inspired in what way?
They like some rap songs?

Rap is music from their era how and why does that even matter?

In the 60’s I am sure the young Cosa Nostra generation liked some Beatles songs, what is the point?

Nope. The young camorristi listen the neo melodici singers that are the opposite of gangster rap even if have the same values:easy money, power and women.

Yall crack me up man.... you do realize there are ACTUAL POWERFUL black gangs in Sicily and Naples, right? Maphites, Black Axe, some other one I forget, all charged with mafia association in Italy.

What's this thing where people always want to compare gangs like the Bloods with the mafia?

And bro.. let me tell you something.... if the FBI had waited until 2005 or 2015 and not 1995 to move on Hoover. Who knows? Maybe Chicago would look different. Not because of drug money, but because you would had a gang looking to control blocks of Votes. And THATS how you bind yourself to politicians. If they, the FBI, simply let ANY criminal organization run rampant for 50 years like they did with the mob... some kinda evolution is gonna be inevitable...

Also if you keep with contemporary developments in Sicily....
You get stuff like this...


The prefect of Palermo Giuseppe Forlani: "Mafia infiltrations between waste and trade. Palermo does not back down"
by Salvo Palazzolo
Prefect Forlani with Minister Lamorgese
On Friday he will retire, the balance of two years of work in Sicily. In recent months 19 bans for companies at risk of conditioning. "Cosa nostra resists the blows inflicted, we have recorded the return of old figures through unsuspected"

There is a word that he repeats while analyzing the data on the companies he has banned in the last two years for the risk of mafia infiltration: return. "We noticed the return with different corporate structures of entrepreneurs who had gone to operate in other parts of Italy - says the prefect of Palermo Giuseppe Forlani - even there they had ended up at the attention of the prefectures. A new circumstance to be analyzed also thanks to the information potential of the National Anti-Mafia Database".
Prefect Forlani will retire on September 30, after two and a half years in Palermo, but he is still in full swing: "The city must not stop looking ahead - he says - it has enormous potential, and must face its problems with determination".

The investigations of the prosecutor's office also speak of a return, the return of the old mafia families after the end of the Corleonese era. A return characterized by capital never seized. In which sectors did the banned companies operate?
"In 2022, we issued 19 bans against companies engaged in the sectors of waste disposal, construction, trade, earthmoving. In recent years, companies operating in the betting sector, social and health services and agriculture have also emerged. It is a complex and rigorous work that has brought out the mafia infiltrations, it is above all a work on a wide range of cases: 16 thousand releases have also been issued to the bodies that asked for information".

The theme of waste also returns in the interdictions of other Sicilian prefectures. Are there any connections?
"The failure to solve the waste problem at the regional level has led to spaces in which someone has managed to fit in. A system characterized by the recurrence of entrepreneurial subjects in contact with Cosa Nostra has come to light".

Despite arrests and kidnappings, the mafia organization continues to show great ability to reorganize. Why do you think that is?

"In the current dynamics, a considerable influx of money comes from drug trafficking and dealing, which today represents a great danger for our children. The age of users is getting lower and lower and the most widely used substances, in particular cocaine and synthetic drugs, are very dangerous to health even if the effects are delayed and users are able to maintain normal social relationships immediately. The attention must remain maximum especially on young people, crack is a serious threat: sometimes, manifestations of violence are closely linked to the spread of drugs".

Meanwhile, the suburbs have returned to being drug supermarkets.
"Great is the commitment of the police forces in the prevention and contrast of drug trafficking, speak h hi y I

True but over the years the Italian hip hop scene has become one of Europe's largest hip hop markets, all created through an an extensive list of top Italian rap artists.