J. COLOMBOS DEATH

Always found it a bit strange that the true story of Joe C's killing at the rally has never been established. Or who shot dead Jerome Johnson? surely, there was photographers snapping away. I mean the main man is there, how did Johnsons killer evade getting photographed.

Currently reading the carlo gambino book (1st pub.1973) and some gambino porn guy named Umbers was associated with Johnson.

Joe Gallo is the usual suspect for being behind it. He was ,allegedly, meant to be a enemy of Joe Colombo.

Where did a ' bum' like Johnson get a movie camera ( I assume v expensive 1971)?

None of the above!

Where is the choice for LE combo of FBI and Police? I say Scrpa helped FBI and the NYPD may have been in on it. So no choice given is correct.

I’m going to have to think about this over a few drinks tonight; Only 15 mins from leaving.

It could be a combination of things….

Some internal… other bosses; etc…

Im curious to what your opinion is NYM

There's a lot of people here who subscribe to the theory put forth by Colombo's son Anthony Colombo and his shill co-author Don Capria, who had zero writing credits to his name previously, never graduated college and failed as a rock band promoter. They claim the FBI and N.Y.P.D. conspired to murder Colombo because he was becoming too powerful as head of the I.A.C.R.L. and was a threat as a "model" Italian American.
However, if you follow the facts it becomes clearly apparent that Jerome Johnson was involved in the Gambino NYC porn operation as a cameraman and the underage sex trafficking in the West Village and the Stonewall Inn, with connections to Gambino Associates Mike Umbers and Ed "The Skull" Murphy , both of whom were connected to Gambino Soldier Mike DiBella. Further, Johnson's last known residence was a storefront on Elizabeth St in Little Italy connected to DiBella, where checks made out to Johnson were found from a business front linked to porn broker Joe "Bikini" Brochinni. The man suspected of killing Johnson, Colombo bodyguard Phillip Rossillo who allied with the dominant Carmine Persico faction after Colombo's death.

Funny I just completed a video about the Colombo shooting that I shot at the original Columbus Circle location, will share with you when it's uploaded.

Running theories I've heard:

#1. Joe Gallo.

Why it's possible: He was at odds with Colombo and recruited black people to work with him.


Problem with this theory: There is no evidence connecting Jerome Johnson to Gallo, Gallo would be a marked man for killing a boss.

#2. Carlo Gambino.

Why it's possible? He despised Colombo being in the spotlight and drawing attention to LCN. So not only did he plan the hit, he hired a black shooter to frame Gallo.

Poblem with this theory? What could possibly bring more attention to LCN than having a boss killed in a media covered event in front of thousands of people?

#3. Gallo and Gambino conspired together.

Why it's possible? They both wanted Colombo gone and Gallo had the connections to put a random black guy up to the job.

Problem with this theory? A few, including the problem I just mentioned in #2 and the thought of Gambino conspiring with a thug like Gallo.

#4. Jerome Johnson was a lone gunman (the weakest of all theories). What would some random 25 year old black man from New Jersey want to kill a crime boss in New York for?

Anthony Abbatemarco.

Total BS, which a nutcase who had a website used to put up, Capria wrote a great book, and unlike your tall tale, others claimed many years ago that it was the FBI including Michael Franzese. Do you seriously think that the Mafia hired a porno cameraman who was not a killer to do this? I guess you are into all those gay bar--mafia conspiracy theories.

Scapa worked with the FBI (Anyone want to dispute that?) Scarpa was there, so was the FBI. Johnson was given fake media credentials, and had a woman with him who was allowed by both the FBI and police to escape (Anyone want to dispute that?)
A man with no killing experience was given press credentials, he got close to Columbo with his companion, then after shooting Columbo was shot dead, yet not a single FBI or Detective there saw who did it!! Yeah, sure. Columbo's own son even said it was not the Mafia before he passed away.

Colombo wasn't shot dead, he survived for 7 years.

He spit in the boss of BOSSES FACE

Anyone foolish enough to do that will find themselves waking up dead shortly thereafter.

Obviously Johnson was a pawn and was probably paid a couple of hundred dollars adjusted for inflation in todays dollars probably equivalent to $10K

Sounds familiar the gang member who was the Zottola shooter was supposed to be paid either $10K each or $10K total to carry out the hits.

You can see why Johnson was killed
Dead men tell no tales or he would have been on the witness stand.

Turnbull, this member just made this thread personal with his comment. " I guess you are into all those gay bar--mafia conspiracy theories. " it's not the first time he's provoked me and other members with inflammatory comments. You can't hold me accountable when I flame his him in front of the entire community, ok. He has repeatedly made incendiary comments and hides behind keyboard like a girl. He does this when I make comments about the DeMeo Crew and then passively/aggressively becomes amicable and agreeable, he needs to back up and leave me alone or I will flame every fricking comment he makes again.Word to my Mother

Organized crime, the Italian mob, had absolutely, positively, nothing to do with the attempted assassination of Joe Colombo that fateful day in Manhattan's Columbus Circle. Nothing! Nada! Zero!

Did they hate him? Did they want him dead? Would they have killed him if they had the chance to? Definitely! But that doesn't mean they did it, or had a hand in it in any way, shape, or form.

That is a fiction created by the media, local law enforcement, the FBI, the U.S. Justice Department, certain uninformed segments of the mob itself, and the general public who were (and still are) clueless to what happened that day.

And the follow up killing of Crazy Joe Gallo at Umberto's Clam House that next year was more of the same. A "still confused" mob, still reeling from Colombo's shooting, and still assuming Gallo was behind that shooting, sent in a hit team to finish off Gallo, who had been a "thorn in their side" for many years to begin with, regardless of his "assumed" involvement in the Colombo incident.

I'm not going to go into the semantics and particulars of Joe Colombo's shootings. But for those of you interested in learning the what really happened, against the backdrop, tempo, and atmosphere back in the early 1970s, I wrote a pretty extensive biography about Joe Colombo's life, career, and the causes for his shooting where I debunk lots of these myths, which is available on the ButtonGuys of The New York Mafia website.

PS: The more knowledgeable wiseguys within the mob itself damn well "knew" they had nothing to do with the shooting, and after the smoke cleared came to realize WHO was behind the attempted assassination. Bosses, skippers, and key wiseguys understood or were told in "whispered confidence" where things stood...No more need one said!

NYM, with all due respect. You're knowledgeable in many areas but this is a debate, and your word isn't good enough in this case. You want to undermine the investigation by Albert Seedman and the NYPD with no credible, factual evidence other than referring to your website, I'm not going to sign up just to discuss this thread. If you have credible factual evidence to support your position, you should post it here, now.

I appreciate your response and viewpoint CNote, but with all due respect to you everything you posted up as the "reasoning" linking Gallo to the shooting is all fluff and nonsense that was put out there by different sources to either try and make a square peg fit into a round hole, or put out there to the media "on purpose" to further "muddy the waters" and divert possible suspicion away from the real culprits. And THATS a fact!

Every single "line" of so-called piece of "circumstantial evidence" leading back to Gallo as the orchestrator becomes threadbare once you truly look at it from an informed standpoint. Lots of little "nothings" that really lead to nowhere, that at the time those innocent persons in law enforcement were truly trying to solve the case gathered up in an attempt to try and make sense of this crime.

It's all bullshit! ALL OF IT!

I'm going to leave you with one thought (if you can wrap your head around it)....just remember the "Grassy Knoll" theory? It may be difficult for many laypeople to grasp that this could happen in America. But if thats your line of thinking...then you'd better think again my friend!

I am telling you right here and now, that top wiseguys later clearly understood who was behind the Colombo shooting. (And it wasn't Gallo or ANY other wiseguy for that matter).

Will we ever know for sure? Of course not! Thats like trying to solve and say who really was behind the killing of JFK, RFK, MLK, etc.

NYM, we've had this this discussion before and to this date you haven't put one iota of information to support your attempt to undermine the facts from the NYPD investigation led by Chief Albert Seedman, who was a good cop. Your opinion, which is all you have without facts to support it, carries no weight in this forum. You expect members to take your word for it, sorry debate doesn't work that way. As far as the grassy knoll theory, anyone who knows about the Kennedy Assassination is familiar with Howard Donhue theory which is the most probable based on the facts.

First off, I'm not saying that Albert Seedman was not a "good cop" as you say, or that he was complicit in any underhanded activity. To the contrary, I suspect that he and many other NYPD officials may have also been led down the primrose path.

And number two, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just stating what I believe to be the truth regarding the Colombo incident. Obviously you are free to come to your own conclusions about what really happened (and it seems to me that you already have). The last time I checked America was a free country. We are all free to decide for ourselves.

Correct, but a bit technical. He was there to shoot him dead, and was responsible for his eventual death by shooting him.

Seedman was not a good cop, he was s sadist and got in any controversies. H once almost ruined a mureder case by forcing a suspect to show his face to the media by grabbing his head and (The suspect was covering his face) and holding it up by grabbing the guy's hair. Seedman stood there gloating. Luckily his dump stunt did not get the guy off on a civil rights violation, which it almost did.

Check out this video Ice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsCB7bPEeFk

Folks, this is a very interesting thread, with a lot of erudite comments. But, it's beginning to get uncivil. Please, let's keep it going without personal comments or flaming.

. You’re a well respected member CNote. Best just to ignore garbage comments like that. As for the topic at hand I think you make some interesting points. I also agree with NYMafia that we will probably never get a definitive answer

I’m going to weigh in;

I believe Carmine Persico was involved (directly/and indirectly if that makes sense) Most people never include him in the Joe Colombo hit because (Persico and Colombo were friends) but think about it;

Carmine Persico had a lot to gain after Colombo’s death. He became boss and had some support from other bosses; some of the family and his crew… He was able to install Tom DiBella as a front…; etc…

I honestly think this was a internal and commission approved hit. (Mostly Carlo Gambino scheming)

Persico was involved in some way with this hit….

I don’t know why people never mention this much.

What’s everyone thought?

CNOTE- your posts are greatly appreciated.

FYI… There is a certain female poster on here that provoked me a couple of times.
I usually do not engage however, a couple of times I felt I had to set the record straight.

My advice is to BLOCK HER, that is what I did you will no longer see any of her posts.
Basically our way to BAN a poster.

Definitely an interesting take, a a real possibility if you ask Me. because Carlo would not take out Columbo until he had his own man taking over in my opinion, someone who was in his corner.
He would not ok a hit on a Boss without knowing and approving who was going to take over, and he sure wasn't going to support Joe Gallo, in my opinion.
I don't know if you are right Z, but its a good theory that is a legit possibility in my eyes.

So much for not stirring things up, I will respond: JCrusher, all you do is wait for me to have any type of disagreement, even peceful ones, to weigh in with your crap. So your opinion here is fake and worthless.

JCrusher and Bensonhurst are not listening, I am not going to sit by if they keep it up.

How about we ban you instead?

Jace, do you never get tired of insulting whoever disagrees with you about anything whatsoever? You never provide any constructive criticism, all you do is insulting, getting personal etc. While Bensonhurst's suggestion to block you makes sense, but your rants are so amusing that I am still curious about the reason why you NEVER keep it civil and respectful.

. . Certainly an interesting theory. Not sure I totally agree but certainly not a out there sort of theory. I definitely could see Carlo having something to do with it given the attention Colombo was raising at the time

. Great Post! Nothing wrong with having different opinions. In fact it makes for more interesting conversation in many cases but there MUST be civility and respect

Drop dead A-hole. Why are you even here?

And of course, you again. Turnbull: This creep JCrusher, as I have pointed out, lurks waiting for anyone to disagree with me or insult me, then jumps in with a compliment for them. Either you can't see it TURNBULL, you are ignoring it it.

In this case, to confirm how uneducated and rude you are.

I don't think so, because Persico would have been caught if he was lucky enough to pull it off, The man was tough, but not smart at all. Plus he had Scarpa ratting him out behind his back. It was a complicated killing, with a lot of covering up involved, Perscio just wasn't smart enough IMO.

Thanks for that, unlike JCrusher, at least you give your true motive. As for the uneducated and rude comment, I see you also don't care about Turnbull telling people to knock it off. OH, before I forget: Shove it Dwalin.

CUT THE CRAP ALREADY or I'll close this thread and put some folks on vacation... Stay on topic or don't post anything at all! Please!

Geez...I guess everybody forgot about that 1....good show Ice..by the way... luv ur videos.

Now......can anybody pronounce the relationship that was in the 60s between the Bruno fam.& the Columbo fam???....Serp know's....????

The History goes way back to the 1920s. Salvatore Lombardino of the Colombos and Pennestre of Philadelphia.

Thank you, that went on way too long.

Back to the Joe C hit!

If you look at the case objectively and do some research the possible scenarios are narrowed down to 5.
1). Jerome Johnson was a lone shooter
2). Jerome Johnson was recruited by the Gallos
3). Jerome Johnson was recruited by Gambino/Commission
4). Jerome Johnson was recruited by the BLA
5). Jerome Johnson was recruited by FBI
While there is some evidence to support each of these theories, when fully reviewed it becomes more apparent who had the motive, opportunity and means to kill Joe Colombo in June of 1971.
Albert Seedman WAS a good cop, the accusation that he was a sadist because he mushed someone's face on a perp walk, is tempered by the fact that the perp, Tony Dellernia, was a lowlife scumbag cop-killer. The NYPD investigation provided much of the factual information about this case including Johnson's possessions, personal history up to the shooting, whereabouts prior to the shooting and connection to the NYC Sex Trade Operation in Manhattan and the Gambino Family through that sex trade operation.. Johnson was an associate of Ed"Skull"Murphy, one of the worst bottom feeder, sex predators, spawned in the gutters of Gotham. Murphy in turn, was a close associated with Mike Umbers, another bottom feeder connected to the Gambino Family through Soldier Paul DiBella and bizarrely connected to the movie Dog Day Afternoon in 1975 starring Al Pacino.
When the facts are reviewed, it becomes clear that some of these theories are more evident than others.
The theories put forth by the Colombo Family are the most lacking in factual evidence and are mostly anecdotal. The premise that Greg Scarpa, Lin DeVecchio and the FBI assassinated Colombo is undermined by the facts that Scarpa had stopped informing in 1966 and that while Lin DeVecchio was part of the FBI investigation into the assassination, he had no connection to Scarpa at the time and there is no evidence of the corruption he was later accused of as Scarpa's handler many years later. The attempt to link the illegal CoIntelpro Operation as part of the conspiracy, is laughable.
The first person to point fingers at the FBI was Fr. Louis Gigante, the embodiment of the Saturday Night Live character Fr. Guido Sarducci, who would later be an accused pederast. Gigante, brother to future Genovese Boss Vincent Gigante, pointed fingers at the FBI after Colombo's assassination, stating that."They've been known to do this before.". Anthony Colombo, Joe's son, picked up the call shortly afterwards. Another Colombo soldier, Cantalupo, became an FBI informant later on and stated that the FBI was involved but never provided evidence to support his allegation.

Scapa did not stop informing in 1966, he was ratting out people into the 1990's, and was a rat through the 1970's. The CoIntelpro Operation was in full swing, so that does factor in.

Good points, but who would you include in the poll as having done it?

Wrong and as usual with no facts to back up.
It is well documented that Scarpa stopped informing until DeVecchio persuaded him to come back in 1987, check the facts.
CoIntelpro was illegal but the only connection was due to Kahane's association with the IACRL against the BLA. There's no connection between Columbo's assassination and CoIntelpro.

There are facts there, you just need to look at them objectively.

Put them up and I'll look at them.

A New York Times article on Murphy from 1975.

https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/31/archives/exconvict-brings-smiles-to-the-retarded.html

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/did-the-fbi-kill-my-fathe_b_9190980

Lots of evidence in this story, a good one by J. R. de Szigethy


https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

Tom Robbins writing in The New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/in-the-mafias-shadow-a-son-honors-his-father

Nice story about Murphy but it only scrapes the surface.
Murphy had been born in Manhattan's Greenwich Village to Italian and Irish parents. Much of Murphy's youth was spent in the robbing of Dentist's offices for the bounty to be found in the gold that was used to make gold teeth. When Murphy was finally caught, he spent 10 years in prison. Once free, Murphy accelerated the body building habit he had acquired in prison by using anabolic steroids to bulk up. This allowed Murphy, still a young man, to enter the world of "professional wrestling." Such a "sport" existed on the fringes of the American Mafia. Although steroids were not illegal at that time, the drugs were an integral part of operations run by three syndicates in New York that would later be called the Colombo, Gambino, and Genovese families. These families would provide steroids to young body builders, and such men could then be exploited into a number of sidelines; work as bodyguards for mobsters, bouncers at bars, the world of professional wrestling, professional prostitution, both gay and straight, and the production of X-rated films. The Colombo Family were masters of these rackets, and would eventually change the adult entertainment business forever with their production of the movie "Deep Throat," which would rake in millions of dollars for the Family.
That's from another article by J. R. de Szigethy
https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

These are the theories promoted by Anthony Colombo and the Colombo Family in order to portray Joe Colombo in the most favorable light. It is based on anecdotal accounts and is the weakest factually.

. Yeah the first two options are probably the most logical. However it certainly one of those things kind of like the Hoffa disappearance that we will never get a definitive answer on

Well, if you say what you put up are facts, and anything opposing is only speculation or anecdotal accounts, others could turn it around and say the same. All sources are anecdotal accounts when you think of it.

C-Note, that last link you put up the same story I posted earlier, it isn't another one.

Me and Cnote both posted this, so it is worth s read. If you read the links we both gave above disregard, if not:


https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

Albert Seedman WAS a good cop, the accusation that he was a sadist because he mushed someone's face on a perp walk, is tempered by the fact that the perp, Tony Dellernia, was a lowlife scumbag cop-killer.



Tony Dellernia was acquitted, retried on a technicality, and acquitted again.

The difference is that the anecdotal evidence from the Colombo Family is obviously going to be slanted towards portraying Joe Colombo in the most favorable light. Are you seriously stating Anthony Colombo is going to admit his father was a gangster and racketeer, profiting from the misery of others? They deny that the Mafia ever existed and that Joe Colombo was head of the Colombo family.

Ok you're correct it is the same article, however, it still doesn't provide any facts to support your position.
I actually meant to cite this other article by the same author J. R. de Szigethy

PART TWO: ED �SKULL� MURPHY AND THE FBI

The FBI's protection of Ed Murphy began many years before their protection of James �Whitey� Bulger and Jeffrey Epstein, but it is essentially the same story. Murphy was also a pedophile who preyed upon vulnerable youths whom were teenagers. His victims were young boys.
First, he sexually assaulted these boys, plying them with illegal drugs. Once under his sexual and financial control, Murphy then pimped these boys out to rich and prominent closeted gay men, many of whom he then extorted from significant amounts of cash and commodities as blackmail.
Like Whitey Bulger, Murphy was sent to prison for several years as a young man and when he got out he vowed to never go back, even though he was committed to his profession; that of a career criminal. Like Bulger after him, Murphy found that he could be protected from Prosecution by serving the FBI as their Informant. Also, like Bulger, Murphy would perpetuate the false narrative that he was some sort of �folk hero� within his own community. The investigations of Ed Murphy by the Media and law enforcement escalated regarding a notorious American Mafia crime committed in broad daylight in Manhattan in 1971. The man who committed this crime had organized crime connections that led investigators to Ed Murphy and his associates, who were also involved with the American Mafia. The date was June 28, 1971; the location, Columbus Circle in Manhattan. It was Colombo's Second �Italian Unity Day� celebration for his �Italian-American Civil Rights League,� an organization he had created the year previous that perpetuated the false narrative that there was no such thing as the American Mafia. As preposterous as that narrative was, it had actually for many years been championed by the Founding Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover was forced to drop this false narrative when Bobby Kennedy became his �Boss� as Attorney General of the United States. attendance were numerous members of the Media, some armed with cameras, members of the New York City Police Department, Agents of the FBI, members of several New York Mafia Families, and other criminals. One such was Jerome A. Johnson, a young African-American from New Jersey, accompanied by a young African-American female. Adorned with fake Press credentials, nothing seemed out of the ordinary as Johnson followed Godfather Colombo around with his film camera, along with his assistant. Then, the young woman, as if on cue, called out a greeting to the Godfather. Colombo turned to face her. Johnson now held in his hands both a camera and a gun, which may have been secreted to him by his female accomplice. He then opened fire on Colombo at close rang. Several Mafia members then jumped upon Johnson, one of them pumping three bullets into the assassin's back. Despite the presence of dozens of cops, both Johnson's accomplice and the man who killed Johnson managed to get away. (4) Somehow, in the presence of dozens of reporters, not a single photograph emerged publicly of the young female accomplice of Johnson as she fled the scene, nor the Mafia Associate who killed her accomplice.
https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_574.html

Uggh, I can't believe you're trying to defend this lowlife Skel. Dellernia walked on the charge but he was the driver of the getaway car for two convicted cop killers, so he beat the rap but everyone knows he's a cop killer, straight up. I just talked to a friend on mine from Queens, who worked for the DOJ on the Organized Crime Task Force, he ran into Seedman a few times and told me Seedman was a no bullshit cop who wasn't afraid to break protocol. He always respectful and always chomped on an unlit cigar, this is only 2 degrees of separation from Chief Seedman, you can't get much closer than that. If you want I'll post the chat thread for your review.

He was acquitted of being the driver or having anything to do with it. How is he a lowlife? Seedman had no business doing what he did. Seedman was also a suspect in corruption scandals, but like a lot of other cops he was protected by the department. The Knapp Commission almost had him.

So who in your opinion was it?

. Yup Seedman was definitely a no nonsense cop but I think he had to be during that tumultuous time dealing with a lot of criminals/killers. Definitely paved the way for the younger generation of cops coming up.

Tony Dellernia beat two trial for the same case, not guilty twice, how can anyone call him guilty? As for Seedman breaking protocol that means beating suspects and other wrong things. Sorry, but to me a great cop was Frank Serpico, s people's cop, not a cop's cop.

. Have you had a chance to read Seedman’s book Chief? It’s a good one!

Def would make sense to have the likely successor/Capo with the strongest crew in the know and in his corner to avoid a possible war.

At that point in time he was the undisputed “BOSS OF BOSSES” so I would imagine he was more tElling than asking….

Give Persico the “KNOD” and let him know that he will support his ascension to the top, so Persico knows he has the backing of the commission if anyone in the family or outside tried to intervien.

Gambino gets rid of a (“DIS-RESPECTFUL HEAD-ACHE).
Persico gets the “CROWN”
Colombo takes a “DIRT-KNAP”

Just another “DAY IN THE LIFE” in “THIS THING OF OURS”

Colombo was shot in June '71 and Crazy Joe Gallo in April '72 somehow these hits were related.

I think they had been looking to kill Gallo since the 1960's. He got overconfident and went to Little Italy. He had been hanging out with celebrities for a few years so they could not touch him. They say the nickname "Crazy" came from LE, but he was really a nut.

@Bensonhurst.

Carmine Persico was a captain with the biggest crew and he had the backing of the commission; but I have to tell you…: He had something to do with Joe Colombo’s death….

How could he not??

Why do people overlook this?

A captain becoming a boss out of no where?? He was in prison also.

I think he was just the logical choice. It is the smallest family, and Persico was one of the few on top. If he was in prison at the time he may not have become boss right away. Imagine if Scarpa had become boss? He was an undercover informer working with the FBI, as much damage as he did, as boss it would have been worse.

Let us not forget that Persico was part the Gallo crew whom Gambino incited to rebel against Profaci originally. Then, after Colombo was shot, Chubby Rossillo shoots and kills Jerome Johnson, who had ties to the Gambino Family, Persico takes Rossillo under his wing and gives him a button and places him under a good Capo. Clearly, the connection between Persico and Gambinos becomes stronger after reviewing the history between them.

Was it ever proven that Rossilio shot Johnson, I thought they did not know who killed him after he shot Columbo.

I think probably the cops and/or FBI shot Johnson, and letting the Mob take credit for it was easier than investigating themselves. As to whether they put Johnson up to the job, that's more difficult to know. But it's certainly possible.

Agree, plus they let the media run with any story any way they wanted to create several myths.

Makes sense to me.
One thing for sure this was NOT a random event.

Just really look at who had motive, who stood to gain the most and out of this and that is the most logical answer.

Not for the sake of simply being contrary, (but in my opinion, my gut, and in the gut of those who were in a position to know at the time), I strongly strongly disagree with the theory that Junior had anything at all to do with Joe's shooting. And for that matter, nor did Carlo Gambino or any other wiseguy or connected guy have a hand in his shooting. The mob was simply NOT involved at all, but was thrown out there to the gullible public and even to many other crime figures, who were not in the know, as a "red herring" so to speak!

And IMO, that is the bottomline truth to Colombo's Columbus Day shooting!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is nothing wrong with trying to persuade another person to your point of view. This topic is never going to get resolved and has been beat like a dead horse.
Here's the last thread about it, that resulted in like three bannings..
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1004708&page=1

I agree with you and Colombo's son that the feds did it...Who would take a contract job in front of 100,000 people unless they thought they had the ultimate protection behind them ?? Then when he does the job, he's killed, and confirmed as the shooter but nobody saw the guy who killed him ??

It was discussed before, but the banning of those people were not over that topic. They were all having other disputes here that led to the banning on separate occasions for each one. You're right about it being like beating a dead horse. I thought the book should have persuaded some people to see it from a different perspective, but it did only little.

NONE ABOVE

Not that no one seen it.
No one would talk back then.

It was a different world.

If you were Italian from Bensonhurst or you were not Italian and from Bensonhurst
And you talked you opened yourself and your family to a whole world of bad possibilities.

One of them the Label that you talk to the cops feds etc.

I respect your work and can tell that we’re around the “LIFE”.

Colombo was killed by the FBI.

I have heard this before never paid attention to it mostly because the son who told the story was a real “FINOCCHIO”

The story about Colombo spitting in in Gambino’s face is not true?
If it is true, are you telling me that Spitting in the “BOSS OF BOSSES” face is NOT a death sentence.

You also telling me that it was ok for the “BOSS” of one of the 5 families, it was ok for him to bring the attention that he brought?

On T.V. Radio and Print….

Back then that was NOT a death sentence?

You still had all the old school bosses at the helm.

For what reason would the FBI want to kill Colombo?

The FBI had no reason to kill Colombo. The IACRL was actually a good thing for the FBI. No a majority were not with the families, but it allowed the FBI to take notice of members who joined to be looked into and be put on the radar. The Colombo family had many members, followed by the Gambinos, and Lucchese. The Bonannos and Genovese also had a few of their members identified from it. The extortion was ludacris and allowed the FBI to take a closer look. What I mean is, is that families would tell Italian store and shopkeepers to put the sticker on their window and pay a fee or else. No, not all the stores were extorted or theated as most shopkeepers had no problem as they felt the organization was making a difference.

I already gave my answer on who I believe was responsible and there is a trail. Lots of trails actually. One thing is this, the Commission did not give the Ok, and did their investigation, which pointed to within the Colombo family. They automatically suspected the Gallos, although Joe was already their number two suspect, the number one suspect is probably lost to history.

The FBI had every reason to do it, he was standing up to them with success and drawing attention to their tactics.

I always suspected him ever since he told Danny about his "family ties"