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Posted By: merlino
Lake Mead, NV - 07/27/22 11:45 PM
Pretty crazy they are getting bodies out of Lake Mead outside of Vegas, since it started to dry up this Summer and the guys were found with with gunshot wounds and also a guy in a barrel. Be interesting to find out who they are once they are ID'd.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/more-human-remains-found-amid-receding-water-levels-on-lake-mead/
....IF they are ever ID'd.
Lansky had two guys killed and sent into the lake, New York Genovese hitman is said to have dumped half a dozen bodies in the lake from 1950s to 1960s, Los Angeles family associate is said to have been dumped in the lake. No telling who is in the lake. But not George Vandermark or William Crespo. I believe that Vandermark was killed by Jimmy LaPietra and a couple of other Chicago associates in Arizona and buried there. Crespo disappeared before he was set to testify at a trial, but was lured by an old acquaintance from Miami to a meeting, which was a trap. Crespo gets labeled as a mob hit, but everything points to old ties before Crespo hooked up with the mob, his body won't be found in Nevada, and the rumor is that the Puerto Ricans dismembered him.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/01/22 07:19 PM
A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all fuckin' night.
Posted By: merlino
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/03/22 12:32 AM
A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all fuckin' night.
hahahah....awesome!!
Posted By: mike68
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/03/22 12:24 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/03/us/lake-mead-remains-homicide-investigation-autopsies/index.htmlTheories of mob involvement in the Hemenway Harbor Doe's death began to swirl as soon as details emerged that the remains were found inside a barrel. Those ideas were fueled even more when police announced the victim was likely killed at a time when organized crime had a strong grasp on Las Vegas.
But those ideas are "mere speculation" at this point in the investigation, Johansson said, denying that there is any solid evidence to support mob theories.
"Yes, Vegas does have a history in the past where we had a connection to violent crime, to organized crime back in the '60s, the 70s," he said. "However, right now, there's nothing in this investigation that is directly tying it organized crime."
At its height in 1983, Lake Mead was 1,225 feet above sea level. But as the climate crisis fuels a prolonged mega-drought in the West, the lake, which serves as the nation's largest reservoir, has plummeted to sobering levels. This year it hit its lowest level since it was filled in the 1930s.
One possible scenario for the second two remains is that they belong to people who previously drowned at the lake when water levels were high, a National Parks Service spokesperson told CNN. Recovery divers are limited on how deep they can go, so some drowning victims' remains do not get recovered, they said.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/14/22 08:20 PM
Interesting article hypothesises who the victims could be. Several men with mob links listed.
article
Posted By: BensonHURST
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/17/22 09:33 PM
I believe they are up to 5 now.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/17/22 11:44 PM
I bet much of this was ordered by Chicago
Posted By: BensonHURST
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/25/22 04:27 AM
I heard today they are saying there are 100's of bodies in the river.
This might be where ALIITE has been dumping his bodies
Posted By: merlino
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/25/22 02:43 PM
Scott Burnstein's latest podcast talks about Lake Mead and some info of how Spilotro was thinking of taking over the entire Chicago outfit
Posted By: BensonHURST
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/28/22 07:54 AM
Scott knows his SHIT.
Posted By: NYMafia
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/28/22 08:38 AM
Scott Burnstein's latest podcast talks about Lake Mead and some info of how Spilotro was thinking of taking over the entire Chicago outfit
I think thats largely a fallacy. How was he supposed to do that, from Vegas? He resided in Nevada. He didn't even run a crew of inducted members if memory serves me. For all his notoriety and newspaper print, Tony Spilotro was only a soldier rank. He didn't even have a contingent of "soldiers" under him. So how was he supposed to pull off "seizing" the entire Chicago Outfit out from under a large hierarchy of inducted Mafia capos and dozens and dozens of soldiers? By magic?
Unsubstantiated law enforcement and media rumors circle around and around until these "false" storylines gain traction. Within a few decades these silly rumors become "gospel."
But, for me anyway, thats all they are. BS and false rumors.
Spilotro's "Hole in the Wall Gang" largely consisted of a rag-tag bunch of "uninitiated" local hoodlums and heist guys of varied ethnicities who followed his dictates in Vegas. Most of these fellows didn't even understand the depth or machinations of Cosa Nostra, or the membership that comprised it back in Chi-Town, let alone had the desire or wherewithal to attempt such a MASSIVE power play.
Posted By: jace
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/28/22 05:17 PM
Spilatro was not even the top man in Vegas, other families had people there too. He may not have even ben the top Chicago guy there, or maybe he was. The story of him taking over the entire Chicago Outfit is geared towards casual mob observers or morons. If Martin Scorsese does not make the movie Casino, his name might not even come up.
Actually that story of Spilotro thinking of taking over Chicago might actually have some merit. Jack Locicero and Angelo Polizzi had a meeting with Tony Spilotro in California, one informer said that it was about Tony ruffling up a high level associate to the Los Angeles family, another informant said they suggested Tony should take over Las Vegas. Regardless the meeting adds up on how Jimmy Regace was trying to run Los Angeles and gain powerful influence nationwide. On the other hand, Jack Locicero could have been pulling a Frank Tieri and try to get Spilotro killed with San Diego crew gaining influence in Las Vegas. They certainly would have Detroit and Milwaukee on their side in support of San Diego overseeing Las Vegas area for the other families.
Not Chicago, it was Las Vegas, my mistake. The Chicago story is the embellishment of Spilotro taking over Las Vegas.
Posted By: NYMafia
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/28/22 05:41 PM
Not Chicago, it was Las Vegas, my mistake. The Chicago story is the embellishment of Spilotro taking over Las Vegas.
That I can see. As it was Spilotro had pretty much become the highest profile mob figure along the Vegas strip (if not actually the biggest mob guy there. As Jace correctly mentioned there were many goodfellas living and active in LV from around the country).
But the allegation he was "taking over" Vegas played to the media and public, and also allowed local law enforcement to look good going after him.
And as far as guys in LA egging him on against Chicago or other mob guys? Never happen. Dominick Brooklier, Locicero, and the rest of them weren't that stupid to back a mere soldier (and a known half-a-whack-job at that) against "brothers" of theirs in Chicago and elsewhere. They would have gotten a kick in their asses so fast, been sanctioned, and even been forced to step down. Never happened IMO.
Posted By: NYMafia
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/28/22 05:42 PM
Spilatro was not even the top man in Vegas, other families had people there too. He may not have even ben the top Chicago guy there, or maybe he was. The story of him taking over the entire Chicago Outfit is geared towards casual mob observers or morons. If Martin Scorsese does not make the movie Casino, his name might not even come up.
I completely agree
Posted By: BensonHURST
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/28/22 06:23 PM
It seems that he killed a lot
And got away with it for a long time.
Somebody high up had his back for a long time.
Posted By: Big_Tuna93
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/29/22 03:58 PM
Spilotro was under Joey Lombardo, who was a powerhouse and had his back. When Lombardo went to jail in the early 80's, Spilotro was basically on his own. Then he started bringing a ton of heat with the robberies/murders and the rest is history.
Posted By: BensonHURST
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/30/22 10:08 PM
If Lombardo doesn’t go to jail does Spilitro still get whacked?
You think?
Was it Spilotro that bombed Lefty? And didn't the cops talk to Accardo and assured by him that there wouldn't be any retaliation for shooting one of his crew? I think Lombardo would have to be like Meyer Lansky when Seigel had to go.
Posted By: Big_Tuna93
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/31/22 01:17 PM
Spilotro's brother Patrick, who was the dentist that dropped the dime on Lombardo for family secrets, claimed that Lombardo told him if he was out, Tony would not have been touched. I don't necessarily believe that because the reason guys like Aiuppa, Cerone, LaPietra went to jail was largely due to the fact that Tony was bringing insane amounts of heat on them. When any of those 3 guys wanted someone gone, they were gonna go.
Posted By: jace
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 08/31/22 03:26 PM
DNA will tell who they were, I bet not a single one had mob links. If this was happening in the Pacific Northwest,they would whip up interest that a famous serial killer left bodies there, if it was California they might stir people into thinking it was the Charles Manson Group.
Posted By: BensonHURST
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 09/01/22 12:26 AM
DNA will tell who they were, I bet not a single one had mob links. If this was happening in the Pacific Northwest,they would whip up interest that a famous serial killer left bodies there, if it was California they might stir people into thinking it was the Charles Manson Group.
Spilotro's brother, Patrick....
RATTED?
So he got his brother's KILLED?
Posted By: jace
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 09/01/22 01:08 AM
DNA will tell who they were, I bet not a single one had mob links. If this was happening in the Pacific Northwest,they would whip up interest that a famous serial killer left bodies there, if it was California they might stir people into thinking it was the Charles Manson Group.
Spilotro's brother, Patrick....
RATTED?
So he got his brother's KILLED?
You're asking the wrong person, i was not the one who said it.
Posted By: Big_Tuna93
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 09/01/22 01:17 PM
DNA will tell who they were, I bet not a single one had mob links. If this was happening in the Pacific Northwest,they would whip up interest that a famous serial killer left bodies there, if it was California they might stir people into thinking it was the Charles Manson Group.
Spilotro's brother, Patrick....
RATTED?
So he got his brother's KILLED?
No. His brother was a dentist. In 2005, Joey was on the lam and scheduled an appt with Dr Spilotro for some kind of procedure. Dr. Pat Spilotro was able to help the feds find Joey after like 6 months on the run. He also testified at family secrets I believe but you'll have to double check that.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 09/02/22 01:03 AM
I read that one of the bodies was identified through DNA. Not Mob related at all, it was a guy who was boating with his family and drowned. Very sad, his son saw him go under the water. At least now they have his bones to bury. RIP
Posted By: jace
Re: Lake Mead, NV - 09/03/22 03:55 PM
A total of 5 found, one identified as the victim of a tragic boating accident as Fleming Ave mentioned. The story has died out in the news, nothing for a couple of weeks now. With DNA technology so advanced I'm sure there will be at least one more identified.