COMMISSION VOTE TO KILL GIULIANI

In persico book it says the commission (nyc) had a vote to assassinate Rudi.
This, according to bent fbi agent DeVecchio. This from a ' source'. Hhmm!
It went 3 v 2 against the idea. Persico and Gotti voting for it.
It came out during DeVecchio's trial.

No way do I believe this. Heat would of been unrelenting. Anyone think different ?

I think its true. Gotti was a motherfucker that never thought about the consequences of his actions and if Persico had ordered the death of the prosecutor Aronwald he could very well have done the same with Giuliani.

The Sicilians (Riina) wanted him dead, and the Americans voted against it except Gotti and Persico.

When was that vote taken?

Assuming DelVecchio's story isn't a total fabrication, I'm assuming that it was Chin, Ducks & Rusty who vetoed this idiotic idea. I ask about timing because one would really have to wonder whether or not the vote would have gone the other way if Amuso was in charge of the Lukes at the time.

....or was he??

Riina had ordered a murder contract on Giuliani during the mid-1980s.

I take it with a grain of salt,just like the "revelation" by another FBI agent who claimed that the Mob put a $500.000 contract on his head.

Giuliani was a pain in the ass for the Sicilians working with Falcone, Pizza Connection etc Riina wanted him dead.

Hollander, you disappoint me.

What Persico book? Is it Frank DeMatteo, the bulls#ter?

Wanting him dead and formally voting for it are two different things.

No fuckin way. This ain't Italy.

You wanna commit suicide? Pills are a lot easier.

Book:- in 2007 document made public that back in 1987 leaders had a vote to kill RG.

@Hollander
Why would Riina want RG dead ? Pizza connection?? wouldn't surprise me if he did.

Wouldn't a document in a 1987 court case be easy to check that it was real? Maybe the guy is full of it. Easy(ish) for those with the Internet skills to check.

Got to admit, I'd of thought this vote would've been more widely known, if true.
Maybe you're right jace. I still liked his books.

Rosario Naimo confessed to Italian investigators.

Sicilian mafia sent hit man to whack Giuliani
By Andy Soltis

February 28, 2014 | 2:05pm



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The head of the Sicilian mafia sent a hit man to America to arrange the murder of Rudy Giuliani in the 1980s, Italian news media reported.

“Boss of bosses” Salvatore Riina targeted Giuliani because of his friendship with an anti-mafia judge in Sicily, Giovanni Falcone.

The plot to kill Giuliani, while he was US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, came to light during a trial in Sicily in which former Italian government officials are accused of agreeing to a peace pact with the mob in the 1990s.

During the trial in Palermo, it was disclosed that a former mafioso, Rosario Naimo, moved to the United States in 1965 and became the Sicilian mob’s senior representative in the US.

Naimo told investigators that a bloodthirsty mobster named Benedetto “The Beast” Villico arrived from Italy with a letter from Riina that ordered the assassination of Giuliani, the news agency ANSA reported.

But Riina dropped the plan when he realized that US law enforcement could retaliate by destroying the Sicilian mob, the website Palermo Today said.

Falcone wasn’t as lucky. He was assassinated by Riina’s men in 1992.

Giuliani has said in the past that he was targeted while he was mayor. “They offered $800,000 to kill me,” he said last year in an interview with Oprah Winfrey.

“Then toward the end of the time I was mayor, a particular mafia guy, who was convicted and put in jail for 100 years, put out a contract to kill me for $400,000,” he said. “I kind of felt bad that I went down in value.”

He appeared to be referring to Riina, who is serving multiple life sentences.

. Very True Furio

I don't think Gotti was ever in a commission meeting. plus other bosses were trying to steer clear of him due to his being so constantly followed by the FBI and NYC Organized Crime task force, plus the media following him,

Missed your DeVecchio reference first time, but you're right fbi agent DeVecchio wrote the memo citing a source. Who was certainly Scarpa sr.
Names gotti and persico but the 3 others are just listed as their family names.


Currently reading Deal with the Devil. Really good, DeVecchio was really bent. Lucky he didn't go the way of Connoly.

The Sicilian Mafia was actually close to killing Governor Cuomo on a trip to Sicily. American officials definitely weren't immune to their violence, they just got lucky.

This is all bunk...At that time, the american mob was at their peak...They're not gonna let a psycho thousands of miles away tell them to commit suicide

I def second that thought , always have...No way would Chin ever sit @ a table and break bread w/ the likes of a (in Chins mind) street thug like Gotti...let alone Gotti supposedly being as ppl say "capo di tutti"...he crossed the line in the 1st place by not getting full approval of all the commission as he allegedly told Nicky Scarfo a month after the hit on Big Paul.

good post, all true

Well, Gigante still had to meet Gotti and ' play nice'. Not sure how many times they met. Remember gravanos part in the book " unlike stupid John, me and chin would never have our kids in the life ". We all know that ended up an all time laughable lie.

If Gotti had been in a Commission meeting, who would it consist of? Gigante for the Genoveses, Amuso for the Luccheses, but who for the Colombo and Bonanno Families? Perhaps Orena since Persico was in prison, but who would've represented the Bonanno Family for Rastelli during the period of 1985-90? Massino? He was also incarcerated during much of that time. I don't think the Families were even on good enough terms to meet up like that at the same time, the Castellano assassination really caused a rift within the New York Mafia.

The Bonanno's were not on the Commission. They were suspended because of the Donnie Brasco embarrassment. Thereafter I believe that Nicky Marangello often represented them if/when Joe Massino wasn't available.

Well, Gigante still had to meet Gotti and ' play nice'. Not sure how many times they met. Remember gravanos part in the book " unlike stupid John, me and chin would never have our kids in the life ". We all know that ended up an all time laughable lie.



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This is trure...& when Gotti told him that "Hey ..I just made my kid"... Chin said "Good 4 u.. meaning asshole.......

@hoodlum
According to gravanos book, the Chin said " jeez I'm sorry to hear that ". to Sr saying his son was made.
I have a hard time believing that, firstly, it sounds like a sneery type response.
Secondly, what does that say about the 'life'.
Thirdly, we know how some (all?) of the Chins kids ended in the mob. .

Although chin was probably meaning ' I'm sorry to hear your dumb moron son has been allowed into our life ".

Not all but one for sure 2 espositos that had with his goomar. Nice story is that Chin ordered to George Barone to find a no show job in the port union for his son and the fact for them wasnt a good job led to shelving of Barone and his decision to flip because the family wanted him dead. Barone was one of the few genoveses to flip.

Has anyone ever confirmed Gravano's account? It would be an outright insult to Gotti for Gigante to say that to him. Did Gravano say what Gotti's response was?

Barone was so old he was crazy to rat, and he really held a grudge.

https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs/genovese-soldier-george-barone

Barone still held sway over the waterfront, but younger wiseguys had moved into positions of more power and wealth and the ‘oldfella’ felt disrespected. It made him hard to deal with and he soon came to blows with Andrew Gigante, the son of the family boss. Andrew needed help with getting a friendly company a lucrative contract and Barone was told to make it happen. But Barone was owed money by the company and insisted that debt be paid first.

The conflict between Barone and father and son Gigante quickly escalated, resulting in Barone (right) being “put on the shelf” as it is called in mob parlance. Which meant he held no more power within the Mafia. He had become a pariah. And he knew that now that the mob no longer had any use for him, probably viewed him as a liability even, his time was surely up. That is when, in 2001, he contacted Team America.

“I went bad,” Barone said about his new role as government witness. “I wanted to get even. I wanted to survive. I didn't want to get killed by them,” he added, referring to Vincent Gigante and his Genovese Family. “I decided that the Mafia is not the paternal, wonderful organization that it proposes to be. The esprit de corps does not exist. Greed, violence, betrayal: that is what exists.”

Furio, no one was going to kill Barone, he was just a miserable person who rated out of spite.

Barone's claim of being in a gang called The Jets is ridiculous. There was no gang by that name, it was made up be the writer of the play West Side Story. and originally it was an Irish-Catholic gang battling Jews. Barone saying that shows he may have been nuts. Maybe the next rat will say the Warriors movie was based on him and his friends.

. Thanks for the article Furio!

I read somewhere (can't remember where) that Gotti was instrumental in having Massino regain the Bonano seat on the Commission.

He refused to give contract to Chin sons and was shelved only because there was the Genovese doesn't mean that Gigante didin't make a bullshit disrespecting a veteran.

Yes Turnbull you're correct. That is the prevailing theory. That Gotti used his influence to help Joe Massino sit on, (and the Bonanno Family) be recognized by, the Commission again.

Thats actually not true Jace. During the late 1940s-1950s era there were plenty of local neighborhood street gangs typically made up of local Irish and/or Italian hoodlums (some of whom were later absorbed into LCN). I believe there was a Westside gang called The Jets, and obviously George Barone was affiliated with them.

I know about street gangs, but you are just guessing on the Jets and Barone. Look up what I said, the writer of West Side Story made it up, and it was not an Italian gang. I also checked the street gangs site, there is no such gang on there.

I'm well aware of the "Jets" and the "Sharks" of Westside Story Musical fame. Lol

Barone belonged to a mostly Irish gang of toughs on Manhattan's Westside Hells Kitchen neighborhood. I'm also well aware of that "street gangs" site you refer to. And I can tell you now that there were many gangs across NYC not represented on that site. Just because the "name" is not on the site, does not mean they didn't exist.

George Barone was no jerk off, despite what you may think. And although by the time he "turned" canary he was an old man, he was nonetheless a "made" guy for many years who also served as one of the most powerful ILA officials both in NYC, and later down in the Port of Miami, FL.

He whacked guys, he followed orders, was loyal, and was a very well-respected guy in the underworld for many years. So you tell me, WTF would he have to lie about having been a member of a street gang as a young hoodlum?

PS: The correct answer is: he'd have no reason to answer that he was a gang member of the Jets, if he was not (while under oath in a courtroom no less). What good purpose would that serve? You tell me? If he said the gang's name was The Jets, then the gang's name was The Jets.

Not the Boy Scouts of America or any other name. He was old, but he wasn't crazy.

. Yeah when I saw the Jets and Sharks I was like “Wait a minute when did this become West Side Story” lol

Exactly. Lol..."When you're a Jet you're a Jet all the way, from your first cigarette to your last dying day"

Somebody get my tap shoes? Lol

Well, the defense should have challenged him on it by asking him to show the jury some of his dance moves.

I thought the Bonannos were ' off ' the commission because of their rampant drug dealing. Did they even get their commission place back after the banana war?

After the 1960s war they did. They they lost their seat again for their rampant deal dealing in the late 1970-early 1980s. By the late 1980s, Gotti had helped Massino and the Bonanno's get that seat reinstated. And then Gotti got jailed, and Massino turned to be a rat.

Whoa it didn't happen that fast, it was over a decade later that Massino turned.

I didn't give a timeline. I just stated chronologically what took place.

. Haha. Classic cinema gotta love it

They screwed up a lot. The drugs, the Galante vs Rastelli dispute, and the Donnie Brasco fiasco.