FRANZESE AND STAFF PUSHING NARRATIVE HE WASN'T AN

FRANZESE AND STAFF PUSHING NARRATIVE HE WASN'T AN INFORMANT, BUT THE FACT IS, HE WAS.

A lot of people have been sending me messages from someone on Michael Franzese's staff who apparently answers for the informant, Michael Franzese. He is trying to change the narrative. For all of Michael's self-promoted accolades, he tells many different versions as his past as an informant. One day, he didn't tell on anybody, never agreed, never cooperated. The next day he tries to pad the fact that he testified in many trials, and received a sentenced reduction for those actions by saying he never testified against a mob guy. Which one is it?


Apparently it's a public relations nightmare, and someone on his staff is telling people he never testified against anyone, or ever cooperated on any level. I have seen a dozen of these messages, and the funny part is the person on the other end of the message tells people "you don't understand the life, and to believe any rumor or gossip about Michael being a rat just isn't true, it's laughable." One might argue it's Michael himself arguing but I have seen a dozen of these, and it's the the same PR stance.


Michael Franzese was an informant, and a rat. Whether he wants to come to that reality or not is another thing all together. Michael, for all his self-aggrandizing, is half charlatan and half schemer. Here are the facts. Michael Franzese testified against Norby Walters, who was by most accounts a shake down guy, and was widely responsible for shaking down the Jacksons, and Dionne Warwick. He considered Norby his uncle, but that didn't stop him from coming forward and ratting him out, and testifying against him. He admitted to becoming a cooperator in a Vanity Fair article in 2012. Norby Walters would get five years in prison as he was found guilty of Racketeering. Franzese also testified against Lloyd Bloom, who got three years. The men would have their convictions thrown out as a result of improper jury instructions by the judge, but it was Michael's testimony that buried them. These are all men Franzese called friends and made money with. He then would go on to testify in court against a janitor by the name of Ornge Tutt. Tutt was a former driver for Sonny Franzese and worked with Frank Campione. Tutt was found guilty and went to prison. Franzese didn't stop there.


Michael then testified against Gerald Guterman who had been indicted for conspiring with union officials and mob contractors to defraud the IRS. Not to be undone, Michael Franzese offered to testify against DeCavalcante boss John Riggi. He had offered the FBI his testimony against Riggi. I have the witness list with his name on it, and that is someone who provided information to the FBI. The feds don't put a witness on their list who isn't going to back their bullshit. The FBI would never call Franzese to testify. Franzese has lied repeatedly saying that he was willing to be put on the list, but that he would contradict what the prosecution was saying. The problem with that, is that I have a copy of what he did tell the FBI, and it's not in contradiction of, but rather the opposite. He buried John Riggi.


Michael in this Vanity Fair article, admits, that he gave up names, ranks, and positions in all five of the crime families in turn for a reduction in sentence. Those are facts. Michael can twist and try to distort reality all he wants, but the files and his own words prove, that he despite all his scenario twisting, is a goddamned rat.


THE LIAR THAT IS FRANZESE.

Michael Franzese is a liar, and a schemer by nature. He has repeatedly lied saying that he invented the gas tax scam. He has changed his stance on that hundreds of times. The reality is, that scam was controlled by the Russians, specifically Marat Balagula who controlled the Russian mafia in Brooklyn, New York. It was Balagula who invented the scam, the shell companies. Franzese attempted to shake him down, to which, Balagula laughed in his face, but because Michael at the time was a capo within the Colombo crime family, he took the issue to Christy-Tick Funari, who at the time was the consigliere of the Lucchese crime family. Casso was invited to the meeting between the Colombos, Balagula and the Lucchese's. An agreement was made that there was no reason for anyone to try and shake down anyone, that there was more than enough money to go around for everyone to get wealthy. Casso then would oversee the project. At no time did Michael Franzese control it, run it, or make it bigger. It was already a billion dollar enterprise. In fact, it was alleged several times that Michael was stealing money from the project which led to a meeting between Sonny Franzese and the upper echelon of the Colombo's. The upper brass knew Michael was stealing money, but were having a hard time proving it. They wanted Sonny's okay to kill Michael if they could prove it. Sonny green-lit the murder. "If you find, he took money, kill him."


Michael never ever had any meetings with John Gotti. He never bested John Gotti in any deal or card game. Those are lies. At no time, did he ever sit with John Gotti at any meeting, any card game, or had any business dealings with him whatsoever. He likes to tell this story where Gotti and him were competing for a storefront. He bested Gotti in a battle of wits and smarts. It doesn't take much to see through his nonsense. There are NO photos of Franzese with Gotti. John Gotti was the most surveilled man in the history of organized crime, but yet, nothing of Franzese and Gotti together, like ever. It's a lie perpetuated for Michael to stay relevant in a world in which his only attribute was living on his fathers name. He's still doing it today.


There is something about honor and duty to the man that raises you, puts food in your mouth, and clothes on your back. Franzese whose birth name was Michael Grillo, was adopted by Sonny at a young age. Sonny is not the biological father of Franzese, and he changes that story multiple times as well. When Sonny was trying to get out of prison at 97 years old, Michael was approached about trying to help his father get out of jail and he refused. It's not the first time uber wealthy Michael has denied helping any member of his family. When Sonny was released, to the large help of Greg Vita, Michael refused to come see him, or help financially at all. In fact, Sonny for the most part was dumped into an old folks home, based off his pension from serving in the military. At no time did Michael help his father one bit. Sonny, for his part had his issues with Michael, referring to him as a rat and informant. His other son John, had also become a rat, and even testified against his own father, but at the end of his life Sonny lamented that he loved John, despite what he did. As for Michael, he held onto the distain till the day he died. Michael left his father to rot in an old folks home, and could care less. He didn't even attend Sonny's funeral claiming that he would be a distraction. The truth is, he was told he was not wanted at any funeral. That's the story he doesn't tell.


I just ask, how can anyone just drop their Dad at an old folks home, where others from the neighborhood took care of their old friend, and in the end Michael had it fixed so even those guys couldn't see him anymore. Michael left his own father abandoned. Too bad Sonny didn't abandon him as a baby. Everything Michael accomplished in life, is by scheme or scam, and if it wasn't for his father, believe me Michael never gets to the levels he did. A guy who knew Sonny incredibly well, and knew Michael told me, "If it wasn't for Sonny that kid would have been killed. He lived off his fathers reputation, the only reputation that kid had was one with a silver spoon in his mouth. Anything he ever made he stole. If anyone got mad, he didn't negotiate with them, he mentioned his father and people would back off. The second he found out his father green-lit his murder for stealing, suddenly Michael disappears and begins telling on everyone. This idea he sat down at big level meetings is hilarious. This was the adult forced to sit at the kids table that's how important he was."


Opinions aside, the truth is, Michael Franzese lies, almost non stop, and was an informant. It doesn't matter whether or not you testify against a mob guy. Testifying against people you call friends is a rat move, and the fact that Franzese is trying to rewrite and distort history for his own pockets, is pretty pathetic. You can enjoy all that is Franzese for entertainment value, but the truth is, he's exactly the same as other informants. He's no different, even if he is desperate for his own public relations people to distort the reality of who he actually is.

I don't know why he just won't admit that he's a fucking rat, I mean, people love rats and snitches, just look at Sammy the Bull, they'd handwash his dirty underwear.

Bro..... respecfully... this post is mostly nonsense. And way too emotional. You would swear the guy told on YOU, lol.....

....On this farm there were some rats, E-I, E-I, OOOoo. Here a rat, there a rat, everywhere a rat-rat...

mikes is so full os shit hiding under the religious belies,, hes in entertaining ill give him that, and if his adopted thas fuck up.... hey his got money,,, i wouldnt minded being adopted to a rich family

Feel better after that?

He testified in front of congress about the mob and boxing
He testified in front of congress about the mob involvement with the Russians
He debriefed totally to the govt and his information was used to kick scores of Mobsters out of the Teamsters and Laborers Unions(including Wild Bill Cutolo out of the Teamsters)
His information was used as leads to kick start numerous investigations including the mob in the entertainment industry including the Sal Pisello case
His information was used as the basis for Affidavits and wiretaps in what eventually became the Windows case, and Mob infiltration of the security guards unions in AC and NY

He’s a rat. There’s no debate...

This wouldn't be a big deal if he and all of his fans would just admit it. Like I said, being a rat is cool now.

It appears that a couple of Franzese groupies here think that I actually wrote the article lol...If they believe that, its no wonder they believe everything Franzese says !!

Lol, that's an ARTICLE? It reads like an emotional opinion. An article from where? If you post an article, post the author, like who wrote and published it, lol...more nonsense....


And nah, I'm objective... if you have an ounce of emotion for a guy you never met, one way or the other.....that's fanboy shit.



There were several things in the post I dont get.

1. The Gotti thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt that meeting also referenced in the Gotti book?
And why would John have been under surveillance? He wasnt even close to being boss yet, and Franzese wasnt a capo yet. And it's over a fuckin flea market. The guy acts as if they met to divvy up a 100 mil operation.


2. The Gas stuff

A. Franzese was the 1st to be indicted for that. I thought Luchesse involvement came after, and they brought in the Gambinos?


B. I've never understood how Marat Balagula was a boss, but afraid of one Russian man. Made no sense.

C. How big was Shelly Levine, and Joe Glitz's operations? These were the guys Franzese came into a conflict with.

D. The Russians were in charge, until the Gov changed the laws, and made the Gas wholesale companies responsible for the taxes, and not the stations. The Italians had the advantage because they had the connections to get the licenses.... or is this wrong?



E. Larry Iorizzo worked for Balagula? Or what? I'm not getting it....

3. On Norby Walters...

Look, I dont care either way, but in the book, Franzese says he ordered the guy to take the fall for everyone. Like a structured plea, you know, what everyone praises the " Ivey League of Crime" for nowadays. What all the big drug clans do. What we call Gene Gotti dumb for not taking. But the guy balked at doing a couple years at club Fed, opening the Family up to more racketeering charges. He said he didnt want to kill him, that would have just made it worse..

After his father didnt back him in the sitdown, he was just over it..... I mean he was only in it FOR HIM.


I dont even really care, but can we get the basic facts nailed down, it's getting to the point I'm not even sure what's true....




I dunno.... the Daisey Chain is the significant contribution he made to crime.

That methodology works on elastic AND inelastic products. Gas, or luxury cars, as proven recently by the Ndrangheta, even food, like the Giorgi clan in Germany, forming companies, buying cheap food in Italy, selling it in Germany, pocketing the tax money, and bankrupting the firms. The Gambinos were going to do the same with the Grape merchant Sicilians in Agrigento, their product was MONEY.

The Daisey Chain is a very viable criminal methodology especially for organizations moving a product or commodity. If you see an organization like this, expect lots of phony companies as opposed to deep political ties....


But yall focus on the MAN, Franzese. I got nothing against, OR for him.....


Hes nobody, lmao......

No disrespect, but he's not a nobody and that's the problem. Sure he may be a nobody to you, but he has a huge following and he's a rat, that's the problem.

Btw I’m not a fan of Franzese and you don’t have to be a fan to think how ridiculous it is to be so outraged about if he’s a rat or not. Why is it so important?

Because we don't like snitches, and the glorification of snitches. Are you a snitch? Were you the teacher's pet at school or the boss's ass kisser at work? You sure sound like the type.

The title is right at the top of thread..It takes 2 seconds to do a google search if you're interested in the author...Not very complicated young fella !!

Have you ever read the comment sections of his videos ?? He has grown men telling him how great he is and he has like 700,000 subscribers who believe every word he says...I assume some probably come here as well...They should know the truth about him...They seriously believe that he never ratted on anybody and he's making good money off this scam..But what bothers me most is his born again bs...That's his biggest scam, and Gravano exposed it big time...As soon as he sat with someone who didn't kiss his ass and spoke to someone who was in the know, he started cursing left and right...What kind of born again is that ??

He's a phony !!

I don't know why people can't be more objective about this.

The debate shouldn't be between whether or not Franzese fits either polemic as a "stand-up guy" or a "rat" - he is what he is. So what is he?

Well, at a time he legitimately was a relatively big deal. Capo in the Colombo Family before it became a total shit show and son of the Underboss. That's not nothing. Has his status overtime been inflated and exaggerated as "the yuppie don" and so forth? Absolutely. Everybody who is formerly of that life inflates their status once they come out on the other side, with the possible exceptions of Leonetti and DiLeonardo. Franzese however hasn't had to inflate his status as much as a Henry Hill - he really was a big deal at one point, even if he wasn't a feared street guy.

Did he rat to get out of the life? Well, almost certainly to some degree. As above posters have commented, he's testified for the government and more likely than not he named names while being debriefed. In the mid-90's, Michael Franzese naming names was the least of the Colombo family's problems. Does he deny he's a rat? Of course he does, just like they all do.

The other side of him - he's also an entertaining and consummate performer. I see the old racketeer shining through his travelling evangelist act - this guy is definitely still a hustler. I suspect he actually does believe in God to a certain degree and that his conversion isn't totally BS - but the racketeer in him also saw the financial opportunity this presented and he was not going to pass that up.

When he tells old mob stories I think for the most part he's stayed pretty credible and pretty consistent. I put him in the same category as a Leonetti type guy, except that Franzese clearly loves the spotlight more than Crazy Phil.

He's a mob guy - they're all slippery. So of course he's hustling. Of course he's drawn outside the lines and has named names in private while swearing up and down he's a stand up guy in public. They all do this. Scarpa, Bulger, you name it. He's been one of the survivors coming out of a life filled with duplicity, betrayal, and everything that comes with it.

The "stand up guys" are dead or in jail. The ones we can draw the stories out of are all rats, every one of them.

I'm neither a fanboy nor someone that would really put him down for being a rat. I know he's a rat. He denies that the same way mob guys plead not. guilty in court. He's a known liar. He can also be a very entertaining source on some old LCN stories from back in the day which have for the most part been quite credible. He is what he is.

He's a hell of a lot better and more reliable a source and was a way bigger deal back in the day than the likes of a John Alite or a total nobody clown like Borello or Polisi or Calandra.

They're all rats, but Franzese actually was something in the LCN once upon a time. He's a rat too, although not one of the worst rats.

You don't need to praise him or hate him; he is what he is. Take it for what it's worth.

I'm not saying he wasn't a somebody, and I always knew he was a rat...I didn't care, I used to subscribe to his channel...until he dumped his father in a nursing home, 3,000 miles away to die alone, and then skips his funeral and says because he would be a distraction...Its disgraceful and not what a real christian would do..Animals mourn their elderly with more compassion, so it angers me when I see people calling him a good man or a man of god...He's neither

I subscribe to Gravano's channel...I have no problem that he's a rat...I like his videos

I'm not the best christian in the world, but I also don't claim to be....

Here's a scripture for Franzese...

Galatians 6:7 Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a person is sowing, this he will also reap

The reason he didn’t show up at his fathers funeral is cause he was afraid that he would be murdered...it’s still the Colombo family...The Persicos and the Russos don’t care about sending they’re kids to jail , you think they give a fuck about murdering Franzese and taking the heat ...The Colombo’s have killed Cops and prosecutors....if Franzese showed up I believe that they would have taken a shot at him and so does he.....

I'm not denying anything of what you are saying and I agree with you about who he is and what he is doing. My point is that if it bothers you that much why are you reading the comments of his videos? Why are you watching the videos with him and Sammy. Why is it that you or whoever else feel the need to "expose the truth" about someone that you don't even know or ever met? What exactly are you accomplishing? There is so much in this fucked up world to be outraged about and this is what we are outraged about? This site glorifies guys who lie, cheat,steal and murder but Michael Franzese is just too much for us? Fucking joke is what it is. Get real.

Your attempt to label me is weak, misinformed and shallow.. Good luck with your fake moral outrage.

Very well said

Very well said, but still sick of him.

He did give up some people openly. He bothers me more when he lies on his videos. He's become a showman. Good for him if it makes him money, bad for anyone looking to learn about the Mafia. Often it's impossible to tell when he is telling us truth or fiction. I don't like him, but he is not as bad as Gravano, who totally ratted. I know some will say "If you ratted once on one person you are a total rat." I see it just a bit different,. If anyone feels different, fine. Gravano does know some real stories, as does Franzese, the John Alite total phonies bother me the most. Pennisi is very annoying, and might be the biggest rat out there now. He is still giving fiends up in his videos.

"Often it's impossible to tell when he is telling the truth".......I SIDE BY THAT BY 100%.....well said ..in this day & age of tech & sum such shit..who's 2 know who is fessing truth?..

..and Jace......if it makes u or us feel better...2 behind the ear 4 that f..k John Alite....I feel the same...fu..g POSER..that he always was...geez..I would have dipped my tips 4 that dude ...I always used 2 dip 4some 1 I personally did not care 4...just kidinn'''''...

..and Jace......if it makes u or us feel better...2 behind the ear 4 that f..k John Alite....I feel the same...fu..g POSER..that he always was...geez..I would have dipped my tips 4 that dude ...I always used 2 dip 4some 1 I personally did not care 4...just kidinn''''?!?!..
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Bro!!! This right here.....

Because we don't like rat weasel types and he's everywhere we look running his mouth.

agreed. I don’t like Franzese or Gravano, I think both are con man. I’ve said plenty of times that Gravano deserved a much bigger prison sentence originally and felt the ecstasy bust he got was karma. However I couldn’t care less if they’re rats or not. As long as they aren’t breaking the law anymore I don’t care

Lots of pro-government neighborhood-watch snitch types on here. Go fight crime then, why are you on a gangster page?

Because it's always entertaining to read your pathetic trolling
You don't even have the brains to realize that the government is "in bed" with organized crime, you are always talking as if they were 2 separate entities lol. That's especially funny if you apply this kind of "reasoning" to Italy or Russia.

I'm mostly talking about America, where the government is way too powerful. It's actually refreshing to see the so-called "bad guys" win every now and then.

What exactly are you trying to infer? That in order to post on a “gangster page” you have to be pro mafia and pro crime? Maybe most of us just find mob history interesting.

I find the stories of Joe Petrosino, Kenny McCabe, Joe Wendling, Frank Pergola, Joe Coffey and Eddie Egan just as interesting as any mobster story.

. Absolutely. I’ve mentioned a couple months back Remo Franceschini. His book “ A Matter of Honor” is one of my favorites

Looks intriguing.

Those are all scumbags who did the State's bidding, the government is the real Mafia.

Very Good Book

Eddie Egan was a real cop, but he did lie a lot on The French Connection Case. The author even said so after he found out a few years after publishing the book. Joe Coffey was not a real respected cop, he was groomed by higher ups in the department. Petrosino was the real deal.

Remo Franceschini was a political hack. The FBI hated him after he blew an investigation by grandstanding during an arrest (He jumped up on a table and started laughing and yelling about knowing that they called Paul Castellano "The Pope" in the club) and ruining their investigation. They realized the place was bugged and stopped talking there. The FBI agents were furious with him. Remo Franceschini did not care. He was all about himself.

. Lots of Great Stories in the book. Good guy and a great cop. Enjoy if you get the chance to read it!!!

If the government is in bed with them as you say, why aren't the politians sent to prison when the mobsters are handed heavy sentences? It is as if you are agreeing with him while calling him a troll at the same time.

The government isn't in bed with the mob, they're in bed with other evil entities, like corporations and central banks. Those guys never have to worry about going to jail because all their evil deeds are legitimate. The mob pays for their actions. Must be nice, the world is twisted.

How do you know I don't know him or ever met him ??

The name of this site is GangsterBB....We actually come here to talk about gangsters...Can you believe that ??

No biggie young fella, I remember the thread of you running to his rescue saying he just misspoke and wasn't lying when someone pointed out that he gave different timelines when he was made...Then ya went on a rant that anybody who believed Sal Michiotta is an idiot etc...

You tell me to get real for criticizing him and here you are going from thread to thread sticking up for him like you have a man crush on him or something

Hahaha if you think the Govt is too powerful here you should go try living in Cuba or Russia. In those places you would have been thrown in a Gulag for that post...

You just regurgitate shit with no thought process behind it... your the type of person who instead of tipping a waitress after a meal you just walk out on the bill...Oh that’s right you do...during covid where they didn’t even except cash ...hahaha. Listen to me seriously! I’m gonna give you a piece of advice...tell your mom she doesn’t need to make you lunch tomorrow cause your gonna go look for a job so you can move out and hopefully one day eventually get laid....

Okay Louie

The "Yuppie Don", really? He doesn't even rate this thread, tell me when he made his bones? The only reason he was made was because his old man was locked up and Franzese quit school to help support his family.

He never killed anyone...If it wasn’t for his dad he wouldn’t even have been a member..The only reason the gas scam fell into his lap is the Russians reached out to his father for help with protection and licensing for the gas stations but because Sonny was on Parole he passed the deal to Michael...

Guys had to kill over and over for sometimes decades to get made...All Michael had to do to get made was drive Tommy Dibella around ,show up for meetings on time and partner with Mush Russo in deals that his father gave him and his “apprenticeship” lasted a whole fucking year(what a fucking joke)without his father he would have been the mobs piece of cheese to feed off of and cut up anyway they wanted!

Why hasn't anyone cited the source for this article? I'm sure Louis or Bombassolo would know.

Politicians are more powerful, they make the laws, while mobsters are the expendable part of the system. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have interests in common.
Imo, the government sacrifices somebody from time to time, just to keep the appearances of “fighting crime”, but they would never try to destroy organized crime completely; its existence is convenient for them. Organized crime can also do the government’s dirty work, there are mutual interests involved.

When I say “organized crime”, I don’t mean strictly “Cosa Nostra”, but criminal organizations in general. The Cosa Nostra is just 1 of them; today it's weaker than at its "golden age", around 1930-1970s. But in the earlier period, the bosses were pretty hard to send to jail, thanks to their allies in politics and law enforcement. Look at Tommy Lucchese or Tony Accardo or Santo Trafficante etc.

However I agree that in America is different compared to Italy; in Italy the mafia is more deeply infiltrated inside the state.

Bruh... 2 things......


1. Nepotism is a thing in that family.

Didnt they catch some guys on the Jaguar bugs like, when were they talking about whether or not the life was good enough for your kids, that the Colombos " Make all their sons over there..." or some shit like that?

You cant tell me ANY, (and I'm including Carmine here) of the Persicos, beyond a capability for violence, were REALLY good bosses, or CREATED ANYTHING for that family, arguably ever. Generational nepotism hurt that family more than anything.

2. Did you read the account of his sitdown with Gotti, from the other perspective. What Gotti told him was very true as far as how the streets work. Gotti allegedly told him," You cant win this, go get whoever you want, your father, I dont give a fuck, he cant fight for you!!"

That's how the streets work. Al Trucchio or Spiritos kid can get a stripe, sure. But at the end of the day, you gotta stand on your own 2 feet in the streets. You think Bascianos kids can just stand on their pops reputation? That nepotism shit can do as much harm as good. It doesnt mean you are really respected, it's like a desk jockey cop or military guy, vs a real field veteran. Real always respects real.

3. His first application of the Daisey chain was actually with Louis Fenzas Japan Lines company. Repairing phantom shipping containers. Was that because of his pops?
What did any of his car dealerships have to do with Sonny? Did he need Sonny for his Union construction stuff? I could see that.....
What about the Security Guard Union?


Again... I dont really get why you guys are more interested in the man over the methods. Like I'm not into Roy Demeo, like the GUY. But his stolen car ring was something else.

Great point! I'm glad someone points out the blatant hypocrisy of our government. They have the power to completely eradicate the mob, but they don't because they're convenient. Remember the government always needs a boogeyman.

Good points....

There's no denying he was a very good money maker...Nobody can take that away from him....

But like you mentioned and even he mentions, he never started in the street doing anything, Michael himself says from day 1 his father told him he'd hear from someone downtown, and immediately meets with the acting boss...How many college students get that opportunity ??

Exactly...And when Michael actually gets caught, he has no violence in his indictment just racketeering.. Very important point...

Its like Tommy Gambino...He was able to buy his way out of a harsh sentence, even after being arrested with Gotti because he wasn't a muscle guy...

Only difference with Franzese is, he's obviously not a muscle guy but yet brags how he beat the government out of hundreds of millions...

You don't do just 3 or 4 years for beating the government out of $100 million dollars a year...Leona Helmsley was tougher then him...She did her time standing on her head...

He says he did most of his time in the hole because they wanted him to rat....Its actually the exact opposite...They put him in the hole to protect him because he was a rat !!

Question for DiLorenzo: You mentioned the Leona Helmsley sentence. I agree on her toughness. What I want to know is do you think her letting Gotti have his big wedding there (after the FBI and government asked her not to rent to him out of spite on their part) made them come after her? I heard that mentioned a few times in reports, and wonder about it. She wasn't the only big person in New York Real Estate doing what she was said to have done, but she alone was singled out by the government after that.

Good thing you added that you were just kiddeng, we may have snitches on here.

These guy's are professionals when it comes to telling stories. Nobody really cares anymore. They've been out of it for years now, it's old news. The only place they make a difference is on these Mob Forums.

I thought the same thing...I think there's a very strong chance that was the reason why !!

SHE HAD A VERY BAD LAWYER..DERSHERWITZ