Happy Columbus day !

Happy Columbus Day! Columbus was a brave visionary who changed the world for the better.
Unfortunately the left hate him. Why ? Because he is another White European Man who made a huge contribution to the world for the betterment of mankind. Throw in the fact that Columbus was Cathlolic and they are foaming at the mouth. Thats why they lie, exaggerate, and magnify. They want to erase every great white man from history and minimize his accomplishments so they can somehow enhance the value and accomplishments ( no matter how small ) of the political lefts long list of victims. Think about that.
Columbus was a great man !

What does this have to do with organized crime?

A huge number of board members are Italian and Columbus day is important to them as well as to some mob guys.

Ah, so the answer is nothing.

Happy Columbus Day!!

Bingo my friend! BING the Fuck O!

1000%

In fact, 1,000,000% on the mark!

Bravo Lenox!

Happy Columbus Day to you also pal! And to all those who celebrate it. (and that's many millions of people all across this wonderful nation of ours!!

. Well Said. As an Italian American it’s a very Special holiday to me personally as well as others on here. But not only Italian Americans but most Americans in general respect the holiday as an important one .

Some food for thought. If Columbus wasnt a european white, the left would of not even thought about attacking him. If he was black, Columbus day would be Columbus month.

Italians get 1 day. Others get 1 month. And it's not only the blacks. Hey, I don't fault any other ethnicity. But for Gods sakes already, leave us the fuck alone. Now even our single day they want us to "share" it with Indigenous peoples day. WTF?

Let them have one full day (or a month) for themselves. But let us have one full day for Italian Pride for Gods sakes already!

ESPECIALLY considering what the Italian people have contributed to this country. And to this world for that matter.

Leave all the "political BS" where it is. This is about Italian culture and Itatian pride. And I for one, am very pride that I am of Italian heritage. As all people should be proud of whatever they are, wherever they come from. So am I

I agree 100%. However, the left are trying to erase Columbus not so much because he is Italian but because he was a white european who changed the world. Its all about destroying whites and white culture.
I am 100% Italian and damn proud of it. You ever notice Italian is the only ethnicity that people claim to be even if they arent. Everyone wants to be Italian.

Good Columbus Day and fuck off this redskins,Colombus wasn't a mass killer like Pizarro,cortes etc.
Yes he made slaves in Hispaniola but he was a XV century man and made the same things the men of his time made when conquered a new land.

That is very true Furio. Bravo!... that is an excellent point. He was a man of the times. It was commonplace. Anything he did wasn't something unknown or considered an abomination in that time period. Not that its right, it isn't (by today's standards), but people living in the year 2021, wanna judge a man and his actions who lived in the 1400s. Its ridiculous!

The spanishs in early 1400 made the same thing to the native people of the Canary island. Another thing that I heard is that Columbus didnt know that he discivered the America,that is true but if the America isnt called Colombia or Cristopheria is because Amerigo Vespucci understood domenica years after Columbus that there is an another continent between Europe and Asia but until the 1800s the Spanishs continue to call the central and South american the Wrst Indies.

Furio, I thought you never liked Columbus because he was from Genova

no CleanBandit,I admire Columbus! He was a son of an average man from Genova that for follow his dream to seal and to discover a shorter route to india accepted a risky journey and almost died.
He returned in chains in Spain but died as rich noble.
I hate the Lega Nord of Matteo Salvini and understood the Sopranos citation.

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Precisely. You should have been a Social Studies teacher Furio. You missed your calling. Lol

And by the standards that people try and set today, for people who lived hundreds and hundreds of years ago is downright silly. If thats the case, then all the rest of the Spanish Government, and Queen Isabella herself, were just as guilty as Columbus was. More so in fact, because in truth Columbus did what he did, and operated at their pleasure and instruction. So you tell me, who's at greater fault here? The 'worker' who follows orders and instruction, or the 'boss' such as Queen Isabella and her hierarchy who funded hum and instructed him what they wanted from him?

And for that matter, ya might as well throw in all the other governments and countries of that era because they all did the same thing.

And for that matter, we might as well go further. The first president of our beloved Untied States, George Washington himself, was a slave owner. Thats a fact! And many of those in government shoulder to shoulder with him were also.

It's the way life was back then. So should we throw out the history books and rewrite them the way these mamalukes would like, and tear down all the statues commemorating the founding fathers of this country, and cancel all the parades like Columbus Day, St. Paddy's Day, etc., just to appease these "politically correct" idiots?

I think not!... If they don't like the way the USA is, let em get back on the boat and go back to wherever the fuck it is they come from. Period!

This Country is not perfect, far from it in fact. But it's the best thing we got so far! When they figure the rest of it out, I'll go along and let em change it for the better. But until then, let em go pick another country who offers them more. (in fact I challenge em to)....ain't gonna happen. No way! No how!

Columbus was a man of his time. Conquest was what countries/ explorers did back then. Also, stronger natiive american tribes conquered and enslaved weaker tribes. Should we cancel indigineous people day ? Had the Europeans not come to America, would America as it was prior to discovery be what it is today because of the native Americans ? No way !
What would India be like if the British never colonized there?

Right ON!!!!!

I want to remember to the african americans that in Africa the african kings captured and sell blacks for centuries but nobody say that.Europeans doesnt want to go in internal part of the africa until 1800 because they would die for the tropical diseases killed by African spears.While in 1492 there was the Renaissance in Europe, in Africa it stopped at the Stone Age, the same thing in the Americas and the only civilization that could compete with Europe was China which was ruled by a God on earth who surrounded himself with eunuchs and don't consider his subjects as human beings.
Should we be ashamed of being white?

Furio in today's society only some things of history are bad while others are ignored. Robert E Lee, was one of the US's greatest generals and a son of Virginia. Lincoln gave him the choice of being the commander of the US Military he declined due to at that time people felt more a part of their home state than they did the "new" US, so now today all over America, Lee statues and places named after him are taken down and the woke crowd has no clue about the man or his part of US history before 1860

Again, its all about removing White men from history in order to magnify and enhance small contributions or “ made up” contributions for certain groups that are considered victims.

Truth be told, if it wasn't for the contributions of Europeans (all Europeans), North America (what's known as the US of A) would still be a backwater forest. Thats NOT an insult to anyone else. Its just a truth thats hard for some people to swallow.

Irish, Germans, Jews, Italians, Polish, French, etc., etc., The Chinese people too for that matter. If NOT for these immigrants what would it be?

They developed the entire country and made arguably it the greatest nation in the world.

Don't forget the Dutch, who estabilished in the 17th century New Amsterdam (New York).

Philip Mazzei was a friend of Jefferson and purchased weapon for the Continental Army.

From wiki:

The contribution of Philip Mazzei to the Declaration of Independence was acknowledged by John F. Kennedy in his book A Nation of Immigrants, in which he states that:

The great doctrine 'All men are created equal and incorporated into the Declaration of Independence by Thomas Jefferson, was paraphrased from the writing of Philip Mazzei, an Italian-born patriot and pamphleteer, who was a close friend of Jefferson. A few alleged scholars try to discredit Mazzei as the creator of this statement and idea, saying that "there is no mention of it anywhere until after the Declaration was published". This phrase appears in Italian in Mazzei's own hand, written in Italian, several years prior to the writing of the Declaration of Independence. Mazzei and Jefferson often exchanged ideas about true liberty and freedom. No one man can take complete credit for the ideals of American democracy.

This when the blacks was in chains and the redskins with bow and arrows was hunting the buffalos.

I always joke that the Roman Empire lasted a thousand years and we're not even 300 years old and the cracks are showing. We went away from trade schools and now the direction our education system is going is a Fucking joke. The other day my fourth grade came home with a letter from his teacher telling the parents not to help their children with math homework because they'll teach them in school. There's 36 kids in his class. How the Hell do you get through to every kid? I asked him did they go over anything for Columbus Day. No Dad, we haven't talked about that guy since first grade.

Can't forget the Dutch, thats why I put "Etc, etc" lol

All these people contributed immensely to the country's early development in a wonderful way. Each bringing the rich culture and traditions of their homeland.

Naturally. I completely agree with you too. Its a tragedy and a bad fucking joke what they are turning this country (and these young people into).

Wheres the backbone? Wheres the "tradition" of our heritage. And thats regardless of whether you're an Italian, an Irishman, Jew, or anything else.

I was a greaseball. My friends were Irish micks, or Heebs, or Donkey's, etc. etc. But know what? We all broke each others balls with those types of things but we loved one another, and STOOD by each other, thick or thin. It was all in good fun. Today? LOL, you gotta be "politically correct" or you are viewed as a pariah.

Its ALL false bullshit!

We NEVER ratted! Not even on our enemies. We'd rather bust they're skulls open than rat em out. Ratting was for fags and weasels. We played ball together and ate together over each others homes.' We respected peoples parents and elders, we would NEVER talk out of turn.

It was a great childhood that taught us respect, honor, camaraderie, balls, work ethic, etc.... and toughness!

Today? These kids are made out of paper mâché. And its NOT their fault. Its the fault of the parents, teachers, politicians, and people in power today who are instilling these bullshit values (or lack thereof) into the kids heads.

The Europeans created the modern, civilized society.
Does anyone think the native americans would of made a modern ship in the 1400’s and sailed across the sea to find Spain? No !
Without Columbus, there would be no Latino’s.

TY Lenox. One million percent true. Yet, "some people" wanna try and denounce him, and the europeans, for what they accomplished. Its called jealousy, envy, stupidity, and ignorance. Plain and simple!

Without Europe, there would have been NO development in the America. Hell, for that matter it wouldn't even be called America. Which of course is named after the great visionary and explorer, Americo Vespucci.

Its actually comical what these ignoramuses try and put forth and attempt to make people swallow.

NYMAFIA, you said fags in the same way it was used growing up. God forbid the wrong asshole hears you say that today, you're a domestic terrorist. Hopefully all of these traditions make a comeback when the pendulum comes back full swing.

I have a question for you guys and please note that I am in no way, shape or form trying to be rude or come across as an asshole.

I know that a lot of Americans don't like immigration of any kind happening in the 21st century (where hard working people want to move to the US to get a better life for themselves) but they're being told to go back to their own countries and whatnot.

NYMAFIA, given what you've mentioned how America was built on the backs of immigrants, is that not a bit hypocritical? I'm not saying that any of you guys feel that way, but in Europe, a lot of Americans are always painted that way (not going to lie, mainly Republicans).

Once again, I'm not trying to be rude, call anyone here out or say that you guys are hypocrites, I'm just genuinely curious about this point of view since I'm not an American and I don't really know many Americans.

This is called hypocrisy, even now that Italy has become a land of immigration, many scream "go home" and then hire immigrants and pay them little and make them work 12-14 hours a day, 7 days a week.
America was built by immigrants that made jobs that wasp doesnt want to do.As today the more dangerous and worst payed jobs are done by latinos or other immigrants. And people still scream "Go Home".

Let us not forget it was the treatment of newly arriving Italian immigrants by the Dutch, English, German and Irish immigrants who had arrived in previous decades, that promoted the rise of the Mafia in the US. Sadly, in this country one does not become American until you join in with previous immigrants to denigrate the most newly arrived immigrants, except in some cases those discriminated against were actually here before any immigrants, such as native Americans and Mexicans. In fact, at one point half of the US was actually named Mexico which Spain sold to Fance who sold it to the US in the Louisiana Purchase. Hmmmm, Spain sold half the US to France who sold it to the US, how the hell did that work? They have a few outposts in millions of square miles and claim it and all indigenous people within it as theirs, really how the fuck did that work?
And for the record, Native Americans were not defeated militarily, it was through treaties with the American Government, of which every single one was broken by the US, that enabled conquest of the American Indians. The American Constitution was inspired by the Iroquois Confederacy which is the oldest established democracy in the world and since there were no contemporary democracies in Europe, the Iroquois Confederacy became the inspiration for the founding fathers.
To single out Columbus as the perpetrator of the cultural changes that occurred as a result of the interaction between the Old World and the New World, is to ignore the movement of different cultures in the world previously, such as the conquest of Judea by the Egyptians and then Rome and the enslavement of the Jews. It is man's nature to have conflict and to conquer and enslave other men, this has been repeated over and over in the course of the world's history.
American Indians were in Europe, 500 years before Columbus arrived in Hispaniola and without their help, immigrants like the Pilgrims never would have endured the harsh conditions they encountered. The reward for their help was to be exposed to diseases they had no immunity to resulting in pandemics which make the current one look like a joke.
As Furio pointed out above, it is the part of hypocrisy of this country to discriminate against the newest arrived immigrants by the older immigrants, that's just the way it is. Who told you life was fair anyway?

That was an excellent explanation CNote. Bravo!

Man, by his nature, has always looked to dominate other men. Especially back then. To denigrate Columbus and try and make him the scapegoat for everything that went on in the New World is ludicrous, and is morally and historically wrong.

One question for you CNote. You say that the American Constitution was drawn and inspired from the Iroquois Confederacy. But wasn't Old Rome a "Democracy" also? Why would the newly formed US Government have to draw from Iroquois? I always thought our Constitution was inspired by Europe and the Roman Empire?

Others say the oldest "recognized" democracies were formed in India, Finland, and Greece?
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Also, I personally take no issue whatsoever with new immigrants arriving in this country. I welcome everyone. As you say, our USA was built from immigrants. ALL of our relatives and forefathers were immigrants at one time. As they say, "Whats good for the goose is good for the gander."

My only issue is when I see these newly arrived immigrants acting in a negative tone and start attacking OUR established history, forefathers, statues, traditions, parades, and other signs of our history. And want to 'rewrite' OUR country's history to suit them.

THAT I do not accept. I know when my grandfathers and grandmothers first came to America, they acted humble, respectful, and were soooo thrilled to even be here, in "America," that they accepted the good and bad and made a proud life for themselves.

Thats despite facing tremendous prejudice and hardships. In those days they had NO "welfare system" to help out, NO health care for your family, no government subsidies, etc, etc. They stood up on their own two feet and broke their asses to make it....and never so much as made a 'peep' to anybody.

They were too proud a people for that.

Today, these new immigrants get a lot of help from the G, and still cry foul (some, not all), and wanna complain left and right too! Like its fucking coming to them. That I don't appreciate.

But that said, regardless of where new immigrants come from, I have no problem with new immigration in an of itself.

Cnote,if they weren't defeat by US army I doubt that Native Americans would accepted voluntarily to be confined to the reserves.
They fought but the army had machineguns while they had only rifles.
For sure there very Americans was the redskins and the others was all immigrants,before from Britains and after from all the worlds.
That led to 2 extrems: the "politically correct" and the White Power but are are wrong.

Greece and Rome were the original democracies but the founding fathers were looking for contemporary democracies to work off of.
"When the delegates to the Constitutional Convention met in 1787 to debate what form of government the United States should have, there were no contemporary democracies in Europe from which they could draw inspiration. The most democratic forms of government that any of the convention members had personally encountered were those of Native American nations. Of particular interest was the Iroquois Confederacy, which historians have argued wielded a significant influence on the U.S. Constitution."
https://www.history.com/news/iroquois-confederacy-influence-us-constitution

Furio, boss man, the conquest of the American Indians took over a hundred years and the first conflicts were with muskets and hand to hand combat. Most people think of the Plains Indians like Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse but their were many great Indian leaders before them like Tecumseh in 1812. I attached a scene from Last of the Mohicans, if you want to view it, so you can better understand the conflict between settlers and natives. The Gatling Gun(machine gun) didn't come out until 1863 but was hardly ever used against the Plains Indians due to their mobility. It was extremely difficult to haul around a heavy galling gun on the dry alkali Plains out west.

you are 100% on the mark with this.....not every kid is going to college and trade schools are excellent preps for tons of students

CNote I'm refferring to the 1800 starting from the indian removal.I'm wrong on the gatling but one count is to fight against the settlers and another against the soldiers.The indian natives rebelled against the confinement in the reserves but in the end they had to give up.

You aren't "wrong" just had the time off a bit. This isn't about who is right and who is wrong and I'm not trying to prove you or anyone else wrong. You're extremely intelligent and the fact that you know anything about another country's history is a testament to that. We're just having a discussion to better understand the course of events that lead to formation of the US and eventually the American Mafia, no?
This is why the American Indians were defeated in the end, their food source was eliminated to the point of extinction.

Instead of Hop-A-Long Cassidy, or The Lone Ranger and his loyal sidekick, Tonto.....Once the Mafia came to this country it became Hop-A-Long-Che-Sedicci...... and The "Loan Aranger" and his loyal sidekick, Turiddo. LOL

Just a little bit of Italian Mafia humor there for your listening pleasure!

Me in front of La Fontana di Trevi, c.1973

Completely agree with you.