When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver

Any instances of the Genoveses not living up to their reputation?

The 2016 Sal Delligatti contract murder fiasco comes to mind.
Arrillotta and Fusco receiving the get go to remove Al Bruno, is another one. That crew hasn’t bounced back yet.
Vincent Esposito keeping a list of names in a safe inside his home. Or was it someone else?

Other events?

There have been several.

Chin not being able to kill Costello.

Chin not listening when told Savino was a rat.

Genovese and the Appalachian meeting are a few of the well known examples.

That was John Gotti Jr you are thinking of.

Their treatment of George Barone, Felix Tranghese.

Joe Valachi

There are many more, but compared to the other four families, it is low in comparison hence the nickname "Ivy League". You can name a lot during Vito Genovese reign, but still nowhere as high as the other families.

Here’s what I was referring to:

“Esposito admitted to extorting annual payments from a United Food and Commercial Workers official from 2001 to 2017. When he was arrested in 2018, authorities raided his $12 million Upper East Side townhouse and found $3.8 million in cash, two unlicensed guns, brass knuckles and an actual list of made guys in La Cosa Nostra.”

https://nypost.com/2019/07/19/notor...0buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

That is my fault, I forgot about that. It is just Junior Gotti mess up cost alot of guys in the other families headaches when the feds raided him. That is the most embarrassing thing to happen for LCN, a few years worth of made members and some were under LE radar before those lists were discovered. Those should of been destroyed. There are instances where guys get pinched with a phone book, or rolodex with some of the actual names while most are nicknames, but list of actual made men, that is embarrassing.
Honestly if Esposito was not a good earner, or son of the Gigante, he would have been killed years ago, especially with the George Barone incident.

My curiosity but there are serious reasons to kill Al Bruno in 2003 or was only Arliotta and Tranchese that convinced NY to kill him for that his role as capo?

It was many things Furio, but Arthur Nigro pushed for it over some beef around the time Bruno and Scibello were fighting gambling charges. There was a great amount of fear that Bruno would flip, a lot of people in on the hit raised their status.

Gambling charges? So Bruno was killed for this? They killed a veteran for give the crew to to future rats. The only who doesnt rat and get life was the Geas brothers,the greeks had more honor that 2 made men.

What was the Barone incident?

George Barone may not have been made. He may have had Alzheimers Disease in my opinion. He lied about he movie West Side Story being based on him and his friends. He was a union man that was pushed up the ranks by the Genovese Family, ad he turned on them using the usual "They did me wrong" excuse all rats use. He threw a fit in court while on the witness stand, and had some other stories which were questionable (Such as his being the inspiration for that movie) but the defense was not able to press him on it.
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Your first 2 are great examples, I don't know about number 3. I do think Gigante not stepping aside is another one, so the figures into several mistakes. I think Gigante in that bathrobe drew more attention than Gotti did.

Barone was born in the 1920s and controlled unions for the family when in the 1990s had the order to find a well payed job for Andrew Gigante,the mob son,in a company that Barone owned but he said no because disliked Gigante but because was a family veteran hecthinked he can say what he wanted and was angry for the lack of respect.
As an answer Barone was shelved and the boss ordered to kill him,Barone was informe by an old friend to don't go to NY because the voi e on the streets is that he's a dead man.
So Barone flipped for save his life.

They all swear they ratted to save their life, or that they were wronged.

No,he really risked to ve whacked.

Furio, how can you know??

https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs/genovese-soldier-george-barone

“I went bad,” Barone said about his new role as government witness. “I wanted to get even. I wanted to survive. I didn't want to get killed by them,” he added, referring to Vincent Gigante and his Genovese Family. “I decided that the Mafia is not the paternal, wonderful organization that it proposes to be. The esprit de corps does not exist. Greed, violence, betrayal: that is what exists.”

They ALL say that when they rat!!! No one believes it, he was in the life till he was 85 years old, then decided that it was not as he thought?

If the other mobsters understand that they are snitching,of course they will kill them.

So he was snitching before they were going to kill him?

For sure if they discover that he was rat he will die. The mob doesnt kill like in the 1980s 1990s but they would kill a rat before joint the witsec.

Al Bruno got killed because he spoke with an FBI agent at a restaurant in Springfield, MA. The FBI agent mentioned something about Emilio Fusco getting made and Bruno told the agent that Fusco shouldn’t have gotten made. Bruno was in jail at the time he was made. That conversation got back to Fusco, who was on trial for something at the time, and it was documented. Fusco got a copy of the paperwork and gave it to Felix. Felix brought it down to NYC to Artie. Pretty sure that’s what got the ball rolling but I also think Bruno was on the outs with NYC at that point.

So if that's the case then basically Al Bruno was very likely a Scarpa-type informant for many years, maybe not a maniac like Scarpa but still.

What proofs you have? Only because Bruno said to a Fbi that Fusco wont be made? Bruno for some reason get bad blood with NY and Trinchese used it to get the ok to kill him.

Bruno didn't tell the FBI (when you talk to one agent, it's the same as talking to the whole agency, so let's keep it real, he talked to the FBI) that Fusco WON'T be made, he said that he SHOULDN'T have been made, according to the accusation. I don't have proof of shit I'm just saying that if that's true then yes it makes him a rat of some sort. You don't hang out with agents and talk about Mafia inductions and expect your fellow wiseguys to be okay with it. What the hell was he smoking?

Isn't the first time that Fbi agents provoked mobsters,Bruno should say "I don't know what you're talking about" or something similar but again he was in bad blood with NY bosses due gambling money if was in better shape he would be still alive.

He was drinking. He spoke to the agent for about 45 minutes in a crowded restaurant for all to see. Bruno was a character and had lots of connections in the Springfield area.

I don't know if the beef was over gambling, but Nigro had a beef in the mid 1990s with Al. Bruno was in a restaurant for almost an hour talking to one FBI agent, one of the Maloni's and Scibelli's were there, and Jimmy Collaro, who had a meeting with Joe Gatto in New York in a couple of days. The next day after there was talk about it in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Boston. Bruno knew alot and had done business with a lot of guys in New England, New York, and New Jersey, so there was a lot of fear Bruno was going to flip.

I understand he was drinking, but come on, talking about Mafia induction ceremonies with the FBI? No excuses.

Al Bruno was a personal friend of mine. And I can tell you now, he was a very good guy. Ballsy, fair, and had a nice personality. He got whacked for NO good reason by cretins who couldn't carry his jockstrap.

All because of the green-eyed monster!

RIP Al

PS: and he was no rat either! Stand up as they come. That was a sorry excuse to paint him black by guys who were jealous of him. Period!

Eugene (Rooster) Onofrio said that the Springfield crew "act like girls" and that he doesnt want to made the long trip for nothing,and he's the sprinfield capo.

Big Nose Sam Cufari was the original boss of the Springfield faction. Frankie Skyball was groomed under Cufari and took over after Cufari died. Bruno was groomed under Scibelli and did an equally good job as boss. He was a very capable guy (and honorable)....the guys who hurt him (Artie Nigro included) were greedy jerk-offs. They fucked that whole crew up after that!