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I have an interesting question for everybody

Posted By: NYMafia

I have an interesting question for everybody - 05/31/21 08:59 PM

Of all the many bookmakers, numbers guys, and other top illegal gamblers who have operated across America over the years, who in your mind was the most successful, professional, and became among the wealthiest in that field of endeavor?

It doesn't have to be an Italian mafioso or wiseguy per se. He could be Jewish, Irish, German, Japanese, or any other ethnicity. In L.A., Chicago, or the east coast. Doesn't matter.

Who was among the very best engaging in that racket?

I'll allow you to pick two of your absolute top choices. Who were they? Or him?

Let's see who forum members pick. I'm curious as to how others think about this.
Posted By: NYMafia

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 12:00 AM

Doesn't anyone have any names of top gamblers you are familiar with who fall into this category?

After all, this is supposed to be a mob and racket forum no? So there must be plenty of names who possibly fall into this category I've mentioned.

Name a few. Take a stab at it
Posted By: I_Sell_Dem_Tomatoes

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 12:27 AM

There was a period where all illegal bookies in the nation had to subscribe to a "legal" wire service in order to get real-time betting results
Every single illegal bookie across America couldn't operate successfully without paying tribute

Whoever controlled the wire services, likely can be thought to have dominated influence in illegal gambling across America during that time period as well

Moses “Moe” Annenberg's Nationwide News was the largest wire service in the country during the 1930s with 28 offices across the US
In 1940 Moe was eventually sent to 3 years prison with a fine of $8 million ($150 million in 2021) which was "the largest single tax fraud penalty in history" at the time
A hint into the fortune up for grabs by controlling the wire service

Nationwide News was rebranded as Continental by founder Arthur B. Mickey McBride and managed by James Ragen
James Ragen was eventually murdered in 1947 which may have meant Continental was successfully muscled in on

TransAmerica was another big wire service with a hard history to make sense of, but definitely controlled by the Mob
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 12:38 AM

Meyer Lansky probably made the most money, but he couldn't show much of it. His close friend Hy Larner was massive as well.
Posted By: I_Sell_Dem_Tomatoes

I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 12:48 AM

Here's a Organized Crime Control Commission report that states the Outfit began to muscle in on Continental as soon as 1940
It also states:
Continental was eventually taken over by "the East Coast Syndicate"
Bugsy may have been murdered because he wouldn't shutdown TransAmerica whenever the Mob already gained control of Continental and Nationwide

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/79411NCJRS.pdf
Posted By: CNote

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 12:48 AM

Lefty Rosenthal comes to mind and of course Bugsy Seigel.
Posted By: Giacalone

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 01:03 AM

Lansky
Posted By: NYMafia

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 12:04 PM

Aside from guys like the legendary Moe Dalitz who parlayed their careers into casino ownership, or the Lansky brothers who did the same thing, I was thinking more along the lines of individual gamblers who ran separate gambling operations.

A 'Jimmy Nap' Napoli falls into this category because he ran a huge numbers business, etc.

For my money, one of the most unique guys I have run across in my studies was a fellow named Joseph Mastronardo, aka "Joe Vito"

Not a mob-connected gambler per se, or a otherwise street savvy hoodlum who dealt in other rackets as well, Joe Vito was a martian from space dropped into the gambling underworld who was revolutionary in his methods.

I just posted up his biography if anyone cares to read it.
Posted By: faffy444

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 02:04 PM

while it isn't America, the RIZZUTO bookmaking ring in Montreal was doing an alleged $100 million a month in bets in or around 2010.
Posted By: merlino

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by NYMafia
Aside from guys like the legendary Moe Dalitz who parlayed their careers into casino ownership, or the Lansky brothers who did the same thing, I was thinking more along the lines of individual gamblers who ran separate gambling operations.

A 'Jimmy Nap' Napoli falls into this category because he ran a huge numbers business, etc.

For my money, one of the most unique guys I have run across in my studies was a fellow named Joseph Mastronardo, aka "Joe Vito"

Not a mob-connected gambler per se, or a otherwise street savvy hoodlum who dealt in other rackets as well, Joe Vito was a martian from space dropped into the gambling underworld who was revolutionary in his methods.

I just posted up his biography if anyone cares to read it.


Very good stuff in the article thank you
Posted By: MolochioInduced

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 02:40 PM

Arnold Rothstein he did rig the 1919 World Series, Hyman Roth loved him ever since lol

Vic Controni seemed to have a real hold on Montreal, didn’t he take over from a Jewsish gangster, similar to Lucania?
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/01/21 07:28 PM

When Sen. Estes Kefauver closed his two-year investigation of organized crime in America (1950-51), he named Abner "Longy" Zwillman as America's top gambling czar. I'd add Arnold Rothstein, although he was also into opium smuggling. Rothstein had immense political power.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/02/21 10:21 AM

1. Moe Dalitz
2. Meyer Lansky

These two also had casinos and gambling boats in other countries. They made a lot of people money which allowed them to die of old age and not in the gutter. There are many and I can think of another two dozen guys who would be up there, but in terms of accomplishments and money plus their failures they don't come close except for Milton Rockman, Frank Costello, Anthony Accardo and Tony Salerno but still below those two guys.
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: I have an interesting question for everybody - 06/02/21 08:33 PM

The Pisacano brothers from Harlem who are w the Westside
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