The real story with John Pennisi

I enjoy his podcast and he seems like a nice guy. That said, what was the true reason the Lucchese’s seemed to be trying to kill him? He was not an informer or cooperator and was never under indictment or even on the verge of getting indicted. He only went to the fbi becuase he did nothing wrong and thought he was going to be killed. What is the true reason?
Did his scumbag ex girlfriend make up lies about Pennisi and tell Big John ?

Nobody was going to whack this guy, the mob doesn't kill people anymore. Just look at all the ACTUAL rats they allow to move back to their old neighborhoods. Either his story was completely and intentionally fabricated or he's delusional.

It is my understanding that they believed he was going to go bad. He had sent word that he was done and just stopped showing up, and it is the way he went about it that rubbed them the wrong way. Pennisi was a horrible human being.

The woman in question was violently assaulted by John Pennisi. And while he has been telling people that Eugene Castelle "fabricated it" - here is the proof about it. This is the Appellate Court's decision on Castelle's appeal. The evidence of the assault wasn't allowed to be used at trial because it would have been highly prejudicial against the informant.

Full document:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20791488-eugene-castelle-appeal-denial-12-02-20

I curse the day I mocked your appearance. Thank you Lisa. You are appreciated.

I can understand pushing or restraining a woman in the heat of the moment, but knocking a woman's teeth out is some gutter shit. This is the same guy who murdered a teenager over a girl. John has obvious issues when it comes to women and rejection.

Weren't they both teenagers? You make it sound like some 40-year old killed a teenager over a girl. Anyway, too many white knights here.

Lets put our person feelings about Pennisi on the side for a moment. I dont believe he was delusional and I believe they were looking to kill him. Why ? I know there were a bunch of arrests and they may have thought he was an informant. What made them think he was?
When the discovery proved he wasnt, they still wanted to kil him. Has to be a reason. Anyone have knowledge?

When discovery comes out confidential informants are not named. Sometimes not until right before trial. Sometimes not at all. It's usually listed as CW-1, CW-2, etc. At least that's what I've read at numerous online sources.

And discovery in this case, if you look at the docket on Pacer, I think it wasn't until July when the government started handing over the initial discovery because there were some issues or whatever. And everything also isn't handed over at once. Sometimes it's a rolling discovery where the govt will only give the defense bits and pieces.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/learning-the-identity-confidential-informant.html

Pennisi didn't sign his cooperation agreement with the government until one week before Castelle's trial in May 2019. It's likely that he wasn't identified as a CW or CI until that time.

On the last page of this document, it states that the information would be kept under seal but a copy given to Castelle so he could prepare for trial. This was May 16.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...cingtranscriptfrom5-15-19-12-4-20-doc729

This was AFTER he walked into an FBI office. Prior to that the Lucchese’s were trying to kill him.. Why? He did nothing wrong.

He has said when they got the discovery, his name wasn't in it. So what I'm saying is that his name wouldn't have been in it for the reasons stated above. They don't identify the confidential informants. So they wouldn't have known if he was an informant or not. And they wouldn't have said oh, we made a mistake because he wouldn't have been identified.

Killing over pussy is the epitome of white knight shit. It's not there's a shortage of women in this world.

I'm not defending Penessi.

It is a facit is a fact that he assaulted his ex...

That has nothing to do with anything else.

I'm not seeing the connection?
He is a coward and abuses women.

When you read the initial indictment it will state CW-1, CW-2 at the time of discovery you are supposed to get the info of your accuser so you can defend your self at trial.

I'm mid cases that info is sealed so you wouldn't be able to pull it up on line however, your attorney's and you know who is testifying against you.

Whatever happened to Pennisi, in my opinion started all because of the girl. Something with that slut girlfriend caused the Lucchese's to turn on Pennisi.

Well, he probably had deep feelings for her that went far beyond her pussy, not saying it's a cause for murder.

I agree...All these guys who cooperate give the same excuse

Exactly, they felt betrayed, they were going to kill me, I realized that they were scumbags, they banged my wife while I was in jail, blah blah blah.

Didn't you guys listen to any of yesterdays YT? It seems like people "floated" he was a CI so he would be under pressure and someone could get with his girl. The whole wake story was pretty telling, people thought he was bad or going bad.

In turn, they sat on his house, started to isolate him and his gut told him what was up.

Then he documents two instances that guys were sitting on him and he felt he had little choice.

I thought he was 100% truthful and sincere in the story and found it one of the best YT videos ever on the life and what can go wrong.

Now, if he did do that to his girl, he's 100% wrong and should had done time for that but it appears she was a PS and just used her looks to play one guy against another.

When this was going on they had just murdered Michael Meldish and we’re plotting other murders and shootings and most of these guys were shooters back in the day for Gaspipe....

Michael Meldish was a threat, in a way it was self-defense, because that guy was nuts. But killing people because they suspect they might rat? Those days are over. And to be honest we don't even know who actually killed Meldish, that case was flimsy and I hope they beat it at retrial.

Why do you call his girlfriend that? As far as I know she was his victim, not the other way around.