Who was the nicest? The classiest mafioso?

I know there is a current thread up about who was the biggest drunk? Or who was the biggest piece of shit, relating to mob guys.

I thought it would be interesting to discuss the 'flip side of that same coin'

In your opinions, who was the nicest, classiest, most level-headed and 'gentlemanly' of the Cosa Nostra set?

Both past, and present.

Frank Costello

I would choose Carlo Caputo: never killed anyone, just didn't pay his taxes.

Also, Harry Riccobene, because he is too similar to Santa Claus with that beard he grew up in prison (ok, I am joking, but nevertheless the similarity is striking, and the symbolic Christmas presents he sent to Angelo Bruno in exchange for independence give credit to the theory he is/was Santa )

Present day, maybe not the classiest (I don’t know I only briefly met him once) but I have never heard anyone ever utter a bad word about Joe Ligambi.

Robert Di Bernardo openly distributed magazines featuring photos of little boys being raped, sanctioned by the Gambino crime family. Child pornography openly sold in LCN owned porno shops on Times Square as recently as the 1980s.

Gambino and Genovese families all made money on child pornography, child prostitution and child exploitation.

That's without getting into the several high profile murders of children, women, civilians and cops in the 80s and 90s alone.

And this joker is talking about who the nicest, classiest mobster is with a straight face.

How come nobody's replied to this dumbass yet? Please show us proof of him openly distributing such magazines? And show proof of their extensive involvement in the murder of children, women (like what makes them so much more important than men 🙄), civilians, and cops?

The ONLY joker here is you, you 'fool' Lol......I see you are starting with your unsolicited attacks on me and other posters here again. What is your deal? What happened? you off your medications again? If you don't like the topic, DO NOT PARTICIPATE AS TURNBULL AND OTHERS HAVE SAID!

Thank you DD. He CANNOT show proof. Because none exists. DeBe was huge in porn. All types. But NOT 'child' porn (I know that for a fact. I knew the guy). Not 'rape' type porn either.

In actuality he produced and sold the types of porn (some very wild like golden showers, gang bangs, etc) That is SOOOO common today on any given free internet porn site that its almost comical that these fellas got pinched for it years back.

But it was a different era, and thats what it was.

DeBe was actually not a bad guy, all in all. Mellow. not a tough guy. Just a great earner!

It’s in all of his fbi files,reported by tons of informants and he was indicted for it along with teddy rothestein and Paul Castellano was an indicted coconsiprator, in the MI Porn case.....
Case was backed up by wiretaps and they’re own voices along a Roy Demeo who was also pushing it...
Here’s one of the guys that was pimped out in the sex shops when he was a kid and later joined the warlock motorcycle gang...

https://youtu.be/8-QN0uPOsZQ

Another decent guy was James 'Jimmy Bates' Battaglia. Goodfella with the Westside.

He was 95% bookmaker. thats all. He just happened to get straightened out because he came from the neighborhood and grew up with a lot of friends who became members. So they gave him a button too.

By many accounts Jimmy Blue Eyes was a true gentleman gangster. Tony Accardo also.

Tons of informants? Yeah right. If Paul Castellano was indicted as a co-conspirator in a child porn case we would've heard about it by now, over and over. So Roy DeMeo was caught on tape pushing it? Show us.

Accardo authorized way too many murders to fit the bill in this case imo.

It definitly wasnt everyones hero john gotti mean nasty smug prick that should have has his throat slashed

The delusion of some posters on this thread is scary. Calling child porn peddlers and cop killers good guys.

De Meo was a made guy in the Gambino family and peddled bestiality and child porn. Robert Di Bernardo made money hand over fist producing child porn for the Gambino family. The Genovese family profited off the exploitation of minors. Look up Matty The Horse Ianniello.

It doesn't matter if you are a "lowly bookmaker". If you work for an organization that makes money off the exploitation of the most vulnerable people in society, you are a scumbag.

Another complete lie, backed up by a youtube video--really? No FBI file has it, unless you or Moe were the sources they used. .

Gotti was liked by everyone who met him, and I am talking people outside of the mob. No one here met him. Same for Joe Merlino. Costello was a gentleman, Luciano seems to have been very popular, he even had writers as friends, including the one who wrote that questionable book about him after he died.

Jackie Nose D'Amico seems to be well liked, also seems classy.

I heard that about Jimmy Blue Eyes also

That I agree with. He was a fucking blowhard who was a vicious, self centered prick who hurt a lot of guys. It was all about his ego.

Here’s the fbi files. Only thousands of pages..

https://archive.org/details/RobertDibernardo/Robert%20Dibernardo%2001

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/


And the indictment
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/

Even in 1972 it was widely known that DiBernardo was "a prominent dealer in pornography" according to The Wall Street Journal article. More disturbingly, the degenerate mobster was the nation's largest distributor of kiddie porn. According to FBI documents DiBernardo ultimately became a top lieutenant to family boss Paul Castellano, and with capo Ettore Zappi from South Florida ran the crime family's porn empire. Zappi sponsored DiBernardo into the Gambino family. In 1986 federal postal inspectors discovered cartons of magazines depicting underage boys "engaged in sexually explicit conduct" at smut shops in Times Square and Greenwich Village which allegedly were distributed by DiBernardo, and during a subsequent March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986. A July 28, 1981 FBI document stated DiBernardo was "a well known pornography distributor also dealing in child pornography." Indeed, the FBI's New York field office had been monitoring DiBernardo's role in the smut trade since 1968 when he was arrested by the NYPD on his first obscenity charge for distributing a porno mag entitled Young Stuff.

Its made up crap that no one believes, if there was a hint of truth to it they would have had him in prison instead of on the streets.

Another complete lie, backed up by a youtube video--really? No FBI file has it, unless you or Moe were the sources they used. .
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Here’s the fbi files. Only thousands of pages..

https://archive.org/details/RobertDibernardo/Robert%20Dibernardo%2001

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/


And the indictment
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/[/quote]


Its made up crap that no one believes, if there was a hint of truth to it they would have had him in prison instead of on the streets. [/quote]

His conviction for it in 1981, again Paul Castellano was an unindicted co conspirator on the case
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/

Even in 1972 it was widely known that DiBernardo was "a prominent dealer in pornography" according to The Wall Street Journal article. More disturbingly, the degenerate mobster was the nation's largest distributor of kiddie porn. According to FBI documents DiBernardo ultimately became a top lieutenant to family boss Paul Castellano, and with capo Ettore Zappi from South Florida ran the crime family's porn empire. Zappi sponsored DiBernardo into the Gambino family. In 1986 federal postal inspectors discovered cartons of magazines depicting underage boys "engaged in sexually explicit conduct" at smut shops in Times Square and Greenwich Village which allegedly were distributed by DiBernardo, and during a subsequent March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986. A July 28, 1981 FBI document stated DiBernardo was "a well known pornography distributor also dealing in child pornography." Indeed, the FBI's New York field office had been monitoring DiBernardo's role in the smut trade since 1968 when he was arrested by the NYPD on his first obscenity charge for distributing a porno mag entitled Young Stuff.

This fella on here (I won't even bother naming him anymore because he's completely delusional, and must have been really abused somewhere along the line for him to have such a skewed view of the world), just throws out random, wild accusations that have no real value, and are not based in any real fact or common sense.

He's a rabble rouser. Or tries to be anyway.

Ianniello, DiBernardo, Brocchini, etc., etc., never dealt in that type of stuff (I bet my bottom dollar on it). Were there guys who did? certainly!.

Possibly a DeMeo, or a few other independents.

Believe it or not, most of these fellas did have a measure of scruples (hard as that may be for a few on here to believe). They had wives, children, moms and dads.

Porno is one thing. Raunchy porno was even a 'thing'......but that real DG stuff was mostly 'out of bounds' for most of these guys.

The guy who makes these stupid, ridiculous allegations, (in reality), never met a REAL wiseguy in his entire life. Lol.... Truth be told, he wouldn't know a wiseguy if the guy walked up to him and bit him in the ass! Yet, he talks shit constantly, like he really is in the know.

Prostitution, Pornography, Gay-bars, Titty and full-nude juice bars, etc, etc. The did ALL of that! But 'child pornography'?? thats a WHOLE different ballgame for the vast majority of wiseguys. NO self-respecting goodfella is gonna fuck around with that sort of trash.

And THIS I know 'first hand'..... it takes a real low-life to deal in that. And despite what this particular poster says (and would want us to believe), its really not that way

Your just upset cause you think people won’t click on your website and you’ll lose the revenue generated by clicks and your click through rate, if they know the truth. He was a well known dealer in it it’s been documented in over in 25 years of files and he was convicted for it.. you obviously don’t know wiseguys becuase if you did you wouldn’t be spouting bullshit and on top of the 25 years of files and his conviction I post of video of someone who was there while the fbi and postal service was raiding these places, who has documentable first hand knowledgeable unlike you. Who was one of the victims of Dibenardo and Paul Castellano....

Ianniello was one I had forgotten, he was also a WW2 hero, as was Benny "Eggs "Mangano. I think both were Genovese members.

Let's just keep posting wiseguys who we believe to be honorable just to piss Moe and Louie off.

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Lol, I wasn't even talking about you Louie.

Yep You're absolutely correct Jace. Thats a great point you bring out. And there are MANY other mafiosi (many), who also proudly served their country, and saw tremendous bloody combat in WWII, the Korean War, etc.

Defending all of us, and our American way of life, our Constitution, etc., yet, there are a few posters on here who try and 'embarrass' them if you will, try their best to reduce them. Not to racketeers. which of course they were. And we're proud of it. But to an insulting level that many of them DO NOT deserve.

The funniest part of it all, is that many of the 'men's names' who these posters put in their mouths, had more guts and honor in their little pinky finger, than these posters have in their entire bodies. (and they know it too, that what REALLY breaks their asses). Hahahahaha!

They had a set of balls like elephants, and became 'highly decorated war heros'..... and these posters have balls the size of pistachios. LOL

Not a Mafia member, but Monk Eastman was said to have been a WW1 hero.

hahahaha!

I got another for ya DD.

Colombo soldier/capo/acting boss Joseph (Little Joey) Brancato, of Greenpoint, Brooklyn. He was a renowned hero in WWII. He was awarded nearly every medal they can award a guy.

In fact, he lost his leg in the war while saving his captain and the entire platoon from the Germans. The way I heard the story the Germans had his platoon pinned down, many American GI's had been slaughtered already, and they were getting picked off little by little. Although it was a suicide mission, Little Joey went out and navigated through gunfire and was able to knock out a German machine-gun nest. He supposedly single-handedly manned the nest afterwards and turned the guns on the other germans, whacking them all out.

But he lost one of his legs while doing it from the multiple gunshots he had sustained. He went the rest of his life like that.

When he stood before a Judge on a shylock case in Nassau County years later, the judge felt compelled to put him on probation because of his war record. Even the prosecutor didn't have the balls to go against that.

THATS A HERO!!!!

From an article ron Matty the Horse Ianniello regarding a judge sentencing him in 2007:

Ianniello served as one of the acting bosses of the Genovese family following the 1997 conviction of Vincent (Chin) Gigante.
The mob chief, who won a Bronze Star for valor as an Army artillery gunner, could have received 24 months.
"It became clear there were not any recent episodes of violent conduct," assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy Treanor said. "That changed our view of him a little bit."
Ianniello also was given credit for intervening to save the life of a prison guard and for using his underworld contacts to aid in the unsuccessful search for missing 6-year-old Etan Patz in the 1980s.

Alot of these guys have these HUGE CHIPS on their shoulder's especially from back in the day.
You see they were treated like Royalty in the neighborhoods they came from and it went to their heads.

Its not like that anymore today for the most part.

Alot were STONE COLD and you could see it in their eyes

From personal experience two of the nicest wiseguys I met were Mikey Scars and Lil Robert Lino, they both conducted themselves as gentleman they were both captains when I met them so had power within their families.

I love the way they were stone cold and had that killer look in their eyes. They're not supposed to look like cuddly bears. I'm actually practicing that look. They were so cool and badass.

A lot of the old timers were more aloof thats all. A little bit they couldn't speak the language. Also, if they didn't know you, thats when many wouldn't give you the time of day. But if you were a neighborhood guy most were decent.

And then of course there were the guys who didn't exactly have what we'd call 'stellar' personalities to begin with. Then there were the hard-ons of course, lol. But there were others who were very friendly.

Its not all that different than regular type folks. everyone has their own way.

I could name a million guys. Shit, I would go as far as to say that 97% of men in that life are perfect gentlemen who would do more for you than they do would do for themselves. It is truly astounding how selfless many of them are. If I had to name one, I'd name Anthony Federici. Anthony Federici would give you both of his kidneys and pay for your kids college.

From what I know, Joe "Piney" Armone was a pretty classy guy. He didn't frequent bars,or other Mob hotspots and didn't have a mistress.He was a devoted father, faithful to his wife,often holding hands with her as they strolled through Little Italy. He treated the neighborhood people,including the cops, with courtesy and respect.

I have older family members that were very close to Pete DeFeo, and everything they say leads me to think he was a nice guy. I’d imagine if I was some poor business owner he was moving in on I wouldn’t necessarily love it. One story involved a relative of my family getting threats from some mob guys regarding a business they had on west side of manhattan. Pete was happy to help this guy out with the situation. But after that, he was expected to see Pete every now and then with an envelope.

I saw Butch DeFeo just died upstate a couple days ago

The thing is that when you know you just met,or are talking to, or even it is a friend someone that you knew, when you know they actually did the deed.
Actually killed, you looked at them a little differently than the average every day schmo that you would meet and/or talk to.

Yes I agree thats what I was referring to when I met those two even though they were captains and had power they were complete gentlemen.
They didn't have that CHIP.

Or as you put it HARD ONs
The biggest HARD ON was Charlie Moose

One day when we were teenagers Charlie got NASTY with one of Rudy Farone's nephews
The nephew spoke to his uncle and Charlie changed his tune the next week.

Why didn't you tell me who your uncle was??
Never bothered him or us when we were with him again.

I've heard Joe Arcuri was a class act

Very classy other than the mounds of heroin he sold to the population and the thousands of lives destroyed as a result....

Hahah you are such a miserable piece of shit. Why are you here if this topic disgusts you so much? You're like another Moe. I bet you still live at home like him

One of the 'nicest' mob guys around was Michael (Mike Rosie) Maione. He was a very beloved guy, and had a kind word for most everyone he met.

Lived to 97 years old, and although only a Genovese soldier. He was an original and was treated that way

I've heard this "child porn" thing over and over. Was there or has there ever been this huge market for child porn? I hear about scumbags getting busted for possession of child porn on their laptops and whatnot and it's a big deal because of how rare it is, but Moe is saying that DiBi actually had magazines full of child porn printed up that they just sold in shops? That seems highly, HIGHLY doubtful to me. Especially being able to generate big time $$$ from something like that. Or beastiality? Really? I don't put it past them to have tried to make money off it if that's the case, I just don't see how there'd be a market for that sort of thing in the 1970's. Today? Maybe. More sick fucks out there now, wouldn't surprise me.

Joe Brocchini was neck deep on 42nd, peep & bookstores, but was no where near the sick shit some are associated with. He was tough, good with his hands & a revered stand up gentleman. Took care of a lot of people and helped the world.

Joey Aiuppa and all those Outfit guys were brutal gangsters, Tony Accardo was not so bad lol.

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In 1986 federal postal inspectors discovered cartons of magazines depicting underage boys "engaged in sexually explicit conduct" at smut shops in Times Square and Greenwich Village which allegedly were distributed by DiBernardo, and during a subsequent March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986. A July 28, 1981 FBI document stated DiBernardo was "a well known pornography distributor also dealing in child pornography." Indeed, the FBI's New York field office had been monitoring DiBernardo's role in the smut trade since 1968 when he was arrested by the NYPD on his first obscenity charge for distributing a porno mag entitled Young Stuff.

There’s no debate DB was the country’s largest child pornographer

Di Bernardo was NOT, nor was he ever, charged with moving 'kiddie porn.' thats a total lie. And a magazine named 'young stuff' means nothing. It could be pics of young looking girls that are still of legal age. Its a marketing ploy.

If the FEDS ever caught any wiseguy pushing kiddie porn. They would have thrown the book at them. 10-20 years in the lockup. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN! These guys usually pled out with fines, or 1 year in the can at best. The biggest figures in the MIPORN investigation I don't even think got more than 5 years, if even that. And they served even less.

THATS NEVER THE CASE WITH KIDDIE PORN! Especially when goodfellas and the mafia are charged.

What you're saying? It's just NOT reality!

https://archive.org/details/RobertDibernardo/Robert%20Dibernardo%2001

Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn


https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/


https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/


https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/

His indictment and conviction for it



https://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/14/...icer-reported-missing-for-past-week.html

Robert DiBernardo, a reputed captain in the Gambino crime family and a key target of a Federal investigation into child pornography, is missing, authorities said yesterday.
-direct from The NY Times article




https://youtu.be/8-QN0uPOsZQ
Video of Bobby who was sex trafficked as a child by Dibenardo AND Paul Castellano and was theyre when the postal inspectors were raiding the offices for child sex trafficking and Child Pornography
He describes being sent on “dates” with men in Atlantic City and Philadelphia and New York.
I’ll quote him “DB,Paul Castellano and Theo Rothstein made millions off the trafficking of children”
He councils kids that were raped and abused and sex trafficked like him, he’s not making it up especially since DB was indicted and convicted for it along w Theo Rothstein and Paul Castellano was an Unindicted CoConspirator

The attorney generals commission on pornography
https://books.google.com/books?id=h...EwCXoECAwQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

“MI Porn resulted in many indictments for transportation of obscene materials and revealed other criminal acts resulting in indictments and forfeitures for including racketeering,possession and transfer of machine guns,silencers,child pornography, interstate violation of stolen goods”



“NY MAFIA” the way you defend a scum of the earth child trafficker really makes me think that you might have been one of theyre customers and no I’m not kidding.

LOUIE U PAZZO,

You now are accusing ME of being a customer of guys who sell child porn? LOL.... what a fucking clown you are! You wanna be nasty?

OK!
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I LITERALLY JUST BLEW YOU RIGHT OUT OF THE WATER WITH THIS BS ABOUT DI BERNARDO BEING A KIDDIE PORN DEALER.

I WROTE MY ENTIRE REBUTTAL ON THAT OTHER BLATANT 'LIE OF A THREAD'

I put the lie to what you've said. And proven that you are a blatant liar! I have shown the proof. Unlike you, who chooses to spout BS.
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PS: and by the way Louie, the way you are soooooo outraged about this alleged 'child porn.' It's such an obsession with you. Makes me REALLY think that it may be a coverup for your dark proclivities.

It really makes me (and I'm sure a few other posters on here), wonder just how you spend your time behind closed doors.

Maybe YOUR the pedophile and have the need to try and make everybody else out to be one as well, so that you feel better about yourself when you look in the mirror?

Tell us the truth Lou. Do you 'spank frank' while looking at children? Does that type of sick shit turn you on?


Go read what I posted in your other thread that calls Robert Di Bernardo a child porn dealer. I 'corrected' all your lies so that our readers know the real truth.

This and what about the Nun the Colombo family blew away during a hit in the 1980s, the Perianos were also involved in child porn as well as beastiality and snuff films that depicted children

https://www.villagevoice.com/1999/02/09/the-wiseguy-and-the-nun/

In FBI debriefings, Miciotta provided a
behind-the-scenes account of a Mafia hit that went wrong, resulting in the death of Veronica Zuraw, a 53-year-old Brooklyn woman who was struck down in her Gravesend home one night as she stored the laundry. At the time of her death, Zuraw served as a social worker with the Italian Board of Guardians. Before marrying her husband, Louis, in 1974, Zuraw, then known as Sr. Mary Adelaide, worked for the Brooklyn Catholic Diocese, for which she ran a Bensonhurst storefront that provided assistance to recent Italian immigrants.

According to newspaper accounts, Zuraw was hit in the head by stray buckshot intended for a pair of Colombo crime family figures, Joseph Peraino Sr. and his son, Joseph Jr. The Perainos were running from at least two gunmen when they ran up the stairs to the modest two-family home at 431 Lake Street. The Perainos did not know the home’s inhabitants, police said, they were just desperately seeking shelter from the pursuing hit team. The father and son were heading for the home’s concrete patio when they were both cut down by a series of shotgun blasts. The younger Peraino was killed, while his father was slightly injured.

But one wayward blast found an unintended victim.

Veronica and Louis Zuraw had purchased the Lake Street property only 10 weeks before the shooting and had recently moved into the second-floor space. They had previously lived in a Bensonhurst apartment, and this was their first house.

On the night of the shooting, Louis Zuraw was watching TV. He would later recall hearing what sounded like fireworks exploding in the street. Veronica was nearby folding laundry and placing it in a closet when, at about 8 p.m., she was struck in the head by a fusillade of shotgun pellets. One of the gunman’s shots missed the Perainos and ripped through the front door at 431 Lake Street, eventually striking Veronica Zuraw. She died on the spot.

I have no inside knowledge of what he was like in day to day life but didn't Bill Cutolo do some serious charity work?

Yes. Remember guys, there is typically 'good and bad' in everybody. Regardless of who they are, where they come from, and what the do for a living.

Some are complete creeps with no good in their souls at all. Some may be technically 'bad guys,' but do have a few redeeming qualities. And some may be very nice and decent fellas, despite the fact that they fall into the 'racketeer' category.

Just like in regular life, racket guys run the gamut from nice guys, to complete degenerates.

Hate to tell you fa***t but we are judged by the worse things we do in life, not the fact someone does good and bad

Finally, when it came time to hand down the sentence, Zagel told Lombardo he showed “some balance, some judgment and, I think, based on the evidence before me, some ability to charm people.”

“But I find that that’s really only the surface,” Zagel said. “In the end, we are judged by our actions, not about our wit or our smiles.”

“In cases like these, the things that matter most are the worst things we do,” Zagel said. “And the worst things you have done are terrible.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! WHAT A CLOWN

. Absolutely

You sound like the type of guy who never gets invited to parties

I am not defending that sick shit since it's disgusting and wrong but I love how before the 2000s 75% of wiseguys had to kill to get their button and we don't care about murdering people but the DB and Roy DeMeo shit people get all high and mighty. Don't care how many people Roy killed or if one of his rackets was more deplorable then the rest he is still someone I am in awe of for sheer perseverance and criminal will to become so wealthy by being ruthless and willing to do what no one else would.

They say Vinny Basciano was an extraordinarily jolly and friendly guy to be around. Bo Dietl used to talk about this. He used to give waiters $500 tips like it was nothing

Don't know about anything firsthand, but everything I read about him on boards and stuff leads me to believe that Vinny Basciano was indeed a well liked and very respected guy.

Super respected. He knew many rich people who would do all kinds of favors for him. I have heard that he would take learjets to Vegas for free.

No one is saying they were not gangsters who warred occasionally with other gangsters.

Frank Tieri seems to have fit the description of a classy man and a gentleman. He was friends with people from all walks of life, gave a lot to charities and also owned many honest businesses without having any hint of scandal in those businesses. On top of that he was convicted on RICO and instead of cutting a deal by giving up others he went to prison where he knew he would die without a complaint.

Tieri never served 1 day, he was already dying by the time he was convicted. And it wasn't exactly "gentlemanly" on his part to have Angelo Bruno whacked and then blame it all on Caponigro and other accomplices.

He was sentenced to prison, if he died before going you want to hold it against him go ahead. Who are your classiest or gentleman Mafia members? None I guess. You can't contribute, so you criticize those of us who do.

Well, Carlo Caputo from Madison fits the bill in my opinion, if it's really true that there were no mafia murders during the time he was boss. But I already said that in my first post.

Dwalin, that's the life Bruno, signed up for.
Bruno- had many of men whacked.

The way that these guys look at it is, they are just soliders and if they kill it's part of war.
Just the way an American soldier would kill a German in WW-2.

I am not saying I think it's right however, that's the mindset.

When Gravano, flipped at his first conversation he said " I want to switch Governments, meaning he looked at LCN, as his Government.

Good soldiers in LCN, are rewarded by LCN, the same way god American soldiers are awarded by their government.

Alot of people apply logic and common sense to the equation, you will never understand LCN if you try to evaluate from that angle.

The Mafia is Sicily at its origins was a Govt inside a Govt.

Thats what LCN, was set up to be.

I understand what you are saying; what I meant is just that I got the impression that there is some tendency to idealize some gangsters, and I wanted to express my disagreement. However, if we don't look at them by standards of law-abiding citizens, but as a separate mindset, then I agree that there are some gangsters that were better than others, there are differences between individuals like in any other people category.

100% bro. It was a parallel government for people involved in shady business. I try to explain that to people but it’s hard. Guys fully committed to the life were expected to follow orders. A lot of old timers were in WWII or Korea and it trained them for the mindset. And even if you were just an otherwise legit guy doing something on the side to make a few extra bucks they get a piece. In return you get someone to speak for you if you have a problem. Like a Congressman basically. Think of it like paying your taxes. But the irs wouldn’t kick your teeth in if you under report your income.