The Source -La Source

Starting to read to book La Source about Scoppppa.

There’s alot of informations in the book. And sometime, youre like wtf...

For exemple, Vito Rizzuto and the actor Johnny Depp went to a restaurant in the old montreal together, year after the movie donnie brasco.

Also, look like the hells angels really are above the mafia in the province of Quebec.

Why would Vito Rizzuto and Johnny Depp be out eating together? That is a WTF moment. Also, I wouldn't get too caught up over who's above who, these days they all work together to make money.

Yeah the Rizzuto-Johnny Depp got me unguard.

And for the hells angels things, seem like scoppa is a little bit ashamed of the situation. Even saying that Rizzuto would probably turn over is grave right now.

Another thing I like in the book, is how they explain the difference between Vito Rizzuto and his father Nicolo Rizzuto.
Vito was the perfect leader, like when he enter a room, everybody notice him, and want to shake is hand. And, he will always talk to you like you were is equal, even if youre a low time criminal. Always give respect to people.

Nicolo Rizzuto also is well respected. Is more like the really low profile gangster. Like old time. But the community respect him alot. Nicolo probably said that you most help the poor. And respect is the most important thing.
He helped alot of people in need, poor people. Giving them money without wanting nothing in return (no favors). Niccolo said, Respect is more important than fear.

See that right there tells me that the Rizzutos didn't thrive for so long simply because Canada is soft on organized crime. They were criminal geniuses. If American dons could go back to those old-world values they'd last a lot longer.

I think you have it a little backwards... The dons with the old-world values wouldn't want to be in America because of law enforcement scrutiny, they are savvy enough to realize that and stay in Canada where it's safer. If Vito was in America for his whole run he wouldn't have lasted as long. I still think Vito was brilliant as a boss but Canada really is waaaay softer on these guys than the U.S would be.

You're right, but a great mob boss is also a chameleon with the ability to adapt to his surroundings. Rizzuto would've had to have to adapt to his environment if he were to operate in America. Massino lasted almost a decade and a half as a mob boss in 21st Century America (let's forget about his downfall for a second, I'm making a point) Gigante lasted nearly 3 decades, Bellomo has lasted almost a decade and a half so far, Cali before he was killed by that retard had only ever spent like 8 months in prison in his entire criminal career. In 21st Century America with all of this high technology, that's extraordinary! Not every boss goes down as quickly as Gotti, Amuso, and Casso which, let's face it, they were inept, stupid as hell and hung themselves that's why they only lasted 5 years. Gotti, Amuso, and Casso would be poor examples to use, they didn't even try to they might as well have walked into the police station and turned themselves in. And even Rizzuto spent only a few years in an American prison for his role in 3 murders. Not every boss gets slammed with 100-year sentences like the Commission bosses my point is instead of making blanketed statements I think it's better to look at things on a case-by-case basis, not everything is black-and-white or clear-cut.

Is this book available in English??

How far along in the book are you? I want to discuss but not spoil....

Something that surprised me was how feared Ducarme Joseph was in the street.
Also just how involved the Rizzutos were as far as drug territories

I dont think so

Well I knew that Ducarme was heavy in the street. In the Montreal haitian community, his name was popping alot. And there are other haitian names that are also heavy, but they are not on the radar of the press.

There’s also other rumors on Ducarme.

Yeah, the Rizzuto were heavy in the drug game.
But after reading the book, I would really like to know how the underground world work right now?
The position of the hells angels, the rizzuto, the street gangs, sollecito, woolley etc

I was in Montreal, maybe six weeks prior to Ducarme being murdered, it was so messed when I went down there.

I was asking around about a couple things, including MOM, even went to TriStar to do some MMA, be seen, etc. I couldn't get anyone to even really talk with me, or point me in the direction of anyone who could help. The strangest thing was the Algerians, which I have now found out are big in Toronto, had something to do with the Mosque (wahhabi), which I think is ISIS.

Are the Asians big in Montreal, like Toronto and BC? Reason being, I knew a guys' who bro was BCB, like over 20 years ago, and that maybe they are the ones who actually killed Ducarme? Turned out that they are apparently big into Heroin via Rizzuto, I haven't been back to Montreal since, just because it was so strange!!

https://globalnews.ca/news/4667198/who-are-the-big-circle-boys/

Yeah the Algerians are a factor now in Montreal and Laval.

The asians are known in Montreal for producing weed and frauds. And there always rumors about chinatown, but those are the same rumors about every chinatowns in the world lol.

And BCB or asian groups didn’t killed Ducarme.

Right on, thanks! It was so fast moving and confusing, plus everything that happened since, it’s better to be safe then dead 💀 lol

Yes better be alive then dead.

But Montreal is really safe right now. Most people that get killed are people that were heavy in the drug game. Montreal is safer than others canadian cities that got many street gangs and biker wars, like toronto, calgary, winnipeg and others.

Spoilers for the book the Source

But the book madd me respect more the mob as hitmen.
Ponytail was really bout it.

But I dont know if you could really believe the things said about Sollecito in the book. Scoppa and Sollecito hated eachother, so I guess some stuff that Scoppa said, are probably juse hate....

Also, the murder of Nicolo Rizzuto..... in the book, its like they are saying that maybe Scoppa or his brother were involved. If true, the Scoppa brothers were really snakes. Talking about how they loved Vito, but were maybe involved in the murder of his father...

There is no English translation and so far there are no plans to produce one

Right on, I really do love the city, I’ve been there for fights before, I was hoping to extend my stay and maybe of moved into the dorms at TrisStar. I knew guys, that did, distant memory lol

Does it say anything about Hamilton or the HA 95 Nomads, was hearing a ton of stuff about them as well.

Charlesbois killed himself in 2013, and Stadnik came back to Hamilton in 2014 at the end of that year. Shortly after that, the Red Devils in Hamilton, became the bigger club the Bacchus, since then, lots of mob killings, does Scoppa mention anything about either?

Right on, I really do love the city, I’ve been there for fights before, I was hoping to extend my stay and maybe of moved into the dorms at TrisStar. I knew guys, that did, distant memory lol

Does it say anything about Hamilton or the HA 95 Nomads, was hearing a ton of stuff about them as well.

Charlesbois killed himself in 2013, and Stadnik came back to Hamilton in 2014 at the end of that year. Shortly after that, the Red Devils in Hamilton, became the bigger club the Bacchus, since then, lots of mob killings, does Scoppa mention anything about either?[/

No Scoppa doesn’t mention the situation in Hamilton.
The only things they mentioned in the book about ontario, is that Vito went to
toronto first, to see if the ontario families had something to do about the murders of
His family

Thats to bad, people from this forum would probably really like this book

I just finished the book

Something I couldnt wrap my head around.....

Scoppa was said to be worth 20 million liquid. He didnt do any gambling operations that they mentioned in the book. Or really any other big rackets, he had a couple companies, I forget which ones right now. But he said he ONLY made 2 grand off of every kilo, yet hes described as one of, if not the biggest importers. This made very little sense to me, especially considering he was directly controlling street operations, so not just wholesaling.

What was your take on that?

Any stories on Ducarme Joseph you would like to share would be great...

I gotta find the articles, but there were some murders in Montreal, amongst street gangs that I believe were tied to some of Sal Scoppas old territory. I thought it coincidental that Greg Whooley was recently released. He was caught on wire wanting Sal Scoppa dead. I wondered if he wasnt consolidating territory, also if hes still close to Sollecito, and if the pact still holds.

Who do you think the Mafia people in Toronto are? Italy? That really threw me off....

I say that just because a mobster says he only made 2 grand per kilo, don't believe him. Francesco Del Balso claimed to be just a simple grocery store worker, yet somehow managed to gamble away $8 million at casinos. These are people who if they revealed their true wealth their assets will be frozen and seized. And these are people who make a living from lying and scheming. We can never really know the truth, and definitely don't take their word for it.

Great point on Del Balso. Yeah, I figured he was playing the journalist with that one...

From Colombia to New York City: The narconomics of cocaine..it’s in American dollars and used New York as the example tho.

https://www.businessinsider.com/from-colombia-to-new-york-city-the-economics-of-cocaine-2015-7

Well everything he said about himself (scopoa) in the book, I tend not to believe everything. He’s the kind to minimise his involvment in some cases. So I guess, he wont say everything to felix. If the media say he was the biggest or one of the biggest drud dealer in Canada, he most of made more than what ws said in the book.

For Ducarme, alot of rumorw were said in Montreal, specialy is old neigborhood saint-michel. I lived in saint-michel for about two years, and you heard alot bout him, before his death and after. Rumors about his previous wars, how his old crew were money makers but also some of the best killers in the city (I guess thats why he was so feared), and also rumors about who set him up.

And the murder of Street gangs members and Scoppa is probably right. Two gangs members were killed (reds), and the two looked like they were involved with Scoppa. Probably members of his crew made of lebaneses, haitians and some italians. Look like they were all involved in the heroin drug trade.

I wonder if Wooley had something to do with all that, since he was released probably days or weeks before

Greg Woolley was in on the attempted murder of Raynald Desjardins with MOM Boucher, I think that’s what he was arrested for in 2015?

Both MOM and Gregory Woolley seem to at least in the past been loyal to Rizzuto, what does Rizzuto stand for now, the son, Leonardo and Sollecito? Prior, it was Vito or Niccolo.

Although this English version of La source won't be published till June 7, 2022, it will be worth your wait.

Below are the Amazon Canada and Amazon US links. As far as I know, only a paperback version will be available, and its release will not be delayed by Amazon US.

Inside the Montreal Mafia: The Confessions of Andrew Scoppa

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1770416676/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_RCASBBKMWY063YWZ3CRP

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1770416676/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_RCASBBKMWY063YWZ3CRP

See also http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1021010#Post1021010.

did a quick search this existing thread popped up would be as good as any dixiemafia.

Thanks Vito!

I’d take it with a grain of salt with a few things like someone mentioned above with Sollecito, Scoppa for sure wanted Sauce dead so for sure I could see some of that info being messed up. I’d say there is some truth in there as well though.

I’ll list my other comments as I finish the book this second time. Anyone on the edge about buying this book go ahead and pull the trigger. Very good read as Anti mentioned. I read this in 2 nights, I just couldn’t put the damn book down???? there are other questions I wished they would have asked him too but oh well. The Scoppa’s were as snakey/cagey as he claimed Sollecito is, that’s for damn sure!

Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet.

Is it true that Felix Seguin’s birthday is the same day Scoppa was killed: October 21?

Yes.

From La Source:

Andrea Scoppa est mort le 21 octobre 2019, le jour de mon anniversaire, atteint d'une balle en plein visage.


From the ICI Radio-Canada site (https://ici.radio-canada.ca/ohdio/p...guin-hells-angels-mafia-enquete-quebecor):

Né le 21 octobre 1977, Félix Séguin a entamé sa carrière ....

Coincidence or message?

^^^^
Birthday present?

Something like that

What if word went out that he’d been talking to the press?

It’d be the perfect message: we know he’s been talking…to you specifically

His name was actually leaked as being one of the rats so it wouldn't surprise me for real.

No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true.

Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL

yes the narrative of the 2 scoppa brothers not being connected at all is rubbish. of course when push came to shove the lined up together. im sure at times they werent working hand in hand controlling territory and rackets, but from 2015 and on they sure were. their other brother roberto was not involved with them that is for sure. roberto continues to have connections to illegal dumping but that seems to be all.

They didn't insinuate Stefano Sollecito was behind Lorenzo Giordano's murder. This is what they said.

"Who had killed him? Maybe Andrew had something to do with it; the police certainly suspected his brother Salvatore."

Lorenzo Giordano's killer has been arrested and convicted already. Dominico Scarfo was arrested in 2019 and was convicted of Lorenzo Giordano's murder last year. He was arrested with Jonathan Massari Guy Dion and Marie Josee Viau and all of them have gone to trial and were convicted and sentenced to life except for Guy Dion. Guy Dion was acquitted and everyone else has appealed their convictions. Marie Josee Viau is out pending her new trial.

agreed mafia. scarfo was arrested, charged and convicted of murder of giordano. scarfo worked directly under salvatore scoppa. case closed.
all of which came to conclusion recently.

Guess I should of mentioned the four arrested were working under Salvatore Scoppa

Ahhh I totally forgot about that. I got to stay around and stay more current

Also, has anybody heard if Desjardins and Mirarchi are still on the outs like Scoppa said? I never understood why he skipped out in the Montagna charge when Mirarchi and others fought the case while Desjardins took his plea unless he wanted to get away for a while to be safe behind bars which he clearly wasn’t

I was surprised to learn that it was Roger Valiquette that tried to kill Desjardins and not Montagna; but nevertheless Montagna's aggressiveness and move on the Rizzuto's turf, would probably had him killed anyway .

One question about Montagna: can we say for sure that no payback was ever carried out after his death? Desjardin’s faction got hit too so maybe one of those killed was retribution. Thoughts?

I haven't seen any evidence yet but it doesn't exclude a family member or associate from seeking revenge in the future. Most of his crew from Montreal that were supporting him have been killed, defected or closed operations . The media hasn't been reporting about the Arcuri's for a while.

Another interesting fact, as stated in the book, this excerpt was taken from wiretaps documents filed in court as part of Project Magot.

Which reads: Stefano said Leo was like a marshmallow. He didn't have the backbone to tell others what to do. Stefano added (three Mafiosi) had no balls and had trouble not doing their jobs, and that Leo was the reason Stefano's hands were tied."

Who is he referring to as Leo and three mafiosi ?

I'll leave it to your imagination.

The above information was taken from p148 English copy of Inside the Montreal Mafia book

Yea that was surprising for sure. I thought 100% Montagna would have been the one behind it. They definitely more cutthroat North of the border but I agree, eventually this goes South. Desjardins is as cagey as any of them and I think Montagna would have tried to give him up or turn on him eventually

Y

I agree he is cagey and cunning. The relationship between Montagna and Desjardins could of lasted if it weren't for Montagna's greed. He wanted to raises street taxes , keep most of the proceeds earned from the gambling book and more. That pissed a lot of people. Had he done his home work, he would of realized that the war against the Rizzuto's, was started by the drug dealers over money.

Félix Séguin et le parrain de la mafia: «J’ai réalisé que cette relation professionnelle devenait trop personnelle pour lui»
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...nelle-devenait-trop-personnelle-pour-lui