Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/06/2101:30 AM
Over the past month, I have been thoroughly researching the Kansas City underworld. What I found totally intrigued me.
“The Outfit†as it is widely known, had been at the very forefront of police and political corruption, government infiltration, and casino skimming, for many decades.
And that’s not even addressing their near total monolithic control over racket operations in the city and it’s outlying territories.
So buckle up folks! Because you’re in for a wild ride!
And now, without further ado.....The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri!
PS: It worked out real nice. Lol... because this weekend for the Super Bowl its the KC Chiefs vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I highlighted the "Chief" of the KC Outfit. Enjoy!
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/06/2112:59 PM
This particular crew took me an extra long time to put together for you guys. Almost a month.
As I researched them, I found myself wanting to delve further and further into their Outfit..... Its become a short novel! Lol..... but I hope you think it was worth the time and effort.
I like to think it came out nice. And I guess because KC was one of the more foreign crews to me and I was unfamiliar with them, I thoroughly enjoyed creating it
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/06/2101:01 PM
It's definitely a big and thorough great, thanks! I was always interested in KC; also because it always seemed a city with plenty of mob opportunities to me.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/06/2104:26 PM
Very nice article...good work guys your doing a great job...let’s keep expanding and getting more clicks and a higher click through rate....no super bowl for you guys if we wanna make our website as successful as possible,no breaks,no time off..we can’t stop..we won’t stop... let’s get the other article out by tomorrow that takes the reader through 2009 and the bookmaking and stolen property indictments...
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/08/2109:10 PM
Although Cosa Nostra is on the ropes nationwide today, and many of the smaller Families have indeed become extinct. It seems that the Kansas City Outfit is in the enviable position of still maintaining a functioning borgata.
As late as the early 2000s, mob historians and law enforcement reported the Kansas City mob as still active. Here is a known membership list of their small, but operational rank and file:
Johnny Joe Sciortino - Boss Peter Sciortino - Underboss ----- Vincent Civella - capo James Moretina - capo Peter Ribaste - capo William Cammisano Jr. - capo
------- Soldiers/Associates ------- Joseph Barletta John Calia Gerard Cammisano Carlo Cavallaro Anthony Chiavola Jr. Carmen Civella John Cuezze Frank DeLuna Richard DeLuna James Di Capo John Mandacina Joseph Mandacina Benjamin Palmentere Eugene Picone Vincent Pisciotta Joseph Ragusa Louis Ribaste Anthony Sansone Michael Sansone Samuel Scardino Samuel Sciortino Anthony Simone Philip Simone John Termini ---------------------- There are also most probably members and associates who are still unknown to law enforcement.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2112:05 AM
Kansas City is not alive
There is only between 4-10 made guys still alive from KC and all of them are ancient.
The FBI and just about every credible reporter/insider maintains that their are only 9 families left active. Outside of New York the remaining four are
Chicago New England Philly Jersey
The only two families still somewhat up in the air are Detroit and Buffalo
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2112:18 AM
There may be some remnants left still active but Scott Burnstein stated this in 2015
“The Italian mafia in Kansas City is a small, quiet crime family, probably on its’ last legs with only a few loose remnants of a time when the syndicate operated on a much larger scale and held national prominence decades ago, per exclusive Gangster Report sources. These sources place membership in the K.C. mob at “a dozen people or less†and claim its rackets mostly consist of gambling and loan sharking.â€
There probably is a few old guys still making a bit of money in KC but it’s far from a serious family
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2104:45 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Although Cosa Nostra is on the ropes nationwide today, and many of the smaller Families have indeed become extinct. It seems that the Kansas City Outfit is in the enviable position of still maintaining a functioning borgata.
As late as the early 2000s, mob historians and law enforcement reported the Kansas City mob as still active. Here is a known membership list of their small, but operational rank and file:
Johnny Joe Sciortino - Boss Peter Sciortino - Underboss ----- Vincent Civella - capo James Moretina - capo Peter Ribaste - capo William Cammisano Jr. - capo
------- Soldiers/Associates ------- Joseph Barletta John Calia Gerard Cammisano Carlo Cavallaro Anthony Chiavola Jr. Carmen Civella John Cuezze Frank DeLuna Richard DeLuna James Di Capo John Mandacina Joseph Mandacina Benjamin Palmentere Eugene Picone Vincent Pisciotta Joseph Ragusa Louis Ribaste Anthony Sansone Michael Sansone Samuel Scardino Samuel Sciortino Anthony Simone Philip Simone John Termini ---------------------- There are also most probably members and associates who are still unknown to law enforcement.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2104:49 PM
Well if you notice fellas, I list approximately 25-30 or so members AND "associates".... thats very plausible to me.
Because if you have even 5-8 formal members or so left over. Each typically has a few "associates" who are around them. So my total of 25-30 total affiliates starts to make sense no?
I am sure they are not 100% dead. But have one foot in the grave. So a small handful of members, coupled with 2-3 associates each is viable IMO
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2107:01 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Well if you notice fellas, I list approximately 25-30 or so members AND "associates".... thats very plausible to me.
Because if you have even 5-8 formal members or so left over. Each typically has a few "associates" who are around them. So my total of 25-30 total affiliates starts to make sense no?
I am sure they are not 100% dead. But have one foot in the grave. So a small handful of members, coupled with 2-3 associates each is viable IMO
The list you made would indicate a highly structured organization with an administration, several captains and made guys.
Nowhere else is this being reported by anyone credible, the organization you listed would be on par with what's left of Chicago.
There hasn't been a mob investigation in Kansas City in over 11 years and even then it was reported that it was just a handful of old fucks with some gambling operations.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2108:30 PM
Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/12/2111:35 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/16/2104:22 PM
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/16/2104:46 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Over the past month, I have been thoroughly researching the Kansas City underworld. What I found totally intrigued me.
“The Outfit†as it is widely known, had been at the very forefront of police and political corruption, government infiltration, and casino skimming, for many decades.
And that’s not even addressing their near total monolithic control over racket operations in the city and it’s outlying territories.
So buckle up folks! Because you’re in for a wild ride!
And now, without further ado.....The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri!
PS: It worked out real nice. Lol... because this weekend for the Super Bowl its the KC Chiefs vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I highlighted the "Chief" of the KC Outfit. Enjoy!
really awesome podcast on Apple with 2 guys from the KC area and they discuss the mafia in general called gangland wire really cool show
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/16/2105:16 PM
Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/18/2110:00 AM
Originally Posted by BarrettM
Was Binaggio well respected as a don?
At the beginning yes he was, but he was doubled crossed by Forrest Smith. Binaggio made the mistake of putting all his eggs in one basket. His gambling plans did not fall through, he could not pay back the loans that Charles Fischetti of Chicago, Joe Adonis of the Genoveses, and there was one more, maybe Frank Costello, and it had cost some of the members in his own family a nice chunck of cash. Despite what some will say, the hit came from within his own family, I am sure Chicago, St. Louis, and New York did not need to convince the shooters to kill Binaggio and his enforcer.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/21/2106:39 AM
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Well in 2000 (twenty-one years ago). It was said that was the basic structure. Now, as you say, there hasn't been any mob cases to speak of in years. So who knows who's still left standing, or active if they are still standing.
But the positions I gave were believed to be in place at that time. The "soldiers" and "associates" are a different story. Most of those listed I think may have been "associates" per se. But because I am not familiar enough with their membership, I wasn't gonna validate who is made and who wasn't understand?
But they were all still players "on the field" at that time. If you look at some of their ages, today they would be in their late 50s, 60s, 70s. Some are dead or incapacitated I'd imagine.
Nonetheless, regardless of how "formal" their hierarchy may or may not be at the moment. My point is that there is still a few guys left.
In comparison to a place like NYC, they don't even amount to one single crew we have here. But that doesn't mean they don't still book, shy a few loans, scheme a few things, etc
Kanas City is still around, The amount of made members they had even in the heyday was over blow but your talking about 15 made members another 20-30 hardcore associates and they’re involved in bookmaking,shylocking, collecting money from criminals that pay them for the “prestige†of working w a Cosa Nostra Family and dabble in drugs and own strip clubs and vending companies... To sum it up they once skimmed from Vegas Casinos now they skim from ATM machines they operate and service(which Vince Civella was convicted of in 2013)
There is very little activity going on, there is not a formal family, you have what amounts to a small crew operating. there are not 15 made members remaining active on the streets.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/21/2106:56 AM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Although Cosa Nostra is on the ropes nationwide today, and many of the smaller Families have indeed become extinct. It seems that the Kansas City Outfit is in the enviable position of still maintaining a functioning borgata.
As late as the early 2000s, mob historians and law enforcement reported the Kansas City mob as still active. Here is a known membership list of their small, but operational rank and file:
Johnny Joe Sciortino - semi retired resides in AZ Peter Sciortino - Underboss but the last name is Simone ----- Vincent Civella - James Moretina - Peter Ribaste - there are no capos William Cammisano Jr. -
------- Soldiers/Associates ------- Joseph Barletta IN ACTIVE ohn Calia DEAD Gerard Cammisano HIS NAME IS GERLARMO NOT GERARD Carlo Cavallaro CRAZE IS DEAD Anthony Chiavola Jr. DEAD Carmen Civella NOT IN THE LIFE John Cuezze Frank DeLuna Richard DeLuna DEAD James Di Capo DEAD John Mandacina IN PRISON Joseph Mandacina Benjamin Palmentere IN ACTIVE Eugene Picone IN ACTIVE Vincent Pisciotta IN PRISON 30 YEARS Joseph Ragusa RAGS IS DEAD Louis Ribaste LOUIE HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS Anthony Sansone ASSOCIATE Michael Sansone ASSOCIATE Samuel Scardino INACTIVE Samuel Sciortino NEVER IN THE LIFE Anthony Simone INACTIVE Philip Simone big phil is dead little phil not involvec John Termini very old associate.
you forgot Joe Viglituro john Ribaste died this year Micheal Lombardo dead Paul Varsalona {made} died Tony Conforti dead Pat Obrien dead Paul Silvio active Joe Pete Simone Toiny Civella Jr. Chuck Ponti Dead Dominic Scola Sal Begulia Mike Badaluca Joe Moretina Mark Sorrentino IN prison 20 years
Sorry but this chart needs serious updating
---------------------- There are also most probably members and associates who are still unknown to law enforcement.
Re: The Outfit of Kansas City, Missouri - 02/21/2102:19 PM
Originally Posted by Rat
Kansas City is not alive
There is only between 4-10 made guys still alive from KC and all of them are ancient.
The FBI and just about every credible reporter/insider maintains that their are only 9 families left active. Outside of New York the remaining four are
Chicago New England Philly Jersey
The only two families still somewhat up in the air are Detroit and Buffalo
Detroit is not up in the air. They are around. Small family yes, but extremely active and still quite powerful. Buffalo is basically a wealthy drug crew.
Cammisano, William Jr. "Little Willie" capo son of William born around 1948 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Civella, Vincent "Vince" capo son of Anthony involved in illegal gambling and sports betting born around 1956 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
LaBruzzo, Nicholas "Nick" soldier owner of Chubby's Bar-B-Q reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Mandacina, John soldier involved in illegal gambling and bookmaking sentenced to life in prison on September 7, 1993 born around 1948 in Kansas City reported to b e still alive and in prison
Moretina, James soldier son of Charles became a made member in 1989 co-owner of Be Amused Vending & Amusement Company born around 1949 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Palmentere, Benjamin "Ben" soldier owner of Palmentere Brothers Distributing Company born around 1951 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Gladstone, MO
Ribaste, Peter Joseph "Pete" soldier became a made member in 1989 owner of Totally Nude Temptations Strip Club born on September 29, 1954 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Sciortino, John Joseph "Johnny Joe" became the boss after the death of Tony Civella in 2006 born around 1942 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Simone, Anthony "Tony" soldier owner of the Necco Coffee Company born around 1945 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Simone, Peter Joseph "Las Vegas Pete" underboss cousin of Anthony involved in illegal gambling and sports betting born around 1945 in Kansas City reported to be still alive and living in Kansas City
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/22/2112:57 AM
Nick Labruzzo is no longer active, Ben Palmentere is no longer active, his coimpany has the exclusive distributorship in the city for Red Bull, this is a multimillion dollar distributorship. he is legit as they get, Johnny Joe is semi retired and spends most of his time in AZ., Anthony Simone is not active, I am not sure where you got your information on when Ribaaste and Moretina were made. Not that they arnt but I am noit sure it was in 89.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/22/2108:13 PM
I don't doubt that there may be a few of these fellas left over. Similar to many cities where there was once a major Cosa Nostra presence.
Not a full blown family. Maybe not even a full blow regime or crew. But quite possibly a few stragglers still plying their trade of booking sports, or running a card game or two.
One to two made members (or not). Or possibly a few mob associates still trying to earn a few.
99% of these secondary locations where organized crime once thrived still have some smoke smoldering in the shadows. But are they a real "presence?" probably not
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/22/2110:01 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
I don't doubt that there may be a few of these fellas left over. Similar to many cities where there was once a major Cosa Nostra presence.
Not a full blown family. Maybe not even a full blow regime or crew. But quite possibly a few stragglers still plying their trade of booking sports, or running a card game or two.
One to two made members (or not). Or possibly a few mob associates still trying to earn a few.
99% of these secondary locations where organized crime once thrived still have some smoke smoldering in the shadows. But are they a real "presence?" probably not
Theres 100% more than this going on in Kansas City about 15 made members and theyre involved in everything from Fencing stolen goods to strip clubs to skimming ATM machines to Sports Betting
At a Tuesday hearing, prosecutors said they wanted to delay disclosure of two witnesses until the night before they testify. The motion makes it clear why: The witnesses fear for their safety.
It says they will receive money to relocate from Kansas City after their testimony.
According to the filing, the FBI believes “that Vincent Pisciotta is a ‘made member’ of the Kansas City LCN and that Mark Sorrentino is a close associate of that criminal enterprise.â€
“LCN†refers to La Cosa Nostra, another name for the Mafia.
"From 2011 through 2013, Civella owned and operated a company called C Management Group, LLC, which serviced 35 ATMs in the Kansas City, Mo., metropolitan area. The money in the ATMs belonged to U.S. Bank. Civella stole $330,040 from the ATMs by obtaining a maintenance code to access the machines. Civella moved money between the ATM machines in order to conceal the theft."
This is from 2010 in the Sports betting and Fencing stolen property pleas...11 witnesses were cited for contempt for refusing to testify and spent over 1500 days total in custody....
These were the defendants and their ages Gerlarmo Cammisano, also known as “Jerry,†57, Vincent F. Civella, 53 Michael C. Sansone, 31 Anthony V. Sansone, 28 Michael V. Badalucco, 27 Charles J. Simone, 26 James J. Moretina, 61 William D. Cammisano, Jr., also known as “Willie,†61 Michael J. Lombardo, 55, James L. Dicapo, also known as “Jimmy,†58
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/22/2110:50 PM
Excellent information!! So here IS the proof that a KC network still exits. And considering that many of the surnames were known and notorious names in the KC mafia from years back such as; Civella, Cammisano, Sansone, and Moretina, I'd say there was still a "small" formal borgata there. Especially that several of those arrested were documented by the feds as "made" members.
Even a crew of 20+/- mix of made guys and close associates. THAT constitutes as "borgata" as we know it.
Good work on pulling those documents and court files
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2112:51 AM
Originally Posted by DillyDolly
So if there's still an Italian-American organized crime presence in Kansas City, I know there's DEFINITELY something still going on in Chicago.
IMO there is most certainly a presence in Chicago. Albeit a small footprint for sure. A wisp of their former selves. But I'd say there are made guys and a crew there. However tiny they may be nowadays
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2101:06 AM
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by DillyDolly
So if there's still an Italian-American organized crime presence in Kansas City, I know there's DEFINITELY something still going on in Chicago.
The mob in KC is nothing more than a gambling ring,yes there are men that have the same surnames of historical members but that isnt enought.
------- I don't know that I'd agree with that assessment Furio. They got pinched FOR running a gambling ring. That doesn't mean thats their only racket. And so what if it is?
If "made" guys are involved. And there's even a handful them. Which they're obviously are. Plus a small crew of associates around them. That could constitute a "regime." No??
They would/could/might be similar to the Lou Morici/Frank Corbi regime that operated in the City of Baltimore for decades. They were a formal, recognized regime of the larger NYC based Anastasia/Gambino Family. Morici/Corbi were the succeeding capos of the city. There was NO entire borgata per se.
But this single "regime" of the Gambino Family, who had sole mafia control over the entire city of Baltimore.
Nowadays in KC, it may very well be the same scenario. These people may operate independently. Or they could now be "coming into" a larger borgata such as Detroit. Or one of the NYC borgatas who currently "service" them as its called.
The scenario I just presented is a VERY, VERY, real possibility. Especially in light of the current state of CN in this country.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2102:32 AM
To me the fact that there are still gangsters of the same bloodlines as historical members says that Italian-American OC is deeply rooted in KC and isn't going anywhere. It will likely always be there in some form or another, regardless if you think they're a legitimate borgata or not. But that's my opinion.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2102:36 AM
I don’t see how it’s debatable, even if you don’t take my word for it, the FBI believes there’s a Cosa Nostra family and in the last 10 years they have been arrested,convicted and plead guilty for everything from Sports betting,Fencing Stolen Goods, Stealing from ATM machines to Arson to collect insurance money
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2110:55 AM
NYMafia a bunch of old made men and some associates doesnt make a family because even Pittsburgh had a recent gambling bust but everyone know that is dead as family. Today the nephews of historical members use their surnames and connections to made money but there are no hierarchy,no induction ceremonies.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2105:57 PM
Seems to me some folks refuse to acknowledge they may have been wrong in the past and will now just stubbornly deny KC is active. I personally believe they exist and that it is a family. Besides, I'm not sure I ever saw anywhere that in order to be a family you had to be a certain size. Was that determined when Luciano established the current organization of the mob, I missed it in the rules I guess. Maybe we shouldn't get caught up in the size of the family, and focus more on the activities and in the case of KC, I think they're legit. But I also always thought Buffalo was and was told how wrong I was it was a dead family. So...
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2106:28 PM
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
NYMafia a bunch of old made men and some associates doesnt make a family because even Pittsburgh had a recent gambling bust but everyone know that is dead as family. Today the nephews of historical members use their surnames and connections to made money but there are no hierarchy,no induction ceremonies.
Not necessarily true. Pittsburhg is shot. There are NO made guys or surnames of dependents who as made guys operating. Period!
But Cammisano, Civella, etc?? these are "made guys" - direct descendants. There IS some structure there IMO. You could be a goodfellow from Hawaii, hanging out with the coconuts. But if your "made" you are ALWAYS a part of Cosa Nostra. Period. And would be welcomed into whatever borgata is closest to your geographic area to "come into"
Thats a fact!
So I respectfully disagree with what you're saying
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2106:33 PM
Originally Posted by majicrat
Seems to me some folks refuse to acknowledge they may have been wrong in the past and will now just stubbornly deny KC is active. I personally believe they exist and that it is a family. Besides, I'm not sure I ever saw anywhere that in order to be a family you had to be a certain size. Was that determined when Luciano established the current organization of the mob, I missed it in the rules I guess. Maybe we shouldn't get caught up in the size of the family, and focus more on the activities and in the case of KC, I think they're legit. But I also always thought Buffalo was and was told how wrong I was it was a dead family. So...
agreed. another way to view it is this. It traditionally took "10" members to be a recognized "Family" But even if they do NOT have 10 "made" members, They would still be considered, could be, and probably are, a "satellite crew" of a larger traditional family from out of state. If not in KC, because they are shot, then maybe the Detroit Family who is still a fully functioning borgata, Or Chicago, or a NYC crew, etc.
My bet would be that they get "serviced" by Detroit if they have a problem. IMO
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2107:18 PM
NYMafia, sounds reasonable to me. My only disagreement is with the attachment to another family. I have nothing to base this on except my opinion. Why would KC need to be with a "traditional" family. One, they're their own traditional family which you have written about very well. Two, in this day and age if I were a smaller viable family (which I think they are) why would I need another family to protect me and/or settle my disputes. Today's mob is just not big enough, or TOUGH enough (im talking out west now) to intrude on another families turf. not like in the past when Chicago would send a crew of "killers" to make you change your mind. I just don't see that in todays mob, maybe, just maybe in NY with CT, or NJ for example. But who's strong and big enough to send a crew out to KC and convince them to cooperate if they don't want to out there? And to force them to pay tribute to the larger family for protection? I don't see it. And if it's happening, then maybe we're all underestimating the power and influence of todays mob. (I hope the above made sense typed it quick)
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2107:34 PM
Originally Posted by majicrat
NYMafia, sounds reasonable to me. My only disagreement is with the attachment to another family. I have nothing to base this on except my opinion. Why would KC need to be with a "traditional" family. One, they're their own traditional family which you have written about very well. Two, in this day and age if I were a smaller viable family (which I think they are) why would I need another family to protect me and/or settle my disputes. Today's mob is just not big enough, or TOUGH enough (im talking out west now) to intrude on another families turf. not like in the past when Chicago would send a crew of "killers" to make you change your mind. I just don't see that in todays mob, maybe, just maybe in NY with CT, or NJ for example. But who's strong and big enough to send a crew out to KC and convince them to cooperate if they don't want to out there? And to force them to pay tribute to the larger family for protection? I don't see it. And if it's happening, then maybe we're all underestimating the power and influence of todays mob. (I hope the above made sense typed it quick)
Good point. If they DO HAVE say, 10-15 goodfellas left, and associates around those made guys. Then you are correct in your assessment. But if there are only 2,3, or 4 made guys left. With no "lifeline" to a TRUE fully recognized borgata, then these individual made guys are essentially "independents".........that could very well be. But they then are NOT a family per se. Just a few remnants of what once was, bouncing around and making a few dollars the best they can.
If there IS a KC mob structure in places, (and through my studies I truly believe that there is), then this entire conversation we're having is moot. Agreed?
If their is NO central command "hierarchy" in control (NO KC family), then it stands to reason that any left over soldiers require a "home" so to speak. And Detroit, being closest in proximity to them, would be my choice as a "home base"
It all depends upon how many guys (made) are left. And I don't care if they are running a book, a shy, babania, or all 3 of the above. Thats window dressing, and doesn't affect our conversation. Regardless of their activities, they are still a borgata if they have a hierarchy.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/23/2111:10 PM
When happned the last making ceremony in KC? If they have only few made men left what prevent them to made the associates? Detroit its basicaly a family made by the Zerilli,Tocco,Giacalone families members,that saved it. If they were a viale family like Chicago or Detroit,they would made new blood and maybe send emissaries to the nearest families maybe NY to be recognized. Doesn’t count the size but to be active and recognized.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2104:55 AM
I just finished a 1 year probation violation for being in the company of felons and members of organized crime. My violation was being seen in the company i.e. having breakfast with two of the names on your llist.. I have known some of these guys all of my life having grown up in the Columbas Park/Northeast section of Kansas City which in those days was little Italy, it has since moved north of Kansas City. My Uncle was Paul Varsalona, he was a made member of Corky Civella's crew. He was listed in Tony Civell'a's obituary. As a young child I met the people you write about and in fact many of them were family, to include Uncle Nick. Many of the current "family" I grew up with and went to school with. I spent almost 30 years working for my Uncle Paulie and then later on others, I was not much more than a knock around guy, who could make money with balls bigger than my brains. Some of those 30 years were spent in lock up, my friends know I can be trusted and thats enough for me. I say all of this to make one point. I know whats going on in KC, I know whats not and whos is who and who is not. Are there some young guys who think they are gangsters because they can move a little weed or some coke, yeah, are they guys who could carry Carl Deluna's water bottle, no. I wont discuss what and who is doing anything now, but if you want to know the history I ll talk about that. II ll talk about cases that have occured, you mention Tony C's arrest and conviction for skimming ATM machines, I was there when the FBI came into the store and siezed the ATM machine at Scolas store. I was visiting my friend Chucky Ponti who was on record with Paulie Scola, till he died.. He continued working with the Scolas until he died late last year. Anyway you can believe me or you can chose not to, it doesn't really matter to me, but my history will speak for itself, when Vince Piscotta and Mark Sorrentino were arrested for Arson, I told everyone before it was announced that it was mob related in fact I argued with Wiseguy on this forum about that only to be proven right when the FBI announced that Vince was a made member and Mark was an associate. Like I said believe it or not I could careless, There is more going on then some say and less going on than others on here.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2107:03 AM
Originally Posted by joey_dice
There are five made guys still active to varying degrees.
I am not from the midwest, let along KC per se. I come out of NYC. So I can only speak from the extensive research I've done on the KC mob, not personal experience of living there and knowing people. But what you say, and the way you say it, has the "ring" of truth to me.
I've seen a lot of bullshitters, and I gotta say that you do not sound like one of them.
From what I've learned about KC (and some of the other crews located in other various states), I DO believe there is a "presence" of Cosa Nostra still around in KC.
I also strongly believe (contrary to some of my previous statements), that there is also a small crew in St. Louis, and a few other towns and cities throughout the U.S.
As I've written previously, some would be considered a loosely based "crew," some have enough structure that they have a capo or maybe two, who govern 5 to 10 soldiers or so. Who in turn oversee another 10-15 associate-members. Certainly, when taken collectively, a grouping such as this could be considered a formal "regime" of a larger Family technically "outside" their geographical territory, yet who "oversee" this semi-independent regime.
Likewise, let's say they still had enough formal "members" who decided to vote in a "boss" per se, to govern the crew, and he in turn named either an underboss, or a "top capo" as his assistant over the remaining 8-9 members, THATS a "Formal" borgata. As "formal" as any other Family in the entire United States of America (or Sicily too for that matter).
It's not even debatable! Those ARE the rules of Cosa Nostra. History has taught us that they always were the rules.
I personally believe (as stated earlier), that however you prefer to refer to KC as, there is some sort of a "structure" there.
And Joey Dice sounds legit to me. (Thanks for the input JD)
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2108:15 AM
NYMAFIA e en to me Johnny Dice is right but again if there are a boss that rule on the borgata why were arent heard of making ceremonies or of a full hierarchy?
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2108:44 AM
The family has never been big on the making ceremony, they ran very similar to Chicago and went many years without making people. They also had non Italians working in very high positions of authority and of course they could not be made. I am referring to Snag Klein and Max Jaben. Both Jewish but both very powerful within the family. This will I am sure be questioned but I believe that the last ceremony was in 92 or 93 toward the end of Willie Cammisano's time in the seat. Sometime after the Belfonte Bombing I believe but I am not certain on this. Gerry Cammisano, Vincent Civella, Vince Pisciotta, PJ Ribasti and Jimmy Morttina.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2108:55 AM
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
NYMAFIA e en to me Johnny Dice is right but again if there are a boss that rule on the borgata why were arent heard of making ceremonies or of a full hierarchy?
Because #1 - They are a SECRET society. And they don't put such things in the newspapers for the public to read. And #2, as JD says, maybe they didn't have a ceremony in years (or maybe they have, or only 1,2, or 3 men, and keep it VERY secret - on a need to know basis). This IS Cosa Nostra after all is said and done. Period!
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2109:11 AM
Here is most of the current lineup for the "current" KC mob; -- John Sciortino - Boss Peter Simone - Underboss William Cammisano Jr. - Capo Peter Ribaste - Capo ? Vincent Civella - Capo ---------------------- - Soldiers & Associates (mixed) James Moretina Philip Simone Anthony Simone Joseph Barletta Dominick Scola Jerry Cammisano Samuel Scardino Michael Sansone Anthony Chiavola Louis Ribaste Vincent Pisciotta Marc Picone Eugene Picone Benjamin Palmentere Carlo Cavallaro John Mandacina James Di Capo John Cuezze John Calia -- And these are only the (24) names we know! I'm certain there's more we don't know about.
It's not even debatable in my opinion. Kansas City lives!
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2110:15 AM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
NYMAFIA e en to me Johnny Dice is right but again if there are a boss that rule on the borgata why were arent heard of making ceremonies or of a full hierarchy?
Because #1 - They are a SECRET society. And they don't put such things in the newspapers for the public to read. And #2, as JD says, maybe they didn't have a ceremony in years (or maybe they have, or only 1,2, or 3 men, and keep it VERY secret - on a need to know basis). This IS Cosa Nostra after all is said and done. Period!
Also the Chicago Outfit is a secret society but we know the hierarchy and the name of the made men and everyone say that the Outfit is still,same think for Detroit but nobody say that for KC of St Luois.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2101:28 PM
Who's saying it?? It means absolutely nothing in the scheme of our discussion. Even law enforcement doesn't "really" know, until they really know.
And that usually comes from arrests. Until they crack a network, LE is also often in the dark. Without a rat (who's inside such as a made guy, or top associates turning informant), who's gonna know this information??
Right or wrong?
I tell you this. Read the names I wrote, check the names out to see if they are still alive, which if they are in they're 60's and 70s they should be. They're documented involvement with the KC crew has been confirmed in the past.
So where's the problem here? Why are we still debating? If there is 20-30 known guys (made and close associates), young enough to still be bouncing around........(and its been shown to you). Thats it!!!
They're booking sports, gambling, some shylocking, and organized. They're a CREW! end of story
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2105:22 PM
Seems to me they exist like I've maintained all along. I think we tend to get caught up on what we know, and dismiss what we don't know. Just because we know this or that happened or happens in one city and we don't know that it happens somewhere else doesn't mean anything at all. Like NYMafia pointed out it's a secret society and the I'm sure the federal authorities spend more time on the larger families, therefore we hear more about them. Few people are enamored with the KC family outside of KC, but make a bust in Chicago, NYC Philly its national news. So resources are used more in those cities. That of course bodes well for the smaller families and not so well for us who want information on the smaller families. If my count is correct, now the so called experts on this site claimed previously Buffalo, dead, KC, dead, Detroit, dead! Those experts in my opinion are 0-3.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2105:32 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Here is most of the current lineup for the "current" KC mob; -- John Sciortino - Boss Peter Simone - Underboss William Cammisano Jr. - Capo Peter Ribaste - Capo ? Vincent Civella - Capo ---------------------- - Soldiers & Associates (mixed) James Moretina Philip Simone Anthony Simone Joseph Barletta Dominick Scola Jerry Cammisano Samuel Scardino Michael Sansone Anthony Chiavola Louis Ribaste Vincent Pisciotta Marc Picone Eugene Picone Benjamin Palmentere Carlo Cavallaro John Mandacina James Di Capo John Cuezze John Calia -- And these are only the (24) names we know! I'm certain there's more we don't know about.
It's not even debatable in my opinion. Kansas City lives!
KC traditionally doesn’t recognize the post of consigliere, but the FBI in Missouri believes Frank DeLuna, serves Sciortino as his No. 1 advisor. Frank is the younger brother of Carl (Tuffy) DeLuna.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2105:55 PM
Originally Posted by majicrat
Seems to me they exist like I've maintained all along. I think we tend to get caught up on what we know, and dismiss what we don't know. Just because we know this or that happened or happens in one city and we don't know that it happens somewhere else doesn't mean anything at all. Like NYMafia pointed out it's a secret society and the I'm sure the federal authorities spend more time on the larger families, therefore we hear more about them. Few people are enamored with the KC family outside of KC, but make a bust in Chicago, NYC Philly its national news. So resources are used more in those cities. That of course bodes well for the smaller families and not so well for us who want information on the smaller families. If my count is correct, now the so called experts on this site claimed previously Buffalo, dead, KC, dead, Detroit, dead! Those experts in my opinion are 0-3.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2105:56 PM
Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Here is most of the current lineup for the "current" KC mob; -- John Sciortino - Boss Peter Simone - Underboss William Cammisano Jr. - Capo Peter Ribaste - Capo ? Vincent Civella - Capo ---------------------- - Soldiers & Associates (mixed) James Moretina Philip Simone Anthony Simone Joseph Barletta Dominick Scola Jerry Cammisano Samuel Scardino Michael Sansone Anthony Chiavola Louis Ribaste Vincent Pisciotta Marc Picone Eugene Picone Benjamin Palmentere Carlo Cavallaro John Mandacina James Di Capo John Cuezze John Calia -- And these are only the (24) names we know! I'm certain there's more we don't know about.
It's not even debatable in my opinion. Kansas City lives!
KC traditionally doesn’t recognize the post of consigliere, but the FBI in Missouri believes Frank DeLuna, serves Sciortino as his No. 1 advisor. Frank is the younger brother of Carl (Tuffy) DeLuna.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2107:25 PM
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Any murders ties to KC mob?
Definitely. If you read through my expose on them at the top our this thread. I lay out a whole list of gangland-slayings. Mostly from the 1970s +/-, but some earlier ones as well through their history
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2111:12 PM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Any murders ties to KC mob?
Definitely. If you read through my expose on them at the top our this thread. I lay out a whole list of gangland-slayings. Mostly from the 1970s +/-, but some earlier ones as well through their history
I was wrong to write,there are murders tied to KC mafia after the 2000? I also made a KC mafia hitlist and the last murder that I found was Harold Ash in 1996,you have more infos than me,so I asked.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/24/2111:26 PM
Originally Posted by Hollander
@ NYMafia Frank DeLuna would be in his 80s. He was also one of the several mafiosi listed in the Missouri Gaming Commission's "Black Book."
I don't doubt it. He's one of the last holdovers from the originals. But just as in NYC, the Youngers guys 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, even 70s, are the active members. Fellas in their 80s (if they're even still active), lay back and earn. Maybe they have a few younger guys around them who do the legwork. A guy like this could be a senior advisor (if not "officially" designated as a consigliere), etc.
In NYC we've got plenty of fellas in their 80s who ares still active. The fella I posted up yesterday, Michael (Mike Rosie) Maione. He was active until the night he died, at 97 years old. Amazing!
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/25/2112:20 AM
Originally Posted by Ben54
Just to clear up a couple items - KC always associated with and answered to Chicago, not Detroit.
Also, Detroit is not closest in proximity to KC....Chicago is. You go through Chicago if you’re traveling from KC to Detroit.
--- You're absolutely correct Ben, on both points. The reason why I said Detroit and not Chicago, is because Detroit is very stable and solid, with a full hierarchy. Whereas Chicago is all messed up in recent years, and a shell of what they were. I doubt they can even handle their own problems, let alone "service" another borgata or regime nowadays.
I truly believed that Detroit is the more stable "power" among the midwest borgatas and CN affiliates today.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/25/2102:34 AM
When i have time i will correct your chart, you have dead people listed and at least one none associated person listed and your missing at least 20 known associates and there have been numerous deaths over the past two years.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/25/2102:41 AM
Frank Deluna is alive and kicking, he eats at Jasper's which is owned by the son and nephew of two old time made members, Lenard Mirabilie and Jasper Mirabilie Sr. Their first bar was on 12th street which at the time was the red light district with mob owned bars and eating joints, It was the closing of this street to build the convention center which started the River Quey mob war. Nick Labruzzo is still around but not active.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/25/2102:45 AM
Just some history, the scariest guy I ever met was Willie Cammisano, he had dead eyes, when he looked at you his eyes were just dead like he was looking right through you. Reminded me of a great white shark. Willie Jr. has the same dead eyes just not as dark. Carl Deluna who was every bit the killer as Willie had grandfather eyes, as a kid I really liked him, Willie scared the shit out of me as a kid.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 02/25/2110:22 AM
Originally Posted by joey_dice
When i have time i will correct your chart, you have dead people listed and at least one none associated person listed and your missing at least 20 known associates and there have been numerous deaths over the past two years.
I welcome the corrections. Give me a breakdown and I'll insert the changes ok
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/06/2102:24 AM
NYMafia, its my understanding that in your paper I am told you listed Carl Deluna as a rat. I would seriously like to know your source and evidence of this. Tuff was as gangster as they get, he servied more years than most in the Vegas skim. When he got out although old he was still gangster, I am gonna have to call bullshit on that unless you can come up with some solid evidence.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/06/2102:35 AM
Originally Posted by joey_dice
NYMafia, its my understanding that in your paper I am told you listed Carl Deluna as a rat. I would seriously like to know your source and evidence of this. Tuff was as gangster as they get, he servied more years than most in the Vegas skim. When he got out although old he was still gangster, I am gonna have to call bullshit on that unless you can come up with some solid evidence.
Tuffy was as real as they get...he was a fucking animal but 100% no rat...he did decades in prison. Never ratted. Murdered Gargotta and Binnagio among many many others....
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/06/2103:12 AM
I think you two are correct.
Because of the voluminous notes Tuffy DeLuna kept regarding all the monetary collections and payoffs from the LV casino skim, which led to the arrests, trials, convictions, and long jail terms the Chicago, Cleveland, KC, and Milwaukee crews received, it was said that his actions were rat moves that put everyone in the soup.
But in actuality, he hadn't done it on purpose to give anyone up. The meticulous records he kept was because he was afraid of fucking up other guys monies and getting in trouble for mismanagement of the casino skim.
So I gotta agree, I don't believe he turned "rat" per se. He only messed up badly which "led" to the extensive prosecution evidence that was used to convict them all. He also went to the can for a lengthy period. - Note: I also don't know where I had gotten the specific term that DeLuna had ratted. But for me to include it, It must have been clearly stated somewhere and obviously it's wrong. - What I do know is that after their convictions, Joey Aiuppa and the other Chicago bosses viewed all the Kansas City guys; Civella, DeLuna, etc., as "persona non-grata" because of the way they're stupidity brought everyone down.
In fact, it was documented by the feds and printed in the papers that Chicago broke off all ties and communication with the Civella Family afterwards. It created a lot of bad blood between them. So much so, that when Aiuppa and Carl Civella were in the federal prison hospital infirmary together, Aiuppa wouldn't even look at Civella, and Corky couldn't even get an "verbal audience" with Aiuppa anymore. -- But good catch men! .... (at least I know your reading my articles closely) Lol
Like the man said, "nobody's perfect".... but we try! Lol
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/06/2108:28 AM
Originally Posted by NYMafia
I think you two are correct.
Because of the voluminous notes Tuffy DeLuna kept regarding all the monetary collections and payoffs from the LV casino skim, which led to the arrests, trials, convictions, and long jail terms the Chicago, Cleveland, KC, and Milwaukee crews received, it was said that his actions were rat moves that put everyone in the soup.
But in actuality, he hadn't done it on purpose to give anyone up. The meticulous records he kept was because he was afraid of fucking up other guys monies and getting in trouble for mismanagement of the casino skim.
So I gotta agree, I don't believe he turned "rat" per se. He only messed up badly which "led" to the extensive prosecution evidence that was used to convict them all. He also went to the can for a lengthy period. - Note: I also don't know where I had gotten the specific term that DeLuna had ratted. But for me to include it, It must have been clearly stated somewhere and obviously it's wrong. - What I do know is that after their convictions, Joey Aiuppa and the other Chicago bosses viewed all the Kansas City guys; Civella, DeLuna, etc., as "persona non-grata" because of the way they're stupidity brought everyone down.
In fact, it was documented by the feds and printed in the papers that Chicago broke off all ties and communication with the Civella Family afterwards. It created a lot of bad blood between them. So much so, that when Aiuppa and Carl Civella were in the federal prison hospital infirmary together, Aiuppa wouldn't even look at Civella, and Corky couldn't even get an "verbal audience" with Aiuppa anymore. -- But good catch men! .... (at least I know your reading my articles closely) Lol
Like the man said, "nobody's perfect".... but we try! Lol
He kept records because he was taking out money for expenses from the skim and when your dealing w someone like Auppia who was completely ruthless ,if he even thinks your skimming your dead and Nick Civella to for that matter
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/07/2112:58 AM
Originally Posted by Hollander
Tuffy DeLuna was one of the biggest gangsters in US history.
100% they really don’t get the recognition they deserve atleast when it comes to the public..The outfit really owned the town and Tuffy Deluna and his crew we’re really the enforcement arm of the Outfit from the 50s into the 1980s along with Willie but really Tuffy and Charlie,Ragoose and Vince Abbott mowed people down and cleared the way for the Outfit to own the City not to mention witnesses who attempted to testify like former Teamsters and the guy against the Omaha Wiseguys...
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/07/2102:17 AM
agreed. I think I'm pretty knowledgeable on OC, although admittedly I was never really up on KC. But I was very surprised at the level of corruption and racketeering in KC.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/10/2105:22 AM
Tuff kept those records because he was using his own money to transport the skim, he was constantly getting screwed out of traveling expense money. He kept the records to show who got what and then he claimed what he felt covered his expenses. The records, the cash in uncle nicks attic and many other things are the result of a group who did not realize their iron grip on the city, the courts and the police were fading, due mostly to technology. As for Tuffy, he was like a grandfather to me, treated me like I was his own, he and Rags (Ragusa) while dangerous and killers, they did not live that role 24 hours a day.. Franky is a lot like his brother, without the flash temper, he is a lot like Uncle Nick, he is a thinker and well read.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/10/2105:26 AM
Vince Abbot and Vinnie Picone were the up and comming members of the Cammisano crew. A name that many dont speak about was Phil Balano, he was a dangerous guy, a lot of them seem to be drawn to Willie's crew which while a part of the family Nick allowed them to function almost as their own family. But it was Willie crew or Tuffys Clique that would be called if heavy work needed to be put in.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/10/2106:21 AM
Originally Posted by joey_dice
Tuff kept those records because he was using his own money to transport the skim, he was constantly getting screwed out of traveling expense money. He kept the records to show who got what and then he claimed what he felt covered his expenses. The records, the cash in uncle nicks attic and many other things are the result of a group who did not realize their iron grip on the city, the courts and the police were fading, due mostly to technology. As for Tuffy, he was like a grandfather to me, treated me like I was his own, he and Rags (Ragusa) while dangerous and killers, they did not live that role 24 hours a day.. Franky is a lot like his brother, without the flash temper, he is a lot like Uncle Nick, he is a thinker and well read.
Thanks for sharing Joey. I think a lot of people want to know more about Tuffy. He's the minor character who accidentally plays a critical role in a three hour epic film. If you don't mind me asking, what was the Don to UB relationship like with him and Civella? Sometimes the UB can be an errand boy like Tommy Bilotti, sometimes he has the complete trust to run the family if the boss gets sick or takes the day off.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/11/2109:37 AM
Originally Posted by BarrettM
Originally Posted by joey_dice
Tuff kept those records because he was using his own money to transport the skim, he was constantly getting screwed out of traveling expense money. He kept the records to show who got what and then he claimed what he felt covered his expenses. The records, the cash in uncle nicks attic and many other things are the result of a group who did not realize their iron grip on the city, the courts and the police were fading, due mostly to technology. As for Tuffy, he was like a grandfather to me, treated me like I was his own, he and Rags (Ragusa) while dangerous and killers, they did not live that role 24 hours a day.. Franky is a lot like his brother, without the flash temper, he is a lot like Uncle Nick, he is a thinker and well read.
Thanks for sharing Joey. I think a lot of people want to know more about Tuffy. He's the minor character who accidentally plays a critical role in a three hour epic film. If you don't mind me asking, what was the Don to UB relationship like with him and Civella? Sometimes the UB can be an errand boy like Tommy Bilotti, sometimes he has the complete trust to run the family if the boss gets sick or takes the day off.
Tuff was very close to Nick and Cork, Nick trusted him to do the heavy lifting and to run the family if need be. The Deluna's and Civella's are related by marriage Tuff's sister was married to Anthony Civella. He was a tough guy, very smart. What hurt the family the most was the new technology used by law enforcement and their inability to change with the times.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/14/2107:23 PM
Yes Kansas City was trying hard to open up in Omaha, they put Diabasi (dont remember the spelling) in up there and had Castanso and Buster Balestere up there to be his heavy lifters and they reported back to Nick. As for Colorado they were not over them, but worked close with the Smaldones into the 80's, In fact when the mob wanted to open Bazookas, the first juice bar in KC, they knew they could not get a license so they had the guys in colorado open up a business called I believe Scope pictures of Denver, they installed a clean face, Dick Snow to head it, he then opened up Bazookas in KC and bought out a porno theatere called The Strand. Allowing them to open up in an old Mob owned theater known as the Dove. Kansas City also tried to open up prostitution and Gambling in Grove OK, which is on the Grand Lakes of the Cherokees. They sent Nate Brancato and Jimmy Duardi down there. they almost got it done but they ran into trouble with the mayor or Prosecutor who wanted more money. Jimmy D and Nate hired a guy named King who got caught with some explosives which were meant as a cooperation aid, this traced baclk to Jimmy and Nate who ended up doing time. I know the feds tagged someone in the leadership as an unindicted coconspirator. Every time the family farmed out work like this to peckerwoods, it always ended up bad, when they kept the work in house they eliminated a lot of issues.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 03/14/2107:27 PM
Furio read up about Phil Corbin who was murdered sometime around 2004.Phil was the Grandson of Joe Cammiosano, Willie's brother. Long story short he was not indicted when a long list of people were in a dope conspiracy involving members of the Mexican gangs and Members of associates of the family, Chuck Mortina, Cusimano and others.
Re: Joe Civella and the Kansas City Outfit - 05/23/2110:06 PM
You are in the thick of it. You are a wealth of knowledge, friend. I know the young guys you’re speaking of, running a little coke and weed. Few of them like to hole up at the cigar box playing godfather. Not going to complain though, drinks are always on the house.