John Gotti was going to take out Angelo Ruggerio?

According to Sammy's new vid, that's what he wanted to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly111FI3me8&list=WL&index=1

If ever there was a guy who deserved it, it was him !!

Don't want to stir the pot here....but I'll try.
Can we stop talking about John Gotti and his circle of buffoons.
Horrible boss who's whose ego decimated a once strong crime family that took years
to get back on its feet.
And I could care less what king rat Sammy has to say about anything.

. Well I do agree that it gets tiring talking about Gotti and how inept he was but I don’t get upset with anyone who asks for information. Not everyone has firsthand knowledge of everything mob related. As for Sammy I don’t like the guy but he is full of information given his position he had so it’s interesting hearing stories even though I’ve heard many before

I feel like John Gotti is a "gateway drug" guy whose profile fascinates people into LCN at first who might not have otherwise cared about the subject - but the deeper you get into it and the more you learn, the more you realize what a terrible boss he was. Guys like Ducks Corallo or Chin Gigante don't appear on the surface to be fascinating to anybody but when you really learn about these enormous enterprises they ran as if they were Fortune 500 businesses it is far more interesting than watching old clips of Gotti parading his latest Brioni suit down the 200 block of Mulberry street.

As someone who has read about all of this for far too many years I too am sick of the oversaturation of all things Gotti on the topic. Worse still are the Gravanos and Alites* of the world who try to piggyback on the Gotti coattails and make a living off it. Just a couple more of the gifts the Gotti family gave to LCN watchers.

*Forgot to add Kuklinski to this list. Second biggest LCN bullshitter after all-time champion fantasist Tom Papania

I agree. Kuklinski was a fucking nut case, his only mob connection was buying a gun or something from the DeMeo crew. He wasn't one of them, at least no evidence to show.

No problem with people asking for intell but there r many other OC far more interesting and succesful to talk about than Gotti who has been dead for close to 20 yrs.
I also realize it's easier to talk about past criminals as there is now a greater historical perspective.
Personally trying to figure out who holds power and the true numbers of families currently in operation is a more difficult task.

From another thread on this forum there is an argument about the true size of the patriarca family.
All good info but as other posters note alot of the guys on the charts r dead retired or on some cases not even Italian.
Just putting up names from some other site doesn't make it a chart.
I'm probably rambling on something for another thread.

I just thought it was an interesting nugget that he wanted to kill his childhood friend who was already dying of cancer. I’ve been around a long time and have a pretty good base of knowledge and I never heard that story.

Show me some love, for f***s sake. I’m the one who originally put up the Sammy interview with Diane Sawyer. 🤣
I found it on VHS in my attic and posted it in 10 parts on my YouTube channel. You guys were looking for that interview for years.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...;Main=22960&Number=623455#Post623455

It’s perfectly fine with me. Like I said posters have the right ask any question. Sammy has always maintained that Gotti wanted to kill Angelo after getting caught on tape as well and the whole Casso debacle. Sammy said he talked him out of it because Angelo was dying of cancer anyway. The Gottis Have tried to debunk this but their word means nothing lol. I’m more inclined to believe Samny because that sounds like something Gotti would say or do

I can see Gotti being pissed for Angelo getting caught talking on a house phone..thats just stupid.
Then blowing the Cassi hit. Im surprised Gotti never knew about that? I would think Gotti did.

Gotti has no right to be mad at anyone getting caught on wiretap.....he was the king of fucking up and getting caught in tape 😂 . I honestly don’t know if he knew about the Casso. Im pretty positive he was scared shitless of Casso and made peace with the Lucchese family soon after. Yet they still murdered Ed Lino and Bobby Boriello without any retaliation . Honestly the whole Gotti crew were a bunch of fuckups who were lucky to have to Neil protecting them

Gotti was caught talking in an old lady’s apartment whereas ruggiero was caught talking on his home phone. Thats a big difference.
Tony ducks was caught talking in his own car yet no one talks about that. If Gotti wasnt caught talking in an old lady’s apartment, they would of eventually got him talking next to a lamp post. The feds bugged everything gotti went near.
Keep in mind, Gotti was close to vic amuso.

Not really. I’m not defending Angelo because he was an idiot but so was Gotti. If you look at his mob career as a whole yes he became boss which is a big accomplishment but it’s full of fuck ups.

What was the timeline with Casso? Did Angelo seriously put a hit out on him for talking badly about him? That's like day one mafia code, you can't do that.
Did Gotti back it and cover his ass?
I guess my question is, did Angelo just turn off his brain and do something stupid, or was it planned?

Casso was shot in September 1986. Gotti was in prison at the time so I think Angelo did it On his own. Gotti May have known about it I’m not sure. But Angelo was very impulsive and when Casso insulted him He wanted to put a hit on him. In October 86 Casso used his Mafia Cops to Abduct and torture Jimmy Hydell who gave up the names. Gotti got out of jail in March 1987 and desperately made peace with Casso. I guess Casso decided to wait a few year but in 1990 he continued his revenge by killing Gotti loyalist Ed Lino without any retaliation

From what I read amuso casso had good relations with the Gambino even after they kill big paul do you think amuso and casso would have went after all Gottis guys if there wasn't that attempt on casso life? That was Gottis right hand man. Sneak killing a guy in another family. I wonder what amuso had to say to Gotti when they both were bosses. About angelo trying to kill casso.

Al D’arco said they were going to kill all the guys around Gotti then him., but gottis high profile turned out to be his lucky break. Gotti did everything he could to remain peaceful with Casso because he didn’t want to to mess with him obviously

I heard, Alite was going to get the Ruggerio contract

Lol

I heard Gianni Russo was gonna be the wheel man but they wanted to keep him behind the scenes !!

Lmfao!!!!!!!