Cocaine drug game vs Heroin drug game

Cocaine and heroin are probably two of the most well known drugs in the world. Many organized crime groups sells those drugs in many part of the world. Some organization sell the two drugs, but some are more well known then others.
In America (East Coast, Westcoast) who the top dogs in the cocaine buisness? And who are the top dogs in the heroin buisness?

How the two games (cocaine et heroin) are different?
Will an organization make more money with cocaine or heroin? Wich one is more difficult to smuggle?
With cocaine, street gangs could make crack and make profit with it. But what about heroin?

The cocaine is considerated a drug party that make you happy and is seen as a sign of richness,the crack was created for sell 50k of coke a 1 dollar a dose to hundred of thousand junkies.
In italy we have the kobrett that is made with the wastes of the process to make heroin from opium.

The coke ring made more money and the heroin is seen as "bad" drug because the junkies are seen as zombies that risk everyday to getcthe AIDS from dirty needles.

Heroin is the worst of the worst. If you've ever known anyone who succumbed to heroin, then you know. It literally makes zombies out of people. It's nearly impossible to rid yourself of, and they become shells of their former selves. Horrible shit. Anybody who sells that shit to people should be hung by their balls. There is NO excuse for it.

Sure heroin is looking more badly than cocaine, and so does Meth.
But pound for pound, I think a dealer of heroin with make more money than a cocaine dealer, pound for pound.

Junk is MUCH more profitable than Coke. But the toll on mankind is much more devastating as well. Horrible business

Pound for Pound,the meth could be more profitable because can produced in the same territory where will be sell while the coke or H must be imported or buied by a middleman.
Or the pills which can be prescribed through false medical prescriptions.

In America, it will be Mexican Transnational DTOs as the primary wholesale distribution. Next will be major American DTOs .

They differ on market principle & timeframe. Specificcities have a consumer base around heroin ( ex; Chicago/ St Louis / New Orleans) & others cocaine (ex; Los Angeles/ Memphis/ Jackson).
I think both are equally difficult to smuggle. Street gangs are poly drugtrafficking groups so coke , crack, heroin, mdma , etc will all be distributed.

Cocaine Floods Europa
https://www.gangsterismout.com/2021/08/cocaine-floods-europe.html

“ Europe is a far more attractive prospect than the US. Prices are significantly higher, and the risks are much lower. A kilo of cocaine in the US is worth up to $28k wholesale. That same kilo is worth around $40k and might be as much as nearly $80k in different parts of Europe”

The price increases even more in Australia.

How does the modern mob fit into this picture? On what scale are they involved with dealing cocaine and heroin? are they wholesalers or distributors?

Cocaine is an amazing drug if you can handle it, they should legalize it! It is originally a medicine that helped a lot of people heroin as well morphine still helps a lot of people.

Believe it or not, I even think that there was cocaine in Coke Coca Cola at one point.

https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/coca-colas-scandalous-past

Hung by their balls? A lot of good men have sold heroin. Matty Madonna and Vinny Basciano do not deserve anything bad to happen to them. You can't blame the dealer. The people who take heroin choose to do so by their own free will. No?

. How in the world are Matt Madonna and Vincent Basciano good men?

I want to laugh so hard when someone claims that certain mobsters are "good men". Heroine dealers are disgusting beings.

. Exactly. Look we are all on here because we find mob history interesting but calling a drug dealer/murderer a “good man” is pretty silly

I disagree with you and Blackmobs, I think cocaine is the more profitable, especially per user. Now if there are a hundred heroin users for every cocaine user that changes things. Cocaine users use it over and over in a session, and can go for 2 days straight snorting it. Then there is the crack form. Although it is associated with poorer users, they binge on it worse and longer, often for days. I think the question is which is consumed by more people, heroin or cocaine. There were a few famous user who are credited with saying "Cocaine is God's way of telling you that you have too much money." It may have been Richard Pryor or another comic.

Here is that quote I mention above, it was Robin Williams.

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/474498

Jace
I was more talking about the same quantity of one product will have a higher value in the street.

a kilo of heroin, will make more money than a kilo of cocaine…. I think so, maybe I’m wrong.

Sure, there is more people that will buy cocaine, than people who will buy heroine.

But one gram of heroine as a higher value in the street than one gram of cocaine

The profit structure of heroin to cocaine is completely different. With heroin you can literally 'step' on it and create 15 kilos or more from 1 kilo. And the profit on the retail level 100 times more. to receive 5% pure heroin and 95% cut in a $25 bag of junk is enough to OD a junkie.

The profit on cocaine is no where near that. You cannot even cut cocaine 1 full time, to make 2 kilos from 1. The product would be destroyed.

5 kilos of junk sold properly could turn a guy into an instant millionaire and more. 5 kilos of cocaine could earn a guy a net profit of a few hundred thousand. "maybe"

Damnnnn I knew there was a big difference. But that much… yo thats crazy.

So do you think of someone got the connection to have a pipeline in the heroine or cocaine game.
Heroine will be the one to choose?

But I guess, many people will come for youre head

Any player will tell you that the money is in serving both, that's why they call them Boy(smack) and Girl(coke) because they go together. Speedballs are the preferred cocktails of the cultural elites with a high body count to show for it including John Belushi, Chris Farley, River Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman and a laundry list of others. Nowadays they're serving up Meth and Boy Speedballs which has to be lethal recipe for sure.

Agreed, 100%.

1964 CBS Special Report on Heroin.

Yes, this is why its necessary to have contacts in the source countries. THATS really how you make the big money in coke.... by sourcing it for 5-7 bucks a gram, and selli.g for 30- 50 a gram wholesale....

I saw a documentary on opiod pills epidemy in Pennsylvania. I think that the Heroin is the best drug ring because the doctors are paid by big pharma to prescrive more pills so the people that would touch a syringe become junkies and pass to heroin when they can't pay the pills. For sure bikers or other gangs are involved in both pills and H.
I dont know if the mob is involved.

You have opened the cam of worms that no one wanted to touch. The sickening truth is that corporate America is and has been for almost a century, the largest purveyors of narcotics in the United States.
Conglomerates of multinational corporations from Big Sugar and produce corporations like Chiquita, Dole and corporations that supply fertilizer and pesticides promote and develop drug cartels to supply the pipeline of narcotics to the masses in the US. The same way JR Reynolds addicted millions to nicotine and profited and the expense of their health. Board members from these corporations are ingrained in our society and permeate our government and other institutions facilitating the further escalation of the conduit of drugs into country reaping profits beyond the dreams of avarice.
Organized crime syndicates and foreign drug cartels are fronts doing the dirty work for these corporations insulating them from investigation while they reap in profits that no individual like Pablo Escobar or Carlos Lehder could ever aspire to.

Yeah that`s why Ndrangheta has their representatives in Colombia, this way they can cut off the Mexican middle men and have a much greater profit by buying from the producers directly. Coke is cheap in Chile and Colombia but once it enters America or Europe its gold.

A kilo of cocaine, which is 2.2 pounds. Or approximately 34 ounces equates to 952 'grams'

From the source in Colombia, Costa Rica, and other source nations the cost of a kilo of coke is possibly produced for hundreds of dollars per kilo, and sold for possibly $1200. to $1500 a kilo (give or take). The Cartels sell it to major dealers (the mafia, N'drangheta, independents) for $2500-$4000 per key.

They in turn "wholesale" it to individual traffickers for $15,000-20,000 per key. And from there forward, every person who 'touches' the package adds $1000 to $2000 per step of the way.

The fellows on the 'semi-wholesale-retail' level, who actually break it down, add some Inositol to stretch it, and then parley out on the street by the 'ounce' sell ounces anywhere from $1200 to $2800 on the streets of America. (depending upon the era, availability of product, market rates, etc).

And then the 'street' dealers sell little 'gram' bags for whatever the going rate is on the street at the time.
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Its the same way with junk, except that with heroin the numbers at each level are skyrocketed proportionately. In the 1950s, a kilo wholesaled for $50-100,000 (maybe). In the 1970s, a kilo of junk went for $200-250,000. And on down the line!

The major jump in price is NOT buying it in Colombia. There you can get it cheap. The MAJOR jump in price is when it hits americas shoreline. Or other nations. Because the process of smuggling is so precarious that many loads at 'lost' to confiscation. When it hits America the prices jump accordingly.

That is why so many guys are tempted to go into the business. And that is why so many guys are serving life in prison! Bad shit

What do you guys think about Pablo Escobar`s net worth? There are a lot of articles online claiming that he had tens of billions of dollar at the height of his career but it seems to be very far off. I know that in the 80s the Colombian cartels almost had a monopoly in trafficking cocaine into the United States but some numbers I see are just outrageously ridiculous.
Forbes claimed in 1987 that his personal net worth was around 2 billion USD and in the last few years of his reign it shrunk to around 1 billion. This number is possible but personally I still think it`s an overestimation because they simply assumed he personally gained 40% of the profit made by the entire cartel. https://www.forbes.com/sites/halaht...llionaire-issue-in-1987/?sh=70bc63914369

Also there are stories about him offering to pay for the Colombia national debt if the president grant him pardon, which is really ridiculous. He was filthy rich being the most powerful crime lord in Latin America but his entire worth wouldn`t make much of a difference to the country`s national debt.

100% right. The so-called war on drugs is highly profitable.

Our opinions may not be popular but I will say that cocaine got me through some really tough times in my life. I absolutely love cocaine. I still use it when I go out. Now heroin is a little more dangerous, but I would definitely recommend it for people who are in a lot of pain and may be a little tired of life. If you manage it correctly, you can live a long and fulfilling life until you're an old man. Drugs get such a bad rap. The truth is that drugs have brought way more joy to people than misery.

How long have you been using Hollander?

In my late teens to mid twenties, but only when I would go out ecstasy also. Another drug which today is used in some therapies.

I’ve also heard that LSD, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms are used in research regarding sensory deprivation tanks. It seems to enhance the ability of the subject when under controlled circumstances.

https://psychedelicspotlight.com/john-c-lilly-lsd-sensory-deprivation-tank/

I'm pretty sure a Kilo is a thousand grams, like a kilometer is a thousand meters. Its 36 Ounces in a ki.

36 onces are 1,020 kg.

Kilo- 1000, is the frikkin metric system. You're always changing the tens place.

yes. lol. I just looked it up. One website said a kilo is exactly 35.274 ounces

I was roughing it when I said that number. But its generally considered to be 2.2 pounds

That was the conversion I was always taught and one inch is 2.54 cm and blah blah blah. Useless information that has forever been ingrained in my head.

The first few times I did the yayo it was fun. Then every weekend for a year I'd pick up an ounce and keep a quarter for myself and stay locked in my house going nuts. I'd have all of these great ideas and get nothing accomplished. One day my guy got out of the business and I stopped. I never did it when I had to work. Then one day I was working with this younger Mexican kid and I asked if he could get heroin. I only wanted to do it once to see what the hype was about but not go chasing dragons. I snorted two little lines and smoked a little. Whoa! When I finally got up from my chair to do the last of it, there was enough to put on my tongue. But I had no urge to get anymore of it because I was afraid of addiction and dependency. With having a family and the risk of losing my career because of being arrested for possession or a dirty piss test, I would never do that shit again. However, the day I retire, I'll try some blow depending if I have any cardiac issues.