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Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli

Posted By: Zavattoni

Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/20/20 06:08 PM

While Joe Massino was cooperating with the government; He stated that Cesare Bonventre was killed because he walked out on a meeting/sit-down with Phil Rastelli over some “Shake-down”

What was Cesare Bonventre thinking?? Was he that arrogant to basically “spit in the face” Of the boss of the Bonanno Crime Family??

Also how big was Cesare Bonventre’s crew and what was the issue that caused Bonventre to have to meet with Rastelli??

Would love some responses!
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/20/20 07:27 PM

Bonventre became a captain in the Bonannos at age 28. He was indicted, along with the Zips Baldo Amato and Sal Catalano, in the famous "Pizza Connection" case. Anthony M. Destefano, in his outstanding bio of Joe Massino, says Massino ordered Bonventre's murder and had Sal Vitale organize it. Here is the relevant passage from Destsefano's book:

"Why did Bonventre have to die? The FBI speculated that he had offended someone, possibly in another crime family, with poor quality heroin. Another assumed that he had gathered too much power too quickly and because he was so ruthless that he was viewed a threat to boss Philip Rastelli and his supporters such as Massino."

Hope this helps.
Posted By: MightyDR

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/20/20 08:36 PM

Joey Massino's testimony is on the Black Hand forum. Massino said Bonventre was shaking down drug dealers. He beat one dealer, Anthony Aiello, out of 5 or $600,000. Bonventre took 10 or 15 kilos off him and never paid him. But Aiello was around Phil Rastelli. So Rastelli called Bonventre in and questions him about it. Bonventre denied everything, got insulted and walked out of the meeting. Because of this disrespect, Rastelli ordered him killed.

My guess is Bonventre had just become so full of himself and didn't respect Rastelli's authority given the tumultuous past few years.
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/20/20 08:37 PM

The beef that got taken up to Rastelli was that Bonventre was shaking down drug dealers, including someone who was on record with Rastelli. Rastelli calls him in, Bonventre denies it and storms out.
Posted By: DiLorenzo

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/20/20 09:52 PM

Anything an informant says on the stand I take with a grain of salt, Like Gravano's tale about going after the chin...Why didn't they try after their trial was over ?? They still had hundreds of made guys on the street ??

There was no way that Massino was gonna say that Bonenentre was getting too powerful and dangerous so we had to kill him before he killed us...
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/21/20 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Anything an informant says on the stand I take with a grain of salt, Like Gravano's tale about going after the chin...Why didn't they try after their trial was over ?? They still had hundreds of made guys on the street ??

There was no way that Massino was gonna say that Bonenentre was getting too powerful and dangerous so we had to kill him before he killed us...



What you stated does make logical sense...

Massino had boss aspirations at that same time, we know that.....Everyone who wants the top spot is WELL aware of who his closest competitor is.

What also makes the story a little unbelievable is, Baldo and him did everything together and nothing happens to Baldo if they were operating in such a manner?
Posted By: MightyDR

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/21/20 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by ItalianIrishMix
Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Anything an informant says on the stand I take with a grain of salt, Like Gravano's tale about going after the chin...Why didn't they try after their trial was over ?? They still had hundreds of made guys on the street ??

There was no way that Massino was gonna say that Bonenentre was getting too powerful and dangerous so we had to kill him before he killed us...



What you stated does make logical sense...

Massino had boss aspirations at that same time, we know that.....Everyone who wants the top spot is WELL aware of who his closest competitor is.

What also makes the story a little unbelievable is, Baldo and him did everything together and nothing happens to Baldo if they were operating in such a manner?


Massino mentions later on in his testimony that Rastelli wanted Baldo killed too, but Massino convinced him not to because Baldo was just following orders from his captain (Bonventre).
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/21/20 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by ItalianIrishMix
Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Anything an informant says on the stand I take with a grain of salt, Like Gravano's tale about going after the chin...Why didn't they try after their trial was over ?? They still had hundreds of made guys on the street ??

There was no way that Massino was gonna say that Bonenentre was getting too powerful and dangerous so we had to kill him before he killed us...



What you stated does make logical sense...

Massino had boss aspirations at that same time, we know that.....Everyone who wants the top spot is WELL aware of who his closest competitor is.

What also makes the story a little unbelievable is, Baldo and him did everything together and nothing happens to Baldo if they were operating in such a manner?



Not only that, many mobsters say you cant even bring up drugs at a sitdown. But I guess this was the Bonnanos
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/22/20 01:33 AM

Anyone ponder what would have happened if Cesare and Baldo alerted Galante?
Posted By: WhackWhack

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/22/20 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by CabriniGreen
Originally Posted by ItalianIrishMix
Originally Posted by DiLorenzo
Anything an informant says on the stand I take with a grain of salt, Like Gravano's tale about going after the chin...Why didn't they try after their trial was over ?? They still had hundreds of made guys on the street ??

There was no way that Massino was gonna say that Bonenentre was getting too powerful and dangerous so we had to kill him before he killed us...



What you stated does make logical sense...

Massino had boss aspirations at that same time, we know that.....Everyone who wants the top spot is WELL aware of who his closest competitor is.

What also makes the story a little unbelievable is, Baldo and him did everything together and nothing happens to Baldo if they were operating in such a manner?



Not only that, many mobsters say you cant even bring up drugs at a sitdown. But I guess this was the Bonnanos



Drugs were brought up at the sitdown between the Genovese and Gambinos over Matty Rega and Dominick Montiglio. They accused Montiglio of dealing junk. And these are supposedly the 2 most anti drug families at the time (though many Gambinos and even some Genovese dealt junk)
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/26/20 07:08 PM

The was more so " DONT GET CAUGHT" dealing.

Many did it however, the ones that got whacked were the ones that got caught.
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/26/20 07:10 PM

Or to easily get around it they had non made associates actually doing the lifting to whereas the made guys stayed in the back and financed the operation.
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/26/20 07:10 PM

Or to easily get around it they had non made associates actually doing the lifting to whereas the made guys stayed in the back and financed the operation.
Posted By: NYMafia

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/26/20 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Or to easily get around it they had non made associates actually doing the lifting to whereas the made guys stayed in the back and financed the operation.



Hypocrisy at its finest.
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Cesare Bonventre walking out on Rastelli - 12/26/20 09:13 PM

What were the made guys going to do if they knew their associates on the street were raking in BIG MONEY???
Say DON'T KICK any of that money upstairs to me
I dont want it??

Doubtful
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