Which family is stronger these days?

Which family is stronger these days?

I think Mancuso is alot more tougher and ruthless than Desantis, who seems to be Vic's lapdog anyway. Lucchese lost alot of power with Madonna and Crea being incarcerated.
Also, didn't the recent rat the lukes had testify that they only had like 70 active members? The bananas probably still hold a solid 100 or so

On the other side, i feel the bonnanos are more into blue collar crimes while the lukes are more white collar and could make more riskless money, i might be way off here though

It all comes down to good leaders. Mancuso has simply proven to be an effective leader who knows how to play the game.

Honestly even though the lukes got hit with trials and sentences i still cant bet against them and say they are weaker.

They are an utter fucking joke. They have 7 crews and only 70 active members. The Bonannos have 100-115 guys and as many as 12 crews.

The Luccheses and the Colombos are much closer in size and strength than the Lukes and the Bonannos. The Bonannos are a solid number 3

The number of made guys they have doesn't always indicate how much power they have. The Lucheses have always had less members than the Bonannos. That doesn't mean they were less powerful than them in, for example, the 70s and 80s.

In the 70s and 80s the bonannos were hit with alot of indictments and the Brasco Fiasco which led to them losing power among the comission, plus they lost Joey Bo which led to the internal wars they had, so yeah the lukes had more power in that era, but before that i have no doubt Joe Bo's family was stronger, he took over the Maranzano Family and planted his flag in canada and had the biggest dope pipeline. More money and influense i believe the bonannos were probably more powerful than the Anastasia family before Carlo Gambino took over.

Thoughts??? 🤔

It's a question that is simple only in apparence,if you are a blu collar criminal is better to you to stay with a family with more men on the streets while if you're a white collar criminal its better to stay with a family with strong bussiness ties.For me,will choose the Luccheses.

Seems unlikely considering the consensus has been the Genoveses and Gambinos have always been the most powerful of the New York families and definitely the largest.

Another thing to consider about the state of the Bonanno family in the 2010s is the factionalism was far worse than any tensions in the Luchese family when leadership on the street passed from the Bronx to Brooklyn. You had Joseph Cammarano Jr getting caught on tape talking about how the family had been in the gutter for the past 12-16 years, how he was trying to fix it and how John Palazzolo would have run things into the ground had he continued as acting boss. One faction of the family fears and respects Mancuso while another votes for Cammarano to be their boss. Then Mancuso gets out and puts Cammarano, Zancocchio and the Grimaldis on the shelf. So there's much more disarray within the Bonannos whereas the transition in power within the Lucheses was much smoother. John Pennisi has also said that in terms of strength the top three families are the Lucheses third, then the Gambinos in second due to their zip faction, then the Genoveses in first.

Sidenote: Its funny how much knowledge I've acquired on the Original Bonannos, I am totally in the dark about the players in the Family for the past 20yrs.... I believe that unlike the "Gold standard" Genovese's, there is broken lineage to its founder. For example, if you trace all the Bosses and Capos, there is no separation from Lucky Luciano but more specifically Vito Genovese. The philosophies and connections to its origins is still there. The Bonannos don't have a trace to Mr. B, the Bonventres etc. Of course you have bloodlines from soldiers that are still prevelent (Asaros, Grimaldis etc) but not the founder. Can it even be said that there is a large base of Castellamarese?