Philly Mob induction taped

Per Dave S. at Fox 29. Dom introduced as capo and the entire induction ceremony is caught on tape.

Who were the guys being made ?

Not sure, but the tapes have pretty much the entire organization mapped out with boss, underboss and all the capos.

ravens, does it say whether ap wore a wire to it? or did they bug the house? in the past these sites have said there were 5 new..my guesses..sm, ab, ds, ta, jb....

It says FBI informant was wired up so probably assume it’s AP. I’m not going to speculate on who was being made but your first three guesses are very likely.

ravens , you got a copy of the memo? or when u say it, dod u mean shratt report? of the 5 last when is a shot in the dark on my part..

Can you imagine what Carlo would say if he were alive and one of his capos said, Hold on C, just have to hit record or, just have to submit this instagram post?

Second time this happened in Philly. In also happened in 1990 when George Freselone taped his own induction ceremony that took place in the bronx believe it or not.

Woah, that's big news. Thanks Ravens. Can't wait to hear it.

Entire ceremony caught on tape and some people will probably still say the case is weak sauce.

What does that prove? Just a few guys preparing for a role in a movie. So easy to defend. I'm not worried

#FreeStevie
#FreeDom

Schratweiser said it’s 4-5 guys getting made. Also, surprisingly said the charges seem weak as the indictment reads. Went on to say that he expects more charges in the coming weeks. Tough to call at this point, but if there’s that much tape, plea bargains are coming. Unless they flip one of these guys. At this point, they have no witness to take the stand against these guys

Why would you be worried? You’re not the one that’s gotta do a few years.

A taped ceremony with the guys being charged equals racketeering. That’s where the longer sentences are born.

RiCO was designed for cases like this. Without RICO it’s a dud. With it, it’s check and mate. Hate to say it but they are fucked.

yup..rico conspiracy with both leadership and managerial sentence enhancers, with many defendents having priors...not a walk in the park

Feds aren’t happy about East Coast indictment and Narducci case being complete busts(no pun intended) they are gonna come hard for the top and we all know Merlino is their PE#1!

This RICO doesn't even include any murders. The one 20 years ago did and the worst they got was 10 years.(even though murder counts not proven) their will be plea bargain a. Mazzone and Grande won't do over 5 years.

colonel..you want to bet on it? they beat the murders as you said, joey beat the dope in that case also, so no drugs, joey got FOURTEEN as well as george got 14, joey had fed priors, george didnt...stevie has a fed prior...dom has the dope, there is no way the feds are allowing dom to plead without the dope being included, no fuckin way, dope and leadership role in it,, first glance i thought dom was 8 to 10..im thinking low teens now in a plea, stevie 8 to 10..

It's a different world than 20 years ago. You can have these guys dead to rights, that's fine. These juries today are very unpredictable. Out of 12 ppl at least 1 or 2 will vote not guilty just because they hate the police. Just look at the cases in the last 10 years. Grande won't do 10. They can't put Persiano on the stand.

Getting the feeling this doesn’t make it to trial. Feds will lean on some of these guys for a few months to see if they can flip one or two of them. Heard some of the bigger name attorneys are in on this one. Mazzone/McMonagle, someone hired greg Pagano. Always interesting to see some of these made guys that can’t even afford a lawyer. I remember Frank Gambino going to trial with a public defender years ago.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1339101/download

The indictment. Doesn’t look good at all for Grande.

I'm surprised at how little money these guys are bringing in. This is embarrassing. Phil Narducci is a millionaire and these guys can barely generate five figures.

ralph, phil is a horrible example, born on 3rd base, doesnt mean he hit a triple..like sayin your an embarrassmen compared to conrad h. hilton...

Not really. Yeah his dad had money, but Phil is a good businessman still. Stevie Mazzone probably made a lot of money in the '90s, but he blew every cent. Joe Pung is another good example. He's loaded too

Risking jail time for chump change too, why would a made guy be selling 87 pills hand to hand? These idiots are no better than the gangbangers standing on the corner in North Philly selling dime bags of rock.

Narducci’s father and other family also put money in the right places. His dad had big money on the street when he passed from what I’ve heard and I am sure Phil and Frank collected %100 percent of it. Also has two great restaurants in Phillips Steak(best cheesesteak in city IMO and then Chickies has made a killing since opening from everything I have heard. His brother and sis passed away so he is probably main benefactor of both places.

When they use "Person #", does it mean it is an informant ?

Do we know who were the people inducted in that 2015 ceremony ? Reading the indiectment, it seems that Daniel Castelli and Kenneth Arabia were made but i am not sure.

good businessman? cuz he has a restaurant? maybe he is maybe he isnt..his father was STUFFED and left them all real real good, lot easier to take legit risks with 5 to 10 behind u..not saying that stevie etal were smart here, but the phil compatison dont work..born on 3rd, cant yell yaaay i hit a triple...

mchang, phil hasnt been involved with phils for a while..so no on that, sues son is the main benefactor...no doubt he did smart things with the money..if u gave me 350k to come back with a sports car, id come back with a ferrari also.

Person #1 is a NJ loan shark who was being shaken down, Persons #2 and #3 ran a NJ/ Philly bookmaking operation and were also being shaken down, Person #4 was involved with Victor DeLuca in shaking down a loan shark customer known as S.P., and Person #5 is Anthony Persiano.

Castelli and Arabia are associates. Sonny Mazzone was inducted at the 2015 ceremony, the others are unknown. Anthony Persiano was inducted in the late-2000s by Nicky Scarfo Jr when the Scarfos were planning on taking over the family. It's unclear how he and Sam Piccolo went from the Scarfos to the other Philly guys (Persiano, Sam Piccolo, Salvatore Pelullo and another individual were made by Scarfo Jr). It looks like Persiano was at that 2015 ceremony. It's possible he was re-inducted there or it's possible he was just present for it like Grande and Steve Mazzone.

I just read the indictment, it does seem strange not once is Joey Merlino mentioned

chin...you are on point

az guy or borgesi

What do you mean inducted by Nicky Scarfo Jr?

That’s what I was saying. I wasn’t sure about Phillips thanks for clearing that up. The guy I quoted said Phil is a millionaire when everyone else is struggling, and I pointed out his dad left him and the fam in a good place and I referenced the restaurants as money makers. I completely agree he hasn’t had to struggle as much to make his money because everyone knows it’s easier to make something outta something then it is something outta nothing.

Around the time of the First Plus scam, Scarfo Jr and an 'old-timer' held a ceremony (with Scarfo Sr's blessing) to induct the above guys I mentioned who were around Scarfo Jr. This was when the Scarfos were trying to take over Philadelphia again. Scarfo Jr approached Joey Grande when he got out and offered to make him a captain under Scarfo Sr (the idea being they wanted to re-establish a Philly family under Scarfo). Grande however went with Ligambi and Merlino. The Scarfos even approached Joey Ciancaglini Jr to see if they could recruit him for their plan.

Scarfo Jr had been demoted by this point as Luchese captain in NJ and replaced with Ralph Perna. This situation was part of the reason behind the 2010 meeting between Ligambi and the Gambinos.

Make them into what Family? The Lucchese family? Scarfo Jr never got transferred back to Philly and never would. What old timer? From what family? Where did this bullshit story come from?

Merlino better find a hiding place fast.Baby Dom will rat like his dad and he can get Merlino life

From reading the indictment, Grande has big problems because he approved drug deals which puts him smack ( no pun intended) in the middle of a drug conspracy. Because they recorced the ceremony, Mazzone can be charged with drug conspracy becaus the ceremony explained how they “kick money up”. The guy Deluca also has issues.
If they plea out, Grande may get 60 - 72 months fed time. Worst case, he gets 120 months. Thats a heavy bid.
Not so sure these guys were make a lot of money here but then again this may just be a small part of what they were doing.

Do they have any influence on the docks of The Port of Philadelphia?

The 2010 Stefanelli transcripts show the Philly guys talking about Scarfo Jr's efforts to take back the Philly family with his father as boss. That's where the Joey Grande part is mentioned. I believe the Ciancaglini part comes from a detention memo in the First Plus case. Anastasia and Schratwieser did a Mob Talk last year about the ceremony where they mentioned the 'old-timer'. Anastasia adds it's unclear whether they were made into the Lucheses, Philadelphia or just 'in their own mind'.

If the ceremony wasn't to induct them into the Luchese family then it would be to induct them in a Scarfo-led, Luchese-recognised Philly family. Then Scarfo Jr gets busted, the plan for taking back Philly falls apart, and somehow Persiano and Piccolo are taken in by the actual Philly family.

Any mention of Johnny Changs? I haven’t read it yet but he seems to have escaped any scrutiny.

The only made guys mentioned in the documents are the Mazzones, Grande, Person #5 (Persiano), M.L. (Lancellotti) and J.L. (Ligambi)

Grande has problems alright.The feds want him down for life.He has probally a ten piece here and they want him in the 2012 hit too.they are putting a lot of pressure on him.i praise Nicodemo for his standing up.Not many would including Dom.We will see.This is the guy they are gonna try to flip to take down merlino

If I'm reading things right, the ceremony was recorded in 2015? that's a longtime to sit on it

Feds suspected that an another induction ceremony has held in 2010 during Anthony Staino's wedding.

None.

They believe there has been at least one since 2015.

In the indictment, they only mention that Steve Mazzone, Dom Grande and Sonny Mazzone were attending the ceremony (in addition of the 5 guys who were getting made obviously).

Do you believe they were the only 3 made guys attending it or was there other people but, for some reason, they can't mention them ?

hell no they have no influance over the docks or any union work.. that ship stopped 20 years ago. even in NY if you are italian you are not allowed to work in the fish market.. THAT came on the news a few years ago.... everyone or my fault most NY guys knows that. Government stopped that stuff.. And i am not being a smartass toward you my man.. Maybe a NY guy could let us know more on that one.. But they do there own rehabbing of old houses. like i said before they hold real jobs. even rehabbing houses and real estate adventures you can only do so much.. and most of that shit is legit especially through the real estate. real estate has there own laws.. there is shit you can do and cant. you have to follow the rules over there of anyone can say they don't think something is right. i don't think you can do too much illegally activity, really no room for that in real estate. keller willams and long foster or whom ever, are all 99% legit.. there is a real estate school to become an agent. maybe when rehabbing houses they use cheap material or mexian labor.. and over price the place they are selling.. not really breaking the law there..... and if you are doing legit stuff are you gonna kick up.. yea right not over here im not...... they could of sold weed an coke an probably gotten away with it.. but the fentontyal or whatever the way it is killing young people .. the po po had to crack down an make arrest.. no way to make money any more with gambling being mostly legal and the pa casinos...

yea i was wondering. but dom might b to young to know everything or just was not there years ago. but he can take others out. yea these dudes aint worth anything, they better go to wawa and find a night shift. cant even bartend for another year yet, probably.. he gets windows smashed in gets sold fake drugs and his woman running around.. just because you a top capo dont mean your tough or can bring it in the bed either... lol

Sonny Mazzone was one of the guys getting made. There would have been more guys there than just Grande and Steve Mazzone. They just don't want to disclose more than they have to at this stage.

grumpies that is a very good point about Grande's age.Where there is smoke there is fire and all the fed fingers are pointing to him as the shooter with nicodemo that day.I feel both of those guys were given the ok from the top on that hit and I don't think it was Ligambi.One murder pinned on Merlino he is gone.

So who was presiding over this ceremony, surely the boss was there?

Maybe the boss was there via zoom? No mention of Joey Merlino in the indictment so he was not there but Mazzone o r Ligambi might have been considered the boss at the time for this ceremony

Just because Joey wasn't mentioned doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't there. Considering the feds haven't even released the initials of the others inducted at the ceremony it's very conceivable that Merlino was there.

Ya you are right on that he could have been there; it is not a crime to be present when induct someone into a "club" I suppose. The feds have grande dead to rights on those drug charges if their side of this story is right. Guy literally gets away with murder and then does not take extra precautions to keep his mouth quiet. I guess he didnt speak on the wire about the murder so he has that going for him I guess

I don't believe Joey or George Borgesi were present at that ceremony. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Ligambi and Michael Lancellotti were there. Ligambi seems to be very active for his age. He's always at the club house.

It appears the Fed's are taking a more practical approach to going after these guys, I.E. targeting a specific crew within the family and taking it from there. Obviously, Grande is probably the guy they see as the key to putting a big dent in the family. Servidio really is to blame for this one growing legs. I'd imagine in the old days, someone would have eliminated him before it got this bad for everyone.

I believe the new FBI Special Agent in Charge of OC division in Philly, is the guy that did a number on the Bonnano's up in NY years ago. Apparently, a pretty sharp guy.

Per Dave S. feds released another part of the induction from Stevie to deny bail. ‘None of youse are owed anything. It’s what you bring here. This is the family, this is where you bring it to. It’s not for you.’

Pretty fucking weak.

Right on Chin .....wait till find out who made them , not Jr. unless i was told wrong...but I doubt... made by a old Philly member with the okey from sr. With the blessing of another boss .

When are these guys going to realize .... they cant use phones .... they got to have security..... you cant let these fucks record ceremonies .

how in the world would nicky scarfo jr have the authority to make a puppet never mind a person ?

It happened... he did not make him I don’t believe... it should gone down the way i said .... but we will find out soon and not just AP there are others .

Who did Nicky Scarfo Jr. "make" that you are speaking of?

It was said scarfo jr made perisano the rat. Scarfo jr was with the lucchese’s and no way would they let him perform a ceremony on his own. No way could he make someone on behalf of philly. Its strange,

[quote=NYMafia]Who did Nicky Scarfo Jr. "make" that you are speaking of?[/quote

He didn’t..... JR..... they were made into the Philly family by just like I said..... five families didn’t recognize Skinny as boss .... they were made the way i said above..


Very small chance i have it a little wrong...but I doubt it .

Ok. Makes sense. I think I agree. One crew doesn't allow another crew to make guys in a different crew. You can "unofficially" sponsor. You can ask or recommend. But you have NO official power.

right. If they are Philly guys, in Philly, makes sense that crew absorbs them in

As I recall it was Persiano, Sam Piccolo, Sal Pelullo and another individual. Reward for their involvement in First Plus. Ceremony held by an old-timer. Possibly someone like John Praino. Scarfo Sr's backing from prison. Backing from the Luchese family.

That’s right or very similar.

I don't know how to post certain stuff. there is a George anstasia and dave s new prime podcast 27.. it sounds like the feds aren't showing the whole making ceremony tape.. was one of the guys made the fellow who married an had a baby with ray wags daughter.? And when Mazzone said we have to plant the flag in NJ.. I thought they were kind of there already from nickys day. an most hang in margate and some own houses down there. I believe johnny boy cav was one of there connections in NJ. i think he is a numbers guy.. I don't believe these guys, any of them can mess around in or near any casino.. I don't know you tell me..

. John Praino would fit that bill. Scarfo loyalist. Mid 70s at the time..think he died.on.2013. geographically isolated from the Philly are(BX)

When he said plant the flag he wanted those guys since they had connections and were going to or did live in the area to get more money coming in and take over whatever they could .

What did you hear about Johnny ? You said numbers ? There’s no numbers anymore. As far as a casino they can mess areas long as there not on the CCC list .

Lately I haven't heard anything about new about johnny, but I thought he did a small sports or numbers book. I just know he and joey are friends. weather johnny is more than just a friend of joeys, i don't quite know.. but not everyone take pictures with joey in them. maybe you know.. I know stanio was from down that way also? I wonder if he is doing anything since he has been out. and I believe there is a guy named dave salvo who owns a restaurant in margate called saltwater fishery? i read the police were called there because he was gonna beat a customer up. and I seen that he has photos of him and lagambi. I also heard he was a killer for them? im not quite shure. I don't get down there much any more great area

His father was connected and I believe killed on the boardwalk back when Johnny was a boy ... can’t remember but think Johnny seen it happen.( or its the other way around the father stabbed and killed a guy and went away ) And yes there is something to what you say . His father was never around Phil or Nick for a couple reasons...one being the family didn’t live in AC all year at first so he had other connections i think he was around some guys that didn’t agree with Nick and that wasn’t a good place to be the other after Nick knocked down Chuckie some of his close family members disliked the move ... others moved in and wanted to cut Chuckie throat.

Did Stevie get bail yet? He deserves bail. Case against him is suuuuuuuper thin. I wouldn't be surprised if he wound up serving less than a year for this

Are you kidding, the UB of a family that they have on drugs, gambling and extortion = RICO - plus running a ceremony caught on tape? he'll do 10+ years if he does a day

Herd he dodged the drug charges and Dom is out .... there going to have a hard time not granting bail ..... he’s not a risk and they left him on the streets for several years after they had this evidence so they would be giving his lawyer fire power if not let on bail ... thats if thats alll they got ....?

Stevie granted bail

Kenny Arabia has died, per gangster report