Joe Bikini - The Porno King!

Here's some interesting reading about a little known Lucchese hoodlum who's mob career was cut short by bullets at 43.

Joseph (Joe Bikini) Brocchini

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/joseph-brocchini

Roy and Nino were fearless. Especially Roy doing what he did which would have been instant death if found out. You gotta give Nino props, he was loyal to his underlings. I think Montiglio is a damn liar and Nino was 100x better to him then what he said in Murder Machine. He just wanted to justify why he betrayed his Uncle

The Luccheses ever knows that was Demeo that killed Brocchini?
In 1976 Demeo was only an associate why the Luccheee didn't seek revenge?

I give them NO props. Roy was a degenerate piece of shit, and IF Nino actually knew about it (IF), then he's a harden also. Roy had to sneak ya, because straight up Joe would have eaten him for breakfast, and he did. Roy get mouthy with Joe and they had an altercation, Joe banged him up.

Joe Bikini was an extremely tough MF'er. And very well respected.

Roy Demeo was a "sneak thief" back-stabbing, serial-killing, "half a Jeffery Dahmer" type depraved individual. To kill the way he did was NOT an enforcer, he was an animal that should have been put down a lot sooner than he was.

And I hold Gaggi and even Castellano responsible for allowing a DG like that in their ranks. There are killers, and THEN there are killers, depraved and mentally unstable "Sick Puppies" who don't belong in "The Life", DeMeo fell in the latter category IMO.

I put him in the same category as a Charlie Carneglia who collected "trinkets" and bobbles or his victims. THAT'S serial killer shit. And a bit too out there for my taste.

And the answer is NO Furio. The Lucchese crew, and more importantly Brocchini's personal crew never knew where the killing had come from. Otherwise I'm certain they would have taken this Demeo out.

It was what we call a "Sneak" job.

The amount of money DeMeo was bringing in was staggering. As for Brocchini punching DeMeo, he was a made guy. If Roy hit him or fought back it would be a death sentence. Roy only had 2 options, let it go or do it on the sneak. I wouldn't praise Brocchini too much. He did deal in the same kind of sick shit porn that Roy did.

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When Brocchini got clipped in 75' I don't believe that DeMeo was bringing in the big bucks yet at all. He hadn't become "Demeo" yet with the car thefts, etc. If anything Joe was the star. He was one of the biggest porno guys in New York City. A multimillionaire.

Also, for Joe to hit em must have been because he got nasty and raised his hands. Otherwise Joe knew protocol and wouldn't have raised his hands to a connected guy, even if only an "associate".
So Roy must have been a nasty cocksucker as he was later known for, IMO, and taken liberties that he shouldn't have. So in that case Brocchini was right to bust his hole.

And I can't say for sure (Neither of us were there to see it one way or the other), but Brocchini had taken several pinches for pornography but never one for "child porn" which is an absolutely filthy thing that only true degenerates would traffic in. Even in U.S. Senate hearings on porn Brocchini was NEVER accused of dealing in that shit. Just general pornography. Is it possible? Or course but you gotta be built that way to deal that low. Believe it or not even most wiseguys have a sense of morality, and many won't deal drugs, or handle porno (or more speficially child porn, etc), or prostitution. Many guys consider that stuff immoral, even by street standards. I've known many guys who were repulsed by that stuff.

Even killing was a thing not ALL wiseguys did (contrary to the popular view on made guys).

Remember that back in the day what porn guys commonly dealt in is readily available for you and I to see for free (to a much GREATER extent) than they ever sold under the table or in their book stores. If you see what they actually sold, It's almost benign and comical by todays standards of morality. I know well because I'm old enough to have gone into those stores, and even The Blackjack Bookstore which was Brocchini's so I knew it well. The seedy Times Square area pf the 1960s-1970s was very prevalent at the time I grew up.

Nino did give his approval to Roy, as long as he didn't get caught. At least that's how I rememeber it from Murder machine. Probably Nino mentioned this story to Dominick montiglio at some point and that's how we know what actually happened.

Brocchini got whacked in May of 76. DeMeo had been making big money just off his loanshark book alone. So well h bought an expensive home in Massapequa back in 66.

He bought a house in Massapequa. Nice home, but NOT a mansion. Whats a house?? Most people buy a house. With all do respect, I suggest that Demeo wasn't making BIG, BIG money then. The international car theft ring etc., came later.

By comparison Brocchini had a home (a palace) up in Harrison, NY that in 1975 was valued at $250,000. (like $3,000,000 in todays money). THATS big money. And Brocchini had more than that. A lot more.

Not that its a pissin contest, but I'm just trying to show you the way the landscape layed between them.

Roy's home in Massapequa that he bought in 1966 was $200k home at that time. He started loaning money out right out of high school. Never held a legit job after 22 years old. He hooked up with the smaller Lucchese Family at first. His rackets were loansharking/cars/ porn. Who else did you think was involved with Roy in this business? Fucking Brocchini. He supplied Roy with Porn, bought stolen parts from him for his Parliament biz. Roy outgrew Brocchini. In wealth and in stature. Roy caught the attention of Nino in 67. Recruited Rosenberg and other crew members to steal and chop cars in the late 60s/early 70s. He took over credit unions in 72 and busted them out. Do your research rookie. You're starting to sound like a woman on her period. Nobody gave a fuck when Brocchini was whacked. It seems you have a love affair with the Lucchese Family. If Brocchini was made it had to be early 76 and the tough guy that he was didn't last long as a made guy. He understimated DeMeo. I think he was jealous he didn't put Roy on record earlier and let Nino take him away. In 76 Roy was a huge earner. Also you wrote an article on Joe Bikini. How do you get the year of his death wrong?

Also your comparison of Joe Bikinis house is flawed. You compared the 1975( the wrong date of his death that you listed) to the current 3 million dollar figure. You have to list the year and price he bought it back then. Which I'm sure you don't know. You're obviously basing your findings off NY times articles/Wiki with a touch of Mary Ferrell and Newspapers.com sprinkled in.

Wrong! Completely. I beg to differ but I KNOW what Joe bought his home for and put into it. It was a mansion. (and a half). A multi acreage sprawling estate. And I also well know the real estate figures (It's one of the things I do for a living). A home valued at $250,000 in the mid to late seventies in today's market would easily be worth ten times its value +/- depending upon upkeep and desirability of area. I dare say THAT area was/is one of the most desired in suburban Westchester County, NY. (an extremely costly area)

If you know Harrison, then you would not question my statement. It is the equivalent of a Brookville, Old Westbury or Lloyd Harbor on LI. Go Google Polly Park Drive (his address) and take a look. If you can even see from an aerial view because of all the acreage and foliage you'll understand. Google some of the listings for the area. You obviously are not from the NY suburban area because that section of Westchester county is well known to be simply gorgeous and extremely expensive.

I am also extremely familiar with Massapequa and its surrounding areas. Massapequa "on the water" can be quite expensive such as Club Drive where Carlo Gambino and Terry Zappi had the homes on the Great South Bay.

But on its interior Massapequa is nothing special. Many homes are actually very modest. If you likewise Google Demeo's home you'll see what I'm talking about there as well... nice home. Nobody is saying it isn't. Its just Nothing special. Period! Maybe worth $600-800,000 at best IMO. And that being very generous. If it's worth more, then its got gold fixtures in it which I doubt. Good money, but not a WOW home. These are "tract" homes built cookie cutter on 1/4 area plots in a row. Not "custom built" designer homes on sprawling estate properties.

Back in that same mid-late 1970's period, a house like that might have cost $50,000-60,000 or so. NO comparison. I'm even allowing for a 12 +/- times increase to even make my point. It still doesn't touch a Harrison home. If I am wrong on ANY or these numbers its be a pittance either way. Numbers don't lie.

As I say, Google them each and I think this part of the discussion is over.

I would think you would love the discussion to be over when your argument was home prices and not mob history. Joe Brocchini, in your opinion, is a much bigger mobster because his house was so expensive. What was Neil Dellacroce's house worth in Staten Island? By your reasoning Brocchini was more important than a Gambino Underboss. When was Joseph Brocchini made? Do you have any idea or are your just copy/pasting newspaper articles and passing them off on your website?

Brocchini was made in February 1976 and Dellacroce was a old school guy and the mafiosi like him would live in a modest home even if earn milions.
DeMeo was a huge earner also because he sell drug even if was banished and Castellano dont wanted to made him even if he taken a share of his drug ring money.

No reason to get testy, lol, we're just having a discussion here my man!

The only reason why I mentioned about the houses was because YOU brought it up trying to make a point (look at our previous discussions). I was just addressing each point you made.

To address you other points; 1) Brocchini was NOT a Gambino, but affiliated with the Lucchese Family. 2) as Furio said Joe was suspected to have made in early 1976 and then Joe was murdered shortly thereafter. 3) The homes DO NOT make the bigger mobster, but at THAT period in time Demeo hadn't yet become "Demeo". He was still only starting out and not truly established with the inter. car theft ring, drugs, etc. Brocchini was already a multi-millionaire many times over (Fact). and a major player 4) an as Furio also aptly observed many old-timers like Dellacroce etc., lived in modest homes regardless of wealth. The younger guys? Not so much.

And as for your last accusation? About whether I really have "any idea" or do I just "copy and paste info" onto my website? LOL

I will say one thing ColonelReb, and you can take this to the bank. The vast majority of info on my website, especially about when talking about NY, NJ, and FL, is 70% all me. I don't even need to crack a book, or do a Google search.

If you are a "mob aficionado", which I'd imagine you are if you visit forums like this, and my site. Then you shouldn't even have to pose a silly question like that. Ok.

Don't you know? Can't you tell, that much of what I write is extremely singular information? Do you really think I pulled a lot of that stuff from the net? or a book?

If so please produce that book so we can all see it.

PS: I also know much more than I sometimes put down on paper understand? Because at the end of the day certain things I feel are still not open for discussion.You might fall off your chair if you knew a bit more about me. I NEVER talk out of my ass. When I say something on my site, or on here its on the money. And if I'm wrong, it's a rarity. Nobody's perfect right? lol...... but I never pull stuff from the sky or anywhere else.

Please read my "about us" page on our site TNYM, it may offer you a different perspective about me.
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In the meantime, it was good chatting with you. I always enjoy a good debate. Stay well, stay safe.

If castellano was so worried about Drugs why did he take money from Patsy Conte and the Cherry Hill Gambino's who were heavily involved in Heroin?

I'm well aware of who was in what family. DeMeo started out as a hang around Lucchese guy before Nino put him on record. I don't know why you think DeMeo wasn't a major earner until 76. You think he didn't start stealing cars, dealing drugs, dealing porn until he was made? I know your articles on your site. They're accurate. Most of them are from Mary Ferrell, ny times searches, and other internet searches and books.

What evidence do you have to back up the Lucchese Family held a making ceremony in Feb 76?

There's only one Lucchese guy (Gas pipe) that claims he was mad in 74. 2 Genovese guys (fish cafaro and George barone) claimed they were made in 74. We have no other evidence to back up ceremonies of those two families. There is a lot of evidence on the other 3 as to when the books were made open.

Speakin' of houses of porno kings...did u 2 guys ever see Robert Di Bernardo's pad??..google/ 1101 Harbor Dr.( or could b) Rd..Hewlett Harbor L.I. N.Y.

Also a major porn car guy back in the day. Had ties to the DeCav family. ran many businesses including sattlite auto alignment

In all fairness I think that it was more than the drugs per se. Although Castellano earned off the cars, etc., I think he didn't really go for Demeo for other reasons. I believe I read that somewhere. Now this may or may not be true, but that what I read. He was also never near Castellano. Demeo worked through Gaggi, Big Paul kept his distance the best he could from Demeo.

Also remember that you are trying to compare "apples and oranges". Conte and the Gambino brothers were at a tremendously higher level with the narcotics dealing than Demeo. You are talking about guys who never even "touched" the stuff yet moved hundreds, if not thousands of kilos at a time.

Demeo may have been involved with drugs, more street level or wholesale, but no where near the level of the others who were "international smugglers". Plus they ostensibly were "legit" businessmen until it came out. VERY low key, quiet, reserved, almost beyond reproach. So accepting a fat envelope from them was a bit different. Safer so to speak. Hypocritical maybe, but different.

You obviously didn't fully read through my personal bio. Aside from ALL the above sources which you mentioned, there are many more government sources I access as well for DOB's, addresses, pedigree intel, etc., on many subjects throughout the country that I may have heard of, but don't know the particulars on. Thats a very normal and important set of tools I need to do what I do..... But that doesn't take into consideration my "personal knowledge" of having been extremely close to the flame my entire life. From a baby on up. The knowledge and experiences I garnered from having "lived" in that world for many decades provides me with what I like to consider a singular" insight into much of OC.

Collectively I write many pieces that extremely unique with little known info for many of my stories. I also do not write about many things that I could, simply not to denigrate or expose what I feel is sometimes info that is "too personal" about someone. So its what I say, and often what I don't say but "know" about a subject that matter as well.

Furio may have worded it differently but he is essentially correct. "BY" February of 1976 law enforcement felt that Brocchini had been "made". He may well have been one of the first 10 of each crew to have been made in 1975, or a few months after that. But LE was reporting that he had his button by the time he got clipped. I think that explains it a bit more in-depth but Furio was correct, Brocchini was alleged to be in that category.

This subject has been argued many times. But I can definitely tell you this with 101% complete confidence. I do not know about 1974 (but I guess it is possibly - nobody sent me a memo LOL), but I do know that two people who were very close to me got it by mid 1975. That is a fact because they told me and we went out to celebrate their "promotion" so to speak.

And as the months went on, and into 1976 I was told about several others, and actually congratulated several who I met. And from that point on I saw the extra reverence and courtesy that they suddenly received from people.

DeBe became one of the biggest in porn. And yes, he had a beautiful home set within the Five Towns area of South Nassau Country.

Yes Di Bernardo was a big earner. He was a savvy businessman as well as a street guy. He also had a piece of a small disco/club that we used to frequent back in the late 1980s in the Five towns as well. I don't remember the name but I was told that he was involved.

He was into construction, business, real estate, etc., he was no fool.

Holy shit, that house appears to topples Big Paul's. Must be nice.

I believe fish cafaro and barone getting made in 1974 because they were both fat Tony's guys. He must have been underboss or consig around that time or acting for tieri who had health problems even thou he was the acting boss for squint but long story short fish testified fat Tony asked him to sponcer barney in 77 as a father to his father. This is all testimony fish gave in 1987 88 only a decade an few years after he himself was inducted so he couldn't have forgotten or mixed up years in that little amount of time. Baroness testimony was like 40 yrs after his induction so he could have mistaken but I remember reading the papers when he was testifying he was pretty sharp thinking was Peter gottis trial

Al Darco was proposed for membership in 1974 and he said even though he didn’t get made others did...

I think Gambino was dead set against opening the books and with big paul basically being the acting boss around 74 75 till carlo dies they obeyed his wishes. But the genovese family didnt bow down to his wishes and probaly with tony ducks made a handful of guys. We know tom dibella was a Gambino guy so he probaly didnt want to rock the boat and the bonanno were just getting there footing back in 74 with rastelli becoming boss

I have to agree with your assessment on these points as well. Gambino held firm with the no induction rule. Books closed. With Carlo's death, the vote was to finally open the books after nearly twenty years. I'm imagine that the Genovese crew may have been in the forefront of the first guys slipped in as well. They pretty much did as they pleased with others following their lead.

The Colombo's had been under the thumb of Carlo for awhile, so I don't imagine DiBella was gonna rock the boat as you say.

The genovese and luchese deffinlty opened the books for new guys in 74. I dont think dibella or rastelli had any vote between the 3 families. And gambinos probaly just was out voted. Did anthony tumac also say he was inducted in 74 or 77 in the luchese family I remember reading one of those years. I'm betting this guy joe bikini was first class of the luchese in 74 or 1 of 10 guys or something

If someone can confirm tony ducks was boss and on the street in 1974 my theory will make sense. Him and fat tony where close. Fat tony in 1974 was either underboss or consig. Like he said on his own wiretap in the Palma boys social club I made all the guys. So I'm thinking him and tony ducks got the ok to open the books well carlo gambino and dibella just said not for our family.

I think Tumac was 77', but I'm not certain. And as for Joe? I think it was after 75', but who knows.

I will tell you this, with or without the "button", he was a force, and "goodfella" material thru and thru. Just the type of guy who was considered a "goodfella" regardless of his "official" status.

A respected guy.

I think Tony either got out of the can just about then or slightly before. If you notice that was about the time Andimo Pappadio aka Tommy Noto get clipped. He was acting and I heard he didn't wanna step aside for Tony....That was the reason for that (IMO)

Been reading this organized crime 5 families stuff for awhile the debate always comes down to did the luchese and genovese family open the books for the disco fever dudes in 74. Michael franzese has flip flopped saying he was made on Halloween 75. But his induction and who was there is the same. I can't remember didnt casso testify in front of the gas tax Senate he was made in 1974? Casso seems to remember alot of details

You typically hear 75', then 76'. some say 77'..... a few say the end of 74'

I truly believe a few could have gotten it in late 74' on the down low quietly.

But to my personal knowledge. And of this I am 100% certain on. In fact, make it 200% certain. There were a bunch of guys (some say 10 in each of the Five Families), who got the badge by 1975.

I do not remember what time of the year it was, spring, summer, fall, etc, but I know for certain that the year was "1975" because several people close to me got it. This is a thing I will never forget.

Thanx 4 checking it out blue...I thought the same thing...absolutly rivals Castellano's joint.

Castellano had Roy to his house many times when he was acting Captain of the Gaggi crew. After Nino got jammed up on the Eppolito father and son hit.
He also started out with the Decavalcante Family

10? Provide a list of the names. In the thousand documents I've read in the 5 families I've only seen Allie Boy Persico getting made in a family outside of NY and transferred to the Colombo Family to rep his brother Carmine who was going in for a long bid. Only others that have claimed weren't documented but in their own words. Fish cafaro and George Barone in the Genovese 1974. Gaspipes Casso in the Lucchese Family 1974 and Mike Franzese in the Colombo Family Halloween 1975. And all the facts and guys Mike says he.was made with line up with Halloween 1978. The Fall after the spring murder of Americus Scotese. I'm not saying it was impossible but out of the thousands of documents and books I've read for the past 25 years I don't have any concrete evidence that any happened. I once thought Franzese couldn't have gotten his making date wrong until I saw this article and re-read his book again.



https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2019/02/gambino-family-ceremonies-1970s.html?m=1

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Hiya Colonel, The specific document I am referring to is a newspaper article in late 1975-early 76 that quoted law enforcement stating that through their informants they now know that the official "books" have been opened in LCN. That the rats stated each Family has been allowed to make 10 new members (so 50 throughout the Five Families). I do not remember specifically which paper it was but I wanna say that either The Daily News, or New York Times. Could have been the Post also but I don't think so for whatever reason. TNYT or Dailynews.

I remember my father and uncles bugging about it, because they could not believe that no sooner were guys getting in, the Feebees already knew of it.

Now, the reason why these dates are so significant for me is because several people close to me "got it" as well at that time. (Extremely close to me without going into details), So close that we immediately went out and had a big celebration together because of their elevation. And of course I will never forget these dates. I do not remember the month, I wanna say by summer maybe because I don't remember it being cold weather. But the year was definitely 1975. That much I do know.

So aside from reading it in the newspapers shortly after us going out to celebrate their good fortune, the newspapers had reported through LE as well. There may have even been some guys made in late 74', that I can't confirm. But by 1975 there were guys getting in.

If you scan old newspapers, especially the ones I spoke of, I am certain you can dig it up. I do not remember the papers mentioning names (although maybe they did). But they def wrote about it and stated 10 members in each crew.

LCNBios is a very good source. But even he says that the dates he states may have been when LE found out about the inductions, not necessarily when they WERE inducted. Only when LE found out

Brocchini was head & shoulders above the little rat pe do Demeo

I'd have to agree with you there WW

How do you know joe?