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Posted By: majicrat

Italian Immigrants - 08/19/20 06:14 PM

Are there any significant numbers coming over anymore? If so where are they settling? I couldn't find anything on the internet about it. Anyone?
Posted By: Jeremythejew

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/19/20 09:11 PM

Uhhh...

Its 2020.... I dont think it's called "settling" in anymore....
Plus covid kinda fucked that up
Posted By: m2w

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/19/20 09:12 PM

no, the italian emigration ended in the 1970s
Posted By: Hollander

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/19/20 09:21 PM

The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.
Posted By: Flushing

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/19/20 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hollander
The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.


That's interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the Nigerian takeover of Calabria, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/europe...-chopped-alive-by-nigerian-migrants/amp/
Posted By: Hollander

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Flushing
Originally Posted by Hollander
The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.


That's interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the Nigerian takeover of Calabria, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/europe...-chopped-alive-by-nigerian-migrants/amp/


Many southern italians here, mostly in catering pizzerias, restaurants, ice cream etc..you get the best food in mobbed-up places lol.
Posted By: Cm

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 12:51 AM

In Boston there’s not really any Italians coming over any more there’s still a couple Irish but not as much
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 08:04 AM

Today the only Italians who emigrate are graduates or skilled workers, then come the young people who go to work in pizzerias around Europe.
For the mob for sure the families still have zips in their ranks.
Posted By: British

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 09:34 AM

Lot of Italians in the UK, always been some old communities dotted around the country.
Posted By: TheKillingJoke

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Flushing
Originally Posted by Hollander
The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.


That's interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the Nigerian takeover of Calabria, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/europe...-chopped-alive-by-nigerian-migrants/amp/


Not that many Nigerians in Calabria.
Catania and Castel Volturno is a different story. They're around, but they stick to pimping and retail level drug dealing. No use in believing the sensationalist newspapers. Give it 5-10 years and Nigerian crime in Italy will barely be a point of conversation anymore.
Posted By: MolochioInduced

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 10:55 AM

Is ZIP the term used for only Sicilians or is it applicable to all Souther Italian OC? Sopranos was just a show, but the shooters brought in from Napoli, were also referred to as ZIPS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3C-JfoPyMc
Posted By: Hollander

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 11:18 AM

Italians are still the largest group of migrants in Belgium, almost 200.000. In Germany over 2 million.
Posted By: m2w

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Today the only Italians who emigrate are graduates or skilled workers, then come the young people who go to work in pizzerias around Europe.
For the mob for sure the families still have zips in their ranks.


there are still some italians who emigrate, but they are not even close to the past numbers and as you said they are mostly graduates
Posted By: m2w

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted by Flushing
Originally Posted by Hollander
The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.


That's interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the Nigerian takeover of Calabria, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/europe...-chopped-alive-by-nigerian-migrants/amp/


Not that many Nigerians in Calabria.
Catania and Castel Volturno is a different story. They're around, but they stick to pimping and retail level drug dealing. No use in believing the sensationalist newspapers. Give it 5-10 years and Nigerian crime in Italy will barely be a point of conversation anymore.

it depends on the politicians, the right wind ones (berlusconi, salvini etc.) love to blame some immigrant group to get more votes and the media tends to overrate them or even invent something, for example the murder of that girl has absolutely nothing to do with nigerian organized crime, they probably never carried out a single murder in italy... most serious info about them come from DIA reports that have not any interest to overrate anybody, in the DIA report you find over 350 pages about italian organized crime groups and only 5 about nigerians (10 about foreign gangs as a whole), that's thre real picture and threats of organized crime in italy
Posted By: DiLorenzo

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 04:45 PM

A girl I know married a kid from Italy and it took like 6 months for him to be allowed to come here...And that was under Obama..They don't make it easy
Posted By: TheKillingJoke

Re: Italian Immigrants - 08/20/20 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by m2w
Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted by Flushing
Originally Posted by Hollander
The number of Italians living in the Netherlands has almost doubled in the past 10 years. Almost 40,000 people.


That's interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the Nigerian takeover of Calabria, etc.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/europe...-chopped-alive-by-nigerian-migrants/amp/


Not that many Nigerians in Calabria.
Catania and Castel Volturno is a different story. They're around, but they stick to pimping and retail level drug dealing. No use in believing the sensationalist newspapers. Give it 5-10 years and Nigerian crime in Italy will barely be a point of conversation anymore.

it depends on the politicians, the right wind ones (berlusconi, salvini etc.) love to blame some immigrant group to get more votes and the media tends to overrate them or even invent something, for example the murder of that girl has absolutely nothing to do with nigerian organized crime, they probably never carried out a single murder in italy... most serious info about them come from DIA reports that have not any interest to overrate anybody, in the DIA report you find over 350 pages about italian organized crime groups and only 5 about nigerians (10 about foreign gangs as a whole), that's thre real picture and threats of organized crime in italy


Exactly. The official statistics always show a completely different story than newspapers and political propaganda shows.

When I take for instance the organized crime statistics of Belgium it shows that about 8% of the active criminal organizations have ties to Italy, 6% have ties to the Netherlands, 5% have ties to Morocco, 5% have ties to Albania and Kosovo, 4% have ties to Turkey...Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Israel, Nigeria, Colombia, Serbia/Montenegro, Bosnia, China/HK/Taiwan, UK, Ireland, France, Lebanon, Greece, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Japan, Pakistan...barely get to about 1% each (some maybe 2%).

Moroccans and Turks mostly have a dual citizenship so a Moroccan criminal in for instance Antwerp is registered as "Moroccan"

About half of the registered organized crime cases detected are still indigenous Belgians. And Belgium isn't a country that's known for having an established homegrown underworld. Granted, most of these criminals are barely noticeable because the majority of them isn't involved in blue collar crime, but rather the white collar stuff.

Still if you were to believe the news articles the Moroccans and Albanians control about 80% of Belgium's cocaine trade, despite the fact that it's largely the retail side of the business they're involved in. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of Moroccans in Antwerp that are big enough as mid-level traffickers and mid-level traffickers sit on a lot of drugs and make plenty of money - but they're not the ones allowing the stuff to pass through the docks.
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