The alleged Jr Gotti proffer

I know he and his lawyer spoke to prosectutors / proffered but Gotti jr decided he couldnt go through with it. When he proffered, from everything i read, it really had no impact on anyone and no one was ever arrested because of Gotti jr. in fact he gave a lot of info on guys that were dead.

I remember seeing an interview with a law enforcement guy who said: “Gotti jr and his attorney came in to see us but we could immediately see they were giving us either information we already knew or insignificant information relative to his charges. We also got the impression he and his attorney were just trying see if they could possibly read the cards we had for the upcoming trial and that was that, we went to trial”.

Why does John Alite, who not only cooperated but testified against a bunch of mob guys at various trials make Gotti jr sound like a full blown cooperator? I realize the mob calls a guy a rat if he even waives to an agent but i just dont see Gotti jr’s proffer session as leading to anyone getting arrested.
John Alite seems to have a mission to prove to the world that Gotti Jr’ proffer equals or comes close to John Alite’s level of cooperation. Its not even close, Alite was a 100% cooperator.
Im not sticking up for Gotti jr but we need to be fair here.

He implicated Joe watts in 2 murders in the proffer. He admitted that the murdered Danny Silva, a 20 year old kid for spilling a drink on him, he implicated a politician in taking bribes for illegal dumping...he implicated Danny Marino in the murder of Jimmy Hydel

He basically is a full blown cooperator. I don’t Like Alite and think he is a bullshitter but Gotti jr was a cooperator for sure. Also the Gottis are known bullshitters

John Alite is the definition of a clown. Alite on the stand said he controlled the coke trade in a huge area and had "150" workers under him. Then goes to say his 150 guys moved one kilo a month and that a Kilo is a pound.

LOL. Alite is a joke.

EVERY single mob guy says he’s for real and gives him all kinds of respect in the interviews and tells stories about him like the guy he got in a fistfight w in a bar and they said give him a fair fight first and he fought him and then shot him in the head and then Steve Newell said he personally witnessed the entire crew answering to alite and that on the street he was known as juniors right hand..why do you think Jr got emotional during the trial and started screaming at alite that your a Rat and Dog..you know one rhin he didn’t call him a liar

Agreed. Look like I said Alite has told fairy tales but every mobster does the same exact thing. However despite what we think of Alite it’s obvious he was a dangerous guy. I mean Junior Gotti was obviously scared of him and tried to get him thrown back in jail

I do not think for a minute jr Gotti was afraid of Alite. No way. It is true, Alite did get chased out of ozone park,.

Of course you don’t lol. Just like Gotti wasn’t afraid of Roy Demeo right? Despite the fact that Gene Gotti basically admitted it on a 1982 wiretap

The thing with Roy and Gotti is a bit strange because Roy basically surrounded himself with a bunch of kids in their 20’s. Although he did have Nino. Was he afraid of Roy? I dont know, maybe he was.
As far as Alite though, thats a different story. Why would Gotti Jr be afraid of Alite?

Gotti jr is afraid of alite. Back in the 80s junior had the Gambino family behind him That’s why now when it’s just him he calls the cops

I wonder if the proffer or even Alite had something to do with Gotti Jr getting stabbed a few years back.He said he was breaking up a fight between two strangers in the cvs parking lot.Makes you wonder

Absolutely. Why else would a junior have been writing letters to the parole board to get Alite sent back

What does the the backing of the gambino’s have to do with Jr not being afraid of Alite ? Alite wasnt a golden gloves boxer, an amateur boxer, a high school wrestler, or a martial arts expert or anything.
He hit guys with baseball bats that werent known for their fighting ability. I just dont get it.
Maybe jr thought Alite would sneak up behind him and attack him with a bat or even shoot him ??? Maybe it was the same fear we had for “the son of sam “ ?

Also, did Jr throw in Joe Watts name during the proffer because he knew Joe Watts was an fbi informer?

Junior is supposed to be a tough guy now hes afraid of alite sneaking him,then hes afraid..afraid is afraid


what about his uncle peter gotti or John gotti his father or danny marino,where they fbi informants??

When did the alleged proffer happen because Gotti was a defendant in four racketeering trials which all ended with mistrials.

John Gotti ended the mobs golden days. I am no Gotti fan. Alite is a joke. He killed low level drug guys and "friends" he put in no real work.And every mob guy props them selves up? This was on the stand where you are sworn to tell the truth. Smh

If you have 150 workers you damn well know a kilo is 2.2 pounds/1000 grams not a pound.

I don’t think anybody is disputing that. We all have said Alite is a bullshitter. But I think we are referring more to Junior Gotti who himself admitted he wasnt cut out for this world. Junior was a cooperator basically even though he acts like he isn’t. I agree Alite was a nobody but at the same time it does seem like Junior was really trying to get him sent back to jail by writing letters

Jr Gotti never even mentions Alite. Never.
Alite constatnly brings up Jr Gotti’s name, its risiculous. I think Alite is always trying to deflect from the fact that he testified on the stand against multiple guys at multiple trials. John Alite was a full blown cooperator.
Jr Gotti served 6 years in prison plus he went tnrough an additional 3 or 4 trials as well as being thrown into solitary confinement.
Jr Gotti never wore a wire and never testified against anyone in court and never signed a cooperation agreement.
Again, i dont see why Jr Gotti would be afraid of John Alite. I dont get it.

Now Alite does seem to be sincere with helping kids, thats a good thing and he gets credit for that.
Jr Gotti seems like a very good father and seems likena decent guy, he gets credit for that.

Jr admitted to murdering a kid for spilling a drink on him and that his father had his crew murder one of the witnesses

Notice how jr didn’t sue him over the proffer in his book instead he said the fbi was tryin to gettin him killed

I’m hoping Gotti the 3rd turns into a major UFC draw and more LCN shit comes to light because of it. Love or hate the Gotti’s but they are good for conversation.

Alite was truly a tough guy but he is a full blown rat. It’s the Albanian in him, fucking animals.

Junior is what he is. Somebody who had no business put in the position he was in and is lucky to be alive. Full blown rat line Alite, absolutely not.

There are rules/guidelines set forth before a proffer. If you have a sharp, experienced attorney well versed in how the feds do things it can be a way for you to get an extra 2 points off your final guideline calculation on top of the 2 you get for “acceptance responsibility(pleading guilty) without telling on a soul.

In 02 I was on the verge of going to trial on a bookmaking/illegal gambling case involving wire rooms in Costa Rica and cash changing hands at a bar in Pa. I was hell bent of going to trial, as where my co-defendants. They were trying to crack our heads. At the last minute(maybe a month before trial) the main money man in the case died. The feds were beside themselves. Long story short they came to me and my 4 codefendants and offered us a deal. Nobody except the guys on probation or supervised release already(they were looking at a violation sentence as well) was to do more than a year and 1 day if they “proffered”. It was you, your attorney and the USADA. He wasn’t allowed to ask ANYTHING other than what YOUR PERSONAL involvement was in the case. Nothing can or was to be used against anyone else. They couldn’t ask me anything about ANYONE. They truly just wanted to know how the fuck we did it. Both of us “proffered” and ended up with about 7 months in a camp. 40 million in bets they tracked for 7 months in a camp!!! The other 3 guys were on paper but nobody got mire than 24 months total.

Moral of the story. A proffer is absolutely not the same as testifying against someone. My next at bat with the feds in 09 involved one of my best friends wearing a wire for a year. Trust me, big difference. Especially when the guy wearing a wire is a convicted and admitted murderer and your not. Just because it was piled down to manslaughter on paper doesn’t mean it wasn’t murder. Alite is an admitted murderer, Junior gotti is not.

both rats ,there is no one said more than the other theory

Alite is a scumbag rat but he was who he was. Anyone who was a somebody in the street will tell you he was both feared and respected at one point.

agreed

true . I think certain guys respected him as a tough kid but I don’t think he was well respected by all the higher ranking guys to be honest

In that part of Queens you had a lot of low level drug dealers and low level criminals that used drugs. Those were the type of people John Alite targeted. John Alite was not around unions, construction, trucking, garments, or the carting industry. Thats where the real money was and that is where the mafia had its power. The same is true with the bath avenue crew. They would rob drug dealers and other vulnerable people. They were much more akin to bloods and crips opposed to the mafia.
For some strange and bizare reason, John Alite thinks a gangster is someone who beats people with bats, pipes, and shoots. Tell that to Carlo Gambino or Tony Ducks, or some of the sicilian gambino’s. A gangster makes money and does his time.
The mob is notorious for using guys like Alite and the bath avenue crew for their dirty work and dangling a carrot about one day getting made. Same thing happened to Gene Borello. They had him do a bunch of dirty work because no one else was dumb enough to do it and they basically used him. Always promising getting made is right around the corner but it never happens.
John Gotti jr was a total fucking bully back in tne day, he changed as he got older though. But still, in the 80’s , early 90’s a total bully. So was Alite back in the day. Alite would would gang up on guys who were just out with their girfriends at dinner or nightclubs, it was bullshit. Same with Gotti jr to a certain extent.
Guys that get made usually have a racket.. whether a big shylocking biz, large gambling operation, a hook in a union or certain industry. Also many are groomed and brought under the wings of a guy with a big racket to where he learns the specialty. For the most part, thats what the mob wants, they dont want a guy who’s specialty is home invasions and robbing drug dealers.
Roy Demeo actually had a lucrative racket with stolen cars.

they wouldnt be able to make money without the alites and borello...all the things you just mention where the big money is is because they had people like alite and borello and carlo gambino and all of them started out shooting people and beating them w bats and pipes...you guys are talking like theyre all business men..Even Castellano started out doing stick ups

Also after watching the new Johnny and Gene Show and see Alite start choking up over a 19 yr old that was just killed in a drive bye and talk about the need for More police especially in the inner cities. It dawns on me that alite has really turned his life around and truly is trying to make a difference in these kids lives vs Junior Gotti who has a even bigger platform and is also a father and instead of really trying to help kids stay away from that life and the evil and heartbreak that comes w it but instead just glorifys his days in the mob and his father ..it really dawns on me that Junior is just a murderous drug dealing scumbag who lives off blood money and murdered an innocent kid and should be in prison for the rest of his life

Ha. That's a laugh. He still revels in guests talking about what a wild killer he was and how wiseguys closed their windows and boarded up their clubs when he came to the neighborhood. Watch the episode featuring guest HOOTIE. Delusional at best.

Not sure how he “reveled” in it. Cause he smiled..and he literally followed that up with that “they were younger and that was just they’re perception of him” ..the Jr gotti fan boys are ridiculous..maybe if Danny Silva was your son or your brother you would feel different ..alite spent his entire life in the mob..it’s what he’s known for and he may get a kick out of the stories but that has nothing to do w his genuine desire to help kids..name me one thing Jr gotti has done for kids? As Jr gotti tells Steve Croft “you like the way la cosa nostra flows off your tounge”. Jr Gotti was just a spoiled rich kid who went to the same millitary school as Donald Trump..like Anthony Ruggiano said “one day jr is in his little millitary uniform , standing at attention, the next day I’m at a party and suddenly he’s a Wiseguy”

And besides that the fact that wise guys who are supposed to be so tough boarded up they’re clubs and hid from one man should tell you how pussy and how fake these so called “men” of honor really are Atleast most of them..the real ones wouldn’t have done that. Becuase the real ones and alite had mutual respect for each other ..Vito Guzzo wouldn’t do that..John Gotti Sr wouldn’t have done that ..Chin wouldn’t have done that..but these pussy bullies who hid behind they’re “badge”did ..time and time again..they must have heard the song “the bitch in yoo” and related to it haha

Alite should concentrate on helping kids rather than constantly talking about how tough he was and how many times he beat guys with bats. Im sure the mother and the fathers of the kids Alite is supposedly helping dont want to hear that nonsense.
He talks more about fighting than 100 pro boxers put together. Why ?????
He should end the bullshit and focus on helping kids, they dont need to hear about him sneaking up on drug addicts and beating them with pipes or bats or stabbing a guy in the throat at a night club. What does that even prove anyway? Why does he always find a way to make a dig at Gotti Jr, they havent been friends for almost 30 years.
Im not saying he wasnt a tough kid but so were thousands of others. I do think he is sincere about helping kids so i give him credit.

At the end of the day both Alite and Gotti jr are liars in some form. Both have been caught in lies. I don’t like either guy. However if I had to choose which guy was tougher it’s Alite for sure

How do you know he was tougher? Based on what? Was he a golden gloves or amateur boxer who actually faught against legitimate boxers?
Was he a wrestler? What legitimate fighters did he fight? Im just curious. You are basing his toughness on guys he abused that might not of been fighters.
Im not saying Jr Gotti did, he didnt. But you mentioned Alite, thats why I ask.

Had a feeling you would say that 😂 This is my personal opinion. If you don’t like it that fine I could care less

I understand its your opinion but i just think its strange that Alite constantly talks about how tough he was while a pro boxer , mma fighter, or wrestler never mention anything about how tough they were or how feared they were.
Again, im not saying Gotti jr was tough either.. where are Gotti jrs credentials??? Im just making a point, that is all.
I will say this , you dont do weeks or months in witsec without some form of toughness and you dont spend time in a brazilian prison without some toughness. No doubt about it.

Or get into a bar fight where it’s you against 3 people and 1 you stab in the throat and the other 2 you smash them in the face w glass

It’s not like I’m praising Alite lol. I do t like either guy but all the research I’ve done and heard Alite was a legit tough guy.

i know he fought Lou A. ( genovese associate) in i think fairton.
i forget the circumstances. Aliite may have been asked by Charlie C to do it.. I forget, but i remember someone telling me. it was in the 90's.

Yup...Alite is walking around the streets of Queens mocking Junior and the best Junior can do is troll him on YouTube...He's pathetic

Most of what Alite says is laughable but he's no different then any other rats out there like Franzese etc..They're trying to make a buck !!

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Gotti jr is 56 years old. Whats he supposed to do, challenge Alite to a street fight!! Its ridiculous.Gotti jr basically ignores it and seldom mentions Alite. You are saying a 56 or 57 year old man is afraid of Alite because he wont fight him. Thats actually funny.
If he was in the life that would be different but he is not. He is at home with his wife and children. What do you think the feds would do if Gotti jr attacked or threatened Alite . They would be all over Gotti jr. However, Alite is basically a protected witness and the fbi probably likes that Alite is egging Jr on.

Less ridiculous then going on YouTube like a 16 year old and having a cat fight, or making a website to bad mouth the guy !!

I wish I could says that's funny !!

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The FBI is probably working with both of them still. They hate Gotti... I wouldn’t put anything past FBI.

Gangsters Gotti

Gotti was screaming at his underlings to fix his hair, he was crying uncontrollably...

Junior: My father was soldier who couldn't cry till he came home lol

Junior in his book:my father wasn’t racist
...que the gotti Sr prison tapes

Agreed. He also claims his father despised the selling of drugs despite the fact that his crew was selling which he knew about and was profiting from. I think my favorite is that Junior claims his father Personally killed McBratney even though it has long Been proven it was Ralph Galione who shot him

I didn't say a word About Jr Gotti in my post. Not sure why you felt the need to go on that tirade instead of just defend Alite. I watch all the Johnny and Gene Show Podcasts. I don't buy their "Help the Kids" schtick. That story about Alite recently going to a club, dude slapping him and him jumping in a creek to hide from the guys after he called the cops and his son to come get him was hilarious though.

They are both lucky they are still alive, in the old days they would be killed.

Remember when he said he was gonna write children's books ?? Lol..This guy's a terrible liar !!

I think Junior's book may have the Guinness record for amount of lies. It's just a whitewash from start to finish. Not saying rats like Alite are always truthful but the people with the most to lose usually lie a lot more. Gotti Sr was most certainly a fucking racist and he was fully aware of what Ange and Gene were doing too. I think Junior even went as far as to say that Gene had nothing to do with heroin trafficking lol They had the motherfuckers on tape

Agreed.