Truth and Lies in the Meldish Murder Sentencings

Truth and Lies in the Michael Meldish Murder Sentencing Hearings - Round One

Matthew Madonna, Christopher Londonio, and Terrance Caldwell were sentenced July 27 for the murder of Michael Meldish and other alleged crimes.

https://italianinquisition.com/madonna-londonio-caldwell-meldish-murder-sentencing/

I didn't know Madonna has a murder conviction from 1954. He would have been 18 or 19 years old. Do you know how much time he did for that?

If I recall she said something about 30 years. But i didn't look anything up on that. I just went off what was said at the sentencing. I'm going to see if there's anything up on Pacer...but it might not have been a federal charge.

Madonna did an 11 year stretch for narcotics starting when he was about 24 years old. He got a 30 year sentence in 76' for narcotics again and served 20 years. I've never read anything about him getting done for a murder. Also the time frame doesn't allow for Madonna to serve a 30 year sentence for murder.

That's what I thought - it was all narcotics...but she said it exactly as I quoted it. So, I'm guessing it was a state charge. Harder to get hands on that stuff. However, amazing how deep into the well they did for BS.

Also if anyone is interested, you can listen to the story over at Ruckus Radio here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViU0Mw9SQT4

What an absolute mockery of justice. And the crooked Feds keep pushing to the media about the laughable fake "escape" attempt Londonio was supposedly masterminding....even though he was acquitted of it. Just a freakin joke and I have no respect for our current DoJ.


FREE Matty Madonna, The Creas, Chris Londonio and Ghost Dogg Caldwell.

IIRC Nicky Barnes mentioned in his book that he became friends with Madonna while Madonna was in prison for murdering a rival drug dealer.

Thanks for the summary NYMafia

Now I don't know what to think. All sources I've come across say he did 11 years for narcotics (24-35 years old) and that is why he didn't get made after he got out, even though he was pulling in mad cash, they couldn't induct a convicted drug dealer because dealing was officially banned and it wouldn't send a good message to other family members and associates. It's like giving a guy his button for breaking the rules. Not a good look.

If the murder conviction is true (and it's looking that way), that means he did 15 years in prison, got out and started dealing H with Barnes for 5 years, then back in the can for 20. Fuck he did a lot of time.

Skimming over Barnes' book again. He says that he (Barnes) was picking up packages of heroin from Italians and met Frank Madonna, who introduced him to his brother Matty Madonna. A few weeks afterwards Matty Madonna killed another drug dealer. Barnes puts the date at 1954 a few pages later. Later on he ran into Matty Madonna in prison "doin twenty on his murder charge".

Found this too:
"Madonna...had been convicted of a narcotics-related murder at the age of 19" Looks like he was out by 1969.

Don't let facts get in the way of this fantasy that Madonna was railroaded by the federal government. He is clearly someone who is more useful outside of prison than in. He's a successful pharmaceutical entrepreneur who is only being targeted because he's Italian.

I love how you buy what his defense lawyer was selling straight away with no question.

Where was your righteous indignation when this happened?

https://nypost.com/2018/07/31/mobster-who-claims-jail-food-is-killing-him-scarfs-down-hot-dog/

Dude ate a hot dog? I think it’s great he told the feds he had issues with the jail food and then they let him out and he scarfs down a hot dog right in front of the cameras. Fuck the feds after all the bullshit they pull it’s great to see one of these guys get over on them and then rub it in their face

You're just annoyed they can't rig juries anymore or intimidate witnesses like they did up until the late-eighties. The playing field has been levelled.

But you're okay with buying into what the government says with no question - even though the overwhelming evidence is that the government was over the top shady in this case. Lied at pretrial. Lied during trial. Lied during sentencing and amazingly (but I shouldn't be surprised) lied in sentencing reports for the very informants that lied on the stand to put these guys away. In fact, in one sentencing report I just got my hands on for one of these informants - what the government wrote in its letter totally contradicts what this guy said on the stand. I'll be writing about that one shortly.

Was the govt shady yes,did the govt bend and break the law prolly but everyone is glossing over the fact Madonna is a murderer. How many fathers did he separate from they’re kids forever ..everyone knows right that the fbis confidential informants,the ones who give secret background info but don’t testify in court. Are the ones telling the feds Madonna and crea has meldish murdered...not to mention the heroin scourge he laid on the city for 30 years..as someone that has a girlfriend that has went through the opioid crisis ,Madonna deserves every day he gets. And I’m no govt supporter especially when it comes to corruption but Madonna especially deserves what he gets. When he got out in 95 he wasn’t made yet ,he could have chosen to walk away..but instead he jumped right back in the gangster life..he’s not a fucking businessman. He’s a fucking gangster

Steven Crea is innocent of Meldish's murder. And probably so is Madonna and the others. Read the proof on that in the article I wrote or at guiltfortheguiltless.com.

And with all due respect, if you feel that strongly, why are you a member of a group devoted to organized crime?

People can be interested in organized crime. It doesn't mean they have to worship Lucky Luciano and John Gotti.

People are interested in serial killers, as you can see with the oversaturation of shows based around Ted Bundy, it doesn't mean they like them.

Madonna is a killer and drug pusher and Steven Crea is no better. They are not people worth defending. They made their bed with the path in life that they chose.

It's not evidence. It's just the way you're interpreting it.

You'd swear people like Bruce Cutler, Gerald Shargel and Robert Simone are pure as the driven snow.

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This is a forum to DISCUSS organized crime and everyone’s interest or experience w it...I didn’t know this was a forum DEVOTED to organized crime ..the only people I thought that were DEVOTED to organized crime were MEMBERS of Cosa Nostra And I didn’t say crea or lodinio , I said Madonna and his heroin plague. The same people pushing for blm are the same people defending Madonna. Hate to tell you but Matty helped destroy blacks for 30 years

The only person that got screwed in this is lodinio but he chose to be screwed because he could flip and not do a day but he’s chosen to stand by his principles which I respect but if you wanna stand by your principles then this is the price you pay

Just to be clear, black lives matter ( BLM ) is a complete fraud and a complete joke. The mafia doesnt have to kill blacks with heroin, the blacks do a great job of killing one another. They dont need any extra help.

Really? The evidence is black and white. You should educate yourself instead of stalking the social media accounts of people related to people you apparently abhor.

If the shoe fits ..this is true..a bunch of Marxist’s scum .they should be called only some black lives matter

Thats funny because I can say the same thing with you and the prosecution. And the feds/DoJ NEVERRRR played dirty, right?

I mean we can tell from your name, the internal affairs character from copland that you hate anyone who isn't a flag salutin mother#$%^&* to quote Paulie Walnuts. Or like when a recent mafiosi died and you posted saying you were happy about it. Just because they work for the government does not make them the "good" guys.

And in the end, what the fuck did Matty really accomplish in his life? He spent his entire adult life pretty much behind bars. And now it looks like he'll die in a cell like a dog. It's too bad. After all that time in the clink, he should have gotten out, got made, and kept low key instead of pressing and falling again (several time I might add).

Too bad!

Yeah but they were 100% pure beef Hebrew Nationals!.... if you've ever eaten a good NY water dog then you understand!

He is going to go down as a true mans man. A guy who made millions dealing smack and became street boss for a pretty decent run. And I guarantee even though he may die in a cell his family will be taken carebof for a couple generations. I respect guys like Matty Madonna, Frank Locascio, Vinny Basciano, Bruno Indelicato and Vic Amuso and look down on scum like Gravano, Leonetti, D'arco and that nobody Alite.

THAT I totally agree with you on. RATS are the true scum of this world. Regardless of what they may be ratting about. A RAT IS A RAT! And good for nothing except to save their own asses by throwing other people under the bus.

Be a fucking man and go do your time if you fall. You DO NOT become a snitch. That's the true sign of a weasel! Plain and simple.

I was just acknowledging that Madonna served WAY too much time in the joint. He is NOT wealthy as you'd like to believe. He made some big money, but he only made it for several years. After 30 years in the can he came out broke!! And that's a fact!

As I stated he should have gotten his button (he deserved it). And just laid low, bookmaking, shylocking, fuck around with a few other things. It they wanna make him a skipper and give him a few guys to earn off of, that would have been Great! But stay the F off the grid.... he essentially ruined himself.

He should have NEVER, EVER have stepped up. He did it as a favor to Vic....it was Altruistic, but a big mistake (obviously).

Matty has served over 40 years in jail. He's gonna do a lot more before its all over too! For me?? That is not a smart guy.
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PS: one more fallacy I'd like to clear up. NOBODY, NOBODY..... I'll say it again, NOBODY is gonna feed him or his family for a year, let alone for the next several generations. That's a bullshit fantasy perpetuated by Mafia myth. They didn't do it sixty years ago. And they sure ain't doing it today!!

If he's got a single friend or two who wants give him a little help. Maybe he'll get a few dollars. But big money? NO WAY! and for years? REALLY NO WAY!

not to mention after you have been in a shithole like the mcc for a year....a real hot dog is like the best thing since apple pie

You ain't kidding Louie! lol..... it's like Filet Mignon!

I never said that the family was going to take care of HIS family. I clearly said the money he made during his criminal run WILL be enough to take care of his family for a while. He was a big H dealer and was the street/acting boss for what, a little under a decade? Joe DeFede, a brokester who had Madonnas position testified he made 250k a year as acting boss. A much better money maker like Madonna easily made double if not triple that. There is no way that Madonna isn't leaving at least 4-5 mil for his kids/grandkids. And as long as they live within their means that will take care of not only his kids but his kids kids for their entire lives.

Like do you not realize the reason he supposedly killed Meldish was that Meldish refused to pay back 100k that Madonna himself floated him? You think a guy would just lend out 100k if he himself wasn't a multi millionaire? No.

Barnes must have it wrong. Madonna must have served only 15 years in prison, not 20 years. Because the timeline will be all wrong if it was 20 years in prison.

19 years old - 34 years old - 15 years in prison

34 years old - 40 years old - On the streets dealing with Barnes

40 years old - 60 years old - 20 years in prison

60 years old (1995) Released from prison

63 years old (1998) Inducted into the Lucchese family

66 years old (2001) Promoted to capo

67 years old (2002) Sent back to prison for 18 months for a parole violation.

68 years old (2003) Released from prison

He did another prison stretch but I don't know what for and I don't know the dates, but it was 3 years or less.

77 years old (2012) Promoted to Acting boss

80 years old (2015) Back in prison held without bail

82 years old (2017) Forced to step down as Acting boss

84 years old (2020) Died from natural causes in prison

Opps!! I got carried away with this post.

I would assume modonna made 5-10 million a year between the bookmaking in new jersey,the bookmaking in new york, the labor schemes and the bribes paid to inspectors..Madonna made millions and that 250k wasnt what he made it was the money from the garment center thats been misquoted a million times....its organized crime the drugs they sell alone bring millions,not to mention the money steve crea turned in..Crea loaned Randy Silverstein 1.2 million in 2014 alone and he was the UNDERBOSS Not the boss

Walk away to what?

He was 60 years old and just finished a 20 year bid. He'd spent 35 years of the last 40 years in prison. His rap sheet included murder and narcotics trafficking. This guy ain't getting a job at Disneyland, I can tell you that much.

NEW YORK -- Joseph...
WWD Staff




BAIL HEARING SET FOR TODAY FOR DEFEDE IN GARMENT CENTER EXTORTION CASE

NEW YORK — Joseph (Little Joe) Defede, the alleged acting boss of the Luchese crime family, who was charged Tuesday along with 11 other men with extortion of garment firms, has a date in court today.
Defede is scheduled to appear at 2 p.m. in Magistrate’s Court for a detention hearing. A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s office said Defede’s attorney will probably ask the court to release Defede on bail, “and we will oppose.”
“The other defendants have either posted bail or are expected to post bail,” the spokesman said.
As reported, Daniel Rizzo, Michael Vuolo, Oscar (Little O) Ansourian, Sidney Lieberman, Irwin Schlacter and John Munro are charged with racketeering in an indictment that was unsealed on Tuesday.
The indictment charges the defendants with committing nine separate acts from 1991 to 1996 on behalf of the Luchese crime family involving extortion of legitimate garment center businesses.
The U.S. Attorney claims mobsters extorted $2.5 million, or an average of $360,000 to $480,000 a year.

Matthew Madonna is not dead. That was a fake rumor posted in April saying he died from COVID-19 which is false. Madonna is still alive.

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Matthew Madonna is not dead. That was a fake rumor posted in April saying he died from COVID-19 which is false. Madonna is still alive.[/quote]

No shit!!? I'm shocked

yeah no shit i didnt say disney land i said walk away he could have opened a gambling site..he could have stuck to shylocking...he wanted to be the boss

Neo, he didn't die in prison. Unless they just sentenced a ghost and I heard a ghost make a statement during sentencing. He had Covid and recovered.

The two racketeering and extortion indictments filed by Federal prosecutors charged the reputed acting Lucchese crime boss, Joseph A. DeFede, 64, of Howard Beach, with directing the garment district schemes. At least $30,000 to $40,000 a month, or a total of about $2.5 million, was extorted from garment makers as well as sewing, cutting and dye plants, prosecutors said.

Yeah Louiebynochi just pointed that out to me.

DeFede only made $250,000 per year (excluding his own rackets) from his position as acting boss.

Yep and that was in the mid 90s when the family was decimated after numerous guys flipping and top talent being sent away. Madonna wasn't a brokester like DeFede. And who is really thumbing their nose at 250k a year in the mid 90s? Like thats some small amount hahaha. Even in 2020 250k a year is a fortune and over 4 times the amoung what the average American Household makes.






https://nypost.com/2003/01/22/crime-pays-lousy-mobster-laments-his-250g-a-year/




"Heading up a crime family is not nearly as lucrative a job as it’s cracked up to be, a mob turncoat said yesterday.

Joseph “Little Joe” Defede – testifying at the racketeering trial of Peter Gotti – said he earned only $1,014,000 as boss of the Luchese crime family from 1994 to 1998.

The approximately $250,000 a year doesn’t come close to what a corporate CEO – even an honest one – earns."

"Speaking of money matters, Defede said the total take of the approximately 100-member Luchese family over the four years he headed it was about $6 million.

After Defede’s $1 million cut, a lower-ranking mobster would average only about $50,000 a year, if Defede’s figures are accurate.

Defede broke down his quarter-million-dollar-a-year take as follows: a salary of about $60,000 a year, plus $50,000 bonuses every three months.

The money, he said, was brought to him in paper bags delivered in the bathrooms of various diners."




So from 94-98 , a brokester was able to make 250 grand a year as street boss/acting boss. This was right after the windows case and the Gaspipe and Amuso street reign where informants and murder was happening left and right. Amuso purposely put a brokester in that spot since he assumed after he put Al D'arco in who was stealing he figured if he put in a guy who never came close to that much money a year he wouldn't have to worry. And remember, 250k in the mid 90s is way more now. In fact, 250k in 1995 is equal to 382k in 2013. So yeah, anyone who thinks Matty Madonna, big time earner wasn't a multi millionaire from being acting boss is out to lunch.

382k for even 5 years is nearly 2 million. And I know Madonna was making more then what DeFede was overseeing the family, so what I said was all true. Madonna has millions, he had enough to lend 100 grand to Meldish and has millions in cash left for his family. Thats why he took the job. He was already old when he was made, let alone when he became capo and then acting boss. Over 15 years on the street as a Capo and Acting Boss...yeah his family is going to be just fine for a long time.


Yeah I mean obviously he isn't leaving his family the kind of money that Carlo Gambino, Tommy Lucchese, Chin or Bonanno left theirs with but it is definitely far more then what 98% of this country will leave theirs.

I mean they did wanna bring in a ghost as a prosecution witness

Gravano had it hard though. Gotti ordered Gravano to take the fall for the murders. Gotti told Gravano: "I'm the boss and the Gambino family needs me out on the street" and he also egotistically told Gravano: "Cosa Nostra needs John Gotti".

Everyone has got a breaking point and for Gravano it was when he was ordered to take the fall for the murders.

Sammy Gravano only cares about Sammy Gravano. He had people killed just so he could make more money . Sammy didn't flip because of what Gotti supposedly said, to pleas guilty so Gotti could walk (even an arrogant prick like Gotti knew he was not getting out of this one) Gravano flipped because he cared about Sammy Gravano first and foremost. He blames Gotti, the "new age mafiosi" and dyslexia on why he became a gangster and flipped. He is simply self serving.

The only people on Gravanos level in terms of scumminess are Joe Massino, Anthony Casso, Phil Leonetti, Ralph Natale, and maybe a few others. Any mafiosi who held a top 3 spot who flipped is pure trash. Makes me sick they let guys like Joe Massino and Sammy Gravano walk the streets at the end of the day. Hell, the guy who probably helped just as much if not more then those 2, Anthony Casso got double crossed by the feds because they didn't like when he fingered dirty FBI and Gravano for lying about the # of murders and that he was a major drug dealer. Casso at least held no bones about it, he said he flipped because he wanted to hit the street again and was selfish. He didn't lie and make up a reason.

Gravano is indeed very self-serving, but he didn't flip straight away, he needed a bit of a push from Gotti.

For most of the trial Gotti always believed he would win the case, he tried to pretend that Sammy went rogue and started ordering hits on his own, he rubbished the wiretapped convo's as shit talk. Despite the mountain of evidence, Gotti still believed he could win........until Sammy flipped.