Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .

Guilt for the Guiltless: The Story of Steven Crea, the Murder of Michael Meldish and Other Tales

An in-depth look into the case of Steven L. Crea and how the government wrongly won a conviction against an innocent man for a murder he didn't commit, participate in, or have any knowledge about.

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/steven-crea-innocent-meldish-murder/

Halfway through the article. This is all normal tactics for LE in England. This happened to someone close to me who had nothing to do with a murder case. The guy had NO criminal record and was middle aged. They painted him out to be a top gangster, they threw labels such as OCGs, they had NO evidence. The way they used the media was something I couldn’t believe. Reading that article gets me angry as I relive the hell we went through. Just as the trial was coming to an end this guys cell was raided (for the first time in the time he was inside.) the cell mate was told to take a walk and the place was ransacked. Obviously retrieved the bugs. They knew for a fact that he had nothing to do with the case. They listened to the man crying for over a year as he lost his job reputation sanity health financial standing and still refused to drop the case. It goes wayyyy deeper with even worse illegal tactics used by LE but I don’t want to say anything specific to the case.

Anyway - anyone who doesn’t believe this stuff happens it happens all the time. I’ve seen and felt it personally and if they decide to go for you, you lose everything, even if you get the not guilty verdict. If you help their narrative with other codefendants you are collateral damage also.

I have family in lower level law enforcement and genuinely thought that you couldn’t be convicted without evidence. I thought that all this BS about LE acting badly was blown out of proportion. Now I know better. What scares me is the amount of innocent people of low IQs who are serving time due to loose connections with a case. Not to move it to a race thing but there must be a load of Ethnic minorities in the US serving time on dodgy charges because there is a hell of a lot in the UK. The way they used race in this case was insane. I know this case inside out and the levels of racism used by police was shocking. A clever but all white jury returned a not guilty in an hour. The judge called for an investigation into the polices tactics. In England we call those murder detectives Disgusting c*nts. Rant over

Great article by the way NY Mafia. Great amount of detail and the timeline. So good it stirs up horrible memories for me!

Exactly I said in a thread about a month ago the case against them was thin and a few people disagreed. Like it’s unfathomable the feds use bs tactics to end people’s lives and make up the rules as they go. Everyone is supposed to be ok with it because of how someone makes a living when the biggest criminal organization is the world is the US government. Blows my mind how blind some people can be, they’ll let the feds piss on them and tell them it’s rain.

LE and tunnel vision. The two go together like a horse and carriage.

I'm amazed people are taking that seriously. Can you at least make an attempt not to editorialise and rant?

Imagine if you put what you have to good use instead of ranting about LE like a crazy person and defending criminals.

Is this aimed at me Moe? Don’t think it is I haven’t defended any criminals above and the only rant is the final sentence of the post. The rest of it is a genuine contribution based on my own experiences and facts.

Wasn't aimed at you. Was aimed at the writer of the original article. It's a well-written piece but clearly has an agenda, which is made abundantly clear from the first paragraph. Which is ironic, considering the accusations made towards someone like Jerry Capeci who has worked in journalism for over 40 years.

This is from Dominick Crea who requested membership into this forum but is still waiting on approval. He chose to respond and if you'd like to continue the dialogue you can email him directly.

"Mr. Moe Tilden,

My name is Dominick Crea, I am the Son of Steven L. Crea. Normally I avoid these forums, however I had to respond to your telling comment. As opposed to digest the article that is supported with Factual information, motions, trial minutes and indisputable actions you shift focus to attack the journalist. It is obvious you have the mentality that if someone holds an alleged title they are guilty and should be found guilty regardless of the factual evidence. The writer of the article is outraged by the unjust acts and outright broken system that has been on full display. After taking the time to understand the entire case the conclusion of the author was reached based on evidence, practices, tactics, testimony, arguments and documentation. Since the journalist was outraged and incensed at the collapse of the justice system and the constitutional right that all defendants should receive a fair trial, you spin that to an all-encompassing statement of “defending criminals.” As my initial sentence observes that action is quite telling. It appears in your eyes, the ends justifies the means and regardless if a person is innocent of the charged offenses they need to be found guilty based on accusations. Not proving a case, but accusations, hearsay, misrepresentations, and false statements. That is not how the Justice System is supposed to work, however due to those who have a similar philosophy as you that is how it does work. Problem is, that is not constitutional and not how the system was designed. That alone should concern an open-minded, fair, reasonable person. Attacking the investigative journalist is an extreme Tell of where you are coming from simply because they were angered by witnessing a person innocent of charges receive a conviction. Very disturbing you choose to promote the mentality of guilty till proven innocent, guilt by allegations, and Ends justify means regardless of evidence and factual information. You can spin the article however you wish and make it a “protecting criminals” narrative, but any person who possesses common sense will understand that is not the case. It is a shame that rather than focus on the facts, and determine the flaws in the system you ignore that and exploit a made up angle of Criminals versus Law enforcement. That is not the debate. The issue is LE who act in a manner that is not to serve justice. If someone is guilty, let the facts tell the story, don’t invent things, don’t mislead, don’t create narratives. Present the case, follow the rules and take part in a fair proceeding. Your comments have proven that my words will fall on deaf ears, but my purpose is not to change your mind. My purpose is to point out the obvious angle and storyline you are looking create distracting from the reality, whereas an individual has taken the time to investigate a case and conclude a tremendous injustice has occurred and therefore are outraged as a citizen of the United States who believes in the principles of Justice outlined by our forefathers."

Do you live in America Moe? Someone who hasn’t dealt with LE here in the US and isn’t aware they are more criminal then the criminals most of the time really shouldn’t defend them every step of the way. Is it an an anomaly that we have more people in jail then any other country? Even tho our poverty rates aren’t bad. Maybe in Europe LE should be praised and defended but here in the USA the criminal justice system is a capitalist machine, so a lot of if don’t share your love for LE and the government because we know people who are “criminals” for running a lottery or taking bets or selling substances and have done years and years in jail for it and then watched the same people who put them in jail do the same “crime” and make money off of it. And don’t give me shit about praising murderers as the US government has a higher body count the all OC groups combined

Boy you're naive asf!

While I agree that he rants too much, especially against Capeci, he is right to rant against the law (the cops all the way up to the DA). But you don't live here in the States so you don't have a fucking clue how dirty they can get.

And yet here you are, telling us how all of LE are ALL honorable and just putting away the real crooks. They would never do anything dirty and put away not one single innocent person. If you hate crooks and gangsters that bad, why are you here in thread after thread crying about it? Why not go post on pigsareus.com where you can get that pat on the back you so desperately want? GTFOH!

Largest street gang in the world = Cops 👮‍♀️ 👮 🚓

I've known guys getting indicted on relatively minor drug offenses and after they got out they had to pay more money to the state than they earned from their pastime drug activity. It's a honest to goodness shakedown. You do the crime you do the time, I agree, but the ways of LE at times are extortionate. There's no other word for it.

And I'm over here in a flaccid Westen European country so I can't imagine how much worse they must be in the States.

What is Steven Crea's profession?

This kind of attitude started with John Gotti and continued with his son when he was on trial. You would swear John Gotti didn't buy someone on the jury twice in separate trials on top of intimidating witnesses.

Now that it's no longer possible to do this and mob lawyers can no longer form part of the enterprise like Roy Cohn, they have to change tack.

I'm aware people get railroaded (look at the amount of black guys who can't afford good lawyers filling space in prison) but members of LCN are rock bottom of the list of people I feel any sympathy for.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Such squirrelly attempts to avoid prison, and short enough sentences in the grand scheme of things, is unbecoming. What happened to doing your time like a man.

Long before this case, someone on the forum said Steven Crea's son was not in LCN. If Crea Jr. got convicted despite not being in LCN then, I agree, it is up there with the biggest miscarriages of justice. But as it stands, I will just look at this as more disinformation.

It's good, though. It's more convincing than what Jeff Canarsie does.

Crea's son was not convicted. He took a plea bargain and did NOT PLEAD GUILTY to the murder which is why he got an additional three years. he refused to plead guilty to something he had nothing to do with.

The only disinformation here is people like you who refuse to look at the facts.

For all intents and purposes he admitted to being LCN (remember when that was frowned upon?) And aside from murder, they always plead out now. Nothing unique there.

You're playing fast and loose and interpreting them in a very select way, in fairness. We have a difference of opinion, and that's fine, but I'm just replying to something, not disseminating.

Well Moe Tilden. You are wrong again. Crea's son did not plea to being part of lcn You should pay for the docket pull the plea and get your facts straight. Another lie.

A quick perusal of the site shows it's not even just the police who are the target of your ire. It's the police, lawyers, rats, and more besides. Classic deflection.

But as I said, it's well-written if you are already going into it with preconceived notions.

If I'm a journalist and follow one sports team and hate another, I have to at least attempt to be balanced if I'm writing about them.

Response from Dominick Crea to all of the previous. He's still waiting on approval:

"I don’t know, maybe it is the impact of the times, having restrictions based on quarantine, but I find myself having to address you yet again. It is extremely obvious you are trying to get a rise by making your backhanded sarcastic remarks. I must tell you, your actions are mute. As stated repeatedly I am not responding to convince you of anything and or gain “sympathy”. You are using the typical and predictable tactic of deflection to attempt to switch the momentum of logic in your favor. Your baseless rebuttals are irrelevant to say the least. As previously stated the purpose of my intrusion was to simply point out when this case is analyzed, facts understood, arguments weighed, testimony heard, no evidence existed tying my father to any of the charges. That is not an opinion that is a statement which is supported by fact as recorded in transcripts, minutes and motions. Again, before offering your “matter of fact” opinions you should educate yourself on a topic. I must say I find it quite Ironic that someone who apparently hates individuals who have the label “gangster” as reflected in the forum domain, your profile is confusing. You have an avatar of an actor, who plays gangsters, you have been a member since 2013, seven years serving as a groupie of a topic you have disdain for. Extremely puzzling. In addition you utilize this tag line “I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.” To portray a stereotypical response from what one would guess an alleged member of a secret society would say in court. It truly makes one think what is your motive for the participation as a groupie? Something to ponder. You spit out lots of inaccuracies and “google” based information without any supportive fact and pass it off as gospel. Your agenda is clear, your reasoning to participate in this group is extremely transparent. I am sure I am not the only one who has it figured out. I also find it amusing you make a nonsensical statement “If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Such squirrelly attempts to avoid prison, and short enough sentences in the grand scheme of things, is unbecoming. What happened to doing your time like a man?” Few notations to that absurdity: 1. the exact point of the article is the fact that the crimes charged were not committed. It appears that elementary point is not being grasped by you. 2, again you try and use words to antagonize and goat, however one’s IQ must be subpar to fall for such an immature tactic. The reality is the scale of a man coming from someone of your caliber is not measurable. It is meaningless, holds no value and is a reflection of the person making the statement. Therefore, that gauge of assessment is substandard. My values and beliefs don’t allow for someone to “do the time” when they are innocent of the charges. My values suggest to fight for a person’s rights, show the truth and be judged based on evidence and factual basis. Not judged and punished based on being framed, set up, targeted, whichever term you wish to use to explain a wrongful conviction You continue to deflect and try and twist the debate to LE versus criminals when you are the only one who sees that as the argument or topic. The issue is Justice Versus Injustice. Truth versus Lies. Fact versus Fiction. However, to see it for what it is would be too logical for your comprehension so you wish to make it more of a personal conversation. If and when I get approval I will gladly finish my back and forth with you as you seem to relish in deflection, insults, irrelevant, and inaccurate statements. Predictably, you will rebut this with additional hostile remarks, comments to get a rise, whatever you can to deflect. I will no longer Burden this user by asking her to post my response so feel free to have a field day, hiding under a fictitious name so you need not stand by the words you spew. You know my name, my company, my information. I have nothing to hide and I stand behind all I speak, both in written word and in person. Now have at it and respond with the habitual argumentative, agenda filled remarks you repeatedly make."

Balance? Surely you jest. There is no balance in any reporting. Was Capeci balanced? Was any of the news media stories about this balanced? At least I present both sides. And the only preconceived notions are those the government want you to believe through their narrative which the media hungrily gobbles up.

And Target? So are you saying none of these men are targets of the government? And are you also saying that the truth shouldn't be exposed for what it is? Rats are not these upstanding citizens everyone seems to think they and what they try to push with their bullshit podcasts and books. Take a look at their background and see them for what they really are...in fact, read about spinelli in this story and see how the government lied for him and about him just so they could get their "guy."

That's nothing new around here. Now he'll run and snitch to get us banned, you watch.

And yes Gotti was guilty Moe, you've never seen me say otherwise. But it's a KNOWN FACT you know jackshit of what goes on here. So go back to stalking for pics on Facebook and Pinterest

A fair conviction is fair enough and LE should be commended for winning it.

However a conviction that makes no sense, where the story changes, no actual proof, conflicting witnesses who change their stories to fit the narrative, Questionable, if not illegal tactics used by LE and NO EVIDENCE is nothing to stand up for.

Also a murder rap?!! We ain’t talking about a gambling rap this is a murder rap. IMO and I hope any logical upstanding member of society would also feel that proof should be provided beyond a reasonable doubt with no dodgy tactics. All this changing courts, changing judges, witnesses being coaxed into multiple stories, threatening death penalty (can’t do this one in UK), spreading rat rumours about a guy in jail waiting for his trial endangering him in jail, using the media to paint someone as guilty before trial - all of these tactics should be illegal.

I don’t need to insult anyone but if you don’t agree with the above, then you don’t believe in justice and I hope for your sake that the finger is never pointed in your direction or anyone close to you.

^ agree. If you can't prove something with factual evidence, you can't prove it at all and there shouldn't be a conviction without proof. Hearsay and imaginary narratives should never be filed as factual evidence.

Although I believe strongly that serious criminals deserve jail time, I don't want to see any innocent person get jammed up.

So I read it here's my thoughts... whatever that law is where if your part of a organization and there's a murder your guilty to is crazy. That is just to broad. Why aren't the other 100 luchese members guilty of the murder to. Why they charged Steve creas son then dropped it but not against the father when there first theory was dad passed the order to the son weird. I didnt like the capeci bashing but then I found out later a women wrote it so idk i just thought it was a dude. Lot of them mafia guys reach out to capeci to clear shit up if you've read him for a long time. Madonna orderd the hit but I dont think it makes crea guilty and the cast of turncoats was the lowest I've ever read about in a rico trial no wonder they took it out of the NYC federal courts eastern or southern those judges seen to many mafia cases those witnesses wouldn't hold up

Here's the cliffsnotes board members if you dont want to read the 26pages it's long. Vic amuso shelved sal avellino. Hes got out in 2006 but was shelved probaly had to do with him taking the stand in one of his indictments and flat out telling the judge yaeh I'm in the mafia but I'm retired no where in my oath did I say to tony ducks I can never retire. Ect. It worked the judge only tact on a few years. That guy did alot of shit. So in 2012 vic sends a letter with one of the witnesses from prison telling madonna to let sal back into the family for 4 million bucks and they all should devide it. Will never know if he paid the money but his brother carmine was indicted as a capo in 2016 for loaning out 100k to someone. Those dudes make money

I'm thinking perhaps they charged the son to pressure the dad to confess and/or take a plea bargain? Don't get me wrong, if the older Crea did order the hit (who knows if he did or not) then he is complicit in it. But maybe the killing was not Lucchese family business? At any rate, it's not right to charge the son unless they have actual evidence he was in on it.

How they got convictions without a actual guy on the murder is crazy. Steve crea never talked to anyone about this guys murder. Purposely he owed madonna 100k. I see how he gets convicted by with crea because hes the underboss means every vice president of a outlaw motorcycle club must be guilty of murders the president tasked you get what I'm saying. In the end the Gov bent the rules but they got the W.

What does a woman have to do with anything? I wrote it based on facts.

I dont know I guessed it was a guy who wrote the article but somewhere towards the end you said you are a women. I dont know what the fuck my point was or where it was going sorreyy.

Well said,Dominick Crea.Law Enforcement uses more than just questionable tactics they are well above the law

J.c. fingerprints is all over this article

Thanks for writing this very informative article. When the trial started I was very interested to see how they tied the Meldish murder to Crea and Madonna. But weeks went by and all I read about were liars and screw-ups by the government. When they were convicted I just figured I missed something. You’ve shown that there was no evidence connecting them to the murder and not only that there was even evidence that it had nothing to do with them.

However, you do seem to take it one step further and imply that Crea et al have nothing to do with organized crime and that the government is targeting them for no reason. I have to ask, do you believe Steven L Crea is a totally legitimate citizen who isn’t a member of the mob?

I did not even focus on that. My focus was on the trial and the person being targeted - Crea - without supportive evidence. End of story. I am not digging into whether or not I believe someone is a member of a secret society which in itself is not a crime. A person would have to be caught committing illegal acts to be charged and as far as Crea is concerned that was not the case. No evidence tied him to the charged criminal acts.

The purpose of my story was not to identify memberships. It was simply to compare evidence versus charges and regardless of membership or not, in this country, you should be charged based on crimes committed not based on manufactured charges.

Another incredibly written, very well researched and informative article. Harvard Professor, and attorney Alan Dershowitz recently wrote a book titled 'Guilt By Accusation,' and in many ways his argument for the lack of fairness in both the media and Judicial system can be applied here. Unfortunate on all ends, and doesn't make society better for anyone. Perhaps Crea's attorneys will consult with Dershowitz for his appeal.

Did the guy foti testify?? He had some tapes if I remember reading think his brother was a luchese member from the bronx. I say that just because I think he would be closer to the situation then maybe some of the other turncoats and his age

He did. And he contradicted some of the stuff other informants said. Plus he was the one who brought up Londonio's uncle. I just didn't add that portion in. Was going to. Just never got back around to it.

All the informants contradicted each other basically.

His testimony mostly focused on Londonio. He said Londonio was made before the Meldish murder and another informant said it was after.

Sorry for the multiple posts. It's early still. But Foti had no relevance to Crea. The only two points as it relates to what I talked about is what I said above. He never spoke about or knew Crea. Like I said, his testimony was focused on Londonio

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so with the hit order in 2017 i would think that crea and his son r on the shelf/demoted no
michael de santis is the new ab 2017-
how does crea continue as ub while in jail on top of amuso not wanting him in that position???
would the assumed admin be permanent patrick del lorrusso ub and andrew desimone consigliere.

also there appears to be no faction inside the luccheses' that wants to take control.
amuso has no strong connections to any other family.
i recognize the tradition involved but if someone wanted to take control of the lucchese why do they continue to respect amuso in jail for LIFE.

Read Joseph Massino's court testimony. Bosses order murders. People like Meldish don't get murdered without approval from the leaders in the organisation. I have a cursory grasp of how RICO works and even I fucking get it.

I wonder what OP's opinion of this is. Does he think this corrupt cop should've been punished or is he one of the good ones because his corruption was benefiting the mob?

https://i.redd.it/c8lnq4ceff151.jpg

"MOE" it is very clear your position on this and how you feel evidence and facts of the case should have little impact on someone's level of guilt. So by your logic, jurors should skip all the lack of evidence, conflicting testimonies and convict based on a separate case's testimony from a witness? It is interesting to say the least your thought process and logic. Again, people with your mindset need not have the law and proceedings take place therefore a trial should not exist in the first place. Again, extremely telling argument and opinion. Bottom line is, a situation such as this does not appeal to your train of thought as the entire Justice system should be bypassed, arguments are mute and conviction should be made based on past theories and statements in general as opposed to factual information supported by, discovery and testimony displayed pre and during trial. That is your view and you are entitled to it. As I said no one is here to convince one side one way or another. The purpose of the journalist was to lay out the FACTS and have OPEN-MINDED, unbiased people review and digest.

From an FBI report. Get your facts straight

And seriously...your "source" of information is a news media report? See above for official documented evidence.

In addition here are two snippets from Gravano's 2018 affidavit regarding Frank Locascio which supports the above...

First of all, I'm on record as saying that Frank Locascio is the one guy who was hard done by on sentencing. I saw that FBI Report on reddit and it doesn't change my stance on that one bit. He should've went to prison but he also have been released by now. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Second of all, #7 is the real smoking gun regarding this. What's quoted doesn't really prove anything one way or other unless the tape is released.

Sammy is a complete sociopath. I don't think he's taking this stance re: Locascio out of the goodness of his heart, or because he's had a change in conscience. I think he's doing it because he's angry at the government for sending him away for 17 years back in 2000. Even though it was his own fault and he ruined his second chance at freedom.

Before the 2000 case Sammy had a completely different take on Locascio and seemed indifferent, even amused, about his fortunes (or lack thereof). He wasn't pleading Locascio's innocence then, even though he had the platform

Again, why the sudden change of heart?

Obviously it’s clear the feds were dogshi* on this case and Steve crea shouldn’t be in on a murder charge. From everything I read their case is weak and stinks. Their witnesses contradict each other and/or are changing their stories at will, the judge seems biased, they moved it to a friendly court, moved it to a friendly judge. It’s just typical tactics as a prosecutor grows he/her career they have to get a decent BS mob case under their belt on their hunt for either political or private practice $ aspirations etc. Let’s not get it twisted it’s all a hustle. You think the lines weren’t blurred (right/wrong) in their conduct in this case you’re dreaming.

However it seems likely Madonna was an integral part of this hit? Thoughts anyone? Imagine the mindset of an 80something year old ordering hits?! Maybe they had some old beef from back in their babanya days. But weren’t Madonna in jail from 70s and was older then meldish by circa 20 yrs?

Also I read about that escape charge on londonio. Whichever prosecutor allowed that charge to be thrown in based on that witness needs slapping lol. They just threw mud at the wall with that one haha.

And that charge about some guys driving up to a house to do a hit and it never happening. The amount of proof on that is so minimal. Same with that lucchese guy who looked up some old rat (riggi cokehead in law who ran off with a stripper lol) he is serving some serious time on minimal evidence. As if that guy was gonna hit some old rat and get a death penalty charge, cmon. Guy shooting off steam because he got robbed hard.

If every thought and idle conversation was brought up against all of us like they have done and framed it in a sensational way we could put half of the world in jail haha.

What about the reality star Pedo witness (Zocchillio?) who was told to start dropping names into situations and conversations. He ain’t never met the creas lol. It’s all he told him who told him who told me.

Anyway that was my take. Laughable a lot of it but obviously not for the guys who got burnt and the actual heinous crime that was committed - the murder of meldish. Everyone has family, whether it’s the victims or wrongfully convicteds.

Crea is 1000% innocent. And it is revolting what the government is allowed to get away with. Londonio pure lunacy. Thanks for reading!!

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/steven-crea-innocent-meldish-murder/9/

To me this is the most compelling and frustrating part. There was wiretap evidence indicating that the word on the street was that another family was behind the killing of Meldish (do we know which one?) but the jury wasn't allowed to hear it. Baffling.

That means that even if one believes Crea was the underboss and in that role he was privy to all Lucchese family murder plots, the killing of Meldish wasn't actually carried out by the Luccheses.

There was a lot of information the jury didn't hear. And somewhere, I think when I talk about them trying to get Otto on the stand, the FBI didn't follow up on those leads regarding the other two families. So, there's a whole slew of things. In addition, one of my favorites is that these wired-up informants can record stuff but the jury isn't allowed to take what they said four years ago as truth...only their interpretation of it NOW in 2019. That doesn't even make any sense to me at all.

Meldish was not a well-liked guy which is why that quote is at the beginning from Siebel about the whole universe of people who had a problem with him.

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