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Toughest Gangsters who could fight

Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/23/20 08:07 PM

We hear about gangsters who were tough and some people say that because they were killers. Killers might not be able to carry themselves with the same confidence and intimidation if they don’t have a gun. Who were some mobsters who were known to be great street fighters and didn’t need a gun or knife? I have heard stories online about people like Sammy Gravano, Joseph Scopo, Anthony Accetturo and Vinny Gigante all being tough through and through with or without the threat of a weapon.
Posted By: majicrat

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/23/20 09:03 PM

From what I read no one is kicking tommy karate piteras ass. A psychopath to boot. Also read a while back that tony the roach rampino was strong as an ox and could fight as well as play softball like a pro.
Posted By: MolochioInduced

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/23/20 09:14 PM

I believe the Snake Persico killed someone in a street brawl, while he was still a teenager.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/23/20 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
I believe the Snake Persico killed someone in a street brawl, while he was still a teenager.


I saw someone on YouTube who was locked up with the Snake tell a story about Persico knocking a kid out cold because he wouldn’t continue fighting somebody else in the prison.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/23/20 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by majicrat
From what I read no one is kicking tommy karate piteras ass. A psychopath to boot. Also read a while back that tony the roach rampino was strong as an ox and could fight as well as play softball like a pro.


He was a huge psychopath. I wonder if wise guys even got along with him.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/23/20 10:54 PM

Sammy the Bull said that Gerry Pappa was the toughest guy he ever knew and Bo Dietl said that Joseph Scopo was the toughest guy he ever knew.
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
Sammy the Bull said that Gerry Pappa was the toughest guy he ever knew and Bo Dietl said that Joseph Scopo was the toughest guy he ever knew.

btw why the genovese family didn't revenge his death ?!
did the colombo's had the ok to kill him ?
Posted By: Jshov31

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 12:10 AM

Bruno Indelicato or Johnny Joe Spirito
Posted By: Shellackhead

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
Originally Posted by Revis_Knicks
Sammy the Bull said that Gerry Pappa was the toughest guy he ever knew and Bo Dietl said that Joseph Scopo was the toughest guy he ever knew.

btw why the genovese family didn't revenge his death ?!
did the colombo's had the ok to kill him ?

Gerard was out of control, I don’t know who were the guys affiliated with who blew his head off in his restaurant, but it was to not be avenged
Posted By: BigBrooklyn50

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 01:10 AM

Albert Anastasia was said to be very tough, according Fat Andy Ruggiano Anastasia was the toughest man he ever met. I would think Joel Cacace would also have to make the list of legit tough guys
Posted By: MolochioInduced

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 01:25 AM

That’s wild, the Boss is the Boss wherever he goes, it would seem that prison is included.
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 02:25 AM

John Veasey fought off Frank Martines and Vincent Pagano with three bullets in his head
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 02:59 AM

The Hunchback fought off the younger Scarfo guy and took his gun away from him.
Posted By: southphilly old head

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 03:03 AM

Hunchback was the real deal. He was from my old neighborhood. His sister was a real wack job. John John wasn't tough at all. He was really high all the time so he didnt feel anything. One of my closest friends smashed him in the face with a que ball one night even after he was made. He only had balls when he was high and that was 85% of the time. His Brother Billy was really tough with his hands.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by southphilly old head
Hunchback was the real deal. He was from my old neighborhood. His sister was a real wack job. John John wasn't tough at all. He was really high all the time so he didnt feel anything. One of my closest friends smashed him in the face with a que ball one night even after he was made. He only had balls when he was high and that was 85% of the time. His Brother Billy was really tough with his hands.


Testa had a reputation as a tough guy too I think.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 04:24 AM

There are many mafiosi in Italy who also have the reputation of being tough and ruthless. Much more ruthless than any Italian American gangsters.
Posted By: SharpieOne

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 04:51 AM

Patsy Parrello.
Angelo DeFendis , legit middleweight
Both Meldish brothers
John DiGilio
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 11:24 AM

Big Lou Fazzini
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Big Lou Fazzini


He is not a wimp, no doubt but tough compared to who? I know Lou, nice guy.
Most mob guys are tough because they have the mob behind them. They are almost like a terrorist group. A navy seal is tough, not so much a mob guy. To say Salvie Testa was tough is absolutely ridiculous.
In Phil Leonetti’s prime, put him on the mat with a college wrestler and he would be destroyed. I never quite understood the tough mobster part,, they are tough in numbers and the fact people wont fight back because they belong to a crew who will hit them in the head with a pipe when their back is turned. ( among other things).
A lot of you guys are way off base when it comes to mobsters being tough. Some are very tough in that they can do time and dont back down. Some of you are mixing that kind of toughness with fighting ability. Two different things and mutually exclusive.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lenox
Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Big Lou Fazzini


He is not a wimp, no doubt but tough compared to who? I know Lou, nice guy.
Most mob guys are tough because they have the mob behind them. They are almost like a terrorist group. A navy seal is tough, not so much a mob guy. To say Salvie Testa was tough is absolutely ridiculous.
In Phil Leonetti’s prime, put him on the mat with a college wrestler and he would be destroyed. I never quite understood the tough mobster part,, they are tough in numbers and the fact people wont fight back because they belong to a crew who will hit them in the head with a pipe when their back is turned. ( among other things).
A lot of you guys are way off base when it comes to mobsters being tough. Some are very tough in that they can do time and dont back down. Some of you are mixing that kind of toughness with fighting ability. Two different things and mutually exclusive.


Lenox, to be honest, it's secondhand information. I read it on one of these forums. I apologize if it caused a problem.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/24/20 11:56 PM

gerry pappa was killed because he killed a made guy in the colombo family. chin okayed the hit. one of the shooter got made into the bonanno family armondo rea or something i dont know why that happend like that but it all came up in chins trial cause pete savino was with gerry papa. he was also selling drugs
Posted By: Shellackhead

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by pmac
gerry pappa was killed because he killed a made guy in the colombo family. chin okayed the hit. one of the shooter got made into the bonanno family armondo rea or something i dont know why that happend like that but it all came up in chins trial cause pete savino was with gerry papa. he was also selling drugs

Yeah he whacked Colombo Capo, Shorty Spero
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 12:09 PM

Gambino associate and Greg DePalma's enforcer, Willie Marshall was a bad ass.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Big Lou Fazzini


Back in the day Big Lou Fazzini killed a guy in a fistfight with a single punch. That is a fact.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 03:33 PM

John Perna was a New Jersey All state High School wrestler at Belleville High School and wrestled Division 1 in college at Seton Hall.

He is also fearless, used to rob drug dealers in the hoods of Newark back in the day while attending Seton Hall I have heard from a friend who was in his Frat at Seton Hall.

Johnny Perna gets my vote, I would never fuck with him in a million years.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lenox
Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Big Lou Fazzini


He is not a wimp, no doubt but tough compared to who? I know Lou, nice guy.
Most mob guys are tough because they have the mob behind them. They are almost like a terrorist group. A navy seal is tough, not so much a mob guy. To say Salvie Testa was tough is absolutely ridiculous.
In Phil Leonetti’s prime, put him on the mat with a college wrestler and he would be destroyed. I never quite understood the tough mobster part,, they are tough in numbers and the fact people wont fight back because they belong to a crew who will hit them in the head with a pipe when their back is turned. ( among other things).
A lot of you guys are way off base when it comes to mobsters being tough. Some are very tough in that they can do time and dont back down. Some of you are mixing that kind of toughness with fighting ability. Two different things and mutually exclusive.


What mob guy would be tough based on your criteria then?
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 04:16 PM

Carmine Galante always had a reputation for being tough.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti


Back in the day Big Lou Fazzini killed a guy in a fistfight with a single punch. That is a fact.


I have heard that story, that's why I mentioned him.
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti


Back in the day Big Lou Fazzini killed a guy in a fistfight with a single punch. That is a fact.


I have heard that story, that's why I mentioned him.


That is true 100%. Then again, so did charles manson and i dont know how tough he was.
Lou is a good guy and did his time.
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 05:59 PM

John Alite, cause he says so!

John did you stab Artie Lange? Yes I did.

John did you baseball bat Mike Bocchetti? Yes I did.

John did you penetrate John D Amato anally? Yes I did.
Posted By: DetroitPartnership

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 06:05 PM

John DiGilio
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 07:37 PM

John Alite was a predator. He had a lot of childhood issues and did a lot of fuck up shit. He also jumped guys from behind when he was on Dust.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/25/20 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lenox
John Alite was a predator. He had a lot of childhood issues and did a lot of fuck up shit. He also jumped guys from behind when he was on Dust.


Alite got his ass kicked recently at one of the bars here in Jersey within the past 5 years I wanna say at Cuzin's in Marlboro.
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 12:05 AM

yep, that was 2 years ago.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 12:07 AM

Hugh McIntosh
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
John Perna was a New Jersey All state High School wrestler at Belleville High School and wrestled Division 1 in college at Seton Hall.

He is also fearless, used to rob drug dealers in the hoods of Newark back in the day while attending Seton Hall I have heard from a friend who was in his Frat at Seton Hall.

Johnny Perna gets my vote, I would never fuck with him in a million years.


Did John Perna graduate from Seton Hall?
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by flamingokid123
Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
John Perna was a New Jersey All state High School wrestler at Belleville High School and wrestled Division 1 in college at Seton Hall.

He is also fearless, used to rob drug dealers in the hoods of Newark back in the day while attending Seton Hall I have heard from a friend who was in his Frat at Seton Hall.

Johnny Perna gets my vote, I would never fuck with him in a million years.


Did John Perna graduate from Seton Hall?


Yeah , I mean he was there for four years so I assume he walked out of Seton Hall with a degree.
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 01:33 PM

Dante
John just got married and mellowed out a lot.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lenox
Dante
John just got married and mellowed out a lot.


I havent seen him in probably about ten years, he was in the same wild and crazy Frat at Seton Hall as a good buddy of mine who is 7 years older than me.
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 02:11 PM

Joe is more level headed and business minded. Ralph is a nice kid.
Posted By: MolochioInduced

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 08:22 PM

Eddie Melo was a Frank Controni guy I believe, he was Golden Gloves or equivalent in Canada.
Posted By: jackdempsey1930

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/26/20 08:57 PM

Ive read many stories, seen interviews and know people that new him. Seems Jimmy Burke could and would love to hurt People with his hands. How it all started.
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/27/20 01:39 PM

A lot of these mobsters or anyone for that matter that enjoy hurting people were abused as children. Burke certainly did.
Some are just born evil.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/28/20 01:53 AM

Some of the older mobsters used to box too. Gigange and Gravano are two examples. I am sure there are many others who didn’t just fight on the street and weren’t just tough with weapons in their hands. Perna being a wrestler is a great example provided too. I would love to hear stories of him going to the projects in Newark and robbing dealers though. That sounds unbelievable because those projects were a different kind of rough in the 80s and 90s.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/28/20 01:00 PM

Anastasia killed a guy with his bare hands. The mad hatter, Lord high executioner. Enough said.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/28/20 05:37 PM

Many professional fighters start out as tough street fighters too. I wonder if some of these guys who grew up fighting could’ve gone professional had they applied themselves.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/28/20 05:40 PM

I wish there was more information on Joe Scopo. Bo Dietl is a tough guy himself and he talks this guy up as a fighter and a tough guy a lot.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/28/20 05:55 PM

Were any of the guys that we are naming great earners as well? Anastasia was a great earner. So was Sammy. Idk if they were making money like Tommy Gambino, Ponte, Franzese or any heavy earners like that but they were still making millions every year.
Posted By: Lenox

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/28/20 06:49 PM

The robbing the drug dealers story might be somewhat convoluted. He may have went to buy drugs and then took the drugs without paying( not large quantities). He wasnt strong arming them and using a gun to steal their money, that i can tell you.
Did he ever punch some small time street dealer and then rob a few dime bags of weed? Maybe.
Did he rob half a key of coke or a pound of weed? NO !
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/29/20 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lenox
The robbing the drug dealers story might be somewhat convoluted. He may have went to buy drugs and then took the drugs without paying( not large quantities). He wasnt strong arming them and using a gun to steal their money, that i can tell you.
Did he ever punch some small time street dealer and then rob a few dime bags of weed? Maybe.
Did he rob half a key of coke or a pound of weed? NO !


Now that sounds more believable.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/29/20 06:03 PM

Mickey Cohen would have to be mentioned too. He was a professional boxer. He even told bugsy off to his face(supposedly).
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/29/20 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lenox
The robbing the drug dealers story might be somewhat convoluted. He may have went to buy drugs and then took the drugs without paying( not large quantities). He wasnt strong arming them and using a gun to steal their money, that i can tell you.
Did he ever punch some small time street dealer and then rob a few dime bags of weed? Maybe.
Did he rob half a key of coke or a pound of weed? NO !


Just sharing what I’ve been told, again those guys are all 7 years older than me.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/30/20 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
Originally Posted by Lenox
The robbing the drug dealers story might be somewhat convoluted. He may have went to buy drugs and then took the drugs without paying( not large quantities). He wasnt strong arming them and using a gun to steal their money, that i can tell you.
Did he ever punch some small time street dealer and then rob a few dime bags of weed? Maybe.
Did he rob half a key of coke or a pound of weed? NO !


Just sharing what I’ve been told, again those guys are all 7 years older than me.


What other tough guys in Jersey did you hear about? I only heard about Accetturo and Perna.
Posted By: DetroitPartnership

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 03/30/20 08:21 PM

Perna's a fighter? Digilio we know will knock you out. A serious Middleweight boxer.
Posted By: Revis_Knicks

Re: Toughest Gangsters who could fight - 04/04/20 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by DetroitPartnership
Perna's a fighter? Digilio we know will knock you out. A serious Middleweight boxer.


New Jersey state champ for wrestling.
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