Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/21/1905:24 PM
Manasseri’s parents immigrated to Canada in the 1950s from Sicily. The Manasseri children grew up in the area of Gladstone and Fairmont Avenues in Hintonburg.
His brother Charlie Manasseri is a convicted killer whose case dragged through the justice system for years before he pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 2017 for the 2005 beating death of a 22-year-old man who aspired to be a police officer.
Benny’s children, too, have had a former business — a Greco gym they owned and operated in Little Italy — hit by gunfire, though police believe they weren’t the intended targets.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/22/1909:22 PM
All by himself, unless he is John Rambo, I would have to assume he had a least one other person with him. The fortunate/unfortunate depending on what side you’re on is that no one can ever ask him
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1901:26 AM
Originally Posted by thebigfella
Is thier a chance that sal was acting on his own?
In PGP messages Mirarchi said to Desjardins:
"These guys become dangerous. Mickey [Montagna] told Turkey [Moreno Gallo, ally of Montagna] that everything is correct between him and you. Turkey gives him weapons. Mickey says he's bringing guys from New York to help him. "
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1905:56 AM
Dominico Scarfo is still alive, no doubt he is in their crosshairs. Salvatore Montagna would never have made those moves without backing from New York. He was able to sway members of Montreal to revolt against the Rizzutos, but without a direct line back to New York, it would be pointless to even attempt the overthrow.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1903:25 PM
Great point, if you’re going to remove the King, you might need the backing of other Kings to pull it off.
Was/is it considered a success, also the name Scarfo, everyone knows the AC/Philly namesakes. Any significance with that, seeing that Little Nicky was a Calabrese and ‘Don’ and Scoppas are Calabrese as well
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1904:57 PM
Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
also the name Scarfo, everyone knows the AC/Philly namesakes. Any significance with that, seeing that Little Nicky was a Calabrese and ‘Don’ and Scoppas are Calabrese as well
There was an very old article online about his family. Little Nicky is from NY and some relatives uncles or cousins overthere were tied to the Siderno Group at least to that article.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1905:09 PM
I have heard that he was/is know over in Calabria like that, this is something else that could shed some light on things. That Nicky Scarfo and Johnny Papalia were friends as well as Calabrese, and that Scarfo’s reputation and sway with Commission was one reason John was so successful, as well as all the Sicilians John impressed, like Scarfo and Angelo Bruno
Also the death of John and how, without ever knowing how 5 Families/Commission was/if involved is now playing out amongst everything else
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1905:29 PM
The buffalo mafia backed luppino-violi family is attacking the musitano family for supporting the rizzuto family. What role do the bonnano's have in this? I thought the bonanno's and rizzito's camed to an understanding that no one on either side of the pond should take orders from sal
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1906:06 PM
The Scarfo/Papalia friendship is somehow related to the Archangel Michael, it’s a big deal in Calabria and Ndrangheta. Protection and defence I believe, both of these guys got involved at a young age and got trained buy similar people
I think the Snake Persico stated that he used the AA Mike as his card when he was inducted these beliefs are prevalent yet not well known
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1906:14 PM
That makes sense especially if Vito Rizzuto had to settle Vendetta
Figuring out who’s truly responsible, considering the Charboneau Commission, seized funds all over the world, it involves more than just wiseguys. It would require focus to find out
Peace with NY would of gave focus, then who?? Who has benefited the most since they came under attack??most probably conspirators?
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1906:52 PM
If you’re right as well as others, than the Violi/Luppino/Buffalo is doing it without NYC, are they that respected and powerful to do it alone or do they require some support
Also outside of Buffalo the Violi/Luppino have been damaged throughout this, including inducting a FBI source
After the major Ndrangheta bust in 2015 that got major players in Ontario, word was out that the Viloi’s were being targeted by cops from out of NYC
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1908:18 PM
That could help as terrible as that sounds, so the peace agreement is a false thing, does that mean that the Bonnanos working with Scoppas as they killed the Rizzutos as well in 2016
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/23/1911:48 PM
I posted a working link above that talks about a major drug deal that the bonanno's and rizzuto's were involved in, and it's been mentioned in many articles that factions in New York did not like sal because he got his position through a rat
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/24/1912:33 AM
Originally Posted by thebigfella
I posted a working link above that talks about a major drug deal that the bonanno's and rizzuto's were involved in, and it's been mentioned in many articles that factions in New York did not like sal because he got his position through a rat
IDK, but he was murdered in 2011 and was recognized as the acting boss of the Bonanno crime family from 2006 until 2010, with Nicky Santora as underboss and Anthony Rabito as consigliere,
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/24/1901:32 AM
The Rizzutos cut ties with the Bonanno family when they found out that Joe Massino ordered Gerlando Sciascia killed. Sciascia was related to the Rizzutos from Sicily. Peter Edwards is not wrong in saying that Rizzuto cut ties with the Bonanno, but he is only going the Sicilian line, not the Calabrians. The ties remained with the old Cotroni family. Salvatore Montagna began betraying members of his own circle. This is what led to his down fall and fracturing those against the Rizzutos. There were Bonanno capos in New York that did not like Sal cause he was picked to be a capo by a rat. Once he became acting boss as Massino no longer had the power to appoint members in the family, many of his detectors held their tongues. Mancuso stole the family from Basciano, which the two factions were rivals. Montagna was Mancuso pick. Best if Mancuso stayed in New York, cause both Sicilians and Calabrians in Montreal would more likely shoot him on sight boss or no boss. Buffalo comes up a lot. To understand that connection Buffalo Violi, Hamilton Joe Violi to be precise was sending cash and weapons to his Violi cousins who are part of the Cotroni family of Montreal. Nicolo Rizzuto, Paolo Renda, and Agostino Caruana, were mostly likely done by the Violi in Montreal, and has since then remained quiet, so they participated at the start of the war at least. Of the big four Domenico Manna is still alive. Rizzuto meeting with Bonanno representatives after his release from prison has been documented by an informant, and wire taps on high level members in the Toronto area. Not long after that is when Rizzuto rivals began to fall. So there is some weight that Montagna was backed by the Bonanno crime family and Rizzuto was able to make them stay out of the conflict. With the Violi locked up, that leaves the Luppinos on the streets and only targets available.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1905:21 AM
Originally Posted by Giacomo_Vacari
The Rizzutos cut ties with the Bonanno family when they found out that Joe Massino ordered Gerlando Sciascia killed. Sciascia was related to the Rizzutos from Sicily. Peter Edwards is not wrong in saying that Rizzuto cut ties with the Bonanno, but he is only going the Sicilian line, not the Calabrians. The ties remained with the old Cotroni family. Salvatore Montagna began betraying members of his own circle. This is what led to his down fall and fracturing those against the Rizzutos. There were Bonanno capos in New York that did not like Sal cause he was picked to be a capo by a rat. Once he became acting boss as Massino no longer had the power to appoint members in the family, many of his detectors held their tongues. Mancuso stole the family from Basciano, which the two factions were rivals. Montagna was Mancuso pick. Best if Mancuso stayed in New York, cause both Sicilians and Calabrians in Montreal would more likely shoot him on sight boss or no boss. Buffalo comes up a lot. To understand that connection Buffalo Violi, Hamilton Joe Violi to be precise was sending cash and weapons to his Violi cousins who are part of the Cotroni family of Montreal. Nicolo Rizzuto, Paolo Renda, and Agostino Caruana, were mostly likely done by the Violi in Montreal, and has since then remained quiet, so they participated at the start of the war at least. Of the big four Domenico Manna is still alive. Rizzuto meeting with Bonanno representatives after his release from prison has been documented by an informant, and wire taps on high level members in the Toronto area. Not long after that is when Rizzuto rivals began to fall. So there is some weight that Montagna was backed by the Bonanno crime family and Rizzuto was able to make them stay out of the conflict. With the Violi locked up, that leaves the Luppinos on the streets and only targets available.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1904:41 PM
Originally Posted by Hollander
The Violis already got their Vendetta.
And you know this how, exactly? Why haven't Paolo Violi's sons been charged with the killing of Paolo Renda, Agostino Cuntrera, and Nick Rizzuto Sr.?
Why didn't the Violi sons or their Luppino uncles get revenge at an earlier time by killing the Bonanno Family boss who turned down Paolo Violi's request to kill Nick Rizzuto Sr. but gave Nick Sr. the approval to kill Paolo Violi? Do you think that American La Cosa Nostra rules and protocols might have had something to do with the inaction on the part of the Luppino men?
What American LCN rule did Nick Rizzuto Sr. violate, exactly, by having Paolo Violi killed? You do know that Violi disregarded the Bonanno boss's ruling and planned to kill Nick Sr. anyway, right? Do you honestly believe Nick Sr. was in Venezuela for long periods of time in the 1970s till, roughly, the mid-1980s solely because of drug trafficking and not because he didn't fear being killed before and after Violi himself was murdered? You do remember that Nick Sr. moved to Toronto in 1987 and was living in the city at various times till 1988, don't you?
So in 2010, the non-made Domencio Violi and non-made Giuseppe Violi plotted the murders of made members Renda, Cuntrera, and Nick Sr.? Did the Violi brothers pull the trigger too? Wouldn't Sal Montagna, an American LCN acting boss of the Bonanno Family, have had to greenlight those murders, given Nick Sr.'s and Renda's status as made Bonannos? (Agostino might have been a made member of the Caruana-Cuntrera family all along unless he transferred to the Bonanno decina in Montreal.) So the Violi brothers got "revenge" by "ordering" an American LCN acting boss do what he was going to do anyway?
Ah, but you might turn around and say that, in 2010, Domenico and Giuseppe Violi were still 'ndrangheta members who were not answerable to made members of other Italian secret societies. Do you have any evidence of their membership in the 'ndrangheta other than the contentious belief about patrilineal descent conferring membership from father to son?
A true Canadian mobwatcher knows that the rules and protocols observed by the Italian secret societies here are not frequently thrown out the window. You're a Siderno Group member who wants to kill a made member of the Buffalo Family, Gambino Family, Bonanno Family, et al? You had better get permission from the boss of those families. (Paolo Violi was very well versed in the politics of the American LCN; hopefully, after his death, his Luppino brothers-in-law instilled some knowledge in Violi's sons.)
But you might turn around again and say that Paolo Violi's sons' eventual revenge one day was preordained; that Domenico Violi especially, as the older son, had the birthright. Well, wouldn't it then be incumbent on Charlie Renda and Liborio Cuntrera, whose fathers were, you claim, supposedly murdered for actions that were sanctioned by the Bonanno Family in New York, to exact revenge on Paolo Violi's sons?
To whom do Domenico Violi and Giuseppe Violi truly pledge their loyalty now that, like their father before them, they are made members of an American LCN family?
If Paolo Violi had killed Nick Sr. without permission from New York, you and others would be arguing 1) Violi had every right to do so, and b) Nick Sr.'s son Vito would be in the wrong for trying to avenge Nick Sr.'s death.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1905:32 PM
Those are some serious inquiries, also in 2015 when the Ndrangheta was busted in Ontario, Diego Serrano was arrested. His son Saverio was targeted for death, instead his girlfriend was killed. Within weeks of the failed hit, the same team of murders killed Ang Musitano. How is that related same group that ordered Musitano dead wanted Serrano’s son dead. How are they related, the murders were kids from Hamilton
Also in that bust I believe that Mike Watson’s legendary Parkdale Clubber from Hamilton’s East End son was arrested. Don’t think he even did anytime. Not to mention that the Bacchus patched the Red Devils in Hamilton.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1905:38 PM
There are men in the province who in the last couple years joined the Loners Mc quit, joined the OLMC quit and now brought the Mongrel Mob to Canada. Imagining joining the Violi quitting and joining the Musitano quilting and bring Rizzuto to Canada.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1905:52 PM
Bacchus is an East Coast club with a controversial patch. The Bacchus are on what used to be Wolf Carroll’s area. Wolf Carroll, like Mom Boucher, were Ha Nomads 95, that actually fought the Rock Machine. Both Nurget Stadnik and Pup Stockford were also HA Nomads 95, both of them are from Hamilton and were arrested after the provincial patch over. They are out of prison, some of this could be unfinished business from them as well as Violi and Rizzuto, basically what side of Hells and Rock Machine you were on, never ended just maybe changed uniforms/masks
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1905:59 PM
Maybe the return of Nurget Stadnik, former HA National President and Nomad was no so well received by his hometown Hamilton and others in that city, as well as other places. The Nomad 95 HA was in Montreal, both those cities are involved in this.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1906:01 PM
Did they current administration of the families in Hamilton have a relationship with Stadnik or was that Papalia, same in Montreal with Boucher or was that Rizzuto
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 11/25/1907:26 PM
What about Boucher in Montreal, he was voted out of HA March 2014, four months after Rizzuto death. Boucher was sentenced recently for murder attempt on Ray Desjardins
Why was Boucher voted out of HA, when he was the President of the Nomads that fought Rock Machine, isn’t the reputation of the HA in Quebec based on what Boucher accomplished, maybe across Canada
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/03/1902:15 PM
To play a little Devils advocate....
Who gave the greenlight on Rizzutos son? To my knowledge, it was a construction guy, and a gang leader, and apparently was separate from the intrigues by Montagna, or is this wrong?
I just ask on the other board, when Montagna met with " Hamilton", who did he meet with? The Violis? Or the Luppinos? I asked bacause at this time the Violis were not made yet......
It's never really been explained exactly what the Violis endgame was.....
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/03/1903:51 PM
Great questions, it’s known that Victor Rizzuto had closed meetings before and after release. Some of the conversations were about appeasing those who switch on Rizzuto for business, which was more acceptable than those who did for Vendetta. The jump spot that was suppose to be built in Hamilton failed, especially after Rizzuto died. With him gone it was easy for people to break the terms of the agreement, without considering that the breaking of the agreement, might of been planned for. This gave Rizzuto chance to Vendetta, the HA 95 Nomads were a topic discussed. Stadnik was returning to Hamilton end of 2014, in March 2014 Boucher was voted out of HA (because people broke terms with a now dead Rizzuto) both of them were/are 95 HA Nomads. The fail to provide Mexico what they were promised, as well as the broken agreement among everyone that would have benefited from such a pipeline for business profit, was set off when Verducci was murdered. It’s a crazy business, but to do something like that, you have to be crazy. IMO
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/03/1903:56 PM
I believe Walter Stadnik’s conditions of parole have end April 2019, since then he is free to travel and associate as he pleased. Was at funeral for dead HA in BC
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/03/1904:05 PM
With so much time in between, Rizzuto meetings, death and broken agreement. That it could be anyone targeting anyone. The media only knows so much as is part of over all business. Is the street a source of information in Canada. Why not put word out on the street and see what comes back?
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/03/1911:59 PM
That’s a serious amount of bodies for one guy, is he freelance or under a specific group? Also if the Rizzuto murdered Musitano, how strong are they? It would appear stronger than perceived.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/04/1907:46 AM
Originally Posted by CabriniGreen
To play a little Devils advocate....
Who gave the greenlight on Rizzutos son? To my knowledge, it was a construction guy, and a gang leader, and apparently was separate from the intrigues by Montagna, or is this wrong?
I just ask on the other board, when Montagna met with " Hamilton", who did he meet with? The Violis? Or the Luppinos? I asked bacause at this time the Violis were not made yet......
It's never really been explained exactly what the Violis endgame was.....
Not sure who gave the order on Nick Rizzuto Jr, but it seems kind of obvious that the ball starts rolling as soon as Montagna sets foot in Montreal. He probably realized that unless he starts taking control of the city and brings the Rizzuto family under the Bonnanos, his days as underboss were probably numbered. Also at this point I'm not even sure if the Cotroni faction acted on their own. The top dog of that group was Joe Di Maulo, and he probably didn't wanna make a move unless he had good enough support to do so. Montagna showed up, and the Violi's in Hamilton were rising stars, so with Vito away, the time felt right. Had they succeeded, I think the family would have restored its ties to the Bonnanos.
Also the other thing you need to realize is that the Violi brothers are Luppinos by blood through their mother, even if they were not made at the time, they were already significant Mob figures given their deep Mafia heritage on both sides of the family. North of the border your bloodline matters a lot more than some random Godfather doing some random ceremony. So when it's said that Montagna met with them in Hamilton, it's safe to assume that he met with the Luppinos in general.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/04/1909:42 AM
If it’s the Luppino that Montagna met with in Hamilton, then the attack on Luppino could be Vendetta from Rizzuto behind the grave, very Sicilian.
Also Luppino, could they have influenced the Ndrangheta in Woodbridge to attack Rizzuto. Giacomo Luppino, was key member in establishing Board of Control in the Woodbridge for Ndrangheta, wasn’t he the Violis grandfather?
Especially if they got the boss of Bonanno selling you the idea of revenge and whatever else it would take to get them to participate or would the Luppino be selling Montagna? Revenge for Rizzuto murder of Violis.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/04/1911:05 PM
Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
That’s a serious amount of bodies for one guy, is he freelance or under a specific group? Also if the Rizzuto murdered Musitano, how strong are they? It would appear stronger than perceived.
Re: Rizzuto associate shot in ottawa - 12/09/1906:33 AM
Originally Posted by MolochioInduced
That’s a serious amount of bodies for one guy, is he freelance or under a specific group? Also if the Rizzuto murdered Musitano, how strong are they? It would appear stronger than perceived.