Why John Pappa doesn't flip?

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Ok maybe I posted it before but there are something that I can't understand.

John Pappa was born in 1974 and was sentenced to life for 1999 for 4 murders and drug trafficking.He was on the hit team that killed Joseph Scopo jr in 1993 and ended the third colombo war.
Now Pappa wasn't a street gang members who are used to thinking that even if will serve long sentences, they will still be able to command from prison or make money,but he was a wannabe I don't understand why he don't flipped?
He was in the Scopo murder hit team for sure he could use this for had a light sentence maybe in a different prison but no he decided to remain faithful to what? Many wiseguys had flipped for few and why has he wasted his life?

My guess is he looks up to his fathef and that way of life way too much to consider flipping. I have always heard he looked up to his father and if I'm not mistaken he was very young when his dad passed so I would assume all he has are stories and second hand memories which more then likely made his dad almost mythical to him and that he wouldnt betray that code for anything.

Yes Mchang93 this is could be a good reason.

its to late to flip its something like you only have 360 days after your conviction. massino flipped rite after trial like the same day the jury read the verdict. crazy phil leonetti went to trial with all the scarfo guys and between the verdict and the senencing day he called the feds and said i'll help you ect. his life senteces are set in stone unless the president pardon him, he cant get resentence hes out of time. theres 1 guy who the feds needed so bad to bust the mafia cops they bent all types of laws to get him resentence so he would cooperate. burt kaplan, cassos jewish money guy was like 8 yrs into a 20+ yr drug case and he told the feds he could help with the mob cops case i forgot they figured out someway for a judge to sweep aside his old drug sentence and give him a 5k letter

The tattoo on his back reads: "Death before dishonour". That should explain his mind set.

If I should I would speak to him for understand what is his mindset after 20 y in prison.

Pmac is right, plus what the hell is he going to tell the FBI? Everything he knows is 20+ years out of date.

Mine was a more philosophical question than anything else, aka why a 25-year-old young man agrees to throw away his life without even thinking for a moment of flipping?Maybe not not right away in 1999, but maybe after a year in the prison?

guys are getting made in prison today. i wonder if allie boy or vic amuso said fuck it burn some tissue your one of us now. the guy was brought up in a colombo trial a few years back. hes pen pals with frank guerra a persico loyalist who probaly is a capo today. they were trying to have him inducted since 2000 and shit just kept getting it pushed off. hes been out for a few years after beating a few murders he probaly got made in prison to

Guys don't get made in prison. That one time that did happen was Casso's idea, and he threw the mob book out the window the moment he become underboss so it's no surprise he approved a picture of a saint being replaced with toilet paper.

Casso was always an idiot.

Same mind set he had 20 years ago. Why would you think prison would change that.

feds swear up and down and they got or had abunch of informants in the colombo family. in 2011 mob takedown day a guy named larry sessa was inducted by andrew russo in a prison cell or some room they didnt have cameras in. they brought it up in his dention hearing and russos. saying there dangers to the community ect. got to roll with the changes..... you could be rite if allie was able to induct guys in jail he would have inducted his old cellmate ralph deleo instead of having tommy shots do it on the street

In the A&E Underboss interview with Phil Leonetti, if i remember correctly, he says that Testa issued tissue paper and told him to pretend it was a picture of a saint.

To be fair, the Colombo's are a level down from the other NY families and it wouldn't surprise me if they made guys in prison. Hell, they'd induct anyone with an Italian sounding last name.
Allie Boy should have done a background check on his old cellmate, if he did that he would have found out DeLeo turned informant years earlier and took the witness stand.

If this is true, then I'm shocked. What is it with these morons that can't get hold of a fucking picture of a saint.

If toilet paper or tissue paper is used in a induction ceremony, it just tells the inductee not to take the oath of omerta too seriously.

Maybe they didn't offer him a deal because he had so many murders? Maybe for whatever reason he didn't have enough information on higher ups in the family.

he was killing kids that had nothing to do with the mafia pecking order. 19 20 21 yr olds over who was selling more weed or coke. his claim to mafia fame is some colombo associates bf guerra and some guy russo who got made 08 and turned rat said they told him to shoot joe scopo and he did what they said. i wonder if in time the scopo family would have got the bosses to kill papa to appease them . scopo had alot of friends. the elder ralph scopo and carmine persico were close. thats why scopos 2 sons were made the same year carmine becomes boss 1980. but they surported orena so who knows. should have stayed loyal to persico

Some people have their beliefs no matter what they will stick to them, the tattoo on his back let's everyone know: Morte prima di disonore - Death before dishonor.
Watts is another associate that never ratted, Edmund Boyle another one put in decades behind bars, still 10 more years to go, Burton Kaplan stood tall for a long time, even when Casso flipped, and at 65 years old they gave him 27 years and still he refused to rat, finally they came to him 9 years later and said you're going to die in prison for what? All you have to do is rat on the 2 crooked "Mafia Cops" and you can go home and see your grand kid, after years of watching made guys flip, he said to himself: why am I staying true when you got made guys flipping? All I have to do is rat on cops.

bugsy hit the nail on the head. its still amazing the strings the feds pulled to get burt kaplan out of the 27yr drug sentence when he already did 10yrs. i guess if they need you to testify theyll find a way. i read what they did and its way to long to explain and maybe happens one time in 10 million cases. still doesnt seem legal but they can do whatever they want most of the time, thats why it was shocking when judge weinstein dissmissed the mafia cops case in the begining. he said this isnt the legal standurd but the gov appealed his rulling and he tucked his tail back in and let them do whatever

Feds are the worst they don't play by wiseguy rules, they will go after family, they were going to throw Massino's 90 year old mother out of her house and his wife too, they got what they wanted in the end, headlines everywhere mob boss flips.

That's probably why he didn't get a deal then. If he was killing civilians he deserves to rot in prison.

I’m guessing he just wanted a name for himself, and his pops murder being the driving force in his actions. Copy what his father did but the Colombo’s took advantage of him and had him murder Orena Faction guys just to reward him with nothing.

agreed . alan. they pumped him up. there some other puerto rican guy he hung around tommy shots crew he said for 1 day in the 90tys smoking weed next thing he knows hes a shooter on some old guy and his driver on long island i forgot his name he flipped a few years ago. they gave him time served like 2 yrs, he was like 21 killing made guys

I guess that’s the post 90s way now. Get a few wannabe gangsters to do the dirty work for made guys, but they do risk of that shooter flipping.

the puerto rican dude looked white he was busted when they rounded up all the colombos in 2011. the prosecutors told they judge this guy isnt even connected and hasnt been around for yrs but they grabbed him in the dragnet. he was like a custodian at a church in manhattan

Maybe Pappa understood that he will get life even if he flipped so decided to do his time with respected as a stand up guy that made the same years as a snitch watching his back?

You're looking at this all wrong furio, you're trying to understand Pappa's mindset from the perspective of a normal person. Some of these guys have a different mindset and won't consider flipping for any reason. For the average person this is too hard to understand and that is why you refuse to believe Pappa is simply a stand up guy who didn't consider flipping to be an option.

If you say it this way, I can only agree with you Neo.