Mafia and Family Dynasties

Did the mafia ever rub elbows with rich family dynasties such as the Rockefellers, JP Morgans, Gettys, Kochs, Rothschilds and so on? I know they were obviously close with the Kennedys but I don’t think the Kennedys ever had as much money as the aforementioned families(though they had a lot of course). I would think that people on that level of business would not need to associate with the mafia because they could buy and sell all of the top bosses without any problem. I believe they looked down on the mafia bosses who considered themselves businessmen compared to them. But I am not knowledgeable on the subject, just basically guessing here.

The mafia in Italy is already well known to either do business or even control the most powerful businessmen and politicians in their country. As well as Russia but to a lesser extent to the Italians.

Mafia would not be permitted to "Rub elbows" with the dynasties you mentioned. But, it's possible--probably in some cases--that their enterprises had contact with and did business with mobsters and mob-controlled organizations, such as Mafia-controlled unions, construction companies, business associations or "consultants." They do rub elbows in Europe, Asia and Latin America.

Would you say that some old mafia leaders wanted to become as powerful and rich as some of these people though? And were any of them on the track to be on their level? One I can possibly think of is Moe Dalitz.

Example that comes to mind is Meyer Lansky and Fulgencio Batista, President/Dictator of Cuba.

I always wondered how much money Lansky lost in the whole Cuba debacle. An author who did research on his life says he lost his whole fortune and that is why he died with very little to leave his family. His daughter said that after Cuba failed he transferred $15 million to her brother’s bank account but I don’t know how believable that is.

Do you mean according to the mob's own rules, or that dynasties would just never bother with the mob? I'd have to question the former. I would bet Costello must have had friends in those Rockefeller-type circles. How else would he have obtained the control he did over the courts and political halls? Kind of a small example but Francesco Lanza in San Francisco built Fisherman's Wharf with Giuseppe Aliato, whose son Joe would become mayor, and Lanza was recognized by the Commission as the first real boss out there.

In Russia, the state controls everything , state & secret service have total control of organized crime. Not just in Russia , but whole of Eastern Europe , here u know who is working for secret services, they have police/secret services identifications and they are untouchable

Great example. I think that people like the Rockefellers were some of the most powerful and influential people in the world. I don’t see why they would need to bother with the mob because they were more powerful and much wealthier without needing them in the first place. I think there were mobsters who could have reached that level of success eventually but nobody really did.

What about Mogilevich? He’s controlled by the state?

I think Escobar was the closest to ever being on that level. He really was among the richest people in the world at the height of his operation.

Of course he is,everyone are, you can't come to that level without state/secret services. KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko recorded a tape where he explained how Mogilevich is close to Putin ,he was poisoned shortly after. As i said you,everyone in Eastern Europe are controlled by state/secret services, from most powerful mafia bosses to tycoons. Everyone here knows that , its like public secret. Arkan who was one of most richest people in Eastern Europe and very powerful war lord, started working for secret services as leader of football hooligans. Even today pretty much all leaders of football hooligans here work for secret services.

While the Russian state controls everything, it seems like the Italian state and the Italian mafia work together. The American mafia and the government used to work together too. But the American mob doesn’t have that kind of power or money anymore.

russian and chinese states control everythings (also the mob), italian and japanese states work togheter with the mob, mexican cartels openly fight the state (or at least the part not corrupted)

Why did the Americans not really become entrenched in the state as much as the Italians did with their country? The Italians(Especially the LCN and Ndrangheta) took after the Americans and turned themselves into a multi billion dollar criminal enterprise quickly. You could say that they took it to another level. The Italian Americans trended in the opposite direction as they never saw money like the Italians did when they started to expand their empire and move away from being more agricultural based.