The harlem godfather: bumpy johnson

What you guys thought of the first two episodes and it's historical accuracy?

There’s a proper discussion thread in the Movie/TV forum.

If you guys talk about documentaries, books and movies about mafia events based on on real life...why we can't talk about this particular movie on this particular thread?

In this show they have chins people meeting with bumpy and Malcolm. Everyone has guns just walking down the street. You see this in a lot of movies and portrayals. Did that stuff really happen. Probably not in the 60's, but during the twenties and on were these guys all rolling twenty deep with Tommy guns while two guys were talking things out. It seems like a cops dream come true.

There’s a whole forum dedicated to Mob Fiction (books, movies, TV, even video games).

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=7&page=1

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=976541&gonew=1#UNREAD

I don't think chin was the boss that early

What about the storyline about Chins daughter . Is there something there or just bullshit for the show?

I think it's pretty good show so far. Big fan of Forrest whitaker

If he had contacts with cosa nostra probably with Genovese, Tony Salerno maybe.

Wasn't the movie Hoodlum about Bumpy Johnson? I assume that was earlier in his life, considering his arch rival was Dutch Schultz who was long gone the 1960s. Anyhow at least in the movie Hoodlum Bumpy had a good relationship with Luciano so it would make sense that he had connections to that same family later in life.

Watched the first episode last night. Acting is meh but the story looks interesting even if it's probably a bit hyperbolic. Was Costello still calling shots then? Or was Sorvino basically a composite of Strollo, Eboli, Frank, all the Genovese royalty of that era?

Watch the episodes recently and was disappointed on a few things. No mention of Madam St Clair, Time frame, Numbers racketeers presence, Malcolm X interactions, & love story sub plot ( westside story cliche cringe).

I don't know why it's hard for some to make crime dramas focus primary on the...CRIME.

The show is entertaining but most of it fiction. I like the Malcolm X storyline. At the moment I'm reading Ali: A Life. Forest Whitaker is one of the best.

I messaged the creator of the show and informed him that Chin was not the boss until 1980-1981 and that he was still in prison with until 1964 and in the first two episodes take place in 1963. He told me “according to my research Chin took over immediately after Vito went away” which is simply not true for various reasons and anybody with access to Google or FBI files knows that he was a capo/acting capo during the mid 1960s which he would have only been in his mid 30s during this time. Quite a slip up if you ask me.

No mention of Eboli or Lombardo or even Salerno for that matter even though this period of the Genovese is shrouded in mystery Fish Cafaro claimed that Lombardo was the real power along with Catena in NJ. I mean this is pretty basic stuff unless he has access to files none of us crime historians have which I highly doubt...plus a boss would never walk around confronting like that at this period of time, this isn’t Sqaulitieri with the Albanians. Its the Genovese during their peak but it just seems unlikely this would ever happen with a boss leading a pack of armed soliders in Harlem that visibily..

Shows need to do better fact checking on these kinds of non fiction/pseudo fictional shows..

Like i said, disappointed. I have yet to see any Numbers operators.

Its entertaining but full of inaccuracies. they should have made Fat Tony the main Italian guy if you're talking control of Harlem. Chin was still in jail. Might have been a favorite of Vito's but he wasn't acting boss in 63, more like 80 or 81. Plus he was a Village guy.

Never seen such crap in my life, if a civilian even looked at a made guy the wrong way in those days they could be killed, this shows a black guy holding a gun to a supposed boss, killing a made guy, why is this listed as drama? Looks like a comedy to me, how about telling a true story like the time Tino hog tied a black community leader and drove him through the ghetto to let em know - we run shit, any questions? Months later they found his body in a garbage dump - shot, skull crushed, spine broken, ribs broken, leg broken, I want to see true stories like that, not fuckin fairy tales.

I quit watching this bullshit after the very first one.

A mobster can get killed by anybody. They ain't no different from other crooks. Tino hog tied a black community leader is a better story? That sounds ridiculous and even lack any substance on the topic. Deal with the fact that made mem been killed by Black racketeers throughout history,

Is this a discussion on the tv if it is im skipping it. Idk why only can have 1 great mafia or mob type show and sopranos set the bar so high no one has a chance. I heard the tv show is really good . I didn't like boardwalk empire either maybe not up for the old shit