Current Status Of the Columbo's

Reading the book "Carmine the Snake" and wondering what's the current status of the family since Carmine passed? Who's in charge? member numbers? Where are they still most dominate and what rackets? Seems to me they're an older family with relatively few younger members. I've always been interested in this family since I find them the most interesting from the three civil wars and Carmine holding the top spot for so long while in jail.

Gone are the glory days and they've moved to Staten Island. They inducted some new guys recently. About a half a dozen or so.

Seems like at snakes wake was held in coney island invite only according to capeci they must have proposed the new boss. All his cellmates and mafia blood family must have all got a card. Im guessing its russo even thou hes like 85. But some where someone threw out a guy robert donofrio in his mid 50tys. Did alot of time for the colombo war in 90tys. . You never know whose on some of these boards but it sounded to me like the guy new alot about the inner workings and probaly flipped. Like someone said they moved over to staten. But so did all the luchese guys. Teddy jr is out n a yr or 2 he'll be back in the fold

Think last colombo to flip was that guy ray something 2010 11. The bonannos had 2 or 3 guys flip in the last few yrs they didnt do shit to really get anyone indicted but a crew or 2. Luchese have this 1 guy from staten island ready to go against crea and them. Gambino and genovese both havnt had any one since 10yrs. The springfield guys but all they did was rat on each other and artie nigro

They actually are stil active in Bensonhurst and Dyker Heights a lot more activity than I thought.

A lot of petty B.S. small dollar loan sharking, selling pills, coke


They haven't had a Charismatic leader on the streets in a long time since they took out Wild Bill
They do have some capable younger guys however, they are way in the shadows

Wild Bill was cosa nostra to core he was a leader and had a HUGE following

Mush Russo tried to bring everyone back into the fold however, he used that meat head Anthony Russo,

Def more going on in S.I. than B.K.

Maybe things will change with SNAKE GONE,

Allie will be the official Boss and Russo is probably the acting boss, if he isn't already retired. The Persico's rule the Colombo's and that doesn't change just because Carmine is dead.

Just my 2 cents i dont think the other 4 famiies would allow the official boss tittle to go from carmine to his son doing life. I think barney,cefulo, and mancuso would kibosh it. This is there time to flex there boss power. 3 official on the street and the luchese have a street boss in brooklyn. It will be probaly another relative even as a figure head. But i dont think the other families ok it.

Will get the full story by xmis

So barney,Cefalù and Mancuso will appoint Teddy jr as boss?
I think that for the other families doesnt matter who have the boss title because its enought that there are someone on the streets which made meetings and take decosina on common rackets.
Plus would be better for them that the colombo remain weak.
I lost my blackhand account but I saw that the family had 9 capos and more or less 100 made men.

Not saying it will not be Teddy but he is very reckless and has bad judgment and did not mingle with any of the bosses that are now the heads of the families.

All the bosses knew the guys that are running the family ( now ) and Allie .

If Teddy is put up it may be the end as we know it of the Colombo’s . He has a habit of letting new guys get close let alone the guys that get pinched and rat that he has no control over.

Interesting info, I was thinking Mush Russo was the new boss but being in his 80's might work against him, however he is Persico blood.

He was recorded saying that the life is all for him and that will continue to be a wiseguy until his dead,so no retirement.

End of the day whoever is still powerfull in that family theres a few old capos will have a vote for boss. Theres no way allie still has that much pull to make capos on the street vote him in as boss well hes never coming home. Your only as strong as your boss why make the boss official when hes never getting out. I think vinny gorgeous tried to become the official boss of the bonannos and he couldnt they elected mike nose in 2005 then vinny wanted him dead that guy cicale was saying

It probaly is russo unless he didnt want it maybe he thinks someone younger who he respects would be more suited for it.

I agree but stranger things have happened and that’s one reason why Teddy may and if they the skippers that is and others will put someone else up .

I know that when Michael gets out he is out of Brooklyn he is moving but that’s a different story there.

No way Andy Russo is retired. Only time he'll be retired is when his life expires. He's in the same mold as Carmine Persico.

I have a feeling he's Acting Boss. Guy has been at the top or near the top for many decades. He's the most logical choice as acting boss despite his age. He was around during the heyday of the mob.

That guy joel waverly gets out soon. But will probaly be on parole for 5yrs. That guy dennis delucia, ben claw, teddy persico. Some of this guys are up in age but all there sons n nephews are inducted. Shit tommy shots gets out in like 3 yrs

Is there a recent chart ofthem on here? Slap it up furio

I only have this:




For a text chart ask blackhand forum members.

After seeing this chart, assuming it’s accurate the Columbos aren’t in as bad of shape as I suspected. Of course only assuming the chart is accurate. Thank you all for the input.

Yes is accurate.The Colombo start rebuilding after had the permission in the early 2000s to made new people. Plus Andy Russo was able to convince what that was de facto independent crews to turn into the family ranks or turn to give a share of their rackets to the Colombos.

There you go ....

And the blood that follows him and the others are all in.

Now you can bet that they are organized and taking care of Teddy because Teddy may not fall in line if it’s not blood at the top , he will always be a problem or or he may finally settle down after being in the joint half his life , so I’m sure the head of the family is getting everything inline before he hits the street and bet your ass the only two people he will listen to is Michael and Allie and possibly another cousin I will not name.

Before Tommy shots got pinched he had a hell of a crew of guys and most of them are on the street and know the life .

There are a few older skippers in the family that have crews and those skippers have been teaching a shit load of guys through the years and with the guys getting out , that family has been quiet and just earning.

After looking at that chart i would think between the long island guys and guys who were orena guys and even the old persico loyalists they would vote for a guy on the street or they look like abunch of assholes naming a guy doing life. Im sure theyll still have alot of sway in the family but this is there chance to stabilize there family after carmine was in jail 30yrs

Theyre not gonna name Allie Boy as the new boss. No way. Makes no sense. If they're smart they pick somebody who is on the street and not too old. maybe Uvino or Amato.

Pmac and Ralphie : Agreed , and they will need all the blood of the family to vote that way or else it’s going back to blood and like you said Allie would not be a good choice and nor would Teddy .

There a few guys that should get it and a couple are blood but they are on the street and the couple that are not blood should get it also.


It’s really good for that family right now that the information is not on the street yet . Look how fast everyone knew who was filling in for the Gambinos a week after Cali’s shooting.....I give the Colombo’s props for keeping the family hush hush.

I think all of us may have been giving the slip. Through my research, carmine may have officially taken a step back sometime before 2009; in 2009 the judge ordered Allie boy not to have any communications with criminals. So if this is true either an official boss may have been chosen as early as 2009

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pressreader.com/usa/new-york-daily-news/20090608/282553014209452&ved=2ahUKEwiI6Mi8yJnkAhVn1lkKHU9dB60QFjAHegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw37FBxD7GofHkmAIP3d1H75&cshid=1566583450515

My bad with the link, anyway in 2019 my money is on joseph amato to be boss

In my opinion, Andy Russo was made official boss back in 2009, he could have taking a step back due to age which would leave his son billy Russo or Joseph amato or both at the top, respectfully my opinion of course

I bet on Teddy Jr.

Is Angelo spata capo now?

I posted years back Carmine was not the Carmine you all see in pictures.....he was a old man and the last few years he had nothing to do with anything other then daughters and grandchildren going to see him .

It must be ten years since the families went to see him and some of the guys that were close ,they would all go down south near him and golf and fish and even had there boats there but that been years only close family has been there lately.

I don’t know but after Allie got life it kind of changed for what I gathered.

He won’t last if they do .... look at his record....even his cousins and he has a lot in the life we’re not close to him only a few would even go out with him.

To appease the persico clan im sure teddy would have a high position. Throw some slander around i bet michael was inductes before he started his prison sentence for being loyal to the colombo family since he was a kid. Probaly goes straight into tommy Gambino type retirement once hes freed

The farese guy who was consig is married to allie boy sr. Daughter. He must also be in the fold

I read an article about Angelo spata that said when he was an associate, he got busted with a group and all of them had sweet plea deals and because Angelo didn't accept his deal it canceled everyone else's, they said he was allowed to do this because he was apart of the persico clan; that's a lot of power for an associate. So I believe an persico loyalist is pulling the strings.


Remember, theirs rumors that Michael persico was inducted years earlier, it's possible he could have been a capo that was direct with the boss and when he get out he could be admin.

Whistling toe tapping, eyes rolling !!!

I dig your style...lol

Is it possible that for the first time in a long time we have or will have 4 of the 5 official bosses on the streets concurrently?

Sonny fransese was on tape in 2006 saying michael was super important he wouldnt go into detail with the guy taping him cause he was only a associate. Greg scarpa said he was made in the late 80tys . I think he is. Chins kid is the one who just went to prison. Kids super rich. Atleast persico made his own money from real estate to bagels and limos. Hes made i say. The spata guy was released by mikey scars as a gift to allie boy. Guess hes married to a daughter of carmines

Yep and if amuso dies 5

Yes same name as Allie’s daughter......Carmine ‘s brother Allie that is.

They don’t have zips per say in the family....but they have been bringing blood over and for many years .....now don’t blow this out of proportion just saying they have lots of family you don’t know about.

And they also have a lot of blood males that are in early twenties and mid twenties that were teens back last time the family was really looked into.

It doesn't matter what the other four families think, it's none of their business, it's Colombo business. Carmine appoints who ever he wants to replace him and we all know he'll chose Allie.

Neo you may be right. Im thinking the family would reject carmines decision to choose his son whose doing life and been in jail since 99. Hes been in 20yrs now. Even if carmine tried to i dont think the family capos would listen. They definitely choose a new official boss after snakes death. Will be finding out soon when the next indictment comes down.

Quick search of bop. Andy russo been a free man sknce 2013 hes currently 85yrs old. I dont know depending on his health and mind. Hes been the strongest capo in the colombo family in the last 20yrs maybe will bill could have given him a threat. But theres no other guy in there family with his type of respect. He had the power according to the feds to induct that guy larry sessa in a prison cell. Back in 2011. He probaly was boss back then.

Shit I forgot Allie has been away for that long. 20 years is a long time. Okay realistically Carmine would have to consider someone else.

The capo's don't get to chose an official boss, the previous boss chooses his successor. There is a reason Peter Gotti is still the official boss of the Gambino family, if in name only, it's called Cosa Nostra rules and only a boss can choose his successor. The Gambino's got around that rule by electing a "acting" boss while excluding Peter Gotti in all family decisions.

Yeah I'm picking Andy as well and he was probably the boss back in 2011. Carmine possibly made him boss shortly after Allie got sent away.

20yrs off the street his powers gone. Hes probaly in a book club and president of the gin rummy club .

Runs the 2 for 1 from canteen

Yep. Allie went away when he was still relatively young in his mid-40's. I hope it was all worth it.

Makes you wonder. Hes a smart guy everone says, after the first mistrial in the wild bill murder trial did he ask his lawyers to try a plea maybe 15yrs or something. I bet he thought about it. He had a dream team of NYC mafia lawyers. They could have got it done. Jack deross got a bad deal. Hr was convicted just because he took wild bills place as underboss. He didnt order the murder 1. Hes not the boss or acting boss. Weve learned tommy gioeli got the order and his crew did the work. How they convicted deross is a head scratcher. He new about it sure but is that murder??

They were both convicted with little to none ..... Jackie was because he asked for something Wild Bill had that was the families, it was the times when they were convicting everyone in the mob .....the people now are wise to Governments shit.

The government doesn’t like the Persico’s name and will do anything to get them and that’s why Teddy will be set up so fast if boss .

If Allie and Jackie were on trial now Jackie would get off and Allie would of pleaded out to 7-10 years.

Jackie lawyer should have been more forthcoming. But i think he was old school and told his lawyer dont admit shit. Today the lawyer would have started with yes jackie is a member of the mafia there will be countless witnesses who tell you this . Theyll also tell you he wasnt the boss of the family who can only order another members murder. He was a soldier and capo making money for his wife n kids but thats it. Blah blah blah ect.

And he would have won. The lawyer would admit to saying jackie was sent to wild bills wife to get his loan sharking book and tell the jury what a foul human wild bill was. Why you think he was named wild bill he had many enemies all over nyc ect. Im bored . Case closed

The lawyer should also say the boss sent him to the wifes house or else hed be killed. Take out the d.a.s case

Moe would be here talking abunch of shit about this defense but it true. Hed get off in this day

You can't throw the boss under the bus like that and why in the hell was an undergoes was sent to collect a book??? I don't think Allie boy was too smart

True but the attorney wouldn’t word shit like we do and it happens all the time, then there Jackie being family.

Some rumors or infos from the mob experts on who is the new boss?

How differently can an attorney word it?

"Somebody else...I'm not saying who.....just somebody else.....sent word to my client to visit Mr Cutolo's wife and collect his shy book."

There is only so many people that can order a capo (at the time) like DeRoss to do something. One is Allie and the other is Cutolo (who obviously was dead at that point).

What happened to "the family have a lot of buffers"

I get what you are saying but it happens in that life more then you think and even if it two solders or nightclub owner most time one of them have the books and many times it just so happens that many are not involved in the murder or disappearance , so yeah you can spin it different ways .

You know people in that life that are married in like a wife she is told from the get go to hand stuff over or don’t ever and it sounds like Wild Bills knew the ropes and most likely all the family in the house could have .

It just went the way it did.

Give me an example of someone that got given money-making rackets of guy that just got hit, even though they had no involvement in the hit? I can't think of anyone who got given money-making rackets of a dead man even though they weren't involved in the hit.

There are endless guys ..... almost every racket belongs to the family and many that did for example, like a restaurant guys will borrow money and then that belongs to the shy thats the shy the money per say the family.

Many know when a guy is in trouble or headed for trouble in the family and guys will borrow cash just in case the guy gets hit ,and if he does the soldier or soldiers are hoping it never made it into the shy book so if he gets hit there is no pay back on the loan.

Almost nothing goes with the person....most everything goes to the family ( LCN ) not blood.

But all this is for a different thread .

some internet mafia researcher started a thecolombomafia.com its worth a read if your a reader. him and the lcnbios guy have very cool sites. open to the public to

I say Andrew Russo must be retired now, he's 86, maybe an advisor at best. ; l believe Michael persico is the boos now...but who is watching the shop while he's gone, billy russo???

Guessing andy russo and probaly his son billy doing the day to day. Andy like you say if his mind is still rite the final say

I belive michael persico is made but he just does his brothers biddding. Handles all the legit stuff. But that 5yrs or 4 whatever he got might make him go 100percent legit. No a guy like him couldnt be boss for the same reason tommy gambino couldnt be boss. Like gotti said tommy gambinos a gentleman a class act but no boss. Something like that. Then shitbag sammy the bull in his book calls tommy gambino a dress maker when fucking gravano was a hair stylist WTF. not even a barber a hair stylist weird.

They must be doing some type of surveillance or checking for wires or something is different because nobody knows nothing other then they been making guys . And the old chart of course.

There are a bunch of guys that were not street guys that were made and did not need everyone knowing....there are / were plenty of earners that have never known to be made .

And of course if you think anyone is going to the joint that’s at the top of the family even if he doesn’t want it is not made before going away for years is not made you are crazy.


Just for the other made guys and associates that would try to extort the shit out of them and of course if the guy is made and from another family and wants to go after MP then he can .....no way he is not protected by the family......no way he is a sitting duck.

thats what im saying. fat tony inducted jimmy napoli in the late 70tys because he was going to prison and fat tony wanted no made guys from other familys fucking with him. he was like the biggest numbers guy in nyc and into the broadway play scene with his wife or something. think this came from fish cafaro. mike persico must have been the bank just like chins kid in that mansion with 3 million in cash that the feds said was a genovese slush fund. mike was the guy surplying tghe 100k loans to his cousins who were doing the collections. they had him on tape telling one of his cousins not to hurt the guy physically. but the russo's snuck over his house well he was on house arrest for them 5yrs awaiting his appeals on that plea deal. got inducted in his bathroom fact lol

lol, good point

Does anyone know who were the hang-arounds accompanying Angelo Spata at his hearing/trial? Are they just family or are connected?

ya he calls him a dress maker but forgets to add he own the garment district in nyc from from like 1960 till present day even thou its in other family members names. while sammy was the inspiration for dont mess with the zohan

the fat guy smoking is his brother vincent

The fat guy looks like a persico

They might be grooming spata to be boss one day, they take care of that guy

Michael Persico doesn’t need to be made though, right? I mean he can remain as an associate so the feds can’t charge him as a made member, so when he gets busted he gets lighter sentences... like the Genovese did with guys like Ponte.

But because he’s a Persico he’s not really a true associate in the sense that he’d report to a solider, he’d report directly to Allie Boy and the other admin members, or even work alongside them. I mean, who’s gonna fuck with a Persico regardless if he has stripes or not? His name alone signals he has the whole family behind him and whatever he does was ordered by the boss.

I’m a Butcher.

Is there really that many persicos that are made/ in the life? Idk too much about them but it seems like they have a small army just between their blood family.

I was reading the guy who writes the colombo blog. Tommy shots had a nice run from 98 to 2008. Read his article on him tons of insite. I think after massino and vitale flipped he said fuck it him and sonny franzese made abunch of guys all over long island. They had that place locked up. Im working taking a shit type more later

Not really, but you also have cousins,in-laws, uncles , second cousins and it goes deep ! and there are a lot . They also been bringing family over from Italy for years and years .

But as far as Persico’s sir name goes in the crime family it’s dying off at the top and started with Allie.

Ask Pmac even the woman Persico’s there for the family....they don’t fuck with there men to get out ....they are all in.

Yea they all seem to believe in the life. Especially the females and wives I follow a lot of them on social media and it seems like they all support eachother and look out for eachother. Now are all the russos mobbed up too? I know they are cousins and it seems like there’s a lot of them as well.

I read that same shit about Tommy shots whoever it is that wrote that did a great job. Tommy is the real deal veryow key and not afraid to off someone. It blows my mind that he’s actually going to get out of prison At a decent age after all the murders he was involved in..especially the rob dols hit being that he was a cop so what do u think he gets out and jumps back into things or he pulls away and lives out his life getting chubby in Miami?

Ya that dude does he research. He was wriiting tommy shots shakedowns of bookies was always split with the persicos even as 2008. On a 10k tribute tommy shots would give 5k to angelo spata to bring to the fam. Makes me think maybe allie is the boss. Weird to transfer the top spot to a guy doing natural life. Like almost makes it like a aryan brotherhood mexican mafia thing. I would guess other familys wouldnt appove. Tommy shots was the real deal he posted a recent picture of him. Looks healthy might .make it home. Also allie boy had the power to install ralph deleo as boss a boston guy over brooklyn guys crazy. He even demoted that guy benjamin the claw who made alot more money then his bullshit about living in a trailer park in new jersey. Guy was shaking down unions bookies card games. Had alot of dough

This has been a great thread, very informative and lots of good solid opinions backed with reasons to support the opinions. I've got a new opinion on the family based on the thread. It may be the smallest and youngest family with a lot of intra family turmoil in the past. Since Carmine took over and won the war with Orena they don't seem to get the credit as I think they deserve as a stable family. I also think they're not as much a modern crime family but more "Old School" with more gangsters than criminals. I'm betting the other families wouldn't want to start with them since I doubt they have the balls the Columbo's do. Just my opinion.

You should research the boss Andrew russo, his story is just as interesting if not more than carmines...his family almost single handedly kept the persico's in power