Mob Talk 32

https://youtu.be/0VXByh_vUI8

Two shit stains lying about people

For all the stuff they say or get info from Feds or LE they still don’t know how those guys got made other the Joey (Electric) do they and others think that Skinny had anything to do with the making Sal or Persiano.

If those guys don’t know that shit they are just guessing what they are told , and that’s just one thing in hundreds.

I don’t even hear it here .

I’m pretty sure Persiano and Piccolo were originally with Nicky Jr.

Yep ! But those two put out a mob show , do they not realize tha Jr. and Skinny and Sr. and Chuckie all wanted each other dead , so why would Skinny or the Philly family under Skinny make them ....( he or they didn’t)...I understand them not knowing what the fuck is going on but how do they know all that other bullshit but not who and whom made who.

My guess is southern new jersey is philly turf. Merlino made a beef and the luchese turned whatever was left of nick jr crew over to philly. He got 30yrs. The new jersey capo perna probaly didnt want those guys. It makes no sense merlino and ligambi inducting them when there part of nick jrs crew in ac

Persiano and Piccolo were with Nicky Jr out of AC, somehow and someway they ended up with Philly LCN . I can’t see Skinny or Uncle Joe making them....

They did not ...but someone moved them into that wing of the family and I am surprised uncle Joe went for it unless that’s what Joe was talking about in those tapes that are out there ( that they are to wait till ***** gets home )

But why do the mob reporters know all that shit they post on YouTube but they don’t know the real life shit ?? If the have people inside they would know the truth about so much shit ....but they don’t.

Maybe philly took whatever was left of scarfo jrs crew to punish him and make sure no one was left around AC looking over his interests. Or just to take whatever he had built up down there. Basically like when a motorcycle club goes in to a new town and just patches over everyone too make the club stronger. Put the fear of god in them and make them pledge allegiance to the philly fam. Scarfos gone your with us now

I think that guy persiano will try to reach out to george or mayo face and give his side of the story seems like thw turncoats in philly always run to the press and give there story. Horsehead, crow, crazy phil, tommy del, harry hunch, veasey, privite, bent finger, theres more. He'll want his time in the sun.

It seem like ac is very important to Philly, is it possible that they have a capo controlling that territory

If u look at The Borgata bust Mikey Lance was the Capo at the time .

The guy joe electric was recorded saying his capo told him stay out of AC. I belive he was told not even his legit construction work. No heat. Someones making money there

Joey Electrics Capo is Scoops Licata

Some guys are better at the life then others , just like in our life .

Have no doubt there are guys making money in a money area .....they run out of guys before they run out of real estate because there is tons of cash in tri-state area.

Electric was a bottom racket feeder as so was Anthony P. they are not the only ones but bet there are guys doing well.

All goes back to no one around to pass down rackets and nobody around to teach the ropes .

Whatever about Schratwieser, but you're talking about George Anastasia, right? Respected journalist and author who has covered the crime beat in Philly for so many years and published many critically esteemed books?

Cut the guy some slack!

I thought DG was his capo? According to the tapes he refers to his captain as ‘the kid’. I’m not saying you’re wrong because I know you know your shit but just curious for your answer

Ravens, from the paperwork, dg is the capo of the rat ..scoops is electrics capo,,,so that line was about Persiano capo...listen, these reporters talk to feds ..and street guys..they are told by both sides whatever they want to hear..no different than....any of us on here that may know either side ..for the most part , they have some good many times not ground breaking or anything but not always the usual stuff...

Thanks, Biggie. I appreciate it

Yeah no doubt Moe just saying , I am really more surprised that it was kept quiet all these years . But it’s more amazing that all the years I have never seen the truth posted and there are some sharpe guys on here and the other site. But tell you what two guys here knew it and PM me over the years ....I never told them if they were right or wrong but they were right for all the people that do this for a living two guys here hit it right or they are very close to these guys.



Up in the Catskills it’s beautiful up here and in 50’s over night ...loving this.

Yes, DG was AP’s Capo. DG was also not only Sammy’s Nephew but also his Capo.

Appears that DG got stuck with Nicky Jr’s old guys out of AC for whatever reason.

Scott’s article on GR says Joe stepped down from acting boss for Joey and retired and the party commemorated that. Also said new acting is Borgesi. Mayo and GA have previously said Borgesi wasn’t active

https://gangsterreport.com/saying-g...-as-acting-don-of-philly-mob-per-report/

So it’s like the weather person.....partly cloudy, some sun, clouds and sun , some clouds with sun .

Merlino is boss and they do good at feeding missinfomation to the press. Keep them guessing making stuff up. Uncle joe didnt retire at 65 why would he at 80. Think the family threw him a party cause they respect him. He held it together for 20yrs. The feds must know who is in the administration if the guy persiano was inducted in the last few years. They just cant build a good case with what he told them.

Lmao I don’t get it a few weeks ago GA and mayo face had borghesi as not active or involved and now this week they say he’s acting boss. I think there’s a lot more stuff going on in Philly than they want us to believe

Here's the question, do Philly have both an street boss and acting boss?

Borgesi isn’t 57

George A. and Dave said Borgesi has stepped away and gone legit - they aren't the ones making the claim that he is the new acting boss. Scott's new article (that someone linked above) is where the claim of George Borgesi being the new acting boss came from. I enjoy reading Scott's site and his book on Leonetti was terrific, however I would take a lot of the things he posts about modern day Philly LCN with a grain of salt.

He may or may not have someone connected feeding him information, but I think there are a lot of things that he speculates about just like we do. He has Narducci and Joe Pung active (and both as captains) when many of the very reputable and knowledgeable Philly posters here and on the other site claim that Narducci and Pung are not involved. There is also the matter of Merlino introducing Mikey Lance to the Genovese guys as "the boss of Philadelphia" which would make you believe that Lance is the acting or street boss for Joey.

To go with that, they have been saying for months on their Mob Talk show that Borgesi is inactive from family affairs and is making cash from legitimate means, essentially putting himself on the shelf. Why would you need two acting bosses for a family they claim doesn't have that much going on? I think there is a chance Borgesi has moved back up into the administration, but it would seem more likely to me that he would fill Ligambi's empty consigliere role (a position he held before their 2001 racketeering conviction).

I think that finally after all these years of everyone knowing everything about them that today even the feds don't know the administration in Philly. They probably wouldn't have a clue on Mikey Lance if it wasn't for Rubeo, and even then the only other thing they know is Merlino. We don't know for sure who the underboss and consigliere are. George A. and Dave say that all of these powerful guys like Johnny Chang, Stevie Mazzone, and Borgesi have stepped back and gone completely legit. Chickie Chang came out after 30 years and jumped right back in, so why would Johnny walk away now? I just don't buy it. I think they finally understand the need to keep some things a secret and maybe are using smoke and mirrors regarding who is active/inactive or who has what position.

Like someone else said, two years ago Dave was on Fox 29 saying the Philly mob "was back" and as strong as the end of the Scarfo era with 35+ made guys on the streets. You've got all of these top-level guys out on the streets, with the family at it's largest size in over 30 years, and now it's gone legit with them claiming there is nothing to run in Philly?

Misinformation as a tactic. That’s what this sounds like. Also a good way to find a leak, flush some bs and see where it comes out.

Pmac : AP has been made for a while not just a couple years.

Joe Tadaro : dam right he is active

I have not posted this just because of the nature of it .... and also a friend ask me not to but it’s close to being or is out already and sure some locals know Lance has been sick like he was a while back so there is someone in his spot and I don’t think the party at Memories was a retirement party but I am sure that would be the best reason for it keeping regular folks guessing just like George being legit.

I don’t know the severity of Lance illness but I will say this it’s as bad as it gets in the things you can get.

George A is stupid and Schratwieser is stupid and an alcoholic. No idea why any of yous listen to a word they say.

So if you believe Joe L is retired andSkinny has taken a backseat and Lance is out or temporary out then you have several new guys up .

Then of course you have several new acting skippers .

This may be bad if the guys that are moved up want to be aggressive in business, unless Skinny can keep them down.

But one thing is most likely that Skinny will not be having words or anything else with anyone. The guys that can put Skinny away for life are in top spots or semi retired .

Mazzone is sitting and has someone in front of him most likely blood .

Ciancaglini ‘s & Faffy must be in a top spot .

This A.P. wonder if he has given what was needed because with all this going on and non of it was leaked , very very unusual for the Feds not knowing who is who .

Shit you have ten guys at the top of the family, now either half of them are retired or Philly has a shit load of capable associates under.

I believe Philly is making more money then people think

You would think by some of the cars the guys drive, the clothes they wear, the restaurants/bars they go to, the vacations they take , the money they drop gambling like it’s nothing, and the Real Estate they own in their wives names, etc...

Dante my wife and I spend 200,000 a year and we scale it down and that’s with mortgages , no gambling just living and traveling, no designer clothes and the wife does have some expensive stuff but trust me it’s very minimal . But there are children grandchildren and great grandchildren the travel for that is 50g or more a year.

They ( guys that are bosses and skippers) are spending as much but going out three times of what we do . And one night out at good spots can easily be a thousand.

Cars are 50,000 and up insurance on all our autos is 12,000 a year that’s private autos nothing to do with business .... it’s crazy when you add it all up.

Thats what happens when you have a good economy thanks to Donald J Trump but a shithead governor Tom Wolf and a even bigger shit smear in our soda taxing commie Mayor

Geez ,Serp…, What the f..ck u do 4 a living..or did...that's a lot of $$...I know..I know,,,,u probably still take numbers down there in the south jersey area...good man...talk 2 Philip lately??...just kiddin'...I don't expect u 2 answer that...

Hood : been working since a child , was very lucky my father and uncle left us very profitable business that I sold to my long time superintendent. The business was not gravy work and I worked every day until my 60’s and I was very lucky to have a right hand man that was honest because without great employees you are in trouble and it was / is a union shop so it was not always a cash cow but I had a great start with lots of assets , the business was much bigger in 60’s then today but bigger is not always profitable so we downsized through the yeas and it paid off.

Speaking of Philly, in the North end of Boston tonight and Shawn Vetere is in here holding court

What exactly does holding court mean? Like did he have a crew around him listening to his every whim? I’m under a strong impression Shawn won’t even j walk, so I’m interested as to what that means

Some sarcasm mixed in there, nah he was at the bar at Bricco with a few guys.

ok, i figured that, thought maybe you meant he was with boston guys or what not...

No not that I recognized.

Hasnt been a story about anything in Boston since salemmi trial.

If its the same guy, this dude has a linkedin and it appears a legit corporate job (maybe union)? Based on the picture it appears to be him? So hes a made guy in Boston that reports to Borgesi?

From what I understand hes part of a crew that are made and operating in Boston under Borgesi.......Someone with more knowledge could probably verify that better than I could.

It's interesting since Anthony, Carmen, and Matty G are all out and on the streets the administration is clearly in place. I wonder who took the Consigliere spot after Achille passed if you believe that Carmen is at the top and Matty UB. I guess it could be Anthony or Spucky

I'm shocked Angelesco has been out of the news, courts and jail

It has to be someone in Boston. They're all dinosaurs in RI.

Come on Georgie has gone legitimate and does nothing.....😝

Well, reports were Anthony Parillo was the consigliere before going away for being an idiot and Lato is out he could be consigliere material as a reward but I agree it's probably a Boston guy

Maybe Georgie Boy really is the acting boss now that Mikey Lance is having medical issues again. I was skeptical when I first read it but at the time I didn't know Lancelotti was sick.

And has been for a while, it was funny that the mob experts had him being a good boy and they were / are soooo far off.

Maybe the philly guys put out The Who Georgie has gone legit BS a few months ago knowing that he was going to be upped to acting boss to try and throw things off. Lol idk but good try

Hopefully PA comes through again in 2020.

Serp, it seems like that info you posted about Mikey Lance has spread pretty quick! It looks like whoever runs a certain mob website reads this forum - it just so happens that right after you posted that the top story on their website is about George Borgesi being the new acting boss in Philly. The article also cites information about Lance being sick, and I haven't seen that posted anywhere else or by anyone but you.

https://aboutthemafia.com/is-george-borgesi-the-new-acting-boss-of-the-philadelphia-mafia

I was told a longtime ago by someone very close to him and another that hangs with many of them .... but I was asked to keep quiet.
So I did till i herd people at the bar talking about it and I knew it was just a matter of a couple weeks before it hit the news.

Yeah all kinds of people are here mostly a lot of youngsters but then there is the others .

Most people talk about sports while propping up the bar. People in Philly talk about the mob? WTF? I would've thought that anyone in that life wouldn't talk about their business in a public place in earshot of other people under penalty of death. And I would've thought the American mafia is a completely obscure and weird topic for people to talk about casually in a social setting, a dangerous thing too if someone overheard them spreading gossip.

I will never understand Philly mob culture. I could never see this happening in NY.

Is his sickness serious?

Hopefully.

First you are way off...

Next it was about health and it was all neighborhood guys and had nothing to do with crime it had to do with doctor appointments.

It has nothing to do with NY , Philly , Boston , Detroit it’s a North East neighborhood thing ..... we grew up in this .

And it’s not made guys sharing family business......it’s regular neighborhood talk and always has been and always will be.



Big Fella check your PM

Don’t know but his neighborhood knows and has for a while and also a couple years back.give or take.

Serp you seem to have a good grasp on the Philly scene. And this is sort of off topic but I wanted to know if you've ever heard anything in passing on this. In Rhode Island there's a south Philly guy who owns a restaurant in Westerly,RI. I'm friendly with him and like every other neighborhood guy no matter what city your from, you claim to know someone. In his case, Skinny Joe. There was an article a year or so ago mentioning his restaurant was a meeting place for Philly/Providence guys. And I know a few girls who work/worked there also saying there were plenty of nights that he had guys from back home at the restaurant. Again, its second hand.

Idk if you know the guy I'm talking about, but if you do, is he/his spot legit?

I go back and forth. He was sued by another famous Philly restaurant guy who owns a spot in Ft Laudy because he copied his concept. You def know who I mean. So I can't tell if the guy is full of sh*t or not.

If this is true does anyone want to guess which spot Mazzone holds, it seems he's been part of the top three for years

moe
i think you misread serp, i dont think he said george or anyone was talking in a bar, he means people were .right serp..cuz no fuckin way geroge was in a bar talking, no way...lance is fine, all of you are 6 7 months behind, he had treatments from early winter til late spring, now done and is doing fine.....lymphoma

marble, check pm pls

Oh, okay.

Does the name of the business have the word ( Airport ) in it ?

Right on Biggie

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No it doesn't

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Then no I don’t

Hopefully his cancer is serious? You sick fuck. Hopefully your mother doesn't develop cervical cancer from her HPV.

That's a revolting way to talk about your own mother, PhillyGuys.

I dunno what is going on here but this is disgusting..... PhillyGuys earned himslf a week off and Moe Tilden got himself a month. These kinds of flaming are childish and have no place here on the GBB.

When will you guys learn...the boss said to keep everything to a low roar

Well if Lance takes a step back as he has and Joe L taking a step back and Skinny most likely will be down south and Stevie M back peddling and young Chang suppose taking a step back that leaves room for a lot of guys to move up.

Dom if the Feds did not completely blow that case with AP then Dom will be out of the picture for some years .

So Philly will be keeping guys like Faffy and Chang sr. at top of the family as long as they will want but I hear that Faffy has a reason to slow down but who knows.

That means new people being made down the road if all that ends up permanent.

Are the guys really cool with Skinny being in Florida all the time? Kicking up to a guy you never see has got to bother some of those guys in the trenches. I wouldn't be all that surprised if Dom took over the whole thing eventually.

Never know, until there is a powerful skipper willing to flex or till Skinny no longer wants the bullseye then it looks like status quo .

Always that chance he has moved someone up to acting boss and will take less of a cut . Will not know till someone way up flips or LE gets a wire on someone running there mouth .

The last pinch with Skinny and the Westside was Skinny boss or acting boss , or was he a skipper ?

He did go to NY and say Lance is his guy , sodid that mean Lance is acting boss or acting skipper for Skinny .

Very unusual for a boss to go to another town and mingle at party’s now a high level meeting with just a boss different story.

When the indictment comes on Dom those questions may possibly be answered if LE did not fuck up using AP .

Moe is the Sean Avery/Kenny Linseman of this site. He certainly earned his vacation:)

At the last trial they said skinny was a capo

Philly is deep, I hope someone becomes boos that's not known to the public...thats what I would do

Was stains at ligambi's party?
And why is mouse being held at fdc Philadelphia?

The guys lie for a living and many new guys are fucked with and are told a lot of shit . These days are different with the boss then it was before the 80’s.

I don’t know when the public will find out the truth who is who and what is what , they even had a rumor that there was no structure and it was every man for himself for some time .

You can tel LE doesn’t know because you would know..... so it’s wait for someone high up to flip because AP may not know if Skinny and Joe L had a arrangement maybe there was a third .


You never know till you know.

I also think DAs use this language because it comports a certain exotic criminal element to the defendant that sounds better than calling him "the boss." Remember that it was a jury trial, so the first thing the defense attorney did during jury selection was ask every juror if they had ever heard of Joey Merlino, knew anything about the Mafia, or had any interest in mob lore. So did the jury see the old-school mafia chart about where Skinny stood in the family? No chance. So the prosecutor said he was involved in organized crime and used a term ("capo") that sounds a lot more dangerous to your average civilian than "boss." After all, your boss is not involved in organized crime, but a "capo" might be.

They were trying to clip him for fraud and gambling. Who's more guilty of that--the boss or the capo?

Your explanation is not valid because in 2019 everyone knows what the mafia is; and everyone can relate to a boss, most of us hate them...but I believe the average person dose'nt know what a capo is so its not a minus or plus

so glad they are finally showing the rat Anthony Persiano's picture. he is scum

Persiano is a rat scumbag who dimed out his own "friends" he always said he "hated rats and he was a man's man" hopefully in prison he will become a "man's man"

THE RAT AND HIS RAT LYING STEALING BUDDIES - THAT'S ALL THEY DID WAS SCAM PEOPLE - THAT MONEY THE RAT PERSIANO STOLE IS WHAT HE MOST LIKELY USED TO OPEN HIS RESTAURANT - BUT IT'S UNDER HIS WIFE'S NAME WHO ALSO USES 3 DIFFERENT NAMES - I DONT BLAME HER ONE BIT, SHE MUST BE HORRIFIED AT WHAT HER HUBBY GOT THEM INTO.

THE LEADER RAT AP IS IN THE MIDDLE - JUST AFTER THEY STOLE MONEY FROM A "CUSTOMER"

The guy on the left was in and out and has changed his life , not that it gives him a pass and he was nowhere as bad as AP he is a productive restaurant owner down here at the shore and I won’t post his name because he is not made and has totally went straight his but he was around Jr. and J.P. and a bunch of us that just hang out .

Mayo face made a video and told about how those guys got made . It’s not completely right but they did finally find out what I told you guys about months and months ago .

Don’t know if I posted it but I PM it to a bunch of you guys how they were made and the old Philly guy did it for Nick sr. years back .

That is that.

Dear Serp,
I need on that VIP PM (if u don’t mind)...hope I qualify

I got you .... but it’s a bunch of us locals that have a few things in common.

But if you look back in my posts you can see pretty much what mayo face said .

From a macro perspective I have to say I don't understand how rats are any worse than non-rats. They are all morally reprehensible people. They all, more often than not, spend insufficient time in prison compared to the gravity of their crimes and impact on society. They're a necessary evil because without them it would've been harder to break the mafia's stranglehold and their crimes would be even harder to prosecute.

Again, looking at it from a macro perspective. I've never seen a mobster in my life unless I passed them on the street, so the animus towards rats I don't get.

If I was a criminal with a street code, then yes I would hate them, but I'd also have the self-awareness to know my morals are different to John from Accounting or Helen from Human Resources.

I don't know if there's ever been a research paper done on how many rats reoffend, but it has to be very little. For every Casso or Gravano, there are twenty guys like Leonetti or D'Arco.

Is it not a good thing when people are offered the chance to be rehabilitated and reintroduced into society?

@$erpiente...who was the old Philly guy that made them?

Every time I read that someone has gone "legit", I hark back to Junya's thoughts about mob retirement in The Sopranos: "what's this, the navy we're in?"

Even if I could I would never tell it .

I guess it's an issue because these were big boys that were all grown up and able to make a decision about their lives. So they knew very well what they got into and decided to dedicate their life to a life outside of ordinary society. And then when they get caught, they sell out everything they claimed they "used" to believed in and f*cks it all up for a guy who were smart enough to not get caught. To me, that's just a rotten and spineless personality.
Also I can't help but to feel that most guys who turned because there was a contract out on them or "they thought they would be killed" only say so to justify their ends or to convince the public that they had no choice so they're not really a rat.

The only rat I have respect for is James Calandra from the Bath Avenue crew. He told it like it was and didn't sugarcoat it.
I think he said something in the line of
"Yeah I ratted. I went to prison. Kept my mouth shut and when i get out everybody turns on me all of a sudden. Guys, ratted on me. Even the higher ups started turning. What am I going to do be a sucker?"

@serpiente...i respect that, but it had to be an old guy that was still active and in good graces with the merlino faction or they would have been shelved long ago

I have a question......So after reading about all the making ceremonies they've done or doing. How is it possible that Merlino gave permission to Borgesi to go and make guys in Boston for the satellite crew? How was he able to go into another territory and do that? And why didnt those guys just sign up with the Patriarca's?

good question? baby shacks took over in 95 96 and started making guys. that guy leto and chippy s.......omthing was 2 guys he made in 96 according to some federal doc i read. it was i think chippys pre sentencing mempo and it had all that info in it. also read carmine and his brother were made by shacks around 96 97 so they must have asked permission or atleast let the boston guys know. nothing the boston guys could really do. philly doesnt need there permission to induct guys. i knew luisi had that old guy in connecticit gentile and thatv other old guy who may have died with those paintings in maine but the other 2 is surprising. someone said when luisi flipped he held out the other 2 guys cause there his cousins. i think i read on here that guy shawn either worked at big cheese shop in the north end or was there frequently so they must be cool

You have to remember the turmoil all the families were in . All the bosses were looking at time or locked up . The bosses that were active were behind Nick at the time and were not behind Skinny because he was just a street thug.

It was around the time Stanfa was in or just outed or when Skinny and half ass Ralph were around.

This was not recently.

The thing I don’t know for sure is the date .

They were not Luke’s like Mayo said they were Philly made guys before Skinny was or right around same time .

This is just proof of how fucken bad the Feds had the families on the ropes at that time . All kinds of shit that would of put people in the ground in the 80’s and before was going down .

Serp..are you saying persiano and pelullo were made from the old man WHEN either stanza was in the street or when joey and Ralph were in charge, cuz that’s exactly how I read your line...’ it was around the time.......”... so u don’t narrow a date but are saying it was the 90s and done when one of those 2 factions were in the street

I am saying I don’t know when exactly but before the First Plus case , or right at beginning but if that was the case I don’t think Skinny would of taken them in.

And I don’t think Nick sr. had enough juice as time went on so the time is a problem.



Now don’t get me wrong it’s always possible that one person got one fact wrong.

But one thing pretty dam sure Skinny would never if signed off on it back then.

So between Skinny and good amount of time before the First Plus case . And it was when NY still had Nick sr. as boss , so obviously it was before they excepted Skinny and Philly as it is .

Now obviously Skinny had to bring them into the fold or be told by NY that they are Philly soldiers.

Then there is always a chance it’s all not true .

But from what I’ve been told over the years it all matches up with what was just posted on Mob Talk , but it looks like AP is / was so fucked up that we may never know.

But my sources were right therein and during the First Plus case so most of it is pretty reliable.

The Stanfa and Ralph thing is just to show how screwed up it had gotten, guys getting made that were not even eligible according to the rules , so who knows who was made and who wasn’t.

ok, in the prior post, it really looked like you were saying it was done in the 90s..but now i have no clue...i think there is no shot it was done back then.id say 2000s like 07 - 10, when most were still away

No Biggie

Just too far back , was just pointing out that chaos anything can happen and guys like Previte if he was really made .

My guess the Luke’s made Jr. but would not hear about making AP and Sammy so Sr. got the okey to make them in the Philly family.

Sal Pellullo - and the gang went to Florida - that's most likely where they were"made" he went to see Senior Scarfo a few times in prison. AP is scum and so is Sal, I don't think Joey M would want to get involved with either one of them or their little croonies. They would all meet up in AC. Scarfo Jr, was a nice guy and respectable - but Sal was a loud mouth show off wanna be. AP would have kissed anybody's ass just to fit in.

this was around 2007 - 2008...and all while Ant P was on parole, fresh home from prison. didn't take him long to start ripping innocent people off and doing coke, and traveling illegally by saying it's "job related" - oh if they only knew.

that's bull shit - he thinks he's a boxer and he used to be Sal's driver and gopher. if he was on the up and up - he would have nothing to do with the scumbag crew. todd stark - the "head"of security for sal pelullo and crew.

Oh my:

All makes sense they were doing and hanging out together seen them on New York ave. often at a spot where JP was running for someone and the crew was pretty big for them to be hanging out with 10 plus guys in the open.

And that Sal what a fucken guy to make but still not as bad as AP.

They had a few local guys and a few Philly guys and a few north jersey guys all active ,the most of the guys are on charts and from all different families.

There was some shit that was going to go down but Feds got most of them first .

I am sure you guys can fill in the pieces from the time line and the guys that were involved with Jr. he had them all , but what gets me he must of had the okey from NY todo what he was doing. We all know it never came to fruition but very close and would of made for some wild history if it did.

But now it’s all history.

Serpiente - they all thought they were gonna be millionaires, i guess that's why they were brought in. but that crew (first plus - code red) they were the blind leading the blinder.

by the way scumbag wannabe Todd Stark is not a restaurant owner - he is the host there.

Persiano ripped off civilian , little old ladies and was a drug addict. Pretty piss poor, even by these guys standards

Please I cannot stand the suspense - why is AP worse than Sal? they are both street rats. i am dying to hear this about the AP

Persiano ripped off civilian , little old ladies and was a drug addict. Pretty piss poor, even by these guys standards

He walked around like he was a BIG guy and all he did was spend time with loser wannabe gangstas, who didn't have a pot to piss in. He and his followers would spend hours trying to figure out - just how they could make a BIG score off of somebody. Who can we rip off next? I think if he could - AP would rip off his own mother. He lied to his parole officer all time, and I know he abused the girl he was engaged to, the one that help him come home. I hope he rots in prison, he's a murderer and druggie. Now I hear he has a restaurant in the wife's name - in Northfield New Jersey. Gotta wonder where that money came from to open that place? Somebody should look at the books there.

read persiano was locked up from 1991 to 2005 06. so he was inducted after that. says he was a philly member. educated guess joe ligambi or whoever merlino had running the show at the time made him. im surprised him being that close to scarfo jr in 2007 08 09 the philly guys allowed him to come back into there fold. on another note you think merlino and them have the old gun on the table and prick the finger induction. im reading whoevee writes that lcnbios site the bonannos didnt give a fuck. massino and vitale had over 50 ceromonys they just sat them down told them the rules, and said a little oath. no gun or even a knife makes it so not special no wonder everyone in there familys flips then you had the genovese rat anthony from springfield say how he was stripped down then brought into a room with a gun an knife on table, they did the burning saint thing and all. 2 different claases i guess

Pmac

The Philly guys did not make them Nick sr. Scarfo had them made by a old Philly member with theNY bosses okey.

But Skinny or someone had to sign off for them to come into the fold under Skinny or Joe L and I am guessing it had something to do with the Luke’s.

This is very personal to you ..... why ?

mistake says persiano was arrested for the murder in january 1993. so hes born in 1960 he was probaly inducted by scarfos cousins. tony buck or whoever was incharge theres a few of them. probaly got made in 89 or 90 by that guy who was acting boss for scarfo before stanfa took over in 91. piccolo or something that makes sense. if he was a made guy way back then it was before merlino took over. merlino and them could have just shelved him but they probaly thought he could earn and brought him back into the fold after scarfo jr was convicted guy did alot of time. he probaly was in the state system with ligambi when he was doing life for the frankie flowers murder till it was overturned in 98

I’m pretty sure AP got made when the FirstPlus scam was going on and Nicky Jr had a crew he put together in Atlantic City and it’s suburbs.

Right on Dante .

It was when they had the strip club on New York ave and right before the First Plus case in and around that time but don’t know when,and there may of been more . A couple locals that hung around when Nickwas boss and friends with Jr. and or others were all hanging out , few of the guys were pinched in the case and more were most likely made .

Nicky Jr had a crew in AC around the time of the Firstplus scam- AP, Piccolo, Todd Stark, John Parisi (his Cousin) , and Pelullo were a few in it off the top of my head. They were all over the strip clubs and bars in AC those days. I was in my early 20s then spending sometime in the AC Strip Clubs on the weekends. I wanna say this was about ten to twelve years ago.

Yep

And if you see all who got pinched other then them are most likely made , I know three of them went right .

Dante you been down to Todd’s restaurant ?

No, I don’t head that far South much. I have a good friend of mine from Philly that has a house on the water outside Wildwood and I’ll just visit him and we will party at his house on the water.

the big question why would the south philly guys want any guys that was under scarfo jr. i mean its a simple answer they make money but i wonder who in th ephilly family said hey lets take what ever leftovers from nick jrs ac crew after he went down. there was a old article, a wire tapd convo between scarfo jr and that guy sal. hes telling him whenever hes in philly not to act like a bigshot cause they dont recognize nick or him as anyone. he was telling him keep a low profile he couldn t help him there. but a few years later the south philly guys took the guy AP strange. but hes from there so there must be some connection. and at the end of the day this guys AP didnt even get whoever his own capo in trouble. he probaly didnt even trust him. he got a few drugs guys selling fake percs. womp womp

The Feds are clearly going to use the AP wire he wore and the Undercover FBI agent AP introduced into the crew in another indictment down the road targeting their Capo and maybe some admin in my opinion. This is just my opinion. I have no inside knowledge.

I would say The Capo (Dom Grande) could have a problem down the road. If you read the indictment Piccolo and AP were clearly reporting to Grande. Joey Electric even though he moved down to South Jersey was in the North Jersey crew under Scoops Licata. It’s all there in the indictment.

Yeah Pmac

They all know / knew each other all there fathers were in rackets and I am sure something was worked out .

Sal and his brothers were well known and Sal was not popular but he knew his shit but most did not like him or want him hanging out , Jr. knew his brother and his family from Phil and he was a piece of the puzzle needed for Jr. but Sal was always running his mouth behind his friends back and it got a lot of bad attention .

I think you are right and many have been saying stuff .... could AP been so fucked up that they cannot use it because this should of happened. I herd it was going down from someone that works at a attorneys office but nothing since .... I posted that it was coming because of her telling me , but nothing.

Attorney Pmac says this could be true. The feds could use the drug dealing AP did even if it was on his own or off the record as a predicate act in a rico trial of his capo even if its 5 yrs down the road. Theyll just throw it in a indictment even if it dont stick.

I predict it will be very similar to the Delco Nostra case with that clown Rat Finger Lou- remember that case? A few years later in 2011 they just rolled it into a larger scale Federal indictment on Ligambi and the admin via RICO. Just a guess on my part, call it a hunch.

Persiano and Pelullo - made while Scarfo Sr in prison - Pelullo went to see Sr... it may have been between 2007 - 2010 or so. Pelullo wanted to be a big real estate mogul, and Persiano would rob his mother to have more money in his pockets. He spent years in prison for the murder of Anthony Cavaleri, swears he didn't do - but most of us think he did. He told somebody I know that Nicky Albanese was the person who murdered Anthony Cavaleri, that he was being a stand up guy to take the heat for Nicky A. He came home - started right back up in business again. He had a girl who was taking care of him while he was away (friend of mine) who didn't let him want for nothing. He fcked that up with her - used her up - took everything she had - broke her heart - mentally - physically and emotionally abusive. She told me and my girl that she wishes he would drop dead.

That "guy" Persiano was with Nicky Jr and scumbag Sal Pelullo. From what I was told- Persiano was up to no good from day 1 he stepped out of prison. He ran around with low life wanna be gangsters. I was told by a person who would know..it was a shit show and a joke.

AP is not from Philly. Back in the day he ran around with Louie Turra, they were BIG time drug dealers. AP is from Jersey. Louie got locked up - commited suicide in his cell, that left AP to take over the drug dealing. Louie and AP were at odds with the Philly guys - and the Philly guys really hated Louie Turra, that's understandable. Like I said before - I know that girl that he f*ckd up and f*cked over after years of lying to her. She said - and I quote - no lie - no embellishment - her exact words - "there were times when I looked into his eyes and saw pure evil, darkness and emptiness" she said he had a good way of hiding his true self from others.

The Turra part is true and it’s difficult to believe thatSkinny let him into the fold , I don’t know what would make hit do that . These guys make some of the most fucken strange decisions .

Sammy yeah ... but to let AP get close enough to even give him a chance to have shit on the family I will never know.

Dear PMAC.... please know that every time I read or hear “predicate” - I shiver a lil...
Love,
Sittite