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Posted By: FrankValenti

New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/07/19 12:54 PM

A new hit piece was published this morning that is worth a read. The writer seems pretty hell bent on disproving the entire plot of the new movie The Irishman in this article. He examines the possibility, or in his words, certainty, that Frank Sheeran lied about nearly all of his claims in "I Heard You Paint Houses." It's not so much of an attack on Scorsese and De Niro as it is against Charles Brandt and the late Sheeran.

Whether or not you agree – I don't – this one is worth checking out.

The Lies of The Irishman
Posted By: The_Marble_Guy

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/07/19 02:36 PM

So my question is this, are we looking for this movie to be another great mob flick, especially after the Gotti debacle, or do we want it to be historically accurate? These movies are always filled with fiction mixed with some factual events or events based on a similar situation.
Posted By: pmac

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/07/19 03:29 PM

Promise you i didnt write. Im looking forward to the movie it will be free or the wife pays her netflix account and thats about all the bills she pays. I did not write a hit piece... but the book is stiill good but a work of fiction
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/08/19 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by pmac
or the wife pays her netflix account and thats about all the bills she pays


Ouch!, below the belt!.......There must be something she gets credit for that doesn’t necessarily involve a money transaction? Right?

Housewife IS, or at least use to be a good example of such.
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/08/19 10:53 AM

I certainly THINK, that most of Frank Sheeran’s claims sound fake... I don’t KNOW. I wasn’t alive for or near the action to know.
However, Frank’s seemingly fake claims can also bring about the truth. It can bring out someone to step forward and either claim ownership or, provide actual believable evidence that proves Frank’s claims wrong.

If Frank’s stock goes up because of these stories, jealousy and anger can brew up among some people.

Someone knows or knew who committed the unsolved crimes. Time will tell if they honor Omertà or recognize it has become, every man for himself.
Posted By: majicrat

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/08/19 02:46 PM

I’m looking forward to the movie for entertainment reasons, but, much like godfellas there will be artistic liberties with the truth. The book was full of exaggerations if not outright lies. Some truths I’m sure, but in any case it’s not like some gangster is going to sue him for taking credit for something he didn’t do. Just like the iceman lied over and over who’s gonna claim otherwise and admit to murder? I will say he’s a bad ass just for being in combat over 400 days. I don’t doubt he’s a real tough guy.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/09/19 12:18 AM

I don't know about the 25 murders he claimed, but I do think he pulled the trigger in a few hits.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/09/19 12:37 AM

Guy isn't even Irish! He's American of Swedish and Irish descent. He's like one of those wonderbread wops who had a grandfather come off the boat over a hundred years ago and thinks it makes him Italian.

Joe Rogan and Steve Schirripa had a good conversation about stuff like this on their podcast.

And look at them, despite his surname Rogan is actually more Italian than Schirripa. Rogan's 75% Italian and 25% Irish, Schirripa's half Italian and half Jewish.
Posted By: JimmyIrons

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/09/19 06:49 AM

When I clicked on the article I expected to factual basis for the hit piece.. But nothing. He doesn’t disprove one single thing. Is the book full of lies? Maybe. But it’s clear this website I’ve never heard of doesn’t have an editor.
Posted By: hoodlum

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/11/19 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by JimmyIrons
When I clicked on the article I expected to factual basis for the hit piece.. But nothing. He doesn’t disprove one single thing. Is the book full of lies? Maybe. But it’s clear this website I’ve never heard of doesn’t have an editor.

I agree..
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/11/19 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Guy isn't even Irish! He's American of Swedish and Irish descent. He's like one of those wonderbread wop who had a grandfather come off the boat over a hundred years ago and thinks it makes him Italian.


That term refers to someone’s culture, and not to his “ethnic purity”.

The cultural environment in which an individual is raised defines his personality more than DNA, unless one believes in racist theories.

Someone may be born in Italy, holding an Italian passport but if he was raised by Chinese parents in a monocultural, close-knit community (read: ghetto) in Prato or Milan he’d be less culturally Italian than a “non-genetically pure” wop raised in a majority-Italian area in Montreal, Staten Island or Melbourne.

Better example: Look at the many French-born-and-raised youths who are more culturally Maghrebi than French. An Acadian or a Québécois who never stepped foot on French soil is more in line with his ancestral culture than them.

Most “national identities” are transnational due to obvious historical (mass emigration, colonization) and social (poverty, segregation, self-segregation, radicalization) reasons thus more fluid and complex than many believe.

America, being one of the first Western nations to experience massive immigration has reached a stage that many European nations will experience later or are starting to experience today.

As for Frank Sheeran, supposedly that was his underworld nickname. I don’t know if he “felt” Irish at all. Whitey Bulger was 50% Canadian-Québécois but being born in Southie in 1929 sure played a fundamental role in the creation of his persona.
Posted By: Jshov31

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/11/19 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by hoodlum
Originally Posted by JimmyIrons
When I clicked on the article I expected to factual basis for the hit piece.. But nothing. He doesn’t disprove one single thing. Is the book full of lies? Maybe. But it’s clear this website I’ve never heard of doesn’t have an editor.

I agree..



Me too. The guy that wrote this article is a complete jerkoff.
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 12:54 AM

I tend to believe Sheeran's account of Hoffa's disappearance. Hoffa's family (hell, even Sheeran's daughter) thinks he did it. Hoffa was streetwise and cautious, he wouldn't have gotten into a car with just anyone. As for the Joey Gallo hit, that's less plausible, but it's not impossible.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
I tend to believe Sheeran's account of Hoffa's disappearance. Hoffa's family (hell, even Sheeran's daughter) thinks he did it. Hoffa was streetwise and cautious, he wouldn't have gotten into a car with just anyone. As for the Joey Gallo hit, that's less plausible, but it's not impossible.


Why would Sheeran claim the Gallo hit if he had nothing to do with it. Gallo disrespected Bufalino and it happened in a Genovese place.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 01:39 AM

Don't forget in those years Bufalino was appointed as an "interim boss" of the Genovese crime family by the Commission at a time when that crime family was experiencing internal difficulties.
Posted By: pmac

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 02:30 AM

I forgot where i read that buffalino was sometype of interim boss that is bullshit.. its in a fbi file somewhere. There is zero percent chance it ever happened. Was he called into mediate disputes in there family probaly yes. But benny squint took over as boss after genovese died. You had heavy weights like benny squint,catena, and eboli. Never mind fat tony and funzi tieri. I think after benny squint has eboli killed, catena retires and funzi gets upped to underboss. They might have used buffalino to smooth out feathers in the family. No way a boss from a tiny family is put incharge of the biggest family in the usa
Posted By: JC

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Hollander
Don't forget in those years Bufalino was appointed as an "interim boss" of the Genovese crime family by the Commission at a time when that crime family was experiencing internal difficulties.


With all due respect it makes no sense that the Genovese would let anyone pick a boss for their family. They wewre arguably still the most powerful family in the country in the late 60's early 70's, easily still in the top 3, and had a ton of guys who were powers in their own right who could run the family (Lombardo, Tieri, Salerno, Catena, etc.). They didn't need an interim boss, and I doubt that they would let either rival families (Gambino) or lesser out of town families (Philly, Detroit) have a say in deciding who would run their family. The line of sucession is fairly straight forward: Genovese dies in 1969, Catena takes over,, he goes to jail in 1970 and sometime while he is in jail Lombardo/Tieri start running the family, in 1981 Fat Tony is briefly the boss before his stroke, then the Chin takes over. When would Bufalino have run the family? Sorry, that doesn't hold water, the Genovese wouldn't let someone from coal country come in and run the family.

As for the Gallo hit, do you really think that that the bosses in NY said "He insulted Bufalino? That's the final straw, we can't let that stand!" After all that he had done, insulting an ouf ot town boss was what finally got him clipped? If you really believe that I don't know what to tell you, I might have some swamp land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 02:49 AM

You're probably right pmac McGee was more like an adviser to them. Luparelli revealed who the perpetrators of the Gallo murder were, but his testimony was not considered credible by the FBI.
Posted By: pmac

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 03:21 AM

buffalino was a very important guy. he had his own family for along ass time, and he was very successful. him being so hands on made it easy for the fbi to put his ass away because he wasnt insulated like the big families. i forgot what he got a federal bid for in the 80tys but it was pretty dumb. i read that old mary fer fbi file where a informant says (70tys) buffalino is acting boss of the genovese family but i think it was just poorly written report and the info probaly came from someone way down on the food chain. i think he was called into a genovese sitdown as like a outside mediator they could trust. theres a picture of him and bobby manna walking together around 1980 on the pic thread
Posted By: JimmyIrons

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 04:08 AM

From reading the book the author didn’t just take Sheerhan’s word on everything, he took quite a few steps to try and verify things. Such as the Gallo hit.

I’m not saying everything is 100 percent true but I tend to believe Sheerhans side. Certainly more than this putz.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/13/19 12:47 PM

For me Sheeran help to ambush and get rid of Hoffa body but nothing more.
Posted By: FrankValenti

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/16/19 09:36 PM

The publisher of I Heard You Paint Houses wrote an extremely thorough rebuttal to this article. The publisher disputes all of the journalist's claims in this hit piece. Honestly, the publisher did a very good job of tearing apart Slate's attempts to discredit Frank Sheeran and Charles Brandt. In fairness, the journalist also responded well to the book's publisher.

This is worth a read:

https://slate.com/culture/2019/08/the-irishman-book-publisher-reply-bill-tonelli.html?
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/17/19 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
I tend to believe Sheeran's account of Hoffa's disappearance. Hoffa's family (hell, even Sheeran's daughter) thinks he did it. Hoffa was streetwise and cautious, he wouldn't have gotten into a car with just anyone. As for the Joey Gallo hit, that's less plausible, but it's not impossible.


Why would Sheeran claim the Gallo hit if he had nothing to do with it. Gallo disrespected Bufalino and it happened in a Genovese place.


I could have written that better. I totally believe he killed Hoffa. I do think it's possible he could have killed Gallo. It's just not as certain as the Hoffa hit. But it is entirely possible, Buffalino was a boss of a city not too far from NYC, so it's likely he went there often. And we know Gallo had no respect for bosses.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/19/19 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by JC
Originally Posted by Hollander
Don't forget in those years Bufalino was appointed as an "interim boss" of the Genovese crime family by the Commission at a time when that crime family was experiencing internal difficulties.


With all due respect it makes no sense that the Genovese would let anyone pick a boss for their family. They wewre arguably still the most powerful family in the country in the late 60's early 70's, easily still in the top 3, and had a ton of guys who were powers in their own right who could run the family (Lombardo, Tieri, Salerno, Catena, etc.). They didn't need an interim boss, and I doubt that they would let either rival families (Gambino) or lesser out of town families (Philly, Detroit) have a say in deciding who would run their family. The line of sucession is fairly straight forward: Genovese dies in 1969, Catena takes over,, he goes to jail in 1970 and sometime while he is in jail Lombardo/Tieri start running the family, in 1981 Fat Tony is briefly the boss before his stroke, then the Chin takes over. When would Bufalino have run the family? Sorry, that doesn't hold water, the Genovese wouldn't let someone from coal country come in and run the family.

As for the Gallo hit, do you really think that that the bosses in NY said "He insulted Bufalino? That's the final straw, we can't let that stand!" After all that he had done, insulting an ouf ot town boss was what finally got him clipped? If you really believe that I don't know what to tell you, I might have some swamp land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.


I also don't think Bufalino had the authority to clip Gallo, who was still a member of the Colombos, without first consulting the Colombo leadership. And normally such matters takes some time and are not arranged within one evening. And indeed, if Bufalino/Sheeran knew where to find Gallo, how come the Colombos themselves somehow weren't able to as they had all the reason in the world to get rid of him.

This movie is going to be filled with artistic license. Scorsese's former mob movies (Goodfellas and Casino) were largely factual.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/27/19 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by JC


As for the Gallo hit, do you really think that that the bosses in NY said "He insulted Bufalino? That's the final straw, we can't let that stand!" After all that he had done, insulting an ouf ot town boss was what finally got him clipped? If you really believe that I don't know what to tell you, I might have some swamp land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.


Sheeran probably didn't know what the reason was behind the Gallo hit he didn't knew him, didn't he read about it later in the newspapers? The commission was fed up with Joey.
Posted By: The_Marble_Guy

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/28/19 03:59 AM

Did anyone else hear that the movie is suppose to be 3.5 hours long?
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/29/19 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by The_Marble_Guy
Did anyone else hear that the movie is suppose to be 3.5 hours long?


Yep Marty's longest film ever let's hope for a Goodfellas 2.0 he should have had the best film Oscar back then, maybe now.
Posted By: The_Marble_Guy

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 08/30/19 02:19 PM

Exclusive interview coming from Empire Magazine next week


https://www.empireonline.com/movies...exclusive-scorsese-de-niro-pesci-pacino/
Posted By: GangstersInc

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 11/10/19 06:29 AM

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Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 11/10/19 07:27 PM

So Sheeran doesnt kill:
Joe Gallo
Jimmy Hoffa
Paul Castellano (as write in Brandt book)
There are proofs that he really killed or was involved in a killing?
Or he said to Brandt and Hoffa's parents what they wanted to to hear?
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 11/11/19 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
So Sheeran doesnt kill:
Joe Gallo
Jimmy Hoffa
Paul Castellano (as write in Brandt book)
There are proofs that he really killed or was involved in a killing?
Or he said to Brandt and Hoffa's parents what they wanted to to hear?


He never claimed Castellano !
He was alleged to have conspired to murder Francis J. Marino, also known as Big Bobby, a 300‐pound Philadelphia labor organizer who died in 1976 after being bludgeoned and shot five times.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 11/11/19 12:07 AM

Tapes Provide Rare Glimpse of Union‐Crime Dealings
By Alan Richman
Oct. 28, 1979

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PHILADELPHIA, Oct. 27 — Friends of Francis J. Sheeran, president of Local 326 of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters in Wilmington, Del., paid $100 apiece to attend his 59th birthday party at a motel restaurant Thursday night. The aonations were intended to help offset the cost of prime steaks, a Las Vegas band and Mr. Sheeran's defense on charges of murder, attempted murder, arson and embezzlement.

The partygoers, unidentified despite intense interest on the part of the local news media, arrived in dozens of luxury cars bearing license plates from New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania and Maryland.

The day before the affair, which Mr. Sheeran called a “fund‐raising party,” he held a news conference at the same motel, the Treadway Roosevelt Inn in northeast Philadelphia. He asserted that the source of his legal difficulties was “harassing and hassling” by the Federal Government and newspapers and television over the last 15 years.

“In their opinion, if you are a union official, you are a bad person,” he said.

Named in a Sept. 24 indictment as a codefendant with Mr. Sheeran on Federal racketeering charges is Louis J. Bottone, former president of teamsters Local 107 in Philadelphia. Both men are free on bail, pending trial early next year.

Named as co‐conspirators are Russell Bufalino, a former teamsters business agent and reputed head of organized crime in Pennsylvania's coal region; Angelo Bruno, reputed head of organized crime in the Philadelphia area, and 15 other men, some of them present or former union officials.

Mr. Sheeran is alleged to have conspired to murder Francis J. Marino, also known as Big Bobby, a 300‐pound Philadelphia labor organizer who died in 1976 after being bludgeoned and shot five times, and Frederick John Gawronski, shot to death the same year in a tavern in New Castle, Del. He is also charged with four attempted murders, arson in the bombing of a hotel in Delaware, arson in the burning of a teamsters office here, and the embezzlement of $3,780 from his own local to pay for beatings and violent acts.

Mr. Sheeran denied all the charges. “1 have been a working man for over 45 years,” he said at his press conference.

Charge in 1967 Killing Dropped

He said he had not seen the late Mr. Marino since 1967. (In the same year, Mr. Sheeran was charged for murder in the death of Robert DeGeorge, who was killed in a shootout in front of Local 107 headquarters. The case was dismissed in 1972 on the ground that Mr. Sheeran had been denied a speedy trial.) He said of the late Mr. Gawronski, “I met him for two minutes.”

Of the key witness for the prosecution, Charles Allen, who has confessed to murdering for hire, Mr. Sheeran said, “Sure I know him. I don't know what he does.”

Mr. Allen made a secret deal with prosecutors after being arrested in July 1978 on a charge of manufacturing amphetamines. In exchange for a written agreement from the Federal Government that he would not have to serve more than seven years in prison, Mr. Allen confessed to a variety of crimes, including a murder committed for Mickey Cohen about 30 years ago, a conspiracy with James R. Hoffa to kill his successor as teamsters president, Frank E. Fitzsimmons, and the actual murder of Mr. Marino.

That September, investigators from the Philadelphia Organized Crime and Racketeering Strike Force supplied Mr. Allen with a recording device. He returned from as many as 15 meetings with Mr. Sheeran and Mr. Bottone with taped conversations that make up the bulk of the evidence against them.

Tapes Provide Vivid Look

Peter F. Vaira, the United States attorney for the eastern district of Pennsylvania, said that the tape recordings provided “one of the most vivid, most explicit” looks into a relationship between organized crime and labor unions.

The indictment charges that in about December 1975, Mr. Sheeran, Mr. Buttone and Mr. Allen agreed to kill Mr. Marino, a teamster organizer and alleged loan shark, and William Mario Brown, a former secretary‐treasurer of teamster Local 500 in Philadelphia.

According to documents filed in court by the prosecution, this was the scenario:

Mr. Allen went to Frank Sindone, reputed to be a lieutenant in the Angelo Bruno crime family and known to be owner of Frank's Cabana Steaks, a sandwich shop in South Philadelphia, for permission to carry out the murders. The elimination of Mr. Brown was found acceptable, but not the killing of Mr. Marino. Nevertheless Mr. Allen was told by Mr. Sheeran that Mr. Bufalino had approved the killings and that he should proceed.

Mr. Allen failed in several efforts to get a clear shot at Mr. Brown. He did succeed in killing Mr. Marino. Mr. Allen was very nearly marked for death by Mr. Bruno because he had not approved the Marino murder. Only when Mr. Bufalino interceded and Mr. Allen apologized did Mr. Bruno spare his life.

Further Indictments Possible

The United States attorney, Mr. Vaira, said that since a wide range of conversations were recorded by Mr. Allen, further indictments could result. But he said that he did not anticipate “any great wave” of legal activity against organized crime emanating from the Allen tapes.

In his agreement with the Federal Government, Mr. Allen promised to cooperate with investigations of a number of activities of which he had first‐hand knowledge, including the suspected murder of Mr. Hoffa. Although Mr. Sheeran was once a close associate of Mr. Hoffa and later became a suspect in his disappearance, Mr. Vaira said the information supplied by the Allen tapes “fills in one more gap, doesn't break the case.”

At his press conference last week, Mr. Sheeran denied any involvement.

“Anything I got I owe him,” he said. “If it wasn't for Hoffa, I wouldn't be where I am today.”

Associated Press

Francis J. Sheeran, president of Local 326 of the teamsters’ union, In a Phila- delphia motel lounge Wednesday after charging news media harassment.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 11/11/19 01:21 AM

Frank Sheeran was in Detroit, but do to the timetable. It is impossible for him to be at two place at once during the time Hoffa was killed. The house that he said Hoffa was killed in might have actually been for someone else Sheeran killed. The Gallo hit, he was not there. A few witness and informant said it was someone else. No doubt Sheeran killed men, but by the time 1970 rolled around he was a known drunk, getting into trouble with Bruno, Tony Pro, Rosario Gambino, among other members, his protector had always been Bufalino.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 11/11/19 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
So Sheeran doesnt kill:
Joe Gallo
Jimmy Hoffa
Paul Castellano (as write in Brandt book)
There are proofs that he really killed or was involved in a killing?
Or he said to Brandt and Hoffa's parents what they wanted to to hear?


He never claimed Castellano !
He was alleged to have conspired to murder Francis J. Marino, also known as Big Bobby, a 300‐pound Philadelphia labor organizer who died in 1976 after being bludgeoned and shot five times.


Ah sorry I confused this part with the Kuklinski book.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/04/20 10:21 AM

He was a thug.
And a drunk.
He liked to hang around wiseguys.
He may have “done some work,” although the consensus is that he paid someone else to pull the trigger.

What he didn’t do, according to most reliable sources, is put two bullets in the back of Jimmy Hoffa’s head.

The Irishman, Martin Scorsese’s latest Mafia epic, may alter the public perception but not the reality of who Frank Sheeran was and the role he played in the underworld.

“He was a tough guy and a big drinker,” said former Philadelphia mobster Nicholas “Nicky Crow” Caramandi. “He used to come down to this restaurant on Front Street every Monday night. We’d eat spaghetti and clams.”

Read more: https://jerseymanmagazine.com/mob-scene-scorceses-real-life-mobsters/
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/04/20 10:35 AM

It’s a movie ...

Most know that it was for entertainment only.
Posted By: majicrat

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/04/20 01:07 PM

And..not a good move either. Boring and completely off the rails from reality for the most part. In my opinion.
Posted By: MolochioInduced

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/04/20 02:01 PM

Was Hoffa as crazy as Pacino portrayed him, it was like Tony Montana in a white guy body.

It’s as if Hoffa wanted to whack everyone, close to reality or no??
Posted By: Hollander

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/04/20 03:55 PM

Both Al and Jack did a great job, both had studied on Hoffa for a long time.

Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/04/20 11:55 PM

Nicholson's Hoffa was a great movie. It's an alternate history, too. DeVito's "Bobby Ciaro" is pretty much based on Chucky O' Brien and several other Hoffa lackeys. Armand Assante is sort of a composite of Tony Pro and Tony Jack. This doesn't bother me because I don't go to movies for history. Movies are entertainment. Capturing the personalities is more important to a movie than getting facts straight.

Hoffa 1992. Written by David Mamet. Produced by Gambino soldier Joe Isgro. Reportedly a Nicholson pal.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/05/20 05:35 AM

I liKed Jack better. I liked the Irishman, but Hoffa kicked ass. The Irishman seemed too much like a fantasy. Hoffa didn't get too carried away.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: New Article: The Lies of The Irishman - 04/05/20 08:44 AM

Agree. Nicholson became Hoffa. Pacino played Hoffa.
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