The Cali hit got me thinking

The recent hit of Frank Cali is unorthodox, per mob standards. This goofy 24 yr old kid taking out a Boss is insane. It got me thinking about the current state of LCN. I'm 41, and as a kid in the south suburbs of Chicago, there were notorious people you heard stories about. They were almost legendary in a sense. Names that come to mind for me would be Francis "thin man" Curry, Dominic Confiliano, Armand D'Andrea, Dino Zazetti, "sp*c" Bianco, Joe Mancuso, Eddie Foschi, Bobby Tezak, Vic Gallo and Al Koukas. These are names that no one here probably has ever heard of.

Most of the names were tied to the Chicago Heights street crew and we're so under the radar that their only folklore existed within our own little suburb. They controlled unions, had relatives in the Police department and city hall, ran construction companies, owned cemeteries and controlled gaming and amusements. Some ran "clip joints", which were basically strip bars that hustled the customers into over spending.

No one would ever think of jacking with these people. And if you did, there was a serious consequence to pay. There was a certain mystique about these people.

But now in 2019, some MAGA Qanon jagoff wants to bang the boss's niece and decides to off him over it. And I have to say, I really don't think this dude will be dealt any gangland consequence for it. I mean guys, we're talking about the Gambino Crime Family. In 1980, this mfkr wouldn't have had the luxury of being arrested. He'd have been gone, fast. Especially seeing how the niece and the family in general for that matter, would have known exactly who this jagoff was and a Gambino squad would have been dispatched immediately.

My point is, I've resided to the fact that La Cosa Nostra's influence is gone. They are nothing more than a small gang of criminals that are holding onto something that has seen it's day. Are they dangerous people? Sure. But no more dangerous than an Anthony Comello or a Ceasar Sayoc.

The mob as we knew it, is a shell of it's former self. And that's being nice IMO. Any thoughts?

Mobsters now & back then aren't immune to domestic violence period. He would of been locked up like today. Nothing extraordinary about the situation unless more information comes out in the future. Dude was a Underboss.

do you really think a similar fool is worried about conseguences? he has the same mentality of that suprematist who did a massacre in new zealand
It has nothing to do with lcn losing power

Exactly what BlackFamily and m2w said , same thing could have happened back in the day , some nutcase shows up and kills Carlo Gambino. And Cali was not underboss , he was consigliere.

I think what he's saying is that back then, the family would have gotten to him first and that would be that. Shit, look at what happened to the boyfriend of big Paul's daughter. The guy compared big Paul to the Purdue guy. He ain't around no more. Back then, there were so many crooked cops, they would've been selling the location and info on the killer to the Gambino family. Those days are gone. Who knows, maybe this is only the beginning and we get a real gruesome story on how they pour gas in his cell and he burns to death. Wasn't the black guy who shot Colombo a patsy? Someone will make a name for themselves and get him inside. Nobody called Bulger's slaying.

The mob may not be what they were, but don't kid yourselves. Unless this kid is kept in protective custody he's toast. The Gambinos don't have to lift a finger. Every guy convicted of a violent crime who doesn't have a release date coming up is going to be looking to kill that kid or at least put a real hurt on him to get in on the mob's good side.

Even back then , how they could come to him first , no one would expect a nobody to kill a boss/underboss.They would probably start killing each other

Comello's alpha as fuck. He didn't cuck out when some mob boss told him he couldn't have the girl he wanted...

But it didn't.

He's going to wish he did. "Alpha" dog will soon be bitch. Slaughtered bitch at that. I wonder how the family handles the niece. I know from my dad's side of the family, the Sicilians know how to hold a grudge.

I know the neighborhood very well where Comello got arrested. It's a very nice neighborhood, expensive houses on lagoons near the bay. Some of the houses are only occupied in the summer, so it's quiet this time of year. The geography may explain why the wiseguys didn't get him before law enforcement did. If someone called 911 on that street, the cops would only have to block off I think 2 roads and anyone there is trapped, unless maybe they had a boat to get away.

You get the point what im trying to say. It doesn't show how much mafia is powerful/weak. They are not immune to that stuff.

I can't see that happening, back in the day. At least not in his Brooklyn home. Don Carlo would have never personally answered the door plus there was a patrol car sitting outside the house 24/7.

Well, actually it does. The fact that this happened today and never did back in the day does indicate a decrease in power and strength.

Another thing to considered is that we will be unaware of nearly how many close calls like this happen back in time.

I rather think it's a mistake on Cali's part than the decline of the mafia as a whole. Cali just wasn't thinking with his head.

That is a sign of times. Before even the bosses understand that could be killed and had bodyguards. In italy its normal that every men with even a little power continue watch his back,use armored cars and in some cases even wear a bullet proof vest.
Paolo DiLauro rarely went out of his house and some of his men doesn't know his face but in italy Comello and the cali's niece would be dead only because doesn't followed the boss orders.
Anyway the US media what say about Comello and the girl?
The Gambinos must kill him for dont lose the other families respect.

If history has taught us anything, it's that anyone at anytime can be killed by anyone. We've had people like JFK (a president!), RFK, and MLK gunned down by random nutjobs, and they had their bodyguards. Even Joe Colombo was gunned down in a public place, and he had an army of street guys surrounding him. Didn't matter.

Don't forget Oswald was only 24 when he killed Kennedy. People latch on to these wild conspiracy theories about these killings because the conspiracies almost more comforting that someone super powerful was taken down by some shadowy group. We like to think that there's something bigger at play, like CIA or military conspiracy theories. The idea that someone that powerful could be gunned down by some loner d-bag acting alone like Oswald or Comello is almost scarier than the conspiracies... the idea that presidents, mob bosses, and kings are mortal just like the rest of us and can be taken out by anyone else as easy as swatting a fly.

The reason Cali felt safe and didn't need bodyguards is because of how intense the NYPD and the Feds are in keeping a lid on crime and violence in NYC. The Mob had to adjust to the heavy police presence over the past two decades (since Guiliani) and had to put a stop to the killings (or, most of them) in NYC. Nowadays killings are rare in the mob. I mean, Cali had no reason to fear a mob hit because mob hits (at least internal mob hits) don't happen any more. Not to mention how strict the gun laws are these days in NY.

So in response to the heavy police presence, violence is down and mob-diplomacy is up. So why the hell wouldn't Cali open his door unarmed? Makes total sense. And in his mind, who's going to take a shot at him? Someone wants to take him on it's a 100% death sentence, either when they're locked up or on the street. So he thinks anyone who wants to take a shot couldn't be stupid enough to do it because they could never get away clean. But this wasn't a "mob hit" in the traditional sense... this wasn't some rival trying to take power or get revenge. It's just some punk kid with a half-assed plan who had no shot in hell of getting away with the crime... and he's gonna get shanked if he ever leaves protective custody.

that lcn is by far weaker than the 1960s it is not a new thing, they repeated it 1 million times, but this hit has nothing to do with its decline etc.

With all the latent machismo and testosterone on this forum when it comes to gangsters, I'm kind of surprised Comello isn't getting his dues for punking out Cali. Kid has some pair of balls on him.

Kid is going to be a legend in prison.

*Kid is going to get legendarily shanked in prison.

A "legend" with a shelf life smaller than the spam you eat. What a troll you are.

You bring good points.

Don't necessarily agree that he'll get shanked in prison. There have got to be plenty of prisons that don't have much of a mob presence. If he does get shanked it'll be because prison staff aren't doing their jobs.

Frogs vs. the mob.

He's gonna be the next Ricky Spanish, lol.

*njcapo, despite being warned against flaming chose to ignore the warnings. He decided he'd rather be a rude bore than post here. He is banned.

N.Y.has very strict gun laws. They worked so well. Let this be an example. When someone wants to kill you, you will die. If you're not packing in Florida you're the odd man out.

Do you remember in breaking bad when Walt pay the nazi to kill the men in prison? After Comello will be in prison the gambinos can easly pay the most powerful gang in the prison to whack him.

If gun laws aren't being enforced then the problem must be with law enforcement.

Is there a chance Comello will always be in PC? Assuming that's the case it will certainly be much harder to get to him. I mean will they just release this kid into Gen pop? Probably not anytime soon right? Maybe never?

What if his lawyer is really good and Comello walks? Think that one over for a bit. Gun laws are flawed. I have come across thousands of throw aways that were stolen, serial numbers filed off, involved in robberies, shootings, murders, and they went anywhere from 25 to 150 dollars. Many of these handguns were in the 500 to 1000 dollar range when you went into a store at retail price. Submachine guns the cheapest I have seen were both Uzi's 9mm for 80 bucks a piece and an MP5 .45 for 120. You can get your hands on these fairly easy in the states. There is an old saying, Only Law abiding gun owners will be hurt by gun laws, which is true, but the common sense gun laws still need to be in place not the focus group ones which both sides are guilty of pushing those agendas.

The overwhelming majority of guns involved in a crime in NY can be traced back to a state like Virginia, which has really loose gun laws. Same with Illinois and Indiana. Strict gun laws don’t do any good if someone can drive a couple hours and load up their trunk with relative ease.

The gambinos zips wont forget,soon or later if they will have a chane to kill him or pay some prison thugs to do it,comello will die. Dont forget gambinos had ties with the Aryan Brotherhood.

Here's a question - the assumption is that he killed Cali because he wanted his niece? I haven't heard if she "wanted" him back? Did she? Or was he pestering her?

That was my question as well. Wouldn't suprise me at all if it's the latter.

His lawyers come out and said the white house told him to do it got nothing to do with a niece

Insanity plea coming in 1...2...3...