Frank Cali Shot

I just heard he was shot in Staten Island.. Supposedly not in good condition..

https://pix11.com/2019/03/13/gambin...tically-injured-on-staten-island-source/

daily news says 5 times and run over by a truck and hes dead over there front page

https://pix11.com/2019/03/13/gambin...ically-injured-on-staten-island-source/.
They state he has died... This should be interesting.. Internal or External..?

so 2 official bosses dead in 1 week persico and cali. mike nose is free this week so is his underboss and consig after walking out of court today not guilty. pretty note worthy

Does anyone think Genie was a little pissed..

You think Gene took a page out of his brothers book and whacked the boss?... im leaning towards the Sicilians ... but thats going off of zero information.

Holy sh$t!!


Biggest mob hit in decades I think

I thought all of this only went on in Canada now

R.I.P. Mr. Cali. May your family find peace. I hope there isn't a war brewing. Bloodshed is bad for business.

I think this definitely proved the commission is once again active. Bosses don't just get whacked. This was a sanctioned hit. Who is responsible, we'll find out soon enough.

zero info and just guessing wouldnt put it past him. the old guard strikes back maybe they thought they wernt getting the respect but the whole part of being runover with the truck makes it seem very personal unless he was shot in the street and the truck didnt have any way to go but over him. truck has to be stolen or this shit is solved in 24 hours rite?

It may be too obvious.. That's the first thing I thought of. But nobody knows yet.. Pure speculation on my part.. It's always their Families that suffer in the end. Prayers go out to them.

coincidence mike mancuso is released today and cali whacked hmmmmmm. snake died less then a week ago was his wake tonight??? ny post is saying the truck speed away nothing about being run over........

A panicked family member called 911, telling a dispatcher Cali was run over before he was shot, though investigators were still looking into whether the gunman mowed the mobster down, sources said.

Police were searching for the pickup truck that raced from the grisly scene, sources said.

“There were like six shots, and then there were three more,” one witness, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Daily News. “The man was on the ground face-up. His head was by his SUV, and the truck was open.”

Cali’s distraught family members rushed outside after the shooting.

“Papa! Papa!” one man cried before lying on the grass, sobbing, the witness recounted.

One woman yelled into her phone, “Why doesn’t the ambulance come? He’s not breathing!” the witness told The News. Another woman “was just making loud noises,” the witness said.

If it turns out to be the blacks, then this Thing is done, more done than it already was, absolutely finito.

Wow.. Never in a million years did I see this coming.

I highly doubt Gene Gotti is behind this. It was very sloppy. Sounds like it was someone he knew.

daily news got the crime scene photo. his body isnt there but it looks like he was getting something out of the trunk of his suv was shot fell to the ground and the getaway car probaly ran over his body legs or head idk. probaly following him or stalking him. im a regular colombo

Holy shit! Totally shocked something like this could still happen. Thanks for the news.

Ho fuckin O. Definitely wouldn't see this coming. I wonder how things are gonna fold out now. Persico passing away, Mike Mancuso getting released today, Frank whacked... I'm leaning over to the zips here aswell, but who can tell.

Pizzaboy heavily missed in this forum and in this times. Anyone can here who could convince him to come back? To much going on lately and nobody knows who is behind all this.....

Haven't posted in here in ages. Just my 2 cents. I would be very surprised if it was a power move by either Gene or the Bonanos. If it has to do with anything, my guess is it is the Zips,and it has to do with the 77 million worth of cocaine seized in Newark. I doubt any mobster wants to make the headlines these days.

it's the third mob-related murder in a few months in new york, it could be internal to gambino or maybe it comes from the bonanno, linked to canada stuff, sicilian mafia connections etc.

Canada stuff is pretty much Italian stuff. It's not like the clan's that operate in Toronto/MTL, are really killing each other over territory for bookmaking, loansharking, etc, and union control. They are pretty much drug syndicates trying to control distribution channels. So, it could easily be them over the transport of drugs going wrong or something to do with Cali infringing on these pipelines. I'd just be surprised if it is a Castellano situation (which was purely motivated by taking over a family/being on the whacking block/too much tribute demand).

I'm just saying, I'd be a little bit surprised if its a situation of another Gambino making a power move or a rival five families boss or crew making a statement.

canada stuff seems to be mostly an lcn stuff

They are all mobsters/LCN but it is not like they are fighting over traditional rackets. It's primarily over distribution channels for cocaine and heroin. While always being an underlying income source for LCN, its not the traditional stuff a boss of a Five Families family gets knocked off for. The Rizzuto's goldmine was drug distribution through Canadian ports operating through the Cuntera-Caruana clan. It wasn't someone trying to eliminate Rizzuto to take over as head of MTL, it was someone trying to eliminate them completely to take over the drug importation.

When i saw this title i was like "Its not April fools yet, what the fuck is this". Wow

Like a poster on another board said , this happened because John Gambino died year ago otherwise it would have been impossible.

Jesus I wake up with this on the dutch news. Only three/four years at the top.

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He was in contact with the Villabate family, the Pagliarelli family and the Torretta family. Links also with members of the 'Ndrangheta of Siderno, and related to the Sicilian Inzerillo clan.

Could be Sicilians, but he had some powerful connections in Sicilian Mafia. Whoever did this,has some huge balls

In italy the Repubblica said that Cali was killed because trought his wife Rosalie Inzerllo wanted to made a inzerillos come back in Palermo, another rumor was that was because Cali focused the family bussinesses only on drug trafficking especially the fentanyl.

i'm officially shocked !!!!!!!!
now we have a boss dead ?! (he was a boss right ?) it didn't happened since paul castellano...
if someone checked my posts i'm always saying that cali is the biggest potential, and now he is dead....
so we have a war now or what ?

Can you post article,please?

so it's internal ?

It's just speculations,i thought Inzerillos were allowed to come back.Back in 2007 Lo Piccolo wanted them back, but Antonio Rotolo was against it. Rotolo killed one of Inzerillos personally and he was fearing revenge. He then sent Gianni Nicchi, to find Lo Piccolo and his son and kill them , he even prepared acid barrels for bodies. But after Rotolo was arrested , i thought they were allowed to come back.

Holy ****. Didn't expect to wake up to this.

me too i'm shocked !
like what's going on ?!?!
i wonder who did it...

I posted in a thread when the service for Carmine was ...... they closed the other one.

i can't see why would the gambino's do that ?
over the years we always heard that he is very liked within the family...

Wow ....It’s very unlikely anyone but the Gambino’s did it !

Now the Luke’s are next ...

https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/20...oss_mafia_new_york-221522742/?ref=drac-2

Its most likely it came from Italy, or something to do with Canada. Also could be drug trafficking, few days ago we had biggest cocaine seizure in New York.

do you guys realize we have the biggest mob headline since the 80s ?!
that's crazy !
what next ?!!?!

His brother Joseph and brother-in-law Peter Inzerillo are also made.

It almost seems personal. Otherwise what’s the gain from an LCN point of view?

if it's not from the gambino's then it's outside
so that means they have to revenge
then we have an official war going on
i don't get it
they didn't learn that war means bad for business ?!

cali have a brother ?! what rank is he ?

sorry for the tons of posts i'm just shocked...

youre so excited. like my little boy on christmas.

Both were soldato.

haha
i'm shocked yeah it's a big news

I think it was Gene Gotti

Wow, talk about a crazy night! I agree with whoever said the getaway driver seemed to run him over on their way out. Looks like Cali fell (more than likely moved away from the shooter) and looks like he fell to the left of his SUV kind of putting him in the road and then we assume the driver ran over the body or clipped it on the way out of there? Pure speculation of course.

Honestly I didn't think we'd ever see a boss clipped in NYC in this day and time, so this is very surprising. I don't think we'll ever see Canada problems just yet, but this is beyond nuts!!

Investigators, including the FBI, are now probing whether the rub out was sanctioned by the commission or whether it was carried out by a “cowboy” gunman.

It can be million things,especially his connections to Sicily and his wife being Inzerillo. But also it can be something from Canada, as we see in Canada they kill everyone who stand in their way. Gene Gotti theory is absurd.

I doubt it; Possible but extremely unlikely. What do Gene have to gain from this rub-out?

No way gene was behind this

Rest In Peace Frankie boy, Rest In Peace.

I don’t think it was Gene gotti, that’s extremely far fetched. Could have something to do with that cocaine seizure or maybe Periscos death. Somebody was waiting for persico to die maybe before they tried something. Colombo’s? Don’t see why but it sure is a coincidence. Probably zips or ndrangheta.

the last boss was killed 34 years ago by JOHN GOTTI

his brother came out of jail in 2018


it can not be a coincidence

Just thinking out loud little nicks coming out the can next year, paving the way for him and others to return to power

“They don’t want no flashy leaders, no weekly social-club meetings,” The Post reported the source as saying.
The Gambino family demoted Gene from capo — a member of the family who heads a "crew" — to soldier because he was in prison. It is not yet clear whether Gene will resume his role as capo or insist on a higher rank in the family. Reports allege that he oversaw a loan-sharking operating while he was in prison.
“Everyone hopes he will be low-key and just make a living, but that is very un-Gotti-like,” the law-enforcement official said.

Out of nowhere...

Thats support my long time hypothesis " We don't know anything about modern LCN activity in USA" To much bla bla.

The hit looks a litte bit easy. Imo Thats speaks against Gotti. If it Gotti's plan... it will be an interesting year.

If Cali was the true and only connection through port of Newark, you don't kill him over 1 lost shipment, even if it was $77M. Unless maybe you have a new pipeline set up. But 20 years of reliable business?

I think someone in NYC, whatever family, was sick of seeing him run the family as a drug enterprise for Zips.

Either that, or the Zips were upset over his moves in Palermo.

Other option is somehow, some way the right people found out he was cooperating. Otherwise, why act with such haste? Leave the body? In front of the home? There's been a flurry of court activity with major staten island guys (the 2 bonnanos who just got off, Frank Camuso who is under investigation). Plus, Crea and Madonna in WC and all the discovery evidence in their trial. Who knows.

If it's a personal beef, an arrest will be imminent. Every house on that block has a camera. Bridges in and out of SI either scan EZ pass or take a picture of the car to bill you later.

In particular about the higher powers.

I am interested in if in this day that they can pull off a hit like this without five guys calling each other when it’s done or using a legal car or do it in front of four cameras ect....

its probably internal mannino gene gotti crew etc. If not it comes from another ny family and linked with all this canada stuff

Great aerial footage of Cali’s 1.7 million dollar home

https://youtu.be/Ixd19qPR5mc

outside of is home !!?
if it's such a high class neighborhood then why don't they have cameras around or maybe at his house ?
and if they do have then we might see some arrests soon and get more info about the hit

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I don't think the Gottis were/are at odds with Cali he was trusted by Jackie D'Amico.

Definitely surprised this AM. Sad it sounds like his kids were there, regardless of what he may have done in life feel bad for the wife and kids

Took a chance sending one guy if that’s the case , but using one guy does a load of good for who ever ordered the hit because one one guy that could possibly talk and one one guy to kill if you are the guy that ordered it.

not gene gotti ordering the murder but i could imagine him and his group stiring up all types of shit a violent palace coup. putting batterys in peoples back. like funzi tieri telling tony bannannas go ahead get rid of angelo bruno youll be boss. frank cali also could have been like big paul the guys didnt respect his gangster he was more a business man

What amazing news, from all accounts he was a "seasoned, smart, pro" running the family, had been groomed forever and obviously was low key. To mask such a dramatic public hit is just unthinkable.

It seems to have to be internal or the wrath of god would descend upon any other family that made this call and why do they need this heat unless it was the west side over an issue he would relent or negotiate on.

Everyone assume he was the "official boss" do we have any proof ? The news from the Gambino's has been especially quiet for nearly decade.

As for the "personal beef" idea, no way he's dealing with people directly that would actually have the balls to take him out. People, remember, he was the BOSS of the Gambino's that alone would make most people shake in their shoes.

If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd say Nick and Jo Jo" Corozzo were behind it. They had the balls, resources, connections and probably the eye on the top spots for the last 25 years

We don't know what they took away while he was gone.. Even though there was someone watching his personal business, We don't know about what was on the street. Plus Peter was the acting boss.. Disrespect. The Gotti's take what's theirs.. Pure speculation on my part.. Maybe too obvious

New York Mafia: What's happening to the Five Families?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47566981

They definitely have Cameras, especially around his home. I never met one who didn't..

Whatever about the kids, the wife knew what he did for a living and the risks it entailed being a criminal and leader of a drug empire, with all its fucked up implications on broader society.

If she's anything like Josephine Massino, Victoria Gotti and most of them, fuck her.

Rest in Pieces, Frank. LOL at the tire squashing his head like Phil Leotardo in The Sopranos.

Maybe that's where the hitter got the idea?

Definitely not.. They are happy with what they have. No reason. Nicky was boss for a short time and it didn't work out in his favor. If it was closer to his release then they'd be a possibility. Cali evidently screwed someone either internally or externally.. Eventually it will come out..

Fuck her? Dude do yourself a favor an for once just be quiet. You bring zero to the conversation 99.9% of the time. Here’s news for you, nobody cares what you think of OC. You aren’t changing the world for the better with your rhetoric.
You must live a very sad and boring life and I feel for you but do yourself a favor and talk about what you know.
Like Martin Cahill or whatever.

Does anyone know if the fallout was true that Cali supposedly had back a year or so ?

It’s possible he was on the outs and refusing to let go ?

And then there is a chance he was the boss and they took him out.

If anyone outside is going to make a move on a family that’s not in the family it’s not going to be a move on the largest family it’s just not making sense if it’s a outsider.

I apologise. I didn't know you had to be Italian in order to be allowed to talk about the mob. His body isn't even cold yet. Every post in the thread is complete speculation. If people want to pay tribute to a felon like he's the pope, then I am entitled to have the opposite purview.

And I don't have a sad and boring life. I watched The Bridges of Madison County with your mother last night.

You sound hurt lol but carry on

k.

where is your humanity?i do not understand why you're not banned. this was somebody's father, husband, brother, friend, etc.

Damn!!! I did not think this news was real. Wow.

This is some wild stuff right here. First thing I thought when I heard last night was that big cocaine bust. (Hidden in dried fruit) pretty sure Cali owns/owned a fruit import export biz. But pure speculation.
Had to post for this one. What up Pmac

Regardless you aren’t the judge and jury. So just stop crying 24/7. Join the FBI if it’s so important to you dude, or volunteer at a soup kitchen. You’ll feel better than writing your pointless ramblings

Heard Cali was a rat but I find that very hard to believe

https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/neigh...ets-that-killed-gambino-boss-frank-cali/

I feel good. Frank Cali's dead!

I'd like Oak's opinions on this.

Look how reactionary you are 😂. You put his picture as your avatar after one person said something to you. I’m dying over here. My guy, I truly feel sorry for you. Please seek help, it’s obvious it would do you a world of good. I can feel your anger behind the screen lmao

I was gonna do that anyway lol.

Cali at a charity event.

I can see where you are coming from, but seeing your father shot is notsomething anyone deserve

Maybe I'm just too soft

https://www.inquisitr.com/5341703/new-york-city-mafia-war-gambino-boss-francesco-cali/

New York City Mafia War May Be On As Francesco Cali, Reputed Gambino Family Boss, Is ‘Hit’ Outside His House

For the first time since 1985, a New York City Mafia boss has been assassinated, in what may be signs of the city's first big mob war in decades.

Than why you post that crap? If you find it hard to believe? Shouldn’t put a jacket on anyone unless you have proof. Speaking ill of the dead out of school brings some bad juju

I believe its a personal thing. The huge fear of Cosa Nostra is gone. I think its some gangster maybe a friend of him or maybe a LCN member who had a beef with him. Maybe someone he tried to extort. Thats what i think, I think the theories you guys have are to much like LCN back in the days.

Where are all the bosses in this Dom? Manning ( who took Cali) spot ? Gene Gotti , Peter Gotti ???

Would he not go away possibly? Was it to far gone to get Frankie to a meeting and have him disappear that would make much more sense if it was Gambinos involved why all the bullets ?

Did I fuckin say he was?? I said I heard he was and if you know how to read you can clearly see that I said I find it hard to believe. And the only reason I posted it was to see if anyone else could give me input on it.

Everything written about the Gambino Borgata inthe last decade has been speculation, and info from rats like Mikey Scars and that piece of shit poser Albanian who haven’t been in the circle in about15 years. Nobody knows what Frank was into.
This wasn’t Genie Boy or Johnny Carnegs nobody wants their name on the Marquee and the heat that comes with it. This could be something totally from left field or not.
These Sicilians are very secretive and clan oriented is what I do know. Frank Cali and fentanyl doesn’t jibe, loads of blow going to Europe doesn’t mesh either since Ndrangheta has their own connects at the source. More May be revealed but likely not.

Read a post that Gene and his crew masterminded and manipulated the whole drug bust to make Cali look bad; Then had someone from the outside murder him.

Not sure how accurate this and know nothing about the situation.

I just dont see why Gene would have anything to do with the whole situation.

Cant wait for the facts; See alot of rumors out there.

I made a poll on who killed cali,give your vote.

https://doodle.com/poll/9usyg5xps5ahrtrf

Putting something out there publicly than saying ‘ but I don’t believe it’ does not remove the implication.
That’s like the ‘ no disrespect intended but...... “ doesn’t remove the disrespectful thing that comes out next. Sheesh, maybe that’s how I survived outside on the streets and inside the can and lived to be 64 by keeping my mouth shut and not opening it unless I had something to say.

I highly doubt it came from within the Gambino family...They don't even kill snitches !!

If you're unwilling to use violence, sooner or later someone who is willing will move in on ya...

I agree with the other poster who said there's no fear factor anymore...Nobody fears retribution !!

Cool story bro

Hey thanks for that one... where was this posted at? There seems to have been a lot of things going on lately behind the scenes. Gene, Johnny, carmine shitting the bed and finally letting go of the family.
I heard some rumors but can’t verify or post without blowback.
A secret society is just that. A secret. Even when Joey lunchtrucks rolled I know for fact he lied about motives for killings especially about why he had Cesare Bonventre killed and George from Canada.

Huge fear is gone, but killing a high ranked mafia member or anyone that is high up in organized crime, its like you signed your death. So its probably from Italy/Something with Canada.

Not when you have rats walking around. The fear is mostly gone. At least outside those inner circles.

The timing is interesting based on the following:

1. Persico dying - if the hit had to be sanctioned; whomever is Acting for the Colombo's could have given an approval from their end.
2. The 77M coke shipment discovered - Sicilian backed/Canadian based or even straight from Sicily.
3. Whats Genovese policy on drugs these days? Another reason, another family approval.
4. From within - someone had mentioned the Corrozo's who have been waiting a long time (also close with Gene Gotti) - there is another approval, giving the necessary approvals to put this in motion.

Read Italian newspapers, they will give a lot of info.

I get what your say however when guys like Sammy are walking around AZ like nothing happened its hard to buy into the fear factor. Remember this is the US not Italy.

Very good article

Killed Gambino boss Frank Cali may have been lured outside by car crash

https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/kille...ay-have-been-lured-outside-by-car-crash/

Here's my two cents for what its worth, so I'll throw my hat in the ring:

1. If the Gambinos wanted him gone it raises the questions of was it sanctioned by the commission? which other families conspired/gave the nod? who did the work?

- To me, if this wasnt sanctioned by the commission, sort of a Castellano situation, then I'd have to believe the idea of the commission is finished. The golden rule is in order to knock off the head you need the OK. So if they don't meet for that then why would they
meet otherwise.

2. Is it repercussions from the drug seizure this week?

- Someone's out some big money. Being that he was into drugs as much as he was, he had to have had a hand in the receiving end. Plus with the family having a Sicilian crew in NJ, it makes sense for them to over see it.
- Not to mention they shot him at his HOUSE. Why was he there? If law enforcement says hes been known to keep such a low profile, then why was he home and exposed like that? Because maybe he knew his time was coming after dropping the ball on such a big
shipment?

3. With everything going on in Canada right now, its a long shot, but I wonder if they're playing a part in any of this?

- I know someone mentioned that the issues in Canada aren't about any of the families " taking over control Montreal, Toronto, etc". But with drugs being a big motive up there between the clans, you wonder if this does have any reach.



I could be way off here......

MOB WARS Gambino boss Frank Cali, 53, shot dead just months after ‘heir’
to his mafia throne Gene Gotti was released from prison

https://www.thesun.ie/news/3866137/...one-gene-gotti-was-released-from-prison/

Nothing surprises me any more, the only constant fact is money rules and greed has no bounds. I never knew anything about Frank Cali except what I read and heard and it was all good but there are some coincidences that can not be ignored. I am still convinced that Carmine Persico was the one behind the hit on Joe Colombo but framed it in such a way to implicate Joe Gallo. After all who benefited from Colombo being shot ? Colombo was drawing heat to the thing but economically Persico benefitted although living behind bars 3/4 of a life is hardly an enjoyable way to live.

Crazy news this is.

The FBI wacked him. It wouldn’t be the first time

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-yor...er-indictment-arrest-20190314-story.html

Anyone know more about this Pandrella guy?

Also the nydaily news reports the feds are watchin Gene as a possible suspect bc they have no other leads

I would think thered be a fed surveillance vehicle at Calis house almost 24/7 no?.. i know the mob squads numbers are way down bc of terrorism but they still have a Gambino squad and hes the Gambino boss who else would they surveil?

You would think

highly doubt they have the budget for it right now, plus it would have stuck out like a sore thumb in that neighborhood

Members of the UBN pulling off another hit. They've been doing alot more hits lately. 😎

I don’t think the fbi is underfunded or any government agency

I wonder if the Americans felt the Sicilians/Italians held too much power and wanted to take the family back?

the fbi as a whole, definitely not. but it's been known for a long time that they've cut the OC division into a much smaller piece. I just don't think they would spend that money on surveillance on the guys house 24/7.

The Royal Family and the Bush's are lizard people.

History repeating itself?

You'd think he'd have had a gun on him, out of instinct if anything. I mean he's a guy who has to take precautions. Surely it would have crossed his mind that it was an ambush?

Carrying a gun when u are that high ranking is really stupid , if someone wants to kill you , its going be an ambush and gun wont help you at all. It can only bring you trouble if u get stopped & searched by police , getting arrested for gun when u earn millions from who knows what crimes

From the press conference the reports of Cali being run over are inaccurate

NYPD said that shooting was captured on video , suspect is male 25-40 years old. He was having conversation with Cali when he pulled a gun and shot him.

so can that be a random argument ?
very very very hard to believe...
but who knows for now

I was thinking more in the lines of a gun ostensibly used for home protection. Not one carried on his person at all times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/14/nyregion/frank-cali-dead-gambino.html

Well very hard to believe , but 12 shots from gun doesn't sound too professional.

Saw the press briefing. The shooting sounds random.

Cali went outside; Had a conversation with someone and 1 minute into that conversation; He was shot several times.

The FEDS also stated he wasnt run over by a car. It looks as he was ducking for cover or trying to get under his SUV..

I don't think this was a random act. No way..

I highly doubt its random shooting , but if it is , that guy is dead man walking

Randomly murder the boss of the Gambino crime family in front of his house? Impossible.

the fact that they had conversation means
that either:
that was a personal beef with someone (maybe lcn related or maybe not)
or that was random
because i think that if it was a sanctioned hit
then he needed to shoot and get over with it
especially outside of his house...
and not talk to him before he shoot

NYPD Press Conference:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/4046872-nypd-news-conference-on-killing-of-frank-cali/

i agree !
but as i said it's still weird why would he take that risk of talk to him before he took the shoots ?

Cali was really cautious and low key , he didn't meet with a lot of people ,it was hard to catch him off guard. But crashing into his car , he gets out to see whats up , shooter come to him start apologizing to calm Cali down , and then he kills him.

Maybe the shooter wanted to know he had the right guy, so that's why they had a short talk.

yeah but outside of is house !? a big mansion !
who could that be if not him...

well that's a good point of view !
they always said that he is very lowkey

Very well could have been random. Some guy who had a few drinks after a long day at work, runs into and hits Cali's parked car. Words are exchanged and the guy unloads. Seems plausible.

Or it wasn't, and someone made a move, in a sloppy, very public way.

LE has video. This will be solved.

Bingo!

We have a Winner.

I'm leaning towards this as well

its a hit who else is rolling around a wensday night in the riches part of staten island packing heat. did the nypd or feds publicly annouce he was the head of the gambino family?

just read the daily news article . so hes acting boss for who pete gotti??? if thats the case peters making gene acting boss the second he got home 6 months ago and cali didnt want to step down case closed home slice

proving it well that will be hard. and its not killing a boss if pete gotti still hold the tittle. and theres no commission any more massino said it on the stand. days of voting to replace or kill a boss gone. even carmine galantes killing has been proven over and over wasnt a commmission vote. rustelli said kill him hes getting to big for his britches

the 3 capo hit wasnt a commission thing. i guess the commission okd all the plotters on angelo brunos murder killed

No way this was random. According to the press conference the truck got in front of Cali’s car and then backed up into it. Then the guy shoots 12 shots at him? Crazy

Ding ! Ding ! Ding ! If it’s inside then Cali did not want to sit when told to sit .


But did the killer - killers do it right !

I don't think anyone gave OK to do this , this caused insane heat , everyone are talking about it , it was trending on twitter ,front page of yahoo etc.

They are going to have feds all over,this will be solved pretty fast.

If I recall reading somewhere, Pete Gotti was the dumb one. This may start to make sense. I'll be shocked if they don't find the gunman at least in very short order.

Gene Gotti did seem to be as egotistic as his brother John, but I don't see it...He just served almost 3 decades in prison..You would think he'd wanna lay low...The only way I would put him behind it if Cali basically said f**k you, you got nothing coming

Also who the hell would support him in that decision.

Right....Shooting him in front of hishouse with his young son running outside yelling papa, papa....Its a headline news type hit...Nobody wants that !!

There were multiple reports Cefalu purged Peter Gotti and shelved him.. I highly doubt anyone wants an idiot like Peter running anything. Besides he’s a hundred years old.

This hit will be solved in days.. I doubt Gene wants to go right back to prison.

Yeah it was ugly but it’s one or the other and many of many guys have been gunned down in the street .

It’s one or the other . It’s just so coincidental .

After 9/11 they disbanded the specific family task forces and now have just one for all 5 families. I doubt they post up in front of house every single day.

If he said f*ck you to gene that could be true.

Sicilians Canadians internal, any other crime group or gangs.. it literally could be anyone. Was reading the normal news on google then suddenly saw this like 15 mins ago. Was like wtf that’s huge. 2019 heating up in NY LCN.

Sad it was in front of family. Well any murders sad, don’t care if he lcn or whatever. RIP done well in a 2m mansion boss in 50s.

What's up with the sloppy hits these days?

Firing 12 shots...running him over afterwards...

Bloody hell

NYPD denied that he was run over afterwards.

Did Cefalu actually step down as Boss because there were conflicting reports about that.

Could he have had a hand?


I actually doubt Gene would put himself in a situation where he'd go back to prison.

Very sloppy hit.

By the way; He was never ran over; There conflicting reports about that. He ducked behind cover after he was shot trying to get under the SUV.

Thats why i think its Sicilian related, or Canada , they are nuts , they don't give a fuck about how they are going to kill you , even blowing up people

Well even then...that gunman was almost busting caps as if it were a 90's Compton shootout.

Or he could’ve been tarnished with the rat rumour forcing a quick aggressive hit like that outside of his house. Eager to find out the story man

I have no use for gangsters, but people don't choose their fathers. One article says his son went running out into the street screaming "Papa!". I don't care who he was, his kids don't deserve to have to see their father killed.

Agreed. any decent human being would also agree.

Credits to another poster from another board. This shit is so confusing

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hitma...ense-plate-before-shooting-him-to-death?


The driver is wearing a hoodie and a baseball cap, so his face is not clearly visible as he and Cali speak. Cali reaches into his pants pocket, as if to suggest he had a gun.

The driver then bends down and picks up the license plate. He holds it out to Cali, who takes it and steps over to the rear of the Escalade.

Cali has his back to the driver as he puts the license plate into the trunk of his Escalade. The driver chooses this moment to produce a gun and shoots Cali.

They will solve this case soon if this is all on video

The way I remember it, Al D'Arco portrayed him as the opposite.

Telling me it was a premeditated hit and pulled off right ? No way the hitter gives him a legitimate plate or is this a Philly hit .

That is some wild shit...

The hitter gave Cali Cali's plate that was dislodged off his vehicle when the getaway car hit it.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something.

why does he took cali's license plate ? what is it some sort of a message ? what's going on here ?!

It fell off Cali's stationary car when the hitter's car smashed into it.

The hitter picked it up and gave it to Cali, who was in the process of putting it in his boot, when the hitter took the opportunity to shoot him.

That's what I get out of it.

Me too I don’t get what’s so hard to understand lol

so if that so then it probably was all set up

So Cali walked out of his house w/ a gun (we think) on him- that doesn’t seem normal if he really just thought someone tapped his truck..... He must have felt something was possible...I say this has to do w/ that shit ton of coke that has Pmac daydreaming...... I would be shocked if this ends up being Gene making a play.....although the guy probably is still stuck in the 80’s- maybe he thought bosses still get hit...lmao

😂😂😂😂 or he could have been bluffing and making it seem like he had a gun just Incase it was a set up(which it obviously was)

it's seems like we might see some arrests very soon like maybe even next week or so

Talk about making him feel comfortable!! To be that relaxed and to let it unfold ! Got to hand it to the guy if it was premeditated hit ...well have to say he got it done.

I'm surprised nobody has commented on the similarity to Vito whacking that guy whose car he rear-ends in The Sopranos. As soon as the guys back is turned after talk of swapping insurance details he's killed.



Cali would obviously be very cautious so whoever has thought this hit out has had to think outside the box a little. Crash into his car by the way of an accident, get him into a vulnerable spot, act genuine/remorseful and then take him out. It could be anybody, we obviously don't know hardly anything about what goes on in LCN and beyond but it really could be anybody. To take out a boss though - and a boss who is so well connected like Cali is - takes balls for a start but it also indicates that Cali has pissed the wrong person or people off so bad that A, they've got permission for the hit or B, they don't give a fuck about that and have just taken him out anyway.


It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out. What are the odds of retaliation here? The media is going a bit crazy over the possibility of a war but between who? It's all up in the air right now.

Why would you crash into your victims Truck..What happens if your Pick-up doesn't start due to the hit or flat tire..? Is there a back car close by..?..Extremely crazy Hit. I'm sure there was plenty of other places to whack Cali. Maybe someone sending message to His Wife's Family (Sicilian Mob Ties Inzerillo crime family ) since they did it in front of his Home.

www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-metro-gambino-cali-gene-gotti-nypd-staten-island-20190314-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Thought same .... guy must of just wedged it or something little just to get him out the door.... still this is weird.

Would’ve tapped the car. Very clever strategy.

However if Cali knew he had heat on him and he sees a hoody and hat guy outside I must say it does seem naive. I suppose no one expects it until they get it. Wouldn’t surprise me if the hitter is back in Palermo now chilling 50gs up. Some heavy shit. Reminds me a little of when rusty got hit (frankie valli) in sopranos..

They hit him with back of truck, not with a front , cant do much damage at all

The Sicilian Cupola met several times on the turf of the Inzerillos.

On March 6th 2017, March 10th, May 22nd and May 25th 2018. And, perhaps, on May 29th, the Cupola bosses all went to Passo di Rigano for the commission meeting: their mobile phones were turned off in the upper area of ​​Viale Michelangelo. Where did the meeting take place? Certainly, there was an authoritative mafioso from Passo di Rigano that day, Giovanni Sirchia, as the interceptions say.

You guys are so funny an either don't read or do any research.

1st, mansion? That's no mansion. It's a regular old is house. Watch the video.

Second, by all accounts he was well liked and was asked and turned down the top spot in what 2012/2013 by all accounts.

3rd, the last Officlal Boss was Quiet Dom Cefalu and they were tight

4th, Peter Gotti is nothing to nobody and not even boss in name sake - that's a press thing to keep the Gotti name alive.

5th, if this large coke shipment bust was indeed related to him he'd be having the killing done not the other way around. You think he's driving, arranging or protecting that shit. He's 15 people removed from anything.

6th, this is internal to the Gambino's. they knew where he lived, the best time to get him there and probably felt he would be most relaxed existing his house on short notice. Maybe the whole ruse was to get his back turned so he couldn't run, defend himself or otherwise survive as it sounds like once his back was turned he was shot and then shot multiple times while on the ground. 12 casings, not taking any chances of surviving.

Someone felt it was there time and that was that.

I understand where you are coming from , especially from back in the day but there seems to have been a bunch of associates killed the last few years and more recently ( the Det said this too) . Plus after reading the Ronnie G. bust, Porky bust and Crea beef it’s pretty clear to me people are getting popped & assaulted regularly in that life . In NY at least

If its internal to Gambinos ,they are fucked.Feds will be all over them , this is headline news all over the world , insane heat

The plate? Is it possible the two of them were in the mid of some type of Car Exchange? or maybe Cali was buying the plate? Could that be just how the Hitter was using to get close to 'em?

Either, R.I.P. Cali


My heartfelt condolences to his family!

IDK, say 4 guys made the hit call and they got one shooter and that shooter is already dead, in Canada or in Italy, sounds like a tough nut to crack if the truck, license plate lead nowhere, stolen, etc.

I know nothing, but it has to be some Gambino's guys that wanted the top spot and felt he didn't deserve it. There's no way it came from outside the family, impossible.

And whacking Cali would assure they get top spot ? For top spot they need to whack a whole bunch of guys that are on top,all of them are Sicilian faction and really close to Cali

I thought Peter Gotti was just boss in ceremony only, a lightning rod if you will. I can't say that I remember his name being mentioned all that frequently in recent news dispatches about the Gambino family.

Re: Cefalu. I remember the press announcing he was anointed as the boss but was that ever official? I feel they jumped the gun on that one.

Cali was also the great-nephew of Bonanno mobsters Vito and Giovanni Bonventre.

to put the whole 2000 kilo of cocoaine on the docks theory to bed and the feds deffinitly know this. the gambinos control the docks in brooklyn the new jersey dock is all genovese till this day and probaly going back 80yrs. the genovese own the new jersey docks they wouldnt let the gambinos move anything on there turf it would be a bad look. thats all cartel shit an bosses over seas.

That’s a good theory. Didn’t think of that. Good shit

pete gottis whole case was about the dock in brooklyn and payoffs, atleast half of it . with sonny ciccone

MY 2-CENTS:

Do not see this being random the shooter shot 12 times and ran up close to him

Do not see another family doing this, there would be an all out war, when was the last time a boss was taken out by another family? And the BINO's are right there with the West-Side and because they are run by the ZIPS, more likely to start a war than any other family, the ZIPS play by different rules.

Do not see the old Guard doing this they have been so under the radar and have been un touched by L.E.
Gene Gotti, NAH, he would get caught and locked back up in a MINUTE. The FEDS would LOVE to have that FEATHER, my guess he is being watched like a HAWK.

My guess is a ZIP thing from the other side

When they voted the ZIPS, into the top spot they opened themselves up to something like this, INTERVENTION from the other side.

Funny Story I was in Bensonhurst last night about 9:45 P.M. a couple blocks away from CAFE ITALIA, I had to run an errand, I ran into a friend that is in the KNOW, he told me what happened.
I drove for about another 20 mins and was going to post on here what happened and when I logged on guys were already on here talking about what happened already.

Pretty CRAZY if you think about it, a guy gets shot at 9:00 P.M. and by 10:00 P.M. already across the world people know about it.

Either way the BOSS of one of the most powerful O.C. families is gunned down, the likely hood of this being the only guy that gets hit is SLIM to NONE and another thing if the ZIPS did NOT do this well, than expect to see bodies here and back in the mother country very shortly.

So many theories about this. It can go many ways. That's why it's a surprise to many.. If it was internal, I don't expect Genie to do it himself.

Ok, it's my turn to kick the can:
When cefalu becamed acting they seeked out the approval of Peter and Gene Gotti, as the years went on, cefalu started showing less and less respect for Peter and Gene.
Thier messages to the streets fell on death ears. e even though the two brothers don't get along, they quickly realized that they need each other; Peter sends a message to Gene and makes him the new official boss upon his return to the streets. Peter don't want the heat so he sends messages through Joseph carrozzo and John Gotti Jr, his most trusted advisors. Joey tells Cali that the Gotti's are back in power but not to worry, we will take care of you...Cali laughs and says get the fuck out of here! It didn't sit to well with Gene, the old grizzly vet, John Gotti Jr sent for a young hitter form Howard beach to show everybody that the Gotti's are back in power.

Exactly, I would bet that 2,000 kg load was owned by Mexican DTO. They move that kind of weight.

thebigfella that might as well be a fairytale. Not a chance! This whole incident is very strange. Lots more questions than answers. One thing for sure if it's not internal than it will get interesting. Sicilians have long memories.......

Nothing more than a road rage incident. Cali cuts off the driver in the truck on the expressway. The guy follows Cali to his house. The guys pulls up along side of Cali. They have a shouting match, Cali tells him to go fuck himself. Cali gets shot.

Case closed!

IMO its not from the large coke bust the whacking is too soon.Whoever was involved in that would of waited a few months for the guys who fucked up to make it right.FC as boss could of easily made it right with all the connections he has all over the world.Gene gotti theory is too far fetched does he actually have the power to do that anymore????The Gotti name doesnt carry weight in it like it did in the 80s.Im guessing its probably young 40 year old age bracket American guys taking back the family

big fella i like the old guard theory but jr gotti is all done id bet his uncle doesnt even talk to him after all trge snitching or dry snitching he did. then there was stolen money. gene was a legend in his day and probaly in prison to. all them old capos even i bet dan marino all them guys corrozzo they plotted it

if cali was the official boss at the end of the day in weeks or months there has to be a new boss selected

rizzuto from the grave......

I wouldn’t discount the potential of Canada having some role in this. They’ve had interactions with Gambinos and obviously Sicilians in their drug trades.

My theory.

The old guard got sick of Sicilian leadership; and decided to have Cali whacked. Think a few old timers; along with the blessing of the Corozzo's and maybe Marino. Nick Corozzo gets out next yr so perfect timing for him to use a proxy aka Acting Boss. As someone mentioned; Take back leadership from the zips.

I doubt Gene had anything to do with this. He may have been consulted but who knows? The gotti name doesnt pull weight anymore.

Cops eye John Gotti’s brother after slaying of Gambino boss

The Gottis are back in town — and the bloodshed could just be beginning.

Police are taking a serious look at whether Gambino crime-family boss Francesco “Franky Boy” Cali was whacked in an internal war for control — with one of John Gotti’s brothers and a key associate fresh out of prison and possibly looking to seize power, law-enforcement sources told The Post on Thursday.

While the motive for the Wednesday hit on Cali outside his Staten Island home remains under investigation, cops were probing whether it was part of a brewing American-vs.-Sicilian power struggle — with Gene

Gotti looking to claw back control for the red, white and blue faction of the syndicate from Cali, the son of Sicilians with close ties to his homeland, sources say.

If so, “there’s going to be an all-out war,” one source said.

“The Sicilians are not going to sit back and let that happen.”

Gene Gotti, 72, was released from federal prison in September 2018 after 29 years behind bars for heroin dealing.

A month earlier, Gotti associate John Carneglia, 74, was released from the slammer after serving time for the same rap.

Carneglia was reputedly the one who fatally shot then-Gambino boss Paul Castellano when a team of gunmen ambushed him outside Sparks Steak House in Midtown in 1985 — on the orders of Gene’s older brother, John Gotti, who would then take over the family.

And investigators say there are real similarities between this week’s rubout — which saw a gunman open fire on Cali outside his Todt Hill home — and Castellano’s slaying.

“It’s in his bloodline,” one source said of Gene Gotti. “This is very similar in some ways to what happened to Paul Castellano in front of Sparks Steak House.”

But there’s also a big difference with the Cali hit.

“This was in front of his family, in his house. You don’t usually see this. There were other places this could’ve happened,” retired Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce said at the scene Thursday.

Boyce said that he believed it was a hit within the Gambino family, but that it was “early” to tie it to Gene, as he hasn’t been out of prison long.

John Gotti, Gene’s notorious brother, took over the Gambinos after Castellano’s slaying and ruled with a swagger while avoiding prosecution until he was finally put away in 1992.

That year, the feds hit the Teflon Don with racketeering, murder and conspiracy charges that stuck, thanks to Gotti’s right-hand man, Salvatore “Sammy the Bull” Gravano, who agreed to testify against him.

“The Teflon is gone,” James Fox, the head of the FBI in New York, said after Gotti’s conviction. “The don is covered with Velcro, and all the charges stuck.’’

John Gotti died in prison in 2002 — not at the hands of an assassin but from cancer — and was succeeded as godfather by another brother, Peter.

When Peter was put away for a lengthy stint a few years later, the Sicilian faction of the family wrested back control, first in the hands of Domenico Cefalu, then Cali in 2015

Gene was a mob captain when he was locked up — and he allegedly ran a loan-sharking operation while behind bars — so he is still entitled to a role in the Gambinos, sources previously told The Post.

Sources said on Thursday that there has been speculation that Gene might have been expecting more clout once he got out.

Cali — who married into the powerful Sicilian Inzerillo Mafia clan — had reportedly been bringing over wiseguys from the Italian island to bolster the family’s ranks because he thought they were less likely
to flip for law enforcement, sources said.

With his murder, law enforcement is on the lookout to see “if another body drops,” a source said.

If somebody does get killed, it will almost certainly be from the side behind the hit, sources say.

And if Gotti’s side was indeed behind the bloodshed, there may be other evidence.

Sources say they will likely have done practice runs to nail down the route and assess the scene before the actual slaying, and it could be caught on surveillance footage.

Gene Gotti could not be reached for comment.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/cops-eye-john-gottis-brother-after-slaying-of-gambino-boss/

It could be the Ndrangheta continuing to assert their global dominance in the drug trade. Make a big hit to send NY a message that the Calabrians are in control.

But this does seem personal. Maybe payback from Canada? Doubtful.

Also, this shit could be internal amongst the Sicilians too. Might have nothing to do with the Americans, might be a Zip war.

Remember this guy.

Same Shit.

Gunning down a boss and getting away with it doesn't seem all that sloppy to me. Regardless how did they get to him and did he not have any protection??

I agree with the above that 12 shots up close, and no body guards around a boss, sounds an awful lot like someone on the inside

Who is the underboss and street boss?

Toronto.

It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, .....

These “Made in Staten Island” promos are gettin out of hand. Karen Gravano needs to chill.

Actually it was someone (Montagna/Bonannos) wanting to regain control in Montreal from the rogue Rizzutos first and foremost with the drug pipelines being a nice addition. But it was primarly a take-over in order to install a new (Bonanno) regime.

I wonder what Tag would think of this. I certainly never saw this coming, I bet many mobsters in New York neither.

Interesting how this will play out. It will probably be quiet for a while. A mob war with all this heat will put all the families in a very tough spot now that they were finally catching a break. They have to thread very carefully now, but sooner or later there has to be a response. Would be absolutely crazy if more bodies will be dropping soon.

Back in the days there would be a big meeting between all the bosses but they can't afford to do that anymore, so intermediaries will be used in order to deal with this crises and find a suitable solution.

Tag, PizzaBoy, Ivy, Skinny, Gamms, etc etc. Some quality people back in the day who havent been around!

Key people in MTL were going down or being targetted prior to Sal's arrival. He did immediately insert himself into it though seeing he could capitalize on a power vacuum. It's believed by a lot that it was the Ontario clans trying to move in on MTL by supporting Di Maulo and Raynald Desjardins.

Someone said before, I think m2w, that it was a war that pit 2-3 factions vs 2-3 factions....

This idea it was one crew, I think is what a lot of us had fucked up..... all those crew leaders were looking to become thier own bosses.... much like say... DiLauros lieutenants......

The Calabrese wanted to get rid of the Rizzutos, keep thier hands clean, and supply ALL the groups, like the Rizzutos did....

The Bonnanos were one faction of a few.... zNo one crew was going to run it all anymore....

I dont think it's really mentioned much, but the Cuntreras were doing major business with many Calabrian families since at least the early to mid 90s...

That's right Bensonhurst when they brought the zips in this is what they asked for.Although with Carneglia and Gotti out and Corozzo due out I don't think it is impossible these old school guys were not involved.The law sure seems to think they were capable

Here she was known as "Carmela",and she knew Cali personally.

Im agree with flamingokid. There was no need to kill Calì and put a target on who would be the next Don.

1)The ndrangheta isnt powerful enought in the US to kill the boss of the second most powerful mob family;
2)the bonannos if want to take Montreal back have no interest to attire LE and media attention with so high profile killing;
3)Gene Gotti and Carneglia are both 70 y old and tired after long sentences and for sure doesn't want to turn back in jail while can easly made money under the sicilians;
4)if the drug shipment belong to a cartel, why kill Calì if the cartel impose to pay first for the drug and in the opposite the gambinos can repay the cartel;
5)why whack a boss if in this day with the snake death,for a first time from the 1980s there would be all 5 families bosses on the streets and can maybe rebuilt a commission for rebuilt the american mafia?

I havnt been to gangster bb in years but had to revisit after seeing what happened. My personal opinion is the fact that this was done at his house right out front in broad day with Frank's wife and kids inside points to foreign hitters

Btw where the hell is pizzaboy & Carmela at a historic time like this

as more as we get more details it's seems more complicated

How old are his kids? What an awful thing for them to see.

Follow the money !

Who stands to gain !


No way guys from out of the country are doing this , they don’t have the support system that the Brooklyn, Queens , Bronx guys have.

Follow the cash ! Who gets it ! The next guy up 🙂

Hilltop,SI
Road Rage on this road at 9 PM ? serious ?


My first guess Sicilians.

Against Inter Gambino theory: If he had problems in the past with his captains. Why he had not more safety precautions ?
Its look like he don't know the driver. A Gambino member he would know.

Now I start to think maybe all 5 LCN groups kill him. Maybe he work to much with Sicilians and was to greedy.

Finally we need more information. So much question are open. We don't anything sure about Canada / New York, we don't know anything about running operations between LCN and cosa nostra. We don't know how Genovese organized.
We don't know anything about connection between family's.

According to Italian police, Settimo Mineo, planned to go to the United States after being elected boss of bosses of Cosa Nostra in Sicily in order to meet probably members of the Inzerillo clan and others, but he was arrested last year.

Shocking that the boss of a major crime family wouldn't have more security around his house. Forget cameras. I would think bulletproof windows, doors, and body guards permanently stationed there.

I see what your saying but they barely even kill people anymore in New York. Let alone come to their house and do it while they’re family is inside. I bet after this everyone is on high alert tho and rolling around strapped up

I understand what you're saying, but it just seems so odd. The Gambinos are a big organization. Crime bosses is southern Europe live in literal bunkers.

Who ever did this wanted to send a message. There are just so many possibilities, but I don't know much about NYC so I can only make silly guesses. I do think LE will figure out the shooter, but I'm not so sure about who gave the order.

I would rule out anything to do with Canada. I don't think many Canadian OC members want to get extradited to the US.

in bunker live only fugitive in italy most of bosses live withouth bodyguards and walk unarmed if there is not any mafia war
anyway if was rally gotti ny could became like montreal

They all have that neapolitan guappo mentality.

When I say "bunker' I don't mean underground. I'm talking about thick/high walls around houses, multiple large dogs, cameras, bullet proof glass, thick doors etc etc.

This could be the work of a lone nutjob, a mobster aficionado just like the ones that read and post here. Why did that dude shoot John Lennon? He adored John Lennon yet he killed him. I’m just tossing this one out there. This might be about nothing.
Remember that Ciccone kid? Took a shot at John Gotti Sr. outside the Bergin ? They thought he was sent by loyalists from Joe Cat and dumped his body in Joe Cat Jrs. Candy store in SI?
Could just be a wack job proving to himself in his sick fucking twisted mind he is bad enough

My man, I NEEEEED A SOURCE, STAT LOL!!!!

Hehe..here you go.

https://livesicilia.it/2019/03/14/p...-legami-siciliani-di-frank-cali_1043394/

Lol yea show me some sources I havnt heard that one yet

@Hollander


You are a treasure my friend.... I asked all the great researchers on the other board about this.....silence

You give me a WHOLE ARTICLE in like....5 seconds, lol

Thank a ton my man!!!!!

Hollander is a good poster 👍. Love the SCU stuff he posts as well

Thanks guys.

Everything We Know About the Gambino Mob Boss Who Just Got Whacked

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...ust-got-whacked?utm_campaign=sharebutton

The nature of the hit...in front of his house and in front of his family....just doesn’t seem like something American LCN would do. For one, he’s a boss. And it’s 2019. It just doesn’t make sense. I mean unless this guy was so hard to get to that this was the only plausible way. The NY Times article quoted an anonymous law enforcement official that said Cali was like a “ghost” and no one ever saw him. So maybe whoever did it had been trying and this was a last resort.

It seems like he was a hard target to hit it wouldn’t surprise me if his home was the only place they could catch him and that’s why it went down how it went down

You've seen the Godfather Movie too many times.. They don't want attention anymore..

Are there really any rules today..? I am surprised too. I guess rules are to be broken to suit one's needs..

Maybe the Americans want back in the drug game.

It´s already a media spectacle, imagine when there´s gonna be a trial.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1106483821292195840/yakolSjA?format=jpg&name=600x314

Yeah but according to most people Gene was different than John and there was always tension between them. Maybe because Gene was well liked and was made before John. I dont think he had anything to do with Cali but I wouldnt doubt that he still wants to be involved. I mean he has been with the Gambinos since he was basically a teenager despite his long jail term

Was Cali underboss or boss?

Tag, PizzaBoy, Ivy, Skinny, Gamms, etc etc. Some quality people back in the day who havent been around!
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Skinny was a Chump and a Punk. He would not know shit about this.
Kid was a fraud.

All the others, Solid and would have great input.

Still unclear could also be acting boss. The whole administration is from the “18th Avenue Crew”.

Giovanni Gambino pays tribute to Frank Cali

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...te-Gambino-crime-boss-Frank-Cali-53.html

Gene did extra time in the can so there would be no conditions on his release where Johnny Carnegs chose to get out earlier and go to a halfway house.
With unconditional release means you can’t get violated for having a cup of coffee with another lcn.
Media is pointing fingers at gene right now which is kind of bullshit but as soon as gene was released the post put some stuff out there that implied there would be trouble.
I can’t see it but as others said Geney Boy has been around a long time. If you have a million in shy money out on the street minimum that’s 300k a year but points go to the people collecting etc. It’s not a lot of money for living in NYC.

Do your math again it's a lot more than 300k a year....would be $1,560,000 at 3 points a week....

TMZ caught up with Giovanni Russo (he played Carlo in Godfather 1, and is pretty close with some people in the life. Tommy Belotti was the best man in his wedding and Castellano was a friend of his, too). He said he wasn’t friends with Cali but met him a few times. He said he didn’t think it was an internal Gambino thing because they never woulda killed him like that. He said he thought Cali was making a lot of money in drugs, and was probably hurting the bottom line of whoever did it.

https://youtu.be/6qIXFtCvew8

Yes you are right, even if he splits the vig with collectors that’s 750k. I don’t know how it works with kick ups and such but there are knock down loans, penalty points etc.
I would be fricking happy withhalf that a year but I’m not wired for greed anymore. I figure the money I made from my crimes and can time I would have been better off squared up punching a clock for sure. A mastermind I was not nor will be.

Underboss.

Bruce Mouw said Cali was UB and Cefalu is still boss.

NBC said 2 separate LE sources say Cali was UB.

Cefalú has been boss the entire time. He is the top guy.

So if Cali is UB doesn't that rule out a power struggle theory? Who takes his place? Thoughts?

Gambino boss Frank Cali shook hands with killer before shooting, investigators say

https://abc7ny.com/sources-gambino-boss-shook-hands-with-killer-before-shooting/5195735/

LE saying it was a mob hit .

No it’s possible Dom is going along with whatever this is and it’s possible Frankie did not want to take a step back or was not willing to split something and the people we’re sending a message to the rest of the family that if you push back you will go.

Then there is the other possibility that he did someone bad and that guy got this plot in his head and now he will be dead if it’s from a outsider so that’s a lose lose for him or them.

The guys that would have done this are possible up in age and they know there is not time for it to come natural or they don’t care and have just made there way up much quicker.

But someone above him or and just below him are in with whatever is going on , otherwise the guy above him would of went first unless Frankie had more pull overseas smart to take Frank first.

ides of march.... ol roman time deadline for settling debts

I appreciate your post but Giovanni Gambino is a Nobody...

Once again.. A comment by a Nobody.. Russo is a outsider just like many.. He's trying to stay relevant.

He’s a total loser and a wannabe writing his little fan fiction.

I know, his father was the real deal though.

If this was internal, the next move would be for Dom to step down...Cali was his muscle

it could be approved by the commission anyway, who knows, persico died, they formed a new one probably
if it's totally internal to gambino's, withouth any official ok, like gotti with castellano in 1985, it could spread really a bad mafia war in ny and gene gotti the next target if he's behind

Leave it to TMZ to summon the posers for this one.

Serp, the more I read and see news reports the more I think this was personal beef and not mob related. Only time would tell. But the fact that he was killed in front of his house smells to me. To many cameras in Staten Island.

@Beenshooter.

Very fishy for him to be murdered infront of his home but its still not uncommon. Well atleast historically.

Angelo Bruno killed infront of his home.
Sam Giancana killed in his home while cooking
The Riccobene brother was shot and killed infront of his mother.
Phil Testa blown to pieces at home
Greg Scarpa and family were nearly killed infront of their home.

Who ever killed him; Wanted him gone.

LE seemed to imply that the CCTV footage captured was grainy and unable to capture any identifying features. Maybe the hitter/s knew of the shoddy CCTV quality beforehand and hoodie and/or cap was enough of a precautionary measure?

That he was killed in front of wife and childeren is not weird happens all the time maybe not in the US in the recent past but maybe times are changing in NY.

Fat Pete Chiodo's civilian sister ambushed in car outside her home.

Vinnie Fusaro killed outside his home by Greg Scarpa while hanging Christmas lights on his garage during the Colombo war in the 90s.

Nicky Grancio was killed by Scarpa's crew while in the presence of his nephew, who was hit with fragments.

I bet the gambinos we’re responsible for getting that big 77$ millions dollar coke shipment in safely and when it got busted they wanted him to pay up and he said no and then they whacked his ass.

That drug shipment belongs to Mexicans , you cant organize a murder of man like Cali in 4 days.

Good point and how do you know it belongs to the Mexicans

It's an outdated theory. Have you read Daniel Renaud's books on the Montreal mob war and Vito Rizzutto, as well as the book by Joe Di Maulo's daughter? There's been tons of discussion about this with a wealth of info provided by several posters on the BH forum.

But let's not derail this thread with this discission.

Also its not internal , you need to whack a lot of them to get to power,because sicilians are on top of Gambinos, you won't get shit if u whack one of them. You still have Cefalu and Mannino who are extremely powerful. Even if it is internal , they would never do it this way, too much heat and feds all over. This is a Sicilian thing , i am sure Sicilians whacked him because he was involved in getting Inzerillos back to Sicily.

[quote=thebigfella]If this was internal, the next move would be for Dom to step down...Cali was his muscle[/quote

This is crazy if this is true ... so it’s Pete , Gene , Dom, and Mannino , Gurino , Julaino at the top ?? ?


If so nothing has changed other then some of the skippers got behind Pete and Frankie did not want to play Gotti and the rest is what it is and then Corozzo get out soon and you have plenty of old cats trying to play in this new world.

These guys at their age are willing to put themselves in the line of fire after the run they have had for the past 8 years untouched???

With the way the LE is in the US, I'm having a hard time believing that this would be internal or American LCN related. This is either coming from Canada or Italy, and seeing how Cali has Sicilian connections and the Gambinos doing business with mobsters from Toronto, Canada seems like a good candidate here. This possibly all goes back to drug trafficking/distribution. I think it's best for American mobsters to get out of the drug game and stick to safer routes like construction and gambling.

First 48 hours are crucial.

Possible this never gets solved.

Unless a rat talks down the road.

Is Jo Jo Corozzo still around?

it's typical, nothing strange, the best for a secretive guy like cali and a city full of cameras like ny, the murder was very professional, probably zips
just see the difference with zottola one, they used blacks and they got arrested, i doubt they catch this killer in a short period

Whose His Father..? This guy tells more stories than Mr. Rogers..

Again the new jersey docks are the genovese turf if the gambinos were pulling shit on the turf it would be bad . They split it up years ago genovese have new jersey and i think lower Manhattan gambinos have brooklyn. The docks have been genovese turf since forever. They still pick the union boss gigantes kids own shipping container companys. Its in there pocket

Yes He's still around

Yeah Mikey ...but does @ his age Gene have the bother or the balls 2 take a page out of John's book?

The theme of killing someone at their home seems to be quite popular in Canada, Nicolo Rizzuto Sr, Joe Di Maulo, Angelo Musitano, Cece Luppino, Al Iavarone, etc. This Cali hit seems to follow that pattern. The Canada theory is very legit.

Yeah thats what im saying, i am sure its Sicilians because he is involved with Inzerillos

The feds seem to have a real pulse on the mafia in today’s day and age. I’m sure all questions will be answered sooner rather than later.

I get that LCN isn't as violent as it used to be, but at the end of the day, it is a criminal organization and the guys in the life will put in work if they have to or have something big to gain. With risk comes reward. There's been numerous incidents of violence recently, especially in NY. I think it's a power play move within the Gambinos. Older American Gambinos are behind this, I bet. Zips don't drive pickup trucks.

ZERO chance this is random or a road rage incident.

If it’s a Gambino thing then that’s it they will handle there own.

Now guys are saying other countries or guys from other countries “ you are talking something way way different !

You are talking the five families and what ever is left in America going at these guys .... that shit would be personal and you would get young recruits coming out of the woodwork to get in a family to get at these guys ....

I don’t think none of them are stupid enough to take a shot at a American family......that would be stupid .... talking about killing business ..... guys would do everything to get them and there rackets .

Even people on the edge would be looking for pay back .... I would not doubt guys taking random shots At known members of International crew.

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makes sense pmac.

Driving a pickup truck and listening to Creedence before whacking. As American as it gets.

makes sense pmac..definitely.

If the hit came from out of country, there's not much that can be done. The American LE is so up these guys that they don't have that kind of freedom, not to mention they would not even know who to hit, as this could be from Sicily, Calabria, Toronto, or Montreal.

Killing a guy this big is most like not internal. Its probably a message for them to get out of the drug game.



The type of car being driven here is irrelevant, it's completely possible that this hit came from multiple layers. In Canada we see most of the hits being carried by associates rather than actual family members.

New and final pmac theory.... genovese crews are pissed gambinos running huge drug shipment threw there docks now there all under investigation. Someone's gotta pay. The genovese have never been shy to take out other familys boss or underboss. It was a sneak but cali is known as a international drug guy. Probaly working wit the cartels and didnt cutt the genovese nj wing in.

Nope , just no. Genovese would never do this and attract this much heat and feds

Wouldn't put my money on the West Side either, but you know...as was stated before, they're not cowboys but when they do kill they make massive statements.

"@ a soup kitchen"...LOL.

Is that his daughter?..Hot chick w/ nice rack..just sayin'

The only certain thing I know, is that it.. Wasn't Me... Everything else is possible..

Not his daughter.

This is her Twitter: https://twitter.com/MicheleBellNY

And yes, she is thicc as fuck.

It's hard to believe they would move on Cali without wanting Cefalu out also. He's been the boss for what 8-9 years? and Cefalu is a ghost, who's even seen a recent picture of the guy.

I still say it's Joseph Corozzo, his bother (Nick) and Gene. They are stupid enough and probably figured with Cali gone Cefalu would step down and the three of them would take over, Jo Jo, Nick and Gene.

maybe it was approved by the commission

I had that theory in the back of my mind too. Its plausible. Think Daniel Marino another old timer fit into this theory too?

You forget about Mannino , very powerful member of Sicilian faciton. Taking over is not a theory ,u need to whack a lot of guys to take over, Cali's brother in law too

That would draw way too much attention. Besides, it is looked at as a sign of weakness. Mobsters at the top would want to show strenght and that they have nothing to fear. Only at times of war they protect themselves. Cali most likely didn't even know someone was out to get him or this wouldn't have happened.

I wouldn't rule out anything, but I won't put up theories of my own either.
When Zottola got whacked I shrugged it off when some posters were mentioning Albanians or the UBN. And who turned out to be involved? Both the Albanians and the UBN lol (even though I still feel there's something or someone else pulling the strings). Just goes to show that anything is possible these days.

This makes the most sense. Gotti just did 29 years standing on his head. Cali was the muscle and they figured Cefalu will easily step down if told to.

This is why I would doubt it is anything to do with the coke bust a few days before. If that had happened and Cali was any way culpable or vulnerable or responsible he wouldn't be going outside like that in the night time. I just don't see it. And to stretch that theory, if there was a threat from Canada or anywhere else further afield then the same applies, he would surely be very aware of it and take precautions.


If I had to place a wager on who it is I'd say it would be from inside the Gambino's, I think the theory about the younger American guys wanting to take back the family from the zips makes sense. Cali might not have been boss on his own but by all reports, he held a lot of sway on either side of the pond and was the go to guy. Hitting someone like that would send a big message.

I wouldn't rule that out. The brutality of the hit is typical Canadian. There's a war going on in Ontario now and the Gambinos are active over there and they seemed to have played a role in the Montreal mob war too. Perhaps Cali was stirring things up over there and some of the groups there had enough of it and wanted to make a statement. The old Rizzuto group might be desperate enough to pull off something like this with all the hits they endured themselves with New York most likely sanctioning these attacks since they are all part of the same organization (LCN). Perhaps they felt they had nothing to lose. Just thinking out loud here.

There's no denying how similar this hit is with many in Montreal and now in Hamilton. Mobsters getting killed in front of their home seems to be the norm there nowadays.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/nyregion/gambino-gotti.html

If it's Gotti and cohorts: good job destabilizing a reasonably stable organization. Seems to be a family pastime activity.

The fact that this even happened proves that anything is possible and so I won't call this a crazy theory at all. Actually, I find this more likely then that it has anything to do with Persico, the Creas or the Bonannos.

Idk. For one pmac said those docks aren't theirs. And I don't imagine any crew would take the responsibility of transportation of a load that big and is not theirs yet and haven't paid for it yet. Thats asking for trouble from the cartels. If they had already paid for it. The load arrived. Got busted. Then other people in on the load would have placed the hit.

I agree and anyone saying today’s NYC mafia still isn’t violent is really off the mark and hasn’t been paying attention.

Are violent acts down from the 80s / 90s , absolutely but assaults and shootings are occurring somewhat frequently and we have been reading about associates being killed as well and nuermous beefs. It’s still a very violent world with loads of guys going at it hard every day ( loansharking, collecting debts , hard extortions , dealing drugs etc .)

What’s interesting is it seems the violence has tricked up of late and I’m wondering if it’s because the families have regrouped and gotten stronger the last 5-7 years or if rackets are dwindling and guys are really getting after it to make a living

Have they found out who ordered those hits on the Zottolas?

As far as i know,no. That black guy was arrested and thats about it. Who knows if we will ever know is behind hit on Cali

His father is francesco gambino big heroin guy in the 80s.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/926/1355/258346/

Great post !

i don't know, but they are sure different people, zottola murder was highly unprofessional, although italians are sure behind it probably

The west side and Cali's 18th ave crew seemed as far as I know close at least making money together. A lot of money at stake now.

.. Thank you for the information.. Still never heard of him or this nobody Giovanni.. The only one I know was Giovanni (John) Gambino... But anyway let's get back to Cali.

I actually considered the same thing.

Another consideration is the shooter was sent by the Mexican DTO that owned that load. As I said earlier, they move that kind of weight. Perhaps Cali was to provide security to get the load in, and something fell apart, and the Mexican DTO decided he had to pay for it. The hit is consistent with the way they do their business. They will kill people in front of their family, at their home, etc. Hell, they usually kill the family too.

Maybe the West Side found out Cali was moving it through, and gave it up to LE. The Mexicans thought Cali had an agreement with the Genovese's, and feel played. Who knows.

Maybe I live too close to the border, but the Mexican's have a very long reach, especially if they feel crossed or someone was careless. I would not underestimate them.

I just heard on the news.. The Suspect on video was too grainy for identifying purposes.. Sounds like bullshit to me. I don't think the cops or Feds would show there hand.

Video is very bad quality,from CCTV camera far away.

Crazy smart ... it’s a pretty good theory and it did bring a ton of heat but this hit just brought a shit ton more.

Did they release the CCTV footage of Mr. Cali? I saw that picture of him with that woman, I thought to myself, guy looks like the real Soprano.

No,they did not,but the police detective that explained what happened on video said its very bad quality. They released only this,at beginning you can see his brother in law. Thanks to felice for info

wow straxx blowing fish out the fucking water that shit is like cops on fox in the 90tys. anyway to my stupid point. "goodfellas dont sue goodfellas, goodfellas kill goodfellas" sal profaci rip

going to the bar good night bb. looks like the first 48 is closing in an still no arrests...........

Costello attempt was at his residence as well.

I second that. There are so many psychos out there, and so many guys with something to prove. I mean who knows for sure, but it's as likely as anything else. It might explain why someone would be willing to kill in front of cameras.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47566981

New York Mafia: What's happening to the Five Families?

IDK his business with them has been mostly invisible, but I do read many years ago Calì was offended for having been excluded from some construction works carried out in the USA by a nephew of Salvatore Badalamenti, very close to the boss of Torretta, Vincenzo Brusca.

Your joking with " thicc" right?

Very serious. I would give her the best 10 seconds she ever had.

I read that they are very powerful in construction in USA.

Cali was bringing in new guys all the time.

This hit is a little more extreme then road rage !! lol

It was a professional hit.

pmac, you the man!

For those that say it might be them, I don't see it. They learned the hard way about fooling around with Americans when Vito went to prison. Too much risk IMHO.



There are a lot of cameras in NYC but they're not in every yard you know... He didn't quite live in downtown NYC in the middle of tourist territory. CCTV is about the only chance they have at this point and that won't show much.

As for someone saying road rage, I just don't see it. Cali had enough time to be inside his house, long enough for the guy to show up and pull past the SUV, then reverse it into the Escalade, and then get out and they shake hands? A road rager wouldn't want to strike up a friendy conversation with someone, then shake hands with him, and then pump 12 shots in him before taking off again. No freaking way. Someone wanted him dead, this was not a random road raging kill, this was calculated.

Ya watch that video and these guys don't exactly remind ya of Colombo...Without snitches they'd never solve anything !!

Going back to Cali. Cali. Cali Going back to Cali. Nah, I don't think so.

One of the articles i read i forget which one mentioned Gene and John Carneglia ... has anyone seen a pic of him or know thqy hea still involved?.. i mean id imagine he got a job immediately upon release at Hertz Rent a car but what do i know

Is Richard Gotti involved at all?.. i do know he lives in fuckin Milford, PA now which is like 20 min from me so if hes involved its from a far

I also found an article where they interviewed Mikey Scars, Anthony Arillota, and Alite and they said there had to be multiple cars and people to whack cali.., and they think Mannino is gonna head up the investigation into who did this and that hes a stone killer...Does any of this sound plausible?

Idk my friend what do u think?... to me he did 30 yrs and to come out hes gotta be as bitter as anyone can be.. if he feels at all that his family wasnt looked after or hes been shafted then knowing the ego in that bloodline i think he could... is it possible another Gambino big shot like Sonny Juliano, or Gurino, or any other powerful skipper conspired with Gene to do it? Everything ive read Lorenzo Mannino and Cefalu all stuck together were all 18th ave crew zips but who knows

If it was gene he found it more important to get cali than to go after sammy the bull

the cameras show Cali and the shooter shaking hands ... also the shooter handed him the license plate knocked off calis truck.. so Cali didn’t recognize the shooter .. so Couldn’t of been a well known Gambino member or associate. Cali Showed up on fbi rib tape since 1990.. he would know most members.

Not his daughter.

This is her Twitter: https://twitter.com/MicheleBellNY

And yes, she is thicc as fuck.[/quote]

Your joking with " thicc" right?[/quote]

Very serious. I would give her the best 10 seconds she ever had.[/quote]

Alright, Mr.Hurricane

"oh gee Mr Cali, I was dropping that thing you needed and I accidentally hit your car. Here's your plate.. Sorry (shake Hands).. Great possibility Cali did know him.

just my 2cents

the method looks more like an italian job. in naples they use a similar tactic to rob people. tap the car so they are forced or instinctively they get out of the car and then you're done. It's a similar strategy imo. They lured him out like this. Balcan execution style is probably different more military style (Strax let me know what you think) and i'm not an expert in mexican killings but the few I've read the mexican don't make such a "theatre" they just shoot everything down. This was a planed murder that's for sure imo, the shooter wanted him death. He started to shoot when there was no danger no argument and no fight, he just waited for the right moment.
Who is behind? Boh!?!?!

probably the rizzuto and caruana cuntrera only them could kill a lcn boss in new york
If is not within them of course

I just don't buy that whole ' LCN on decline' idea they are talking about at least not in NYC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crim...noredirect=on&utm_term=.66bc4b64eb32

Mouw said one theory police are considering in the Cali killing was a rift in the Gambino family between the Sicilians and the Italian Americans. Cali was born in Sicily, but Gotti’s followers are American, and police are examining whether “that Gotti-American faction is trying to take it over.”

Damn, huge news. Interesting to see all of these theories that you guys have. In my own opinion, I think the theory with Mexican DTO holds up, simply because of the reach that they currently have and the fact that a NY Mob boss means nothing to them(as far as killing goes).

I really don't think this has anything to do with Mexican DTO's, but that may be just me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/nyregion/gambino-gotti.html

nah its internal to gambino or the rizzuto clan

Grazie !

If Peter Gotti was the official boss and the street administration decided to take his power, either a deal needs to be worked out or retribution is expected don't you think. Nobody tooked amusio or the snakes power, or John gotti. The boss is the boss is the boss! The big chair belongs to the Gotti's

👍

Well all this they don’t killa boss in front of his house or family is bull if it’s the best place it’s the best place.

The killer I am sure took off the plate of the car before he setup the bump of the cars .

He says I am sorry was backing up fast ( whetever ) has the plate Frankie relaxes for a second as he is handed the plate that takes his mind off anything for a second and that was it Boom !


It was setup planned in a basement with a few Blantons .

This has Canada LCN written all over it

Francesco Cali - A Rapid Rise to Gambino Crime Family Boss

https://americanmafiahistory.com/francesco-cali/

The killer wrote on his body after he killed him? What are the feds waiting for?

How does one tooked something? Who is Amusio? What you wrote is highly improbable and shows little thought on your part. Just like Billy Madison you might want to start school over from the beginning, obviously one time through was not enough.

Was your mother pimped by oc?

How do you think he was conceived?

Two dykes sucking off John's for crystal meth, eating eath other out with fresh louds still in there mouth , and poof, we have a not funny coward troll who 100 percent wouldnt show 1 percent of the disrespectful manners if not hiding behind 15 vpns in some trailer somewhere .

It's got to be internal. Someone who had something to gain by Cali being out of the picture. I don't think it would be an up and coming mobster, this reeks of someone who feels slighted and wanted to make a bold move or statement. I think the theory that Gotti/JoJo/Nick are taking the family back from the Sicilians (Cefalu/Cali) may be the most accurate. Peter Gotti was acting boss before he went to prison and then the Sicilian faction just takes over? The wheel has turned, the Gotti boys are on top and the Gambino's are on the bottom.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/nypd-questioning-suspect-in-killing-of-gambino-mob-boss-frank-cali/

Another gangster bb snob, I've seen your kind before... your nothing special. Anybody with common sense knows I meant Vic amuso, sorry for adding another vowel, I mean, you are our grammar guy right? And I guess me and all of the FBI agents needs to go back to school as well because we believe the Gotti's are involved. Listen up grammar guy, before you come on here adding comma's and periods to people's posts try to have facts on your side when you disagree with an educated opinion.

Pretty big news they already have a suspect and questioning him.

Pointing out that tooked is not a word isn't being the grammar police. Good job in your last post, you sounded much better. See, I knew that you could do it big fella, way to go!

A neighbour?

Wow this is big news

Man, 25, in custody in murder of Staten Island mob boss Francesco Cali
Updated 10:45 AM; Today 9:29 AM

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/03...aten-lsland-mob-boss-francesco-cali.html

This is gonna end up as not even being a mob hit , but a random shooting

funny if it is true i thought somebody sent from canada

Ha turns out it's some kind of nutcase.

He left his fingering on that plate he handed over to Cali , oh my god

Yeah. Overweight mobsters who've never played a sport or used a wrench or hammer in their entire lives really terrify me. You sure got me there. I sincerely apologise for my rude joke about a scumbag criminal and heroin dealer.

You sure do seem to know a lot about prostitutes, pimps, drugs and male body fluid by the way. Says a lot about the kind of environment you grew up in.

Be sure to PM me a link to your Facebook profile, big guy, so we can carry on this chat over there instead of spamming the thread with this silliness. You know, since I'm such a coward and since you're such a stone gangster.

I thought for a split second that you said he fingerbanged Cali before he shot him.

It was hardly some lunatic like some people are saying. Why the hell would he shake hands with a random person who is on his property?

If that's true... I mean, imagine how the family members would react to that news once they saw it on the headlines? I wonder their first reaction.

If it was a random shooting, then where do the mob groupies stand on that? If the Feds hit him with the long arm of the law do they complain like they would if it was a mobster who committed the shooting, or do they remain consistent and demand a soft punishment like they would if it was a mob-committed crime?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gambino-mob-boss-murder-suspect-arrested-in-frank-calis-slaying

The suspect, who was described by one source as a “complete nut,” has not yet been named. A source added that the 53-year-old crime kingpin’s rubout may not have been linked to organized crime at all, and could have been the result of a personal spat involving a woman.

Wowzer!

I think it's important to remember that the investigation is fluid and continually evolving. The first reports stated that he was run over by the vehicle (which he wasn't).

There is still the discrepancy of why Cali would shake hands with or feel comfortable in the presence of a "complete nut".

There is more to come from this. I'm sure of it.

I've just read that article again and it is scant and vague when it comes to any kind of details that would flesh out the story or make it more reputable.

It just uses the journalistic safety blanket of "unnamed sources".

They’re gonna say this kids life is over. And frank kids lost their father. It’s sad all around. So now you have that answer.
And quick question what’s confronting someone on Facebook going to do? You’re going to act tough there? Once again, feel free to seek therapy at anytime.

Of course not. I just wanted to confirm my suspicions that it's someone who looks like Urkel and grew up with a meth addict single mother and a steady stream of abusive stepfathers. And that's why he's projecting on to me.

A mob boss shot to death by the neighborhood nutcase. If this turns out to be the case; fucking hell...

Probably rumored by the same source who said he was run over by the vehicle after being shot..

This is shocking. Wow...

Very strange. It seems like too big of a coincidence for a NY mob boss to be murdered in this way, lured outside, shook hands and lit up with bullets. The gunman might've been nuts, but I suspect he was paid off, much like Jerome Johnson, Colombo's killer. This is all just speculation. I'd be pretty disappointed if some random lunatic killed the Gambino boss though. There's no honor in that, no reason, no justice.

a nutcase would kill suddenly why to shake hand and be so quite

NY Times says he might've been dating Cali's daughter and was instructed to stay away. Hmm...

Now we are going to have million theories how guy was connected and paid off, even if its not the case

This is becoming a little bit odd. How coincidental would it be for the neighbourhood nutcase to crash into Cali's car of all people? And then to have some sort of chat/conversation that ends up in 12 shots being fired?


Maybe this kid got the contract for the hit and done it his own way, was high on something and left evidence. But then would a 25 year old be trusted to take out the Gambino boss/underboss like that?
There are more questions than answers right now but it looks as if we'll find out soon enough.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/16/nyregion/frank-cali-mob-boss-killing.html

Officials said the unidentified man gave conflicting statements and detectives were investigating whether he had been dating Mr. Cali’s daughter and had been instructed to stop seeing her.

Holy shit this is crazy

i think it's too professional hit for a dude who dated his daughter
you have to be really smart and sophisticated to lure him outside like that
someone order that hit and of course gave him that order

I don't think so, what is the easiest way to lure out someone if u dont have his phone? Well just mess with his car. That explains the 12 shots fired , that is not professional at all

Not good enough to date the daughter of a heroin dealer. Ouch. Any wonder he murdered him?

Don't think this article was posted: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ew-york-mob-mafia-shooting-staten-island

yeah the 12 shots are unprofessional but can also be out of anger too
well that's weird
we have to wait for more news

A white guy involved in a shooting in NYC?? You are more likely to get hit by lightning than be shot by a white person in NYC, this guy has to be a real degenerate, probably one of those heroin/pill addicts, wouldn't that be ironic with the rumors that Cali was profiting from that, wait and see, they also called the guy that shot Louie from Spumoni white, turned out to be a Puerto Rican.

Cali doesn't have a daughter.

The daughter theory is wrong: However, public records showed that Mr. Cali has three sons. A criminal court filing in 2008 identified each of his children by name and age but made no mention of a daughter.

Agreed! 12 shots and only 6 hit him at that range? Very sloppy! If this was a hit, they would have had someone very responsible and talented to do the hit as they were going after a boss. Cali would have turned around and pop, pop hes done. Also a coup de grace to the head is always a sign of a good hit. They would have given him one to the head most likely to make sure the job was done. This was all torso shots. Seems amateur. But again....who the hell knows?

What did I say about not jumping to conclusions about articles on disreputable sites which provide no elaborating details and "unnamed" sources.

He wouldn't let the shooter date his son?

The sources said the murder wasn't related to the mob. One source described the man in custody as a “conspiracy theory type” of guy while a second source said he appears “a bit off.”

One theory being looked into is whether the suspect wanted to date one of the mob boss's relatives and Cali told him to back off, the sources said.

Damn you Moe you beat me to it....

It's a bit of a myth that mob murders like this, even involving high echelon guys like Cali, are always clean.

Vincent Gigante had Frank Costello at point blank range and he could only graze him. Fat Pete Chiodo was ambushed at a garage by at least two Lucchese soldiers and they couldn't kill him despite riddling him with bullets. Jimmy Hydell botched the killing of Anthony Casso when he had a clean shot at him sitting in his car; and you can say, "it's only Jimmy Hydell", but it was a Gambino capo who put the hit squad together.

Plenty of other examples.

The Zottola killing was a hit as well and the thing was a farce. How many times did they try to kill that guy botching the job time after time before they finally managed to get it done?

Looks like the clean hit is a lost art in this day and age.

There are no “perfect crimes” anymore. 21st century advances in *police science* won’t allow for it. Didn’t take ⁦NYPD Detectives⁩ long to take someone into custody in the Gambino boss, Francesco “Frank” Cali, homicide. -- James A. Gagliano



That's why the only shooters you see now are the one's that fall asleep behind the wheel, nobody in their right mind is going shoot somebody on somebody else's orders, for what? To get made? Doesn't mean shit anymore, it's all over, it's been over for a long time...

Except for Canada lol

Organized crime as we once knew it is generally done in the Western world; unless you're a politician lol.

The 24 years old suspect has no criminal record.

Law enforcement sources called the suspect, who gunned down the powerful crime kingpin outside his Staten Island home, a "complete nut."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gambino-mob-boss-murder-suspect-arrested-in-frank-calis-slaying

what's going on here ?!
as more as we get more details it's seems more complicated...
am i the only one who feels that way ?

Posted already

I can’t wait to see ALL the apologies to my Uncle! MSM, every “Mob Expert” know nothing bloggers like Scarpo!!! All the RATS, and you too FOX News!!!
--- Angel Gotti

Bet anyone a hundred bucks she has never worked a day in her life. She should get a job instead of making an ass out of herself on Twitter.

Was Cali shooting back? One of the initial reports stated he was reaching for a gun while trying to use his vehicle as cover. That could explain the sloppy hit if the shooter was trying to avoid bullets himself.

As for the daughter, could he have an adopted daughter or niece who was close?

He has a daughter in law.

Chiodo's fat absorbed the bullets. I'm not kidding that was the actual medical explanation to how he survived those shots.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/shooting-of-frank-cali-may-have-been-over-personal-dispute/

So now it's not a mob hit.

Maybe he wanted to date Gene's daughter 😂🤦‍♂️

It's still going to be interesting ..Who is the next Boss...?

That was posted and discussed already , read people

I think LE said Cali was either Acting Boss or more then likely; Underboss.

Dom Cefalu I believe is still the top man.

If some 24 year old shoots the boss of a family because he's jealous over a girl or something, I think it's a sign of the times that organized crime had its run. Too many young people today don't care and don't fear consequences. In order for there to be organized crime, there has to be an organized society. Since society is chaotic, all that can exist is chaotic crime.

yeah oak i agree 100%
if it's not mob related then i think you are 100% right
if it's true then it's a sad times for the lcn

Suspect is complete nutcase , you think he cares who he shot ? He doesnt care for any consequences

So true.

I'm looking forward to the funeral.
Maybe we will get good pictures.

Same thing could have happened back in the day , some complete nutcase who doesnt care for consequences , goes and shoots Carlo Gambino , everyone can be killed by anyone , you just need to be nutcase enough. They are still strongest and largest organized crime group in USA and only group that ever challenged them was Rudaj Organization , and Luccheses were getting ready to whack them all.

That Persico funeral too, I’d imagine all 5 families were represented there

when will it happen ?!!?

Yea; Strax. I get what your saying; but if a 24 year nut did that to a boss 40-50 years ago. They would most likely be found and murdered abruptly. Before LE even could get to the guy. These days; The nut would probably avoid mob justice. Sign that LCN is waning..

The New York Police Department’s chief of detectives will discuss details of the case later Saturday.

Well probably not, no one would expect it was done by nobody and some random nutcase

i can't wait for it ! ! !
i'm starting having headaches by thinking who did it haha

Think of when Phil testa got blown up at his own house. Salvie was still able to kill him and put fireworks in his mouth. LCN is dead

what sound weird to me is why would he shake hands after 1 minute of conversion with a guy who bumped his car ?!

Don’t know if fake but I got a call there was a arrest of a guy who’s prints are at seen .

Saying not mob related.

Appears to be true non- mob related.


Wow the odds of that are so low

Now this is how you whack somebody....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ezBfqZrkYE

I skipped the last two pages so I don't lose this thought (yea I'm getting old), but why would Cali shake the hand of the dude whom he told to stay away from his daughter? If he told him to stay away he obviously didn't respect him for some/any reason, and to top it off WHY would he just walk outside and shake his hand after the "same guy" just hit his Escalade??? This theory doesn't make much sense. The guy from Jersey that's screwing my daughter shows up saying he hit my Escalade and there is no way I'm walking outside and shaking his hand.

Something doesn't make sense. This theory would really make Cali naive!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudaj_Organization

Seems they backed down fairly quickly once shit got real.

Carlo Gambino's nephew was kidnapped and killed, even after a ransom was paid. James McBratney was just one of the people involved in the kidnapping. He was ordered to be slowly tortured but Gotti and his ragtag crew botched it and rushed the killing. AFAIK none of the other kidnappers were ever killed in retribution.

Paul Castellano did however get revenge on someone who said he looked like chicken magnate, Frank Perdue. So that's something.

I've also read about mobsters been slapped around by guys in other ethnic gangs but not doing anything about it. There's one guy slips my mind, must be Lucchese related, because it was in an article I read about Thomas De Fede.

He doesn't have a daughter. He only has sons. Good to see that the mob is progressive when it comes to the LGBT movement.

strange hit...

when the police are going to give more details ?

Frank Lastorino's son, who wasn't in the life, attempted to kill Peter Argentina, who's affiliated with the Lucchese Crime Family; he was later shot and killed via suicide by cop.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...illed-police-East-New-York-Brooklyn.html

Anyone know if that guy is related to Ray Argentina?

We don't know.

I see it more as a sign that organized crime in a "First World" environment in general will never have the same reach it had back in the days. LE clings like a leech to OC. To be able to survive LCN has to stay out of the limelight as much as possible just because the whole structure is build to be a "stable" organization compared to most other types of "organized" crime.

I mean, I get that a lot of gangs in NYC - African American, Dominican, Puerto Rican...etc... - are labeled as "organized crime" these days and I do agree to an extent. Gangs have been getting smarter and can make loads of money. On the other hand you see that in those kind of groups the people at the top often don't stay at the top for a very long time. They live the high life for a good couple of years before they get killed or get locked up. And once they're locked up they often lose all of the power they used to have. Someone else has taken over in the blink of an eye and the cycle continues.

That's not the case with the Mafia where the people at the top stay at the top for a comparatively much longer period. If they would operate with the same kind of bravado like gangs do or even like they themselves did in the past, they'd barely survive another generation. Especially since their recruitment pool is much smaller. There still is a recruitment pool of course, but the well isn't flowing to the point that they can afford to replace a big shot and his entire crew as quick as teenage girl changes her wardrobe.

No gun recovered, Pickup seized.

Name of suspect: Anthony Camello

Except that never happened. I'll spot you Joe Colombo, but we now know a lot of his 'friends" wanted him dead, too. All these decades later we still don't entirely know what the motive of that shooter was. Carlo? Tommy Brown? Tony Ducks? No one went near them, nut job or otherwise. Costello and Castellano were mob related.



I'm not sure this is entirely true. With the drug trade, immigrants coming from other parts of the world with their own crime organizations, I think we're in a time of transition not only for this country but for what we call organized crime as well. The two go hand in hand.

The shooting is not believed to be related to organized crime but rather an ongoing family dispute, sources said.

If the guy who killed him is indeed a nutcase and not part of some other criminal group, I don’t necessarily think it’s an indictment of LCNs status and power as an organization. There are a lot of firearms in this country and no shortage of lunatics. Anyone could get killed at anytime. One of the articles said he was found with family in the New York/New Jersey area. No sane person in 2019 is going to brutally murder one of the most powerful gangsters in the country in front of his family, and not expect them and their families lives to be in immediate danger. Ronald Reagan was walking around with an army of secret service agents and he almost got taken out by a complete lunatic.

Looks like lightning didn't strike here, this says the guy is Hispanic...Puerto Ricans taking over son.

https://www.mylife.com/anthony-camello/e100626498670290

so could that means that some rival street gang are trying to take over the gambino's ?! wow

If it this guy they picked up in a "personal dispute" -- I'll go out on a limb and say he won't survive long in prison.

BTW, for the non-readers, they picked up this guys prints off the license plate he handed Cali, just think, a pair of gloves may had gotten him off free

A report says the suspect name is Anthony Camello.

When they found him at his home in NJ; They also saw the pickup truck that was used to damage Cali's SUV.

Another factor that works against traditional organized crime establishing the control they once had.

Trump was right about these bad hombres..

19 posts...

one of the banned has risen from the dead.

Nah bro, I have never been banned, scout's honor, just a lurker. Somebody went and changed that guy's info, it went from Hispanic to unknown, somebody doesn't want it to be know a Hispanic whacked a mob boss..

Camello is an Italian surname not Puerto Rican
http://www.namespedia.com/details/Camello

Then his niece, "insert girl here" and the same can be said.



LMAO yea that's a true sign that you're a tough guy when you ask for profiles Why to show him Moe!



If he shook hands with Cali wearing gloves, that surely would have tipped Cali off. Of course the way the shooter acted should have tipped Cali off period.

Some names can be both..

https://i.postimg.cc/Mp86tM3w/Clipboard01.png

You can't trust that site. For shits and giggles I searched my name and my brothers, it said my brother was black and he's "Casper white" in color

Could be, I'm just going by how rare it is for a shooter to be white in NYC.

Last name is

COMELLO

not camello

kid is from NJ... has a residence in SI also

Looks like a white boy gone wrong then...

I just wanted to have a tête-à-tête with him. Wait, he probably thinks that's something his mom does to her clients. I mean I just wanted to have a chat with him.

Carmelo Anthony shot Frank Cali?

They took his Facebook down already, this guy whacked a boss? What's the world coming to? He wouldn't have the balls to whack a Blood or Crip..
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/anthony-comello-1.jpg

I thought Jay Leno didn't have children?

That would explain 12 shots taken only 6 hit

he was just a fool, incredible, but it's possible, he even probably didnt know who cali was

The LE press conference said they were still looking to see if others were involved. There may be more to come.

I am going to acknowledge my Mexican DTO theory is probably not on the mark (unless the kid had someone on speed dial named Chapo or El Mayo).

Regardless, props to the cops for getting the shooter in 3 days. Most def not the work of a pro hitter.

Yeah why is LE now twisting this to a possible hit angle .....

This wasn't an OC hit.

None of the other NYC families would have done this. And the Gambinos are stable and making money, so highly unlikely it was internal.

As for Canada, Cali had good contacts in Toronto and Montreal and Canadian mobsters don't like messing around in the USA because of potential jail time. Cali has travelled to Canada many times. If they wanted to hit him, they would have lured him to Canada.

Regarding the drug seizure, the Latin Americans only give drugs "on credit" to Calabrians, so any drug shipment Cali would be involved with was paid in cash in advance. If he was "guaranteeing" passage for someone else's drugs, and the drugs were seized, he wouldn't have been hit a few days later. He would have been given time to pay or make a deal.

And in Sicily, Cali was respected and things are calm. The Mafia in Sicily is making money again and things are relatively peaceful. Plus, if they were going to do a hit, it would be much more professional than this.

As I said in earlier posts, I am still shocked Cali didn't have better protection. He was the boss of a pretty large organization. It's very sloppy not to have the proper security.

And if the Gambinos are proper OC, the shooter should be dead by the end of the month. If Vito Rizzuto was shot by some 24 year old nobody, and that nobody was caught, the nobody would be dead within a week. If the gov't put them in PC, it would just take longer, but they would be nothing but a zombie, a dead man walking.

John Gotti Jr. slams cops over Frank Cali accusations, demands apology

https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/john-gotti-jr-slams-cops-over-frank-cali-accusations-demands-apology/

he's right honestly, a fool kills cali and somebody suspects gene, he's right

What a sad world. This kid looks like the softest frat boy posing after 7 jager bombs at some state school upstate his parents paid for him to flunk out of. How in the world did this cocksucker get away with this? Very, very strange. This pussy really took out the boss of the most powerful crime family in America. LCN is officially dead as of this day.

In all fairness he looks like a strapping young guy. Whereas Cali, like a lot of mob bosses, looks short and dumpy. Who do you think would win in a fistfight? Carlo Gambino was the most powerful boss ever and an asthmatic kid would probably have more endurance than him or his son; the guy would've shit his pants if Carmine Galante was alone in a room with him. Anthony Casso got battered in prison once he started acting up and lost the aura that being high up in the mafia gave him.

Angelo Bruno and Paul Castellano didn't get to the top by virtue of what they did with their fists. Nor Frank Costello before that; look how quickly he noped out of the life after his life was threatened.

I suppose it's not the physical threat posed by these people that makes them a force to be reckoned with. It's the knowledge that they can snap their fingers and have someone do whatever they want to you. With no conscience or remorse.

Carmelo hasn’t hit a shot all fucking year

What a sad world. This kid looks like the softest frat boy posing after 7 jager bombs at some state school upstate his parents paid for him to flunk out of. How in the world did this cocksucker get away with this? Very, very strange. This pussy really took out the boss of the most powerful crime family in America. LCN is officially dead as of this day. [/quote]


Again I think it’s more indicative of American culture in 2019 than it is some sort of defect in LCN. Sadly a crazy young white kid killing someone with no reason at all is not all that irregular. Cali coulda had better protection, but he was home and just finished eating dinner with his family. Prior to Wednesday do you think the bosses of the other families have armed security around when they are just eating a meal? Maybe they do, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t.

Much of The Godfather is unrealistic romanticism but one of the realist things in the trilogy is when Michael says “if anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, its that you can kill anyone”

To be honest this feels kinda anti climactic. Don’t get me wrong killing is never something to root for, but a mob hit on a Gambino Boss would be extremely interesting.... then if it turns out to be just a nobody with a gun and a grudge it is not so interesting anymore.... but it will be interesting to see what happens to this kid! If a young kid can kill a boss without any repercussions then it would a sad day for the LCN.

Moe ofcourse you wanna see what I look like , your a coward and wanna see if in somebody your coward ass can bully like the big mouth, unfunny , homoerotic joke obsessed, weirdo lacking any normal empathy or common humanity, I'm Danny, I in Stockton, ,ca , if your close we can to from there .

I agree with what everything that you said except the security part. No American LCN boss, aside from maybe Al Capone, had around the clock security if there was no war going on. Frank Costello, Giancana, and Vito Genovese to name a few never traveled with a body guard let alone had one at their house 24-7. Tommy Billotti didn't live at Paul Castellano's house, the Chin walked around Greenwich Village alone with his daughter sometimes, and Vito Genovese spent a lot of time alone tending to his garden in Atlantic Highlands by himself. With there being fewer organized crime hits now there is less of a need than ever to have security around a boss, if anything it would draw attention to them that they don't want, the last thing that they want now is to be noticed.

As far as retaliation, it doubt that anything happens, and there is precedent for that. Carmine Sciandra, not a boss but Paul Castellano's nephew and a Gambino captain, was shot in the stomach in a domestic dispute in 2005 at one of his Top Tomato stores on SI. From what I know the guy who did the shooting didn't even leave Staten Island. https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/14/nyregion/from-our-family-to-yours-bang.html

Murder and really violence of any kind are bad for business, and if something were to happen to this guy or the guy who shot Carmine Sciandra, LE would be on the Gambinos in a heart beat. This isn't Canada where you can get convicted for a murder and be out in 10 to 15 years or even sooner.

Many people and actual mobsters feel the opposite regarding The Godfather. But that’s not what this thread is about.

There’s a possibility that maybe someone got wind about this kid’s dismay toward Cali and he was told he would have support if he went ahead with the murder. But that’s just a theory in my head. I believe he worked alone. It seems as though Cali underestimated what this kid was capable of.

Eh, at least he is Italian

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Cali-shook-hitmans-hand-shot-killed.html

More pics of shooter here.

The oracle, John Alite, says bodies are going to drop over this.

He will last a while in the system and then he will get stabbed in prison for some bs. He will be dead before his 30th birthday, mark my words.