Would Salvie/ young executioners

given Scarfo a run for their money, had Punge tipped off Salvie his life was in danger.

Salvie had his young crew around him- all killers. Scarfo was greatly feared but looking at how the Riccobean war went- Scarfo essentially relied on a select few guys being Nicky Crow, Charlie White, Faffy, Wayne Grande, Etc

Harry didn’t do too bad to begin with and only relied on two of his main guys. Once they were arrested it was over

And Salvie along with his guys were a lot more dangerous than Riccobean due to being young and reckless

I reckon if salvie got the nod he would’ve attempted to hit scarfo and his nephew. Probably wouldn’t have got a chance though but it would’ve been interesting to see.

For scarfo being so close yo his father and to order his kids murder probaly scarfos most evil decision. So the pung brothers had to set salvie up? But they were also the shooters in the narducci brothers dad hit with salvie. How those pair of brothers coexist in south philly and both are active in the mob is perplexing. There all killers to

Need a list of the young exs. Where are they now. What happend to scarfidi he get shelved

I think Salvie was just way to loyal tos scarfo he didn’t believe that he was in danger. I always wished that salvie made the first moved and knocked off Nicky and Phil Leonetti. Imagine that the philly mob would be totally different today. Joey Merlino would have been a nobody. But does anyone think Joey and the young Turks would have been able to go to war and win against salvie and his guys?

The Philly guys would of lined up behind Salvie no doubt.... but the mob was not a complete mess like now , you would of have to answer to the Chin and Carmine and Amuso ect....

That’s the reason you have to fliprun or take the bullet ..

The Philly guys did not like Nick being in AC they were very very jealous of Phil and even Jr. it was like they were better then Philly guys or something.

Even in the street they were like two separate families because they lived in Philly and others lived at the shore year round .... crazy how these guys think but trust me that’s how it was.

See a lot of guys were hating on Chuckie and with good reason, those guys started making good money and they started licking there chops if they could get one or the other to slip because they knew Nick would knock down anyone that broke the rules.


Very very cut throat life !

True. Scarfo was like a second father to Salvie so he wouldnt of tried to take him down which makes the whole plot look even more idiotic from Scarfo. Salvie obviously knew something was up but he probably thought Chuckie was the one pulling the strings

Spot on Serp..how would Salvie explain or answer 2 New York when a replacement was needed?..alot of heat would have gone down after the fact...

Right on Hood

That life is treacherous and believe me many of nights out with some of these guys and I don’t mean Salvie but others from Philly and other towns were some scary shit .

It’s like they have no reflex to stop or compassion it’s just not there when it comes to them getting what they want.

I would look at Phil knowing how compassionate he was to family and neighborhood people and in the same thoughts I knew he was destroying a outsiders life or killing someone in the life .

It’s not on your mind constant because you are 20 something and hanging out and flexing your muscles but deep down you know shits not right and if a made guy doesn’t like something about you or likes your girl or wants a piece of your business you know it’s going to be life or death.


I don’t know if they really believed in LCN that much but they must have because all the shit bossesdid and guys still respected the boss , even after Nick did shit to Chuckle they still had a relationship and the backstabbing in Philly with Faffy and Chuckie and many others trying to bad mouth guys and get there rackets was common even to today withSkinny knowing what Faffy was up to and he is in the fold ..... nothing personal only business I guess.... I could go on and on but these guys were / are treacherous .

You may know this already Serp but I would bet that Faffy being back in the fold has something to do with him saving Skinny during Riccobenne War. Some of the hunchbacks men had the jump on skinny in a bar and Faffy comes in with a gun out and basically says me and young one are walking out of here and then they did so.

Skinny always says he has a devil on his shoulder watching him and this was first of many instances that would believe he was meant to be alive and on top today. After Salvies death Skinny becomes the families Jr BMF main liaison too. Every one can call Chuckle a drunk but he knew his boss was in AC and that meant taking out Salvie gave him Philly. Had his brother in AC making sure his boss was happy and they have had control of the thing in Philly more or less since minus a few years here and there while son and father were away.chuckie and chickie were the real powers in Philly and when Gambinos tried to put Stanfa in charge they were advising thier sons how to handle everything.

I could be wrong but I thought that chicki was supporting and advising Joe, while John was advising Mike?

There's some conflicting stuff on Joseph Ciancaglini Sr's loyalty from prison during the war with Stanfa. There was a news report from the time saying he was trying to get Joey Chang made and installed as acting boss when it was clear that Tony Piccolo wanted to step down. Tommy Scafidi and Ralph Natale both testified that Mikey Chang was at odds with his father as well as his brother. Scafidi went as far as saying that if Mikey Chang just talked to his father the shooting of Joey Chang might not have happened. After the Joey Chang shooting, however, Stanfa guys were picked up on tape saying that Ciancaglini Sr and Chuckie Merlino had sided with the younger guys.

Thanks chin. That whole family dynamic is just a tragedy. Brother against brother and father and son having to choose sides.

Exactly wire taps are def better sources then guys flipping. Either way it is tragic but if you look at family now and whose been on top since 90s its pretty clear to see who was calling shots

Salvie was young and Scarfo had him around because of not only his dad but the fact that salvie was obedient to scarfo and would of done anything scarfo told him to do. I dont think he ever should of been killed but then again, i wasnt there.
In essence, salvie was expendable. If salvie ever made a move against scarfo, new york would of killed salvie in minutes. Salvie might have been big in philly but new york would of clipped him in a second. They liked scarfo alot. Ny probably didnt know who salvie was. They could care less about some twenty something kid from philly.

While ive heard Mikey was one of the reservation as far as his family goes we know now that Joey Chang being underboss was a move by the changs/merlino to have the real power but Joey c kinda did his own thing once he had power and that led to what went down. Natale and Horsehead werent tight enough to know what was really going on no one who was ever ratted that's y they still got the power today.

Has it ever come out to the public as to why Joe and Michael hated each other? I know Michael blamed Joe for the shooting, but have any other details come out?

Mikey was a man possesed after the attempted hit and even tho it came from Stanfa from his pov he thought if they had Joey C on inside it never shoulda happened. He blamed his brother when in reality Stanfa knew the game and didnt trust Joey c or any Chang or merino for that matter keep friends close enemy closer type shit.

That makes sense! I never thought of it that way. If Joe knew about it he should have at least told his brother that it was in motion.

Whether Joey c knew about hit Idk I would say no but I know Mikey was fucking livid about hit and some other small shit Joey c did once underboss which led Chang/Merlino camp to believe joey had switched sides. Treacherous as shit and fucked up but that how it is. What guy a few posts up said is 100 tho if Mikey would have talked to his dad he would know joey c was still on team and had nothing to do with it or at least thats my belief. Trying to talk to a guy who just escaped a hit and telling him who he can trust isn't easy tho.

If I remember correctly, somebody shot at Michael after he had been playing basketball, but they shot into his house, where his wife and baby were? And he blamed his brother Joey for that, thinking that he had to have been in on the plan. So the shooting at the Lucibello diner was revenge for that attempt?

Think you are right Giacomo


There used to be a poster that knew all about that time his screen name was PhilMob he went over the the other spot.

According to Tommy Scafidi, Mikey Chang identified Joey Chang as part of the hit team that shot at him in 1992 (Joey Chang allegedly pointed Mikey out for the shooters). This was after the Felix Bocchino murder, so the Ciancaglini-Merlino crew of associates had already killed one of Stanfa's made guys. Joey Chang being present for hits is also backed up. In early 1993 (while he was the official underboss) Joey Chang allegedly was the getaway driver in the Rod Colombo murder.
Joe Licata claimed to have been involved in cooling things down after the attempt on Mikey Chang and got Merlino and Ciancaglini made. Funnily enough, Scafidi also claimed that Gaeton Lucibello was part of the hit team sent to kill Mikey (there's conflicting info on that; Sergio Battaglia said he and Herbert Keller were sent to kill Mikey), which is ironic seeing as Lucibello sided with Ciancaglini and Merlino. It's not beyond the realm of reason however, as Lucibello was identified as being involved in the Rod Colombo murder for Stanfa.
The attempt on Joey Chang was definitely retaliation for the attempt on Mikey Chang. When Joey Chang survived, however, Joey Merlino and Mikey Chang tried to blame the attempt on Biagio Adornetto. The attack happened after Adornetto survived Stanfa's attempt on his life, and Adornetto also had a history of badmouthing Joey Chang (Adornetto felt he would have made a better underboss than Joey Chang). Stanfa seemed to believe this at first, as he assigned Rosario Bellocchi and Gary Tavella to kidnap one of Adornetto's friend's to find his location. By the end of April 1993, however, he had clued on that the Ciancaglini-Merlino faction was behind it. He wanted to lure Ciancaglini, Merlino and Lucibello in to a meeting to kill them but this plot was picked up on tape by law enforcement. Ciancaglini, Merlino and Lucibello were informed about the threat to their lives so they never went in and Stanfa sent out hit teams to stalk them, ultimately leading to the outbreak of the war.

Biagio Adornetto is a pussy.

LoL

Actually per the Crow Salvie knew he was being targeted and started patting guys down when they came to hug him.

He just dissed the UB daughter on her biggest day

I don’t think he thought his own crew would serve him up but he knew he was being hunted

Chin_gigante
“Joe Licata claimed to have been involved in cooling things down after the attempt on Mikey Chang and got Merlino and Ciancaglini made.”

Are you saying Joe “ scoops” Licata from north jersey got merlino made by Stanfa ??

Yes, in a 2010 conversation with Nick Stefanelli and Lou Fazzini, Scoops Licata said he got Merlino made back in 1992.

chin
is there any way to elaborate on what else was said?
thanks

theres. a picture of mike chang and joe merlino in a nightclub wearing those crazy suits like early 90tys new jack swing like they were extras in new jack city. surposely it was taken the night they were inducted by stanfa. give it ti stanfa he picked 2 real members there he probaly didnt think the second they got there button they were gonna over throw him. hes doing life in jail today and merlino had done alot of time but has reaped some rewards

From the transcripts (SL = Scoops Licata, NS = Stefanelli, UI = unintelligible)

SL: I was instrumental in JOEY gettin' straightened out.
NS: Oh, were ya?
SL: Yeah.
NS: When did they get (UI)?
SL: 1992. I, I got him straightened out.
NS: (UI)
SL: They killed a friend of ours, you remember FELIX? Him and, uh, CIANCAGLINI's son. And then JOHN STANFA went along with JOHN at the time. JOHN was with them. I was trying to tear it down. LOUIE was part of it. No, JOEY was on my side. I said, we didn't like FELIX anyway. I said, JOEY, we gotta save this kid. Back and forth, you know. And make a long story short, I finally calmed it down. Follow me? So, we calmed it down, and then they took a shot at (UI). Man, these kids were bad. And the boss was CIANCAGLINI's son, the kid JOEY (UI).
NS: (UI) close with, ah, with the brothers or?
SL: The brothers.
NS: Brother went against brother. Right?
SL: Right. Right. Once that happened, that was it. I went to jail and then the fuckin' hell broke loose. But that was bad, too. What are you? You kill your own brother? That's bad. That's bad. And that's the story NICK. And it just got so ugly. It just got so ugly...
NS: Yeah.
SL: ... 'Cause they, and I told them, calm down. Don't worry about it. Yous will get it. Don't worry about this greenhorn. Just... No. They want it. They want it. Fuck, he's going, he's a 30 year old and (UI).
NS: Yeah.
SL: They got crazy. [Laughs] And I went to jail. Oh, fuck 'em. Who cares?
NS: What, whatever happens, happens.
SL: When I come home, do what yous want. And when I come home there'll still turmoil. You know? And I'm still caught in the middle of it.

The woman Salvie Testa left Maria Merlino for actually wrote a memoir about her relationship with him, "6,000 days of us." I think you can still buy the ebook. My own opinion is that the Wall Street Journal article about him sealed his fate: It activated every paranoid bone in Scarfo's body.

Not as much the article but Chuckie daughter, and Nick was looking to be in Florida and have Phil as acting boss and Salvie in Nicks eyes was # 1 threat way before Phil was a skipper even .

Any good excuse to take a threat out he would never thinking about the affect on the family. Nick never seen it all coming he was stuck thinking that taking the oath was as important to them as it was to him , he was way off.

Giacomo I read that book. Very good book. Don't want to give it away but towards the end she saw as Salvie for the last time a few weeks before he was killed, and even she said he knew he was gonna die. Balls Balls Balls that dood had to stick around knowing your supposed fuckin friends want you dead. Rosina Rucci( who wrote the book) even said that she felt this horrible aura around him the last time she saw him. Kinda like she also knew he was not long for the world. Scared the shit out of her

I have that book …..I posted about it yrs. ago ..her name is Rosa if I remember right...now I'm gonna have 2 go into the den & dig it up...