Scarfo FBI File Released

Yesterday the FBI released their entire Nicky Scarfo file.

https://vault.fbi.gov/nicodemo-scarfo/nicodemo-scarfo-part-01-of-01.pdf/view

Pfft. I had a file that big when I was in school.

And whom ever reads this it’s not Philip that’s the rat before he was a rat.....Nick would of been indicted immediately if it was Philip not 8 - 9 years down the road , once I can get to read this more clear maybe able to tell who was on the inside but whoever it was did not have to much knowledge unless its different further in the file.

I don’t think the government as bad as they are could let all those different guys get killed especially when it was open warfare in Philadelphia they would’ve pulled Nick out.

There is no way in my mind that the government is that far gone. But one never knows.

Just guessing but I am sure Phillips name is blacked out in certain pages because he did flip that’s always a possibility but there are plenty of guys on the inside that new everything almost , all the families and all the way western PA and north to scranton many cousins of theses guys were around all the time. Then again Yogi flipped and his name is present but no way they let Nick keep going.....

They never had anything on him till the end they would of had all kinds of info if a underboss or skipper was bad.

pretty boring stuff cause it 80 percent redacted seen a few things like the boston guys larry zaninno and doc the super jew bookie had dealings with scarfo he even went up there it says july 1981 that new history and the springfield guys from the genovese crew al bruno and scibelli brothers had dealings with him. serp im sure it will interest you they dont black out all the bars they hung out at and street addresses are the peoples living quarters. cool it came out thou

Yeah know them our island is only seven miles long not much we did not know. And AC is only a few miles long and several blocks wide .

the more you think about it pretty crazy scarfo became the boss of a family even thou he was headquaterd a hour away from philly he must have been loved by the genovese folks

My eyes are bad reading it so tell me the page of the local info and I may be able to answer,,,but no way they even had to wait for the crow and Tommy to get Nick no way they keep bullets flying all over Phillies .

yaeh im 35 it hurts my eyes i'll double check something about the myway lounge and a bar across the street. it has addresses of places thee feds were doing stop check survilence all threw out it

My way was Nicks bar he bartended there before he became partner.

its boring as fuck serp but still interesting espec. since thats your part of the world. what a legacy he must have left down there. hes dumb son should have tried to plead out i bet they offerd him something like 20 he took his chance

tell you what serp they put a mgm casino in downtown springfield mass its nice the crowd nuts last saturday will see if it pays off

there hiring security off the street in springfield lol its like a gang of young spanish kids its wild. massachusetts tried to follow laws in casinos around usa no felons allowed to work in casinos yaeh rite the house had to redraw a bill very quiet they couldnt find people for all the shit jobs so you can be a felon and work in a casino in mass. sneaked it rite by

serp any the casinos down there open a sports book like in vegas you sit down watch every sports in the world drink and bet?

Even though this is heavily redacted, it's still pretty cool to have. Thanks for letting us know.

Pmac back in 70’s and 80’s they were hiring off the street every department and after a small amount of people from Vegas that has experience it was all locals even in the eyes in the sky so we knew everyone and everything never ever did we have to pay after the first time and it was a blast.

I like the sport book at Ocean and Borgata it’s just great at the Ocean you can sit at the bar in the book and yes actually a Vegas company did the Oceans book so it’s very similar.

I can’t even begin to tell you the great time that we had here all my life ..it’s a shame I am to old to see it come around again but if the economy stay strong it will .

Ocean Resorts Sportsbook is AMAZING.

Right on Dante it’s a good spot ...a friend in a President in a hotel casino and I feel bad when I don’t go to his spot but what can you do and actually the guy that I am talking about was one of the guys on the hospital list that could go up when Jr. got shot, there were several names other then I and all Ducktown locals on that security list .

I just don’t get “ still to this day why Nick sr. did not put Skinny and Mikey C. in there place quick ... he was getting reports way before Jr. was shot . I am guessing Nick did not kill both because of there fathers .... and must of thought these guys had some respect for the life that there fathers gave there life for. Mikey was no joke but it just goes to show you that in that life you have to kill and keep on killing ! But in the end he did not follow through...

Nick was going to make Jr. soon and they were just about to get some sort of functionality back when it all went to shit...and to this day no kind of LCN family....just a gang I guess.


How broken was the mob at that time .... NY was getting crushed and of course so was Philly that a street crew took the LCN rackets for years and the Westside calls for Skinny and others to be taken out a couple times and it don’t happen... what a big difference a few years made.

Lot of people have a go at Nick but he was a true gangster and the likes of Phi who was a coward makes me laugh!

Not just Phil .... he was a killer and no joke while the odds were in his favor....many many just like him. The ones like Nick sr. and even Nick jr. are a rarity in that life.

Years back when I would talk about NY and North Jersey and other states not recognizing the people supposedly in charge or what went down in Philly people thought I was just talking , but now with all wiretapping and guys flipping much has come out even NY wanting the top three or four guys in Philly dead .

Now this was not just a brain storm from a couple guys it was other families that did not recognize Philly bosses at least three families still were behind Nick sr. as boss and if not for Phil L flipping Philly would still be a real family in NY eyes but because of how week and fed pressure the NY families let be and it was not till many years later that NY slowly had guys doing business with guys and associates of Philly and if NY bosses were not all or most under indictment or close the administration would of been killed and and still were several plots anyway that just never got completed.

I am sure more that I spoke about years ago will come out as these guys get busted and flip but one thing for sure it’s nothing like it’s supposed to be or was.

Philly seems to be running real strong....

but Ralph natalie got made my bruno and gambino at the same time lmfao.

I don’t think it’s running as a traditional family.....there are guys with crews that are not kicking and that would of been a death sentence.

The skippers and up are top heavy almost to the point that there is a possibility that there is no real structure no way are all the guys that were at the top five years ago are sitting down for others ..... something not right .

There is way way to many chiefs and not enough soldiers...... and if there are those soldiers are flying low and no earning...so who wants to spend half your life in the joint if nobody earning.... if they were earning like back in the day there would be evidence .

So it’s very possible that they are just doing whatever and nothing is organized other then a couple skippers that are earners and I think Skinny only has a few of them .

That guy was not liked or ever around Ducktown let alone in Gambinos good graces .

Uncle Joe saved that family I reckon, would not surprise me if we were underestimating them a structured family

Agreed he was a level headed guy....but he knew nothing about the life as a boss....before that you would think he was around guys in the life but he was not... he hung with locals when out on streets after Chucky & Yogi and all went away while he was out.

He never mingled with others from different city’s and never invested in business in anything outside of the neighborhood.

But he was level headed... and was able to get his claws int some guys ...but it was George and Lance and Stevie ect. that were on the street ...even when he was not boss I am guessing that they just always looked up to him as a Philly guy and was tight with Yogi back here in the day . But he was nothing here in the prime.


Now don’t get me wrong they are active .....but nobody is in big business and nobody is getting rich .....but are they getting paid ..yes...but it’s mainly shy and gambling and stolen goods for the little guys.

The price rigging is way down to a few small contractors and a few favors in union stuff....but for me it’s got to be a million a year just to get me thinking.

Serp, I remember reading that Philly never had the big, lucrative white collar scams like New York had. Like Philly never had much in terms of garbage or construction.. even going back to the Scarfo years. Is that true? If so, that’d make sense that not many people are earning these days.

And I agree about the “all chiefs not enough indians” part. Killing Bruno and the ensuing wars in the 80s and early 90s really gutted the family. Killed a lot of smart people and big time earners, and too many rats. I mean, losing smart guys like Leonetti and both Testa and his son hurt the family a lot. Eventually you end up with people in power who are a lot less talented... that and your bench becomes a lot thinner and weaker.

That, and Skinny Joey was never really an earner. He did a great job of winning the war and controlling his Young Turks or whatever, but he’s probably not much of a businessman.

You said it all .... without teaching you have shit.....even in that life .....the trash was small there and it did not have to be .....it’s a big area ...but nobody brought it in but a few bid rigging type thing.

And the killing of the Bosses and Nick was not going out by treason he much rather shoot it out in a dark room .

But yeah Skinny was what he was and yes he has ten fucken lives...

Nick would of never broke the rules like some of those guys .... but he was killing to many ....and not for the mob rules for the Feds but his outcome would of been same because every member knew almost everything everyone did and many don’t know the Crow was a junkie and a drunk and would of flipped no matter.....don’t believe that shit Nick was going to hit him in the joint ....Nick was not stupid he would of never told it ....Crow would of just been dead ...Nick is/ was not stupid in that life.

Serp, so you think Nick Sr was a good earner but Skinny Joey isn't, just more of a warlord?

Was Nick justified to behave the way he did after his two predecessors were brutally murdered? It's hard to like the guy for it, but it makes total psychological sense.

I personally think Ligambi did a fine job by keeping the family quiet for once

The fact that its 2018 and they're pretty much new to the "flipping houses" game is pitiful. Street gang members were doing that in the 1980s. Philly seems like a bunch of rag tag lowlifes with cheap suits

I'm not speaking 4 Serp,..but..half of the murders Scarfo carried out were justified because he had 2 save face 4 the killings of the previous 2 bosses , it was expected from New York as well, especially cause they appointed him boss.

agreed hoodlum. the frankie flowers murder seemed pointless thou. thats almost the murder that was the end of it all. overkill. guy was harmles, he should have went about it some otherway.

The Chin ruined the great city of Philadelphia. He's in hell now, and the devil's not buying his insanity act.

You gotta remember that although Scarfo was a stone hitter, he was never respected by the guys in Philadelphia. Harry the Hunch said Nick was a weasel. So of course he had to lay the murder game down. His paranoia got the best of him. He should've let Salvie run South Philly and Phil could've oversaw everything else.

Nick was not respected by Harry ....Harry was a rat since the 40’s..... look nobody is going to like everyone.Nick had his brothers in-law behind him even though they were not close they had a big crew so many made guys in Philly seen Nick as the wise as young guy so many were jealous and Nick did not sit for anyone but the boss .

Did Nick go overboard on a few of the hits ...he’ll yeah ! But in that life you have to pull the trigger quick...and would I given up Sal for Chuckie no way ! I would of let Chuckie go and Skinny with him ... but he fucked up ..and fucking Tommy was saying Nick did have a hit on Skinny later of course but while Tommy was still a skipper....and he fucked up by no putting closed contracts out instead he put open contracts out and if anyone flipped everyone but the guy that flipped is gone forever.

When Nick was going through all this it looked like it was always going to be a cash cow forever but he was wrong and he paid for it with his life in the joint ...and Nick was not a big earner he was a killer but he was not stupid like some.

He was able to use people and he knew rackets when available like when AC became a gambling town and if not for so many guys breaking the rules he would of been able to only concentrate on brackets in earning money but Philly guys are push back guys and will fight back quickly so it became a killing field.

Harry was a rat?

For many years .....dry snitch ... and informant never in court I don’t believe....


Lots and lots of stuff happened before internet shit did not get out ...even this about Harry did not get out till after internet.

I can only imagine what went through Scarfo’s mind when he became boss. His two predecessors had both been murdered. Then he tries to collect a street tax on Harry’s crew but they tell him off.. so Scarfo has to go to war with the Riccobenes to let everyone know Scarfo was in power and in total control and would go after anyone who didnt fall in line.

People say Nicky was too violent compared to Angelo, but look what happened to Angelo... gunned down in front of his own home. Bruno was obviously not feared enough by his capos and didnt have a strong enough faction behind him that scare off anyone who wanted to make a move.

So I can imagine that all of this turbulence and violence make Nicky paranoid from the get-go and that he could never fully trust anybody else in Philly... which is why he made Phil his underboss... he thought he would be 100% loyal because they were blood.

But obviously there’s a thin line between justifiable paranoia and devolving into being a total homicidal nut like Gaspipe. And things quickly spun out of control.

I’m not defending that scumbag at all, just thinking about why Scarfo was the way he was.

Dead end job no way of it being a success in the 80s as boss of philly. If he was too lenient he’s dead as history showed with the predecessors. Way too many egos and killers on the street at this time period. And Sal may of gone for the crown, maybe scarfo was right (within the mob life) to make a move. Sal was clearly a future number 1 just a matter of time,,,

So to conclude any way scarfo would’ve moved he would’ve been seen as a failure. Either dead or in jail as a killer boss. General consensus is he was a bad boss which I think is BS. He just chose a doomed crown. And in a way he did restore orders among the animals he was in charge of. Nobody would dare make a move against him

Appointing Phil as UB was a bad move though. Too young and clearly nepotism which isn’t good for morale. Joe bananas done the same and it ended his career. Scarfo should’ve known this - the inexperience and the fact he had served no time should’ve been a no no for an admin position. Guy flipped as soon as he got the time

True and he had a couple reasons to take out Salvie before it got out of hand using Chuckie as one of the reasons....but you never know Sal May have followed the rules but in that life you never know.

And yes these guys are not just cut throat they are killers and you never know ..... Nick did have a couple guys he could of left underboss but he wanted blood .... and no doubt he killed Salvie for Phil and his future....I think Phil would of did his time if the entire family did not go down....he knew his kid had nothing because Philly guys would of torturerd him because of Nick knocking down Chuckie and Yogi ....he really had no choice if he wanted his kid to have a chance.

And yes they are all killers .

phil as underboss was his undoing. there both in atlantic city whats that a hour 2 a awy from the powerbase. it was kinda in the same time frame as ray patriarca jr in providence. his father dies summer 1984. the nyc commission back him as the boss he picked some real old rhode island guy who died old age in 85 86 then wild bill brasso a new haven ct guy. who may have desreved it cause he had alot on nyc contacts he hid out allie boy persico in hartford for years but they looked over the real power base boston and all its little towns around . ray fucked up should have picked someone from there but he didnt and it cause his downfall. scarfo should have chose someone there after chucky merlino. he broke him and his brother down to soldier then made his nephew who was made into the family like 5 yrs earlier the underboss stupid.

his consif monte was killed quickly by harry riccobene crew. im on the fence as to if harry was a informant some guy write a whole blog on rats back then and 1 guy was i forgot name rocco scafidi or a brother. related to that horse head guy.

Harry Riccobene was a snitch? Did I hear that right? I never heard that before.

From hearing him talk I get the impression he could have written a very interesting book with someone like George Anastasia, or had an interesting sit down interview with someone.

He strikes me as a somewhat eloquent guy who would have an interesting perspective on things, and of course he led a very interesting life, even for a mobster.

Also have never heard that Harry was an informant. But I've always wondered if he was possibly the youngest made guy ever. Born in 1909, supposedly made in 1927 puts him at about 18..

He never testified.... he was a informant the info is out there ....I am not a researcher not even close but it’s out there and it’s not much be he was the old dry snitch back in the day .....one of these guys here will find the fbi report and there is more then one.

But it was not what you are thinking it never lead to guys going away it was information to Feds about hierarchy and other families in Pennsylvania and western NY.

Way before anyone was flipping he was getting favors or even a bust or two thrown out .

http://mafiahistory.us/rattrap/philadelphiainf.html

Thanks for posting

Wow, I have never seen this. Thanks.

I have known for a long time via a very famous attorney of course I am not saying who but it’s been known for a long time .



Good find 007



Harry would do anything to benefit Harry and with Philly bosses giving free reign he would manipulate rackets etc. into his favor via law-enforcement .

Nick was not kissing he ass and forming a NY style family from Philly families always function differently and that was not as profitable for boss or skippers this is why as the mob was changing the guys were doing more and more shit on side and when you break the rules in that life it falls apart, this is why it is like it is ......mass shit ! Everyone has to fall inline or be hit .

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=886473

Very interesting. Thank you.

I threw up a little in my throat when I found out he had a 21 year old girlfriend when he was in his early seventies.

is anyone from Harry's crew still active?
do we know where his haunts and headquarters were located?
anybody have history with his crew?

the stories and lore about him are extraordinary.
my grandparents bought their first colored TV from his gang