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Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos)

Posted By: Steve7585

Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/11/18 01:43 PM

Well known that all of the 5 families were well versed in narcotics with specialized crews doing most of the work. Now I'm not debating which family was more involved in the trade, I'm looking for more info on these 2 crews specifically. There have been a few articles on the DiPalermo brothers (Charles, Petey, Joey Beck) and the Pleasant Avenue Crew but I'd really like to hear if anyone else has anything they can add about them. There's a pretty good article on the DiPalermo's and in Al D'Arco's book which I'll list below. There's also a book on the Pleasant Avenue Crew ("Pleasant Avenue Connection") which for some reason can't be had for less than $150 online. Interested to see what you guys can turn up, thanks!

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2013/09/rays-pizza-and-lucchese-crime-family.html
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/11/18 07:09 PM

That's a good thread. I no almost all the beck brothers were made since probaly it started 1930ish. And probaly all there friends were made by 1960 except ray pizza guy the pleasant ave guys were younger and probaly made after 1977
Posted By: njcapo35

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 04:45 AM

I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 05:20 AM

Great thread, but Al D'Arco's stories will ruin it. Every story he tells has him terrorizing and telling off all the top mafia members of his time and many who came before him.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.


But dey don't kill dem civilians or dose FBI agents.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 09:46 AM

http://theblackhand.club/forum/view...1671&hilit=Prince+Street+crew#p11671

Prince Street Crew:

Frank “Chick Wilson” Citrano (19??-1960) - ?
Ciro “Charley Baker” Giampaolo (1960s) Retired.
Joseph “Joey Calabrese” Lagano (b. 1906-1973) (1960s-1973) Died.
Joseph “Joe Beck” DiPalermo (1973-1990) Stepped Down.
-Peter “Pete Beck” DiPalermo (Early 1980s/1986-1990) Died.
Dominic "Crazy Dom" Truscello (1990-Present)
-Anthony “Torty” Tortorello (1991-1997) Imprisoned.
-Ralph “Raffie” Cuomo (Mid/Late 1990s)
-Vincent "Vinny Casablanca" Mancione (2001-2002) Imprisoned.
-Anthony Croce (2002-2010) Imprisoned
Posted By: njcapo35

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden


But dey don't kill dem civilians or dose FBI agents.


Suck DEEZ nuts!...On second thought, you'll take me up on that offer. No Thanks
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.


But dey don't kill dem civilians or dose FBI agents.



Moe they are gangsters and killers ! If not for them being killed by a boss for killing a cop they would be trying to kill them much more often.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Serpiente
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.


But dey don't kill dem civilians or dose FBI agents.



Moe they are gangsters and killers ! If not for them being killed by a boss for killing a cop they would be trying to kill them much more often.



Joel Cacace ordered to kill cop Ralph Dol and nothing happened to him.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 07:19 PM

gigi the whale was one of the pleasant and a guy from the gambinos he was indicted for shaking down a consttruction company in boston. he did like 20yrs for dope before the gambinos made him, he was in that guy ronnie one arms kids crew there a picture on here somewhere. strange he would be a east harlem guy and end up in a queens crew
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.




Any idea why and how they were framing guys? I wonder if the agents doing so were ever punished for it. To put a person in prison rightfully is justified, to frame a person just on a suspicion is not moral. I know they may be bad guys, but the law should be enforced justly.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 10:41 PM

Ernie boy.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/12/18 10:43 PM

Wasnt the purple gang basically the pleasant ave guys? Matthew Madonna. danny leo and mike mancuso were members to
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/13/18 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.


Why dipalermo should asked genovese for the ok to kill a fed if he was a lucchese capo?
Posted By: downtown

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/13/18 12:10 PM

Remember also that Frank (Chick Wilson) Citrano , Joe Beck were implicated in the Carlo Tresca murder for Vito Genovese in 1943.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/14/18 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.



Does anyone know the names of crew members framed, and if any later testified against DiPalermo?
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/14/18 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.




Any idea why and how they were framing guys? I wonder if the agents doing so were ever punished for it. To put a person in prison rightfully is justified, to frame a person just on a suspicion is not moral. I know they may be bad guys, but the law should be enforced justly.



https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95292&relPageId=2&search=Joe_dipalermo

Joe Beck dipalermo when in 1959 when was in the same prison asked genovese the permission to kill FBN agent John R. Enright. So maybe was him to frame dipalermo men.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/14/18 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.




Any idea why and how they were framing guys? I wonder if the agents doing so were ever punished for it. To put a person in prison rightfully is justified, to frame a person just on a suspicion is not moral. I know they may be bad guys, but the law should be enforced justly.


Just because someone said they read it somewhere doesn't mean it's true.

Rest assured that agents go through the correct channels in terms of corroborating evidence and processing information.

For example: They don't read something random and blindly and impulsively believe it to be true.

It's hard to become a federal agent. It's not like robbing a truck or setting up a card game. Not any doofus can do it.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/14/18 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.




Any idea why and how they were framing guys? I wonder if the agents doing so were ever punished for it. To put a person in prison rightfully is justified, to frame a person just on a suspicion is not moral. I know they may be bad guys, but the law should be enforced justly.


Just because someone said they read it somewhere doesn't mean it's true.

Rest assured that agents go through the correct channels in terms of corroborating evidence and processing information.

For example: They don't read something random and blindly and impulsively believe it to be true.

It's hard to become a federal agent. It's not like robbing a truck or setting up a card game. Not any doofus can do it.


Moe tell this at the federal agent that believed for years to connolly shits.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/15/18 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.




Any idea why and how they were framing guys? I wonder if the agents doing so were ever punished for it. To put a person in prison rightfully is justified, to frame a person just on a suspicion is not moral. I know they may be bad guys, but the law should be enforced justly.


Just because someone said they read it somewhere doesn't mean it's true.

Rest assured that agents go through the correct channels in terms of corroborating evidence and processing information.

For example: They don't read something random and blindly and impulsively believe it to be true.

It's hard to become a federal agent. It's not like robbing a truck or setting up a card game. Not any doofus can do it.



The FBI is loaded with imbeciles. They investigate terrorists, say they have found nothing, and then we get hit with an attack by the same person they investigated. They are corrupt, and it is actually tougher to become a mafia member than a fed.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/15/18 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by njcapo35
I remember reading Joe DiPalermo asked for Genovese's permission to put a hit on federal narcotics agents, who were framing members of his crew. They must of had warehouses full of money from all the dope they were selling. Addition to the dealing, they also had no problem putting in the dirty work. Laid down a lot guys.




Any idea why and how they were framing guys? I wonder if the agents doing so were ever punished for it. To put a person in prison rightfully is justified, to frame a person just on a suspicion is not moral. I know they may be bad guys, but the law should be enforced justly.


Just because someone said they read it somewhere doesn't mean it's true.

Rest assured that agents go through the correct channels in terms of corroborating evidence and processing information.

For example: They don't read something random and blindly and impulsively believe it to be true.

It's hard to become a federal agent. It's not like robbing a truck or setting up a card game. Not any doofus can do it.


Moe tell this at the federal agent that believed for years to connolly shits.



Exactly. Let's include the FBI agents who handled Scarpa, and Paul Rico and his group of FBI low life in New England.
Posted By: UncleVig

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/16/18 04:01 AM

The FBN was framing people for chists sake you believe Vito Genovese would even utter a word or acknowledge a scumbag like Nelson Cantellops? The FAN was a rogue outfit run by Harry Anslinger who was enemy to Hoover. There were actual narc agents back than who were junkies themselves.FBN USED TO ILLEGAL TAP PHONES, HOUSES, payphone and collect illegal evidence than bust a mob guy on some bullshit PC.the case that put chin and Vito Genovese away also swept up a dipalermo, balance and it was a frame supposedly with the help of Costello, for the murder attempt. That's why galante blew the doors off Costello tomb.
The FBN agents were highly feared as well.
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/16/18 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by UncleVig
The FBN was framing people for chists sake you believe Vito Genovese would even utter a word or acknowledge a scumbag like Nelson Cantellops? The FAN was a rogue outfit run by Harry Anslinger who was enemy to Hoover. There were actual narc agents back than who were junkies themselves.FBN USED TO ILLEGAL TAP PHONES, HOUSES, payphone and collect illegal evidence than bust a mob guy on some bullshit PC.the case that put chin and Vito Genovese away also swept up a dipalermo, balance and it was a frame supposedly with the help of Costello, for the murder attempt. That's why galante blew the doors off Costello tomb.
The FBN agents were highly feared as well.

Imo framing somebody means fabricating false evidence and using it to arrest people for a crime they didn’t commit. Illegally wiretapping phones and/or collecting evidence without a warrant is not “framing”, if the discussions overheard over the phone did really take place and the person really committed the crime. It may be illegal, but it’s not “framing” in a sense like planting drugs on somebody who never handled them or putting a murder weapon in the house of somebody who didn’t do it, or testifying about things that never happened.
I mean, Cantellops testifying about Genovese meeting him was a frame-up if it never happened, but if phones are wiretapped without a warrant, and people actually talk about crimes on the phone, then it’s not the same if they really did it. Illegally obtained evidence isn't necessarily false.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Originally Posted by UncleVig
The FBN was framing people for chists sake you believe Vito Genovese would even utter a word or acknowledge a scumbag like Nelson Cantellops? The FAN was a rogue outfit run by Harry Anslinger who was enemy to Hoover. There were actual narc agents back than who were junkies themselves.FBN USED TO ILLEGAL TAP PHONES, HOUSES, payphone and collect illegal evidence than bust a mob guy on some bullshit PC.the case that put chin and Vito Genovese away also swept up a dipalermo, balance and it was a frame supposedly with the help of Costello, for the murder attempt. That's why galante blew the doors off Costello tomb.
The FBN agents were highly feared as well.

Imo framing somebody means fabricating false evidence and using it to arrest people for a crime they didn’t commit. Illegally wiretapping phones and/or collecting evidence without a warrant is not “framing”, if the discussions overheard over the phone did really take place and the person really committed the crime. It may be illegal, but it’s not “framing” in a sense like planting drugs on somebody who never handled them or putting a murder weapon in the house of somebody who didn’t do it, or testifying about things that never happened.
I mean, Cantellops testifying about Genovese meeting him was a frame-up if it never happened, but if phones are wiretapped without a warrant, and people actually talk about crimes on the phone, then it’s not the same if they really did it. Illegally obtained evidence isn't necessarily false.


There were no wiretaps legal or otherwise. Framing is trying to put someone in prison for a crime in which there is no proof of their guilty, other than saying that they had to be guilty. It's wrong.
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by jace

There were no wiretaps legal or otherwise. Framing is trying to put someone in prison for a crime in which there is no proof of their guilty, other than saying that they had to be guilty. It's wrong.

Sure it's wrong, but so is killing and drug dealing, isn't it? About wiretaps, I wasn't referring to the Genovese case, was just speaking generally.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Originally Posted by jace

There were no wiretaps legal or otherwise. Framing is trying to put someone in prison for a crime in which there is no proof of their guilty, other than saying that they had to be guilty. It's wrong.

Sure it's wrong, but so is killing and drug dealing, isn't it? About wiretaps, I wasn't referring to the Genovese case, was just speaking generally.


Of course it's wrong, although I see no mention of killings, just drugs in the frame ups. If they know a person did it, they need to show how, they can't accuse me or you of being guilty of a crime and say it's based on instincts, a hunch, or who we associate with. So they frame us. It is wrong. If they have evidence they need to produce it, not fake it or trick people into thinking it exists.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by pmac
gigi the whale was one of the pleasant and a guy from the gambinos he was indicted for shaking down a consttruction company in boston. he did like 20yrs for dope before the gambinos made him, he was in that guy ronnie one arms kids crew there a picture on here somewhere. strange he would be a east harlem guy and end up in a queens crew


Pmac are you sure Gigi the Whale was made? I heard he turn down he button many times. He had a sidekick named Tommy Matches. Also from Pleasant avenue Purple gang wasn't there the Caino brothers, Angelo and Fat Paulie. I think Paulie heart blew up and dies many years ago.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 04:22 AM

not sure about gigi but he was a herion guy in east harlem did like 20yrs. he died i think 10 yrs ago wasnt that old.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 04:28 AM

i found a good old article he was older then i thought. he died age 70 in 2005. he was released in 1995 and hung around all the old mob spots. he went to trial with carmine tramunti boss off the luchese family in early 70tys he loaned the dope guys the start up money and went down with them at trial
Posted By: pmac

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 04:32 AM

another old times article says joseph dinapoli was also convicted and a dozen others i wonder if thats the same guy indicted with steve crea they say he is or was the consig
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/17/18 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Originally Posted by jace

There were no wiretaps legal or otherwise. Framing is trying to put someone in prison for a crime in which there is no proof of their guilty, other than saying that they had to be guilty. It's wrong.

Sure it's wrong, but so is killing and drug dealing, isn't it? About wiretaps, I wasn't referring to the Genovese case, was just speaking generally.


Ignore him. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/18/18 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Originally Posted by jace

There were no wiretaps legal or otherwise. Framing is trying to put someone in prison for a crime in which there is no proof of their guilty, other than saying that they had to be guilty. It's wrong.

Sure it's wrong, but so is killing and drug dealing, isn't it? About wiretaps, I wasn't referring to the Genovese case, was just speaking generally.


Ignore him. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.



You saying I don't have a clue, or that Dwalin doesn't?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/18/18 11:42 AM

Dwalin is a good poster so who do you think I'm on about?
Posted By: jace

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/19/18 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Dwalin is a good poster so who do you think I'm on about?


So even though I asked you twice to stop bothering me and making remarks, you continue.
Posted By: SC

Re: Drug dealing crews (Pleasant ave, DiPalermos) - 09/19/18 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by jace
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Dwalin is a good poster so who do you think I'm on about?


So even though I asked you twice to stop bothering me and making remarks, you continue.



uhwhat

The two of you win the "Odd Couple" of the Year award but jace is right. Moe, you were asked quite civilly to stop the flaming remarks but you choose not to honor that. Perhaps a few weeks to think about it will give you time to see the simple, civil request is no big deal for you but will go a long way to maintaining peace on the boards.
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