The nazi Bill Riccio

I was watching "Nazi Usa" and think can an italian american like Bill Riccio be considerate a pure,white,american?
What I means that is not a contradiction? Certainly the real Americans are the Indians (and we know what happened to them) the rest are all immigrants.Maybe is nothing (Tyler bingham is half jew) what do you think ?

Also Michael William Brescia the suspect john Doe II in Oklahoma City bombing is an italian american.

Yes Italians are as White as anyone else. Whiter maybe. And certainly capable of the same stupidity.

I've never considered Italians white. Out here in Cali a lot of Italians pass themselves as Chicanos.

The hilarious thing about these people calling themselves nazis and aryans is that they probably all would have been sent to camps in hitlers ideal world. It was very much a germanic thing he idealised more than being white. He and his inner circle were basically a bunch of looney toons that believed in conspiracy theories and believed they were descendants of the lost city of atlantis. They even went as far as to try and manufacture their own made up history of ancient germans by sending out expeditions to find artifacts like the holy grail etc. It would be funny if it wasnt for the fact that it ended up with them killing the disabled, jews and basically anyone they werent willing to stretch the ever fluctuating definitions of being aryan for.

That's kind of sad. Italian culture is as rich as any on the planet. Shouldn't be ashamed of who they are.

Oakasfan for sure they are white but aryans? Hitler considered aryans even the Scandinavians and the Germans born outside of Germany but never considered Italians as Aryans but as "Mediterranean race". Its absurd that they consider himself as aryans while hitler would send them in a
extermination camp.

I don't think it has anything to do with shame. If you were to ask most of these people if they were Italian, they'd say they were, and express pride in it. They just don't 'claim' it per se in their day to day lives.

There are no Italian communities in California. Some older Italians think there are, because they meet up with a few other families at whatever last standing mom and pops Italian eatery is in the area, but these are really more like historical clubs than any real pillars of preservation.

A lot of Mexican-American neighborhoods in California are former Italian neighborhoods. Interesting how it worked out that way. Many of the remaining Italians that grew up in these neighborhoods identify as Chicanos.

I also wouldn't confuse Chicano culture with Mexican culture. Chicano culture is mostly English speaking, and much of the music Chicanos like is the same that older Italians back east like, oldies, r&b ballads, etc.

Catholicism is also certainly a major commonality between these two cultures.

I believe it was Malcom X or someone who referred to this as something like "second place syndrome". Instead of fighting oppression, some minorities (and whites who belong to more recently arrived immigrant groups) fight over being the most serviceable to the oppressors. Sort of like the "house slave" mentality.

Italy was an Allie of Hitler.

Mussolini was an ally of Hitler. Not sure if it's accurate to say that the people of Italy were. There was always an anti-fascist movement in Italy, which included many wealthy and influential people, even before WW2.

Yeah, Italian and German soldiers fought side by side, but they wanted to put them into "camps." I swear some of the people here have never read a book in their life.

I'm not sure what your point is, Gerry.

What books have you read about 1940s Italy, btw?

I wasnt disputing that. I was saying the whole concept of nazism and the aryanism is based on horseshit. I think unless im mistaken hitler conveniently believed that northern italians were aryan and that southern italians werent.

Hitler idolized Mussolini but thought that the Italians were weak and even despised the Japaneses, he allied with both because the japan should fight the english and american armies in Asia and the italy should fight the Royal navy in the mediterranean sea.Hitler also hate that the japanese dont wanted to help him in russia's invasions.

After September 8,1943 the nazis invade italy and occuped it and until April 1945 italy was treated like the other occupated contries but worst because the Germans thinked that the italians betrayed them.

And then they murdered so many Italian soldiers, like the massacres of the Acqui division and Infantry Division Perugia

You made the claim they would have been sent to ”camps.” I really don't care about Nazism or Aryanism, but the truth. There were even half blacks in Nazi Germany who weren't put in camps. Germany was also allies with the Japanese, the Slavic Ukranians and Croatians, etc. The Nazis did horrible things, but to claim they were throwing everyone who wasn't an "Aryan" into camps is a lie.

Gerry, you never told me what books you've read about Mussolini's Italy.

You said that others here have "never read a book in their life". Remember?