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Philly family present day scale

Posted By: SimonChen

Philly family present day scale - 03/15/18 06:47 PM

In the 2004 new jersy organized crime report it.says at the time half of the 50 members of philly family were jailed and another 15 were inactive so there were only 10 active guys? That seems more like a small crew not a family. What about now? How many active members do you estimate? and to what extent do they still control the local rackets? Thanks.
Posted By: SilentPartnerz

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/15/18 06:53 PM

check out Mukremin's charts. he's pretty on top of things...
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/15/18 07:04 PM

Philly has 7 capo's
1. North Jersey/licata
2.south Jersey/???
3. philadelphia/ Martin Angelina
4. Philadelphia/gaeton lucibello
5. Philadelphia/ Mike Lance
6. Philadelphia/ George Borgesi
7. Philadelphia/ Phillip narducci (capo in scarfo era)
These are the capo's that's publicly known
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/15/18 09:45 PM

My guess probaly 25 made guys in philly 10 in new jersey active? There was only like 4 capo when scarfo was at his peak in 1985. There was only 2 in philly then 1 in north jersey and that guy santo idone who had 1 soldier. Id bet theres probaly 3 4 tops capos. To many chiefs not anuff indians.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/15/18 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by thebigfella
Philly has 7 capo's
1. North Jersey/licata
2.south Jersey/???
3. philadelphia/ Martin Angelina
4. Philadelphia/gaeton lucibello
5. Philadelphia/ Mike Lance
6. Philadelphia/ George Borgesi
7. Philadelphia/ Phillip narducci (capo in scarfo era)
These are the capo's that's publicly known

Lucibello isn't a captain anymore and I'm guessing Angelina isn't either.
Posted By: Ravens410

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Ted
Originally Posted by thebigfella
Philly has 7 capo's
1. North Jersey/licata
2.south Jersey/???
3. philadelphia/ Martin Angelina
4. Philadelphia/gaeton lucibello
5. Philadelphia/ Mike Lance
6. Philadelphia/ George Borgesi
7. Philadelphia/ Phillip narducci (capo in scarfo era)
These are the capo's that's publicly known

Lucibello isn't a captain anymore and I'm guessing Angelina isn't either.


Marty got knocked down after the assault charge on the shore. Sonny has taken over the south jersey borgata.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 12:30 AM

is there any philly guys in trenton or camden not really the inner city parts cause ive seen there like 3rd world countrys but the burbs. or even cherry hill. but id assume john gambino and his cousins probaly had that on lock down since they got out of prison. actually just looking on a map of the area seems like camden nj is cherry hill or there side by side. no wonder guys were pissed at bruno for letting the gambinos operate there its like a few miles from philly
Posted By: Aces

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 01:13 AM

John gambino died.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 01:36 AM

oh ya. last summer. he was meeting with the philly guys in 2011.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 03:33 AM

Wow, I didn't know Angelina got kicked down, and what has Sonny done to be in charge of South Philly? Is he acting?
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 03:34 AM

South Jersey
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 03:35 AM

So who tooked over Martin Angelina crew?
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by SimonChen
In the 2004 new jersy organized crime report it.says at the time half of the 50 members of philly family were jailed and another 15 were inactive so there were only 10 active guys? That seems more like a small crew not a family. What about now? How many active members do you estimate? and to what extent do they still control the local rackets? Thanks.


I found a blackhand forum philly chart before I was shelved.

1. Boss: Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino/53
-Ruling Panel: Steven "Handsome Steve" Mazzone/51, John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini/59 and Phillip Narducci/53
2. UnderBoss: ?????
3. Consiglieri: Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi/76


Capos:
1. Martin "Marty" Angelina/53 – South Philly
2. George “Georgie Boy” Borgesi/52 – South Philly, Delaware County and South Jersey
3. Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancellotti/52 – South Philly and AC
4. Joseph "Scoops" Licata/74 – North Jersey
5. Anthony “Ant” Staino/58 (IP/2/17/2020) – South Jersey and South Philly


Soldiers:

6)Vincent "Beepsie" Centorino/85
7)Joseph “Chickie” Ciancaglini Sr/81
8)Martin "Marty Crutch" Curro/60
9)Frank DiPasquale
10)Eric Esposito/45
11)Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini/48
12Vincent "Big Vince" Filipelli/63
13Robert “The Cook” Gentile/77
14Dominic Grande/37
15Joseph Grande/55
16Francis "Faffy" Iannarella/68
17Charles "Charlie White" Iannece/80
18Vincent "Vince" Iannece/48
19Albert “Ally Lance/Cousin Al” Lancelotti
20Gaeton “Gate/The Big Guy” Lucibello/62
21Salvatore "Sonny" Mazzone/42
22Nicholas "Nicky Whip" Milano/54
23Frank “Windows” Narducci Jr/62
24Nicholas "Nicky O" Oliveri/63
25Anthony "Tony Pung" Pungitore Jr/61
26Joseph "Joey Pung" Pungitore/59
27Dominic Rugnetta/90
28Salvatore "Tory" Scafidi/54
29Joseph “Joey Electric” Servidio/56
30Ralph "Junior" Staino/83
31Luigi “Gino” Tripodi/76
32Shawn Vetere/47


Likely Members:
33Joseph Baldino/35
34Joseph “Bongs” Bongiovanni/69
35Anthony Borgesi/42
36Philip “Philly” Ligambi/66
37Vito Malgeri


Imprisoned Members:
Damion “Dame” Canalichio/45 (IP/12/21/2021)
Frank Martines/61 (IP/L)
Joseph "Mousie" Massimino/65 (IP/1/13/2025)
Anthony “Tony Nics” Nicodemo/43 (IP)
Vincent “Al Pajamas” Pagano/86 (IP/9/28/2063)
Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo/86 (IP/1/05/2033)
Salvatore “Shotsie” Sparacio/94 (IP/5/4/2020)
John Stanfa/74 (IP/L)


Members Who Have Died Since 1998:
Joseph “Gennaro Boccia” Costello (2007)
Joseph “Joe Crutch” Curro (2004)
Dominick "Tommy Adams" DiNorscio (1999)
Raymond “Fredo” Esposito (1999)
Anthony “Tony Meats” Ferrante (2001)
Gerardo “Jerry” Fusella (2007)
Frank Gambino (2012)
Robert Guarente (2004)
Frank "Snuffy" Iannarella
Santo “Big Santo” Idone (2005)
Alphonse "Funzie" Marconi (2006)
Guerino "Gino" Marconi (2009)
Raymond "Long John" Martirano (2002) (Killed)
Salvatore "Chucky" Merlino (2012)
Ralph “Blackie” Napoli (2003)
Anthony “Tony Buck” Piccolo (2004)
Anthony "Martino/Blonde Babe" Pungitore Sr. (2012)
Orlando Puppo (2000)
Michael “Mickey the Walker" Ricciardi (2001)
Harry “The Hunchback” Riccobene (2000)
Santo Romeo (1999)
Antonio “Nino” Sciglitano (2005)
Ronald “Ronnie” Turchi Sr (1999) (Killed)
Michael "Mikey Pen Knife" Virgilio (2007)

so 42 made men on the streets and 8 in prison.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/16/18 02:50 PM

That's very old
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/17/18 07:49 PM

Wow so the family is stronger today than it.was under Scarfo
Not many can say that?
Posted By: SimonChen

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/17/18 08:11 PM

The problem is you think how many guys on the streets are active? In 2004 there were 15 inactive members what about now?
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 05:00 AM

WOW that's unbelievable in this day and age the family that has a boss that is "PUBLIC ENEMY #1"

His LCN family was able to grow by about 100%

Also, Skinny had not sure if he still has a crew in FL
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Wow so the family is stronger today than it.was under Scarfo
Not many can say that?


Absolutly not. After scarfo philly family reduced to a street gang;now ligambi rebuilted the family but lost most of his power,for example now doesn't had numbers to impose a street tax like in the glorious days.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 12:17 PM

It’s nothing like it was 79-90 the guys that were left that knew what was what were in the joint or dead . Chuckie was feeding Skinny info to get money but still with Stanfa not knowing 1/3 of what was going on in the tristate area ....and you all know the rest !

But guys left on street were bottom of the barrel....
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 03:43 PM


I was responding to a post that said under Scarfo there were 4 crews and now there are 7
And in that 7 they didn't list Florida at all.

From what I read Skinny had a crew in Fl

As for quality I think across the board quality will.never be close to what it was.

Whether in NYC, Detroit or Philly.

If you read anything that Sonny Girard wrote he breaks that down better than anyone I have seen.

Past generations that came.from Sicily living conditions were so ruff that jail wasn't too far off.

Growing up in that environment produces a certain tuffness you become conditioned to be a certain way.
In the Italian ghetto's growing up was very tuff.
With few options to get out of that environment.

LCN back then for alot of guys in the Italian ghetto was the least path of resistance.

Today's generation for the most part are Americanized SPOILED.

In the ghetto you grew up fighting everyday now that environment does not exist.

For Italians anyway.

Bensonhurst brooklyn.in the 80's and 90's it was like the wild west very often bodies were left in the street for everyone to see, if you get out of line that could happen to you.
Or a guy would disappear and that was that.

Nowadays for the most part in America that's just not how it is.

The old guard is gone forever guys like Sonny Franzese etc.
You may get a guy here and there that is old school but that is more the exception than the norm.
In my opinion.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by BensonHURST

I was responding to a post that said under Scarfo there were 4 crews and now there are 7
And in that 7 they didn't list Florida at all.

From what I read Skinny had a crew in Fl

As for quality I think across the board quality will.never be close to what it was.

Whether in NYC, Detroit or Philly.

If you read anything that Sonny Girard wrote he breaks that down better than anyone I have seen.

Past generations that came.from Sicily living conditions were so ruff that jail wasn't too far off.

Growing up in that environment produces a certain tuffness you become conditioned to be a certain way.
In the Italian ghetto's growing up was very tuff.
With few options to get out of that environment.

LCN back then for alot of guys in the Italian ghetto was the least path of resistance.

Today's generation for the most part are Americanized SPOILED.

In the ghetto you grew up fighting everyday now that environment does not exist.

For Italians anyway.

Bensonhurst brooklyn.in the 80's and 90's it was like the wild west very often bodies were left in the street for everyone to see, if you get out of line that could happen to you.
Or a guy would disappear and that was that.

Nowadays for the most part in America that's just not how it is.

The old guard is gone forever guys like Sonny Franzese etc.
You may get a guy here and there that is old school but that is more the exception than the norm.
In my opinion.



Bhurst are you saying that Bensonhurst/bath beach was an Italian ghetto? Thanks
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 05:13 PM

Yes
Posted By: BillyBrizzi

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Yes


Really, a ghetto? I certainly believe that it was very dangerous and that it was, in those days, probably the neighborhood with the most mob activity of the entire US but one of the most important criteria for a neighborhood to be called a ghetto is median income, it has to be very low. Most of Bensonhurst, from what I can gather was middle class. I'm not trying to lecture you or anything, because I never lived there, I am just wondering why you would call it a ghetto because I never heard anyone call it that before..
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted by BensonHURST
Yes


Really, a ghetto? I certainly believe that it was very dangerous and that it was, in those days, probably the neighborhood with the most mob activity of the entire US but one of the most important criteria for a neighborhood to be called a ghetto is median income, it has to be very low. Most of Bensonhurst, from what I can gather was middle class. I'm not trying to lecture you or anything, because I never lived there, I am just wondering why you would call it a ghetto because I never heard anyone call it that before..


It wasnt. It was a good neighbourhood, dont know what he is talking about.
Posted By: Moscone65

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 06:31 PM

It was definitely a rough, blue collar, working class neighborhood back in the day especially.
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 06:51 PM

Ghetto meaning all.one ethnic group.

Today the last remaining Italian ghetto that I know of in NYC is Staten Island.

My time growing bensonhurst was a middle class neighborhood.

We didn't endure those harsh poor conditions more of the wild west because the wisefuys and social clubs were everywhere and they just weren't afraid to kill you they chose to.

Previous generations were poorer and Italians were no welcomed with open arms when the masses immigrated from Sicily.
Also, about thatbtine was the great depression the whole country had it tuff.

Also WW-2 more Italians serves in the military then any other nationality.

The guys that serves in the war those guys were tuff.

I mean war was different back then.

Look at Normandy Beach those guys ran into the bullets and bombs.

I was referring to two different time frames in my post.

In the 90's when I am growing up the older men in the neighborhood the previous generation was ww-2 era .

They had it really tuff, the generation before me.
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 09:38 PM

I know four Philly guys got pinched weds. Morning!!! A made guy in phillybwas wearing a wire..... not it news yet or papers or google.. why's that??
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 10:38 PM

Says who? How do you "know" thay happened? I was with 2 of those guys yesterday... Gabbing about everything.... Seems weird that didnt come up.
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 10:41 PM

Because I very dear friend of mine was one of them.. it's a guy who owns a rest in phillybweari g a wire
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 10:42 PM

Pm me
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 10:49 PM

Who is the made guy that wore a wire
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/18/18 10:50 PM

Don't know his name... but there are 3 Jersey guys in FDC Philly right now and I don't know the 4th guy
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 12:11 AM

Do you at least have 1 name?
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 12:29 AM

The bigfella pm me
Posted By: grumpies

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 12:37 AM

[quote=Stripes]The bigfella pm me[/quote say his name please.. pm me commeeeon man.. please .. let it out if u know.. is this the mob wives show.. Really..
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 12:42 AM

Sorry no can do at this time.. it's been since weds. Morning and nothing in news or papers or Google on the pinch
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 12:45 AM

Bit if they got pinched that makes it public news but if you don't even know the names then how do you know it happened at all?
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 12:47 AM

But it's not in the news or papers that's why I'm not mentioning there names at this time.. most likely more to come
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 01:06 AM

Maybe they didn't get arrested they were just taken in and let go
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 01:16 AM

Nope there in custody 100%
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 01:34 AM

Where are the local guys from Philly isn't there a handful on here?
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 05:42 PM

Dave schratwieser is reporting the made guy is Salvatore piccolo I a meth bust, I don't know is he was the made guy that wore a wire or not
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 07:38 PM

stripes with the good call. sounds like they were selling pounds of meth to a wired up agent probaly on video to. hes fucked. im guessing hes related to scarfos uncles the piccolos. merlino must have okayed him. let bygones be bygones.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 08:02 PM

Good call stripes, sorry for doubting you
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 08:29 PM

No worries!! I didn't want to say any names ad I'm close to all four guys pinched
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 09:05 PM

take it the guys young. so people smoke meth down in philly nowadays. i no half the shity ecstacy in pill form is just meth and not mdma. new england we still like to smoke the crack rock in a stem and shoot herion thats not really herion its fentanyl that kills 1 out of 2 fiends. now every city an town in new england are sueing the makers of percocet and oxycottin, you really think there gonna settle or pay out yaeh rite. if you tried to sell meth in massachusetts the dea and every informant would have you busted in 2 days. i remember in the old scarfo books it said philly was like the meth/crank capitol of the usa probaly before the crack era in philly.
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 10:03 PM

Schratwieser just tweeted . Fbi had a made guy as a informant since 2015
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 10:58 PM

The Feds had a rat for almost 4 years and a made guy to boot and they have a guy busted for selling Mexican meth ! Something not right here.

Why would this be released on a fucking tiny bust !
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 11:04 PM

If they had a made guy in philly wearing a wire for the last few years id expect the nyc d.a. to drop the case against merlino and philly probaly just indict all them guys down there. Will see.
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 11:06 PM

https://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2018/03/19/la-cosa-nostra-drug-arrests/438618002/
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 11:09 PM

Meth biz must be a weird scary place. Coke every body does it or tried it on a weekend or new years at partys cant really imagine what a regular meth bender looks like. All i can picture is breaking bad. Top 5 show of all time dont fuck with uncle jack.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 11:15 PM

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2018/03/19/la-cosa-nostra-drug-arrests/43861800
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/18 11:47 PM

Isnt Servidio a North Jersey guy? Upper Township is long way from Newark. Maybe he heard how good manco's & manco's pizza is?
Posted By: Stripes

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 12:03 AM

Yes he is North but was living down there
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Stripes
Yes he is North but was living down there
Thank you for all the credible info. Much appreciated.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 12:57 AM

Did a quick skin threw the comllaint its loading with lcn stuff. Theres more shit coming for them. Guess cs 1 is a made member in a different crew then the guy joe s. This guy poccolo is now where in tue indictment. Weird.....
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:07 AM

Lot of crazy talk..lot of conflicting talk to, they are told.not to do anything illegal, but then must get approval to do anything illegal, which is true, which isnt..my guess is the govt wants someone else, servidio,.to flip..from what i figure, the wired up rat isnt old guard, but that doesnt mean he didnt have access
.
Posted By: Sosueme123

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by pmac
stripes with the good call. sounds like they were selling pounds of meth to a wired up agent probaly on video to. hes fucked. im guessing hes related to scarfos uncles the piccolos. merlino must have okayed him. let bygones be bygones.

He’s also Wayne grandes former brother in law too
Posted By: Ravens410

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:24 AM

In the complaint Joey Electric refers to his capo as ‘the kid’. I can’t think of any capos that are on the younger side.
Posted By: Sonny_from_Peoria

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:08 AM

Isnt Joe Servidio part of Scoops Licata crew?
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:22 AM

So is fazzini the new capo? And why the article said nothing about Salvatore piccolo?
Posted By: Kash

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:25 AM

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Posted By: VitoSpatafore

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:27 AM

gotta be nicodemo?
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:29 AM

say the name mayonnaise face. im sure one of are posters will no. the fuck is 3rd degree murder. probaly narrows it down.
Posted By: Kash

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by pmac
say the name mayonnaise face. im sure one of are posters will no. the fuck is 3rd degree murder. probaly narrows it down.


Ya why not just say it? Mayoface such a prick
Posted By: Kash

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:35 AM

It’s gotta be Nicodemo right? He plead guilty to 3rd degree murder
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:37 AM

lil more reading he started copoperating after a staged armed robbery of a pawn shop in nj. and im guessing 3rd degree murder is like a manslaughter. this guys has a huge record. playing the guessing game doesnt didnt that guy fazzani punch someone to death? do a shitload of time.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:38 AM

Did u read the indictment? How the fuck could it be Nicodemo? You think they released him from jail to sell pills? Seems plausible right...Maynm

Maybe no one would notice
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:39 AM

Based on the priors it would be Fazzini
Posted By: Kash

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by VegasMikey
Did u read the indictment? How the fuck could it be Nicodemo? You think they released him from jail to sell pills? Seems plausible right...Maynm

Maybe no one would notice


Ha no. Just saw mayoface say 3rd degree murder and know Nicodemo copped to that.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:52 AM

got a furlough on the weekend go down the shore and sell some fake 30tys to the kids. lol. no one noticed.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:54 AM

more i read just sounds like the guy joey electric just dont give a fuck and like to sell drugs and make money. should have joined the bikers.
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:56 AM

That's how this shit starts
Small indictment

1-2 guys flip

1-2 guys lead to 1-2 more

Before you know it.....
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 04:41 AM

interesting. but to let the operation go on for almost 2 yrs when dudes are flooding that jersey turnpike with any thing thing could press in to a blue 30. how many people died off the fentanyl/meth pills. i used to dabble in the opiates for a short decade but it was when the docs up here was flooding the street. not vinny and his pill press. these dudes are done. lets see if joey electric stands tall. all these towns are pretty far away from south philly after looking on my google map. george might have his final book to write.
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 10:24 AM

I found this topic of a ghetto kinda funny. Because it came up in Sammys book. I think he was being debriefed or something and he described Bensenhurst as a ghetto. I think the response was something like, but you grew up middle class, in a decent neighborhood. Sammys respose always intrigued me..... He said the older guys taught you how to break the law, steal, be a criminal and if,that's not a ghetto, what is? ( I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it..)

Side note.... Had anyone heard of any of this type of activity from these guys? First Im Hearing about either these guys, or this big drug operation. Is this Mexican dope you guys think? Or is it an LCN based connection? Like the Gambinos?
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 10:29 AM

I thought meth/speed was big in Philly?
Posted By: CabriniGreen

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 10:31 AM

Never mind, pmac beat me to it....
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sonny_from_Peoria
Isnt Joe Servidio part of Scoops Licata crew?


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Yes Joe Electric is under Licata,the two associates Michael Gallicchio, 48, and Carl Chianese, 79 aren't listed here.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 11:27 AM

Philly Mob 1982

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Philly Mob 2016

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LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 12:48 PM

its not nicodemo, jesus guys been down almost 6 years, everyone wants to make him a rat..its not fazzini either..and i dont see who it is on any of the charts, my eyesight aint great, but i dont think i see him on this chart
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 12:51 PM

If this is the "big philly bust" everyone was talking about then at least a capo should have been busted right?
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:16 PM

feds start with this, bigfella, and then they see what happens from there..from the way this complaint reads..it aint ending here
Posted By: Sonny_from_Peoria

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:47 PM

I can't wait to see what becomes of Philly after some time passes with guys like Tony Nicodemo, Frankie Baldino, Dame Canalichio, Billy DePena, Nick Caltabiano, Michael Angelina.... Been wondering who Chris Nicodemo is to Tony would love to see this group of guys really do some good in Philly
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:48 PM

This is a rock solid case, all 3 will do heavy time. They have the capo on tape approving drug deals, he is fucked as well.
Is there 2 informants? The capo seems to live in or near atlantic city.
The first ( main informant) engaged in some sort of “ staged armed robbery” of a pawn shop. Do any made guys in philly own a pawn shop?

Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:50 PM

I would think Lou Fazzini is Capo he was groomed and is Dom DiNorscio the rat?
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:52 PM

not sure fazzini status, but he aint the capo in this paperwork...there are 2 informants spoken about in this criminal indictment, as well as the undercovers..there are a couple of more that flipped
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:54 PM

Dom is at least 5-10 years younger than fazzini. Dom is jackies son.
Posted By: Louiebynochi

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:56 PM

Wasn’t dom dinorscio convicted of wacking little Craig haddock
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:56 PM

Dom is at least 5-10 years younger than fazzini. Dom is jackies son. Thats not correct. Fazinni was groomed by Nicky O..
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 01:59 PM

i think louie may be alluding to the conviction as dom being the potential cooperating source..that is not the case though
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:01 PM

I didnt say dom was involved. I may be off on Doms age though. He may be closer in age to lou but he didnt groom him.
We talkin bout the same guy ( tommy )???
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:26 PM

sorry belmont, what i meant is lou alluded to doms conviction in the killing, as maybe it potentially being him, maybe he didnt mean that either, i just wanted to clarify to the board it isnt him. and yes we are on the same guy
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:29 PM

All good biggie. I just dont want some guy mistakingly being labled a rat.
I didnt know dom was indicted for murder? When was this?
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:44 PM

long time ago, over 20 years. and yes, thats why i was saying it aint dom, in case someone had the wrong impression..
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 02:49 PM

I know Lou did, but Dom killed someone? What exactly happened and how much time did he get? Was it a state bid?
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:08 PM

This Angie’s List review of Joey Electric’s legitimate Contracting company made me laugh:

https://www.angieslist.com/companylist/us/nj/nutley/bergen-essex-contractors-reviews-3750927.htm
Posted By: Kash

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
This Angie’s List review of Joey Electric’s legitimate Contracting company made me laugh:

https://www.angieslist.com/companylist/us/nj/nutley/bergen-essex-contractors-reviews-3750927.htm


Haha. I can only imagine. The guy probably called raising hell having no idea who he was talking to. You ain’t talking to the assistant manager at Best Buy bud
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 03:57 PM

the angies review hahah. sopranos 101. yae sounds like they have one of the capos placing orders for pills or atleast talking openingly anuff for some type of trouble. but it was only 300 hundred pills and there fake maybe they dont want to take that case. idk. joe s reads like a sleeper cell hitman. guy owns a handyman biz sells drugs then drives into philly does hits. him telling the fed he made his bones at 19 then the part were he drove to philly with that old guy to whack some other drug guy talking shit is probaly gonna get him life. the feds had to save his life someway withput compramising the opreation
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 04:01 PM

im guessing the pawn shop robbery was in north jersey since the newark office thought it wasnt a stagged robbery and thought cs-1 was lying. he seems to spend all his time in jersey.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 04:05 PM

the kid capo has to be the guy wayne grande who went with merlino to the genovese xmis party in the bronx. hes what like 36 yr old a kid in mob circles you think.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 04:06 PM

Hahahahhahaha im fucking dying over here. I have a contracting biz myself and find that fucking hysterical. I doubt Fazzini would be the informant but as stated he has a prior for murder or manslaughter right?
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 04:43 PM

Yeah Joey Electric’s Contracting company’s Angie’s List review had me dying!! They were probably some moron Middle America or even worse Southerner yuppies relocating here to North Jersey to commute into the city....
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 04:54 PM

Yes Fazzini stabbed a guy in Union City back in 1993 I wanna say...
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 05:16 PM

Honestly the pill thing was pretty sad. 10 dollars a unit for homemade ones? I had a friend I did time w who was huge into bitcoin and hacking....he scored big and bought litterally thousands of the fake 30s from China. They were fentanyl but looked very real and apparently got people very high but had a shorter half life. He was pushing them everywhere since he had tons and he sent a friend of mine like 2k of em. You couldnt really get them off as 30s on a large scale but if you would just level with people and tel them what they were you could get rid of them for like 6-8 each. I coulda had them for like 2-4 each. Anyway my friend ended up eating them himself and eventually died. He died with 100k worth of bitcoin on a zip drive when bitcoin was like @ 900 a unit. Guy would be a millionaire now easily. Anyway that shit is bad news. Just suprises me they sold the fakes for soo much and such poor quality
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 05:24 PM

Louis fazzini was released from prison in 2015
Posted By: strococs

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 05:37 PM

[quote=DanteMoltisanti]Yes Fazzini stabbed a guy in Union City back in 1993 I wanna say...[/quote

I don’t think he was convicted of 3rd degree murder though ,
Wasn’t it fazzini and Nicky O ( I forget his name ) who stabbed a guy , but wasn’t his making invalidated because of George freoslone , the guy lived from the stabbing


Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 06:30 PM

got to find that zip drive , vegas lol...and yes, this pill epidemic is fuckin terrible
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by strococs
[quote=DanteMoltisanti]Yes Fazzini stabbed a guy in Union City back in 1993 I wanna say...[/quote

I don’t think he was convicted of 3rd degree murder though ,
Wasn’t it fazzini and Nicky O ( I forget his name ) who stabbed a guy , but wasn’t his making invalidated because of George freoslone , the guy lived from the stabbing




You are talking about stev lenehan. Those 3 gave a guy a beating in Union.
Fazzini killed a kid in a fight. He actually felt very bad about it. He didnt wear it like a badge of honor. It actually fucked him up for a while. Fresolone had nothing to do with fazinni. Nicky O, to an extent.
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 06:51 PM

I just read that angies list review and im still on the floor laughing.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 07:17 PM

Hilarious
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 07:35 PM

Yeah you guys have the same sense of humor as me. When I read it I was laughing for almost twenty mins, had to share....
Posted By: Belmont

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 07:41 PM

Im just trying to picture the look mr and mrs “ i love diversity and everyone should get a trophy” had on their faces when he said that.. fuckin priceless !
P.s. im still laughing.,,
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by VegasMikey
Honestly the pill thing was pretty sad. 10 dollars a unit for homemade ones? I had a friend I did time w who was huge into bitcoin and hacking....he scored big and bought litterally thousands of the fake 30s from China. They were fentanyl but looked very real and apparently got people very high but had a shorter half life. He was pushing them everywhere since he had tons and he sent a friend of mine like 2k of em. You couldnt really get them off as 30s on a large scale but if you would just level with people and tel them what they were you could get rid of them for like 6-8 each. I coulda had them for like 2-4 each. Anyway my friend ended up eating them himself and eventually died. He died with 100k worth of bitcoin on a zip drive when bitcoin was like @ 900 a unit. Guy would be a millionaire now easily. Anyway that shit is bad news. Just suprises me they sold the fakes for soo much and such poor quality


Desperate guys to make cash and desperate junkies all the way to the house wife in the suburbs rapped up in that shit ....it’s all over the place.


But the made guys should know how hot you get and the time and how quick people rat to even think about getting in they have to be much further up the chain to be a little safer. Bad move.
Posted By: BensonHURST

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 09:08 PM

I cant see how they can even fight this case.

They have a made guy wearing a wire, they have a fed wearing a wire, and you have phone taps and video.

They have two options flip or take a plea deal.
Posted By: Pino

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/18 10:39 PM

Dom never had a murder case.... He never arrested for murder. He also probably the most true.blue dude around. To Be.honest.... he one of the old school guys ahe only 40 but all got respect for.him as if he OG
Posted By: Pino

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:09 AM

Shouldn't speculate shit like this.... Calling someone an informant is no small shit... Sal piccolo is.no rat.... He sat for 15 ... He'll so again
The informant is known.... It's.no secret. ..those who really knows these guys already know thee deal. ..
. Haven't seen his.name mentioned ONCE
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:17 AM

We know buddy
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:18 AM

Why don't you mention it
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:18 AM

Its not a guy you would google and find much
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:26 AM

Its not a guy you would google and find much
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:27 AM

I was asked not to
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 12:28 AM

Here we go initials are either AP or PA, that's all I can give you
Posted By: Biggie

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 01:11 AM

Pino, i agree..not a household name..not all these guys they are speculating on..and yes name i have never seen on boards
Posted By: Ravens410

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/21/18 01:51 AM

Everyone in this indictment are fucked. Selling heroin with fentanyl, they deserve everything they get.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 11:17 AM

The FBI’s recordings of this alleged N.J. mobster read like an episode of ‘The Sopranos’

https://www.nj.com/crime/2019/03/th...ead-like-an-episode-of-the-sopranos.html
Posted By: mikeyballs211

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Hollander
The FBI’s recordings of this alleged N.J. mobster read like an episode of ‘The Sopranos’

https://www.nj.com/crime/2019/03/th...ead-like-an-episode-of-the-sopranos.html



Hollander- good find, holy shit is he fucked lol... he admitted or bragged about like 4 different rico predicates and conspiracies.., if he doesnt plea out hell never see the streets again... short of the CW1 being in IsIS his own dumbass mouth cost him 20-30 yrs
Posted By: Shampoo

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Hollander
The FBI’s recordings of this alleged N.J. mobster read like an episode of ‘The Sopranos’

https://www.nj.com/crime/2019/03/th...ead-like-an-episode-of-the-sopranos.html


This dude is made in Philly and had a yearly goal of pulling down $250k. And he was selling meth, H, and robbing armored trucks to get there. I gotta say....if you are almost 60 years old, I’m not sure I’d risk a 20 year prison sentence over $250k a year. Is $250k on par with what most made guys in a town like Philly bring in? That just seems a little on the low side to me.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 12:09 PM

That's just the way they do in Philly.
Posted By: mikeyballs211

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
That's just the way they do in Philly.


When youre right youre right moe... altho some of the top guys like Mikey Lance, Uncle Joe, and Steve Mazzone seem to know not to literally detail ur crimes verbally outloud
Posted By: doggystyle

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Shampoo
Originally Posted by Hollander
The FBI’s recordings of this alleged N.J. mobster read like an episode of ‘The Sopranos’

https://www.nj.com/crime/2019/03/th...ead-like-an-episode-of-the-sopranos.html


This dude is made in Philly and had a yearly goal of pulling down $250k. And he was selling meth, H, and robbing armored trucks to get there. I gotta say....if you are almost 60 years old, I’m not sure I’d risk a 20 year prison sentence over $250k a year. Is $250k on par with what most made guys in a town like Philly bring in? That just seems a little on the low side to me.



Its still so unbelieveble to me, 250k a year for a LA COSA NOSTRA member in the US?! Its sooooo soo little its sick.. We see all these moveis about Mafia etc and for a mobster to make only 250k a year? Its fucking crazy. Yes its much money but not when you deal with all the shit he dealt with. He is supposed to make that in a month, in US? 300 million people.

Like i've said before its so crazy cause i know guys here in little fucking Sweden that makes those kind of money in like 5-6 months. And this mobster from the US had a goal of pulling down that in a year.

But i guess its like that. I have a friend over here he used to sell weed and coke by the gram here where i live. He went to some city in Texas and lived there for a year, he got new friends who dealt with drugs and he said to me when he came back that it was Wierd how little they made. He was like "I made more money here when i was 15".
Posted By: majicrat

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 04:34 PM

If Michael gallichio is related to the vailsburg gallichio’s in Newark then he’s got a very interesting bloodline. When the gallichio’s were active in the vailsburg section of Newark they were rumored to be so out of control and into drugs the families wanted nothing to do with them. Monkey gallichio and his family were a pretty tough rough crew. Anyone know if there’s a connection?
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 04:39 PM

I can live comfortably making 40k a yr but i dont have kids and thats just me. In taxachusetts. But i read the article seems like all the guys busted in the case are awaiting trial in a county jail that makes sense of them all being released from bop custody. That make a deal to plead guilty by the end of the month or go to trial. The guy AP will have to take the stand should be interesting. It will fill in a ton of blanks
Posted By: WhackWhack

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 06:07 PM

If you read the indictment the dude was running a business that lost money just for the IRS. He also had a new BMW and he even said he "liked to spend money". 250k a year for a soldier is big time. When that one acting boss flipped recently forget which one he guessed the average soldier made 50-60k a year so Joe Electric was actually doing very well.

what was sad was seeing that Carl guy, almost 80 years old pushing major weight. Will die in the can after just getting out. What was shocking was seeing how garbage the pressed 30s were. And then getting totally fake crystal. But then they eventually linked up right with the cartel and was getting literally Breaking Bad level meth.
Posted By: Shampoo

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by WhackWhack
If you read the indictment the dude was running a business that lost money just for the IRS. He also had a new BMW and he even said he "liked to spend money". 250k a year for a soldier is big time. When that one acting boss flipped recently forget which one he guessed the average soldier made 50-60k a year so Joe Electric was actually doing very well.

what was sad was seeing that Carl guy, almost 80 years old pushing major weight. Will die in the can after just getting out. What was shocking was seeing how garbage the pressed 30s were. And then getting totally fake crystal. But then they eventually linked up right with the cartel and was getting literally Breaking Bad level meth.



If the average soldier is making $50K-$60K, its no wonder the thing is allegedly on its last legs in the US. Risking long prison sentences for the same salary as an entry level sales job is beyond crazy.
Posted By: WhackWhack

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Shampoo
Originally Posted by WhackWhack
If you read the indictment the dude was running a business that lost money just for the IRS. He also had a new BMW and he even said he "liked to spend money". 250k a year for a soldier is big time. When that one acting boss flipped recently forget which one he guessed the average soldier made 50-60k a year so Joe Electric was actually doing very well.

what was sad was seeing that Carl guy, almost 80 years old pushing major weight. Will die in the can after just getting out. What was shocking was seeing how garbage the pressed 30s were. And then getting totally fake crystal. But then they eventually linked up right with the cartel and was getting literally Breaking Bad level meth.



If the average soldier is making $50K-$60K, its no wonder the thing is allegedly on its last legs in the US. Risking long prison sentences for the same salary as an entry level sales job is beyond crazy.


Well that info is also 10 years old so 50-60 grand in the mid-late 00s is probably in the high 5 figures today. And entry level jobs are not 50k a year. Minimum wage is like $10-11 now. Even a $20 a hour job which is def not entry level is only 40k a year and thats taxed to oblivion. There are also perks that come with a button...protection against other criminals....access to drug connects, mafia loan shark rates that you can juice up etc.
Posted By: njcapo35

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by majicrat
If Michael gallichio is related to the vailsburg gallichio’s in Newark then he’s got a very interesting bloodline. When the gallichio’s were active in the vailsburg section of Newark they were rumored to be so out of control and into drugs the families wanted nothing to do with them. Monkey gallichio and his family were a pretty tough rough crew. Anyone know if there’s a connection?



Yes, they are all related. Big drug dealing crew from back in the day. They were a farm team so to speak, just like the Campisi Family.
His uncle Gerry "The Boot" was a made member in the Sicilian mafia. Well respected family in Newark.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Shampoo
Originally Posted by WhackWhack
If you read the indictment the dude was running a business that lost money just for the IRS. He also had a new BMW and he even said he "liked to spend money". 250k a year for a soldier is big time. When that one acting boss flipped recently forget which one he guessed the average soldier made 50-60k a year so Joe Electric was actually doing very well.

what was sad was seeing that Carl guy, almost 80 years old pushing major weight. Will die in the can after just getting out. What was shocking was seeing how garbage the pressed 30s were. And then getting totally fake crystal. But then they eventually linked up right with the cartel and was getting literally Breaking Bad level meth.



If the average soldier is making $50K-$60K, its no wonder the thing is allegedly on its last legs in the US. Risking long prison sentences for the same salary as an entry level sales job is beyond crazy.


Al the big mafia movie are focused in the 1960s to 1970s era when the mob was more powerful and there was more opportunity to make money,now is different and anyway in oc groups there are members that made tons of $$$ and members that are broke. Not all made men are able to run a white collar racket but are street thugs that sell dope on the streets or break legs to the people that dont pay the vig.
The philly family in it some aspects is more like a little bit organizated street gang then a crime family.
Posted By: Shampoo

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/19/19 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by WhackWhack
Originally Posted by Shampoo
Originally Posted by WhackWhack
If you read the indictment the dude was running a business that lost money just for the IRS. He also had a new BMW and he even said he "liked to spend money". 250k a year for a soldier is big time. When that one acting boss flipped recently forget which one he guessed the average soldier made 50-60k a year so Joe Electric was actually doing very well.

what was sad was seeing that Carl guy, almost 80 years old pushing major weight. Will die in the can after just getting out. What was shocking was seeing how garbage the pressed 30s were. And then getting totally fake crystal. But then they eventually linked up right with the cartel and was getting literally Breaking Bad level meth.



If the average soldier is making $50K-$60K, its no wonder the thing is allegedly on its last legs in the US. Risking long prison sentences for the same salary as an entry level sales job is beyond crazy.


Well that info is also 10 years old so 50-60 grand in the mid-late 00s is probably in the high 5 figures today. And entry level jobs are not 50k a year. Minimum wage is like $10-11 now. Even a $20 a hour job which is def not entry level is only 40k a year and thats taxed to oblivion. There are also perks that come with a button...protection against other criminals....access to drug connects, mafia loan shark rates that you can juice up etc.


Yeah I didn’t say entry level job, I said entry level sales job. And has someone who worked in sales and has several friends that did the same, $50k is a pretty standard entry level expected salary/commission for a sales job.

And your math is way off. $50,000 in 2008 is roughly the equivalent of $59,000 in 2019.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 12:05 AM

the philly family is more stable today then its been since testa was blown up and scarfo made a deal with the devil. there reguly inducting new guys and have the respect of other families nation wide as we seen merlino going to genovese xmis parties.his guys having sitdowns in florida with joseph billotti, people say his guys meet in rhode island and boston with guys up there. thats far greater then any street gang stuff and you know its about making money
Posted By: WhackWhack

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Shampoo
Originally Posted by WhackWhack
Originally Posted by Shampoo
Originally Posted by WhackWhack
If you read the indictment the dude was running a business that lost money just for the IRS. He also had a new BMW and he even said he "liked to spend money". 250k a year for a soldier is big time. When that one acting boss flipped recently forget which one he guessed the average soldier made 50-60k a year so Joe Electric was actually doing very well.

what was sad was seeing that Carl guy, almost 80 years old pushing major weight. Will die in the can after just getting out. What was shocking was seeing how garbage the pressed 30s were. And then getting totally fake crystal. But then they eventually linked up right with the cartel and was getting literally Breaking Bad level meth.



If the average soldier is making $50K-$60K, its no wonder the thing is allegedly on its last legs in the US. Risking long prison sentences for the same salary as an entry level sales job is beyond crazy.


Well that info is also 10 years old so 50-60 grand in the mid-late 00s is probably in the high 5 figures today. And entry level jobs are not 50k a year. Minimum wage is like $10-11 now. Even a $20 a hour job which is def not entry level is only 40k a year and thats taxed to oblivion. There are also perks that come with a button...protection against other criminals....access to drug connects, mafia loan shark rates that you can juice up etc.


Yeah I didn’t say entry level job, I said entry level sales job. And has someone who worked in sales and has several friends that did the same, $50k is a pretty standard entry level expected salary/commission for a sales job.

And your math is way off. $50,000 in 2008 is roughly the equivalent of $59,000 in 2019.


It was little Joe deFede who said it.

" While testifying against Gambino crime family boss Peter Gotti, DeFede exclaimed that all he made during his reign as acting boss was $1,014,000, or approximately $250,000 per year. DeFede also estimated that a low ranking family soldier would make on average $50,000 per year"

Peter Gotti trial was early 00s, and he DeFede said low ranking soldier would average 50k.In 2004 50k is equal to 67k now. And not every mafia soldier can be a salesman.

Nearly 70k a year for a low ranking soldier tax free is not chump change. The people who get into Cosa nostra are not college graduates who have great people skills for the most part. Average person without a degree is making ~30k a year. Over double that is Pretty hefty.
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by doggystyle

Its still so unbelieveble to me, 250k a year for a LA COSA NOSTRA member in the US?! Its sooooo soo little its sick.. We see all these moveis about Mafia etc and for a mobster to make only 250k a year? Its fucking crazy. Yes its much money but not when you deal with all the shit he dealt with. He is supposed to make that in a month, in US? 300 million people.


You serious? That's a lot of money for a made guy to be pulling in, especially in this day and age. I believe it was Tommy Del who said something like, "If we had 60 guys in our outfit, 40 of them were always broke."
Posted By: PhillyGuys

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 02:14 AM

They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.
Posted By: Jshov31

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Just the mention of Sarcone’s gives me goosebumps. I can close my eyes and still smell the bread. Fucking incredible. That’s my biggest issue with moving to Florida. Shitty sandwiches and even shittier pizza. Great broads though smile
Posted By: Shampoo

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 04:28 AM

I think Sammy Gravano said he was making $2-$3 million per year once Gotti took over and that Gotti was pulling down around $15-$20 million. And that’s the mid 80s to early 90s.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


You guys need to see the cars the Philly guys drive the kind of money they spend out and about, I’ll second that. Yes, Angelo’s Pizza is amazing by Philly Pizza standards and Faffy is always there. Getting close to summer here at the Jersey Shore.....
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 04:34 PM

Guys have always made as little as say 20,000 a year and others 20 million, it’s just like i your life guys are capable and have sharpe minds and mingle well with upper class they are going to be able to make more .

Can you imagine a guy with a fifth or sixth grade education trying to hold conversation with high level billion dollar construction CEO discussing details other then cash , they would be lost....it’s has happened but as a rule you use the guy with the brains .


Skinny when he got out this last time was living like someone making a million a year easy ..... unless everyone was giving him everything and that’s not the case he is spending cash .

His gambling alone has to be a couple hundred thousand......

It’s just who you are if you hustle for 20G a year or you operate smooth and rake in 5mill.
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 04:58 PM

Hi
Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


You guys need to see the cars the Philly guys drive the kind of money they spend out and about, I’ll second that. Yes, Angelo’s Pizza is amazing by Philly Pizza standards and Faffy is always there. Getting close to summer here at the Jersey Shore.....

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


You guys need to see the cars the Philly guys drive the kind of money they spend out and about, I’ll second that. Yes, Angelo’s Pizza is amazing by Philly Pizza standards and Faffy is always there. Getting close to summer here at the Jersey Shore.....


What kind of cars are they driving? Nicodemo was driving a Honda and he was supposed to be a heavy hitter. Aside from Grande who has a BMW none of these guys are driving around South Philly in expensive luxury cars to my knowledge. This isn’t like 30 years ago, now they all have to be low key and if they are making good cash can’t spend it or they will attract attention.

I look on social media since I’m a friend or follower of many of the guys who are hanger ons of these guys and it looks to me like they are living life much better because they have legit jobs and if they are doing anything it’s on such a small scale. These guys are all over social media, posting expensive shoes they bought, jewelry, vacations, cars they can justify buying... it seems to me crone does not pay just to have respect within a few square miles of the city.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 05:27 PM

I’m not trying to defend these guys but you’re wrong. They’re spending tons of money.

They’re living very well. I can tell u haven’t seen these guys out and about in South Philly or the Shore. The houses they have at the shore alone are themselves over 60k a year in payments. Even some of the younger hanger ons like Mikey Emma Jr are driving a nice whip. We can agree to disagree on this one.....
Posted By: Barracuda

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 06:08 PM

Yeah I agree everyone of them guys I see around are driving around in a pretty high end cars and seem very well off...ive heard Marty Angelina is driving around town in an 100k Mercedes.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/20/19 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Barracuda
Yeah I agree everyone of them guys I see around are driving around in a pretty high end cars and seem very well off...ive heard Marty Angelina is driving around town in an 100k Mercedes.


Yep , Marty is rolling around in 100k Mercedes and bought very high end new build expensive townhouse in South Philly by the Golf Course I’ve been told as well.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/22/19 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jshov31
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Just the mention of Sarcone’s gives me goosebumps. I can close my eyes and still smell the bread. Fucking incredible. That’s my biggest issue with moving to Florida. Shitty sandwiches and even shittier pizza. Great broads though smile


You like them eighty something retired Jew broads, huh?
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/22/19 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by Jshov31
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Just the mention of Sarcone’s gives me goosebumps. I can close my eyes and still smell the bread. Fucking incredible. That’s my biggest issue with moving to Florida. Shitty sandwiches and even shittier pizza. Great broads though smile


You like them eighty something retired Jew broads, huh?


Moe you don’t know shit about America, stick to your parents basement in Ireland. South Florida has some of the hottest Latina, South American, and European broads in the world! Miami is an international city.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/22/19 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by Jshov31
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Just the mention of Sarcone’s gives me goosebumps. I can close my eyes and still smell the bread. Fucking incredible. That’s my biggest issue with moving to Florida. Shitty sandwiches and even shittier pizza. Great broads though smile


You like them eighty something retired Jew broads, huh?


Moe you don’t know shit about America, stick to your parents basement in Ireland. South Florida has some of the hottest Latina, South American, and European broads in the world! Miami is an international city.


I was clearly joking. As anyone with an IQ above double digits could tell.
Posted By: Jshov31

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/23/19 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by Jshov31
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Just the mention of Sarcone’s gives me goosebumps. I can close my eyes and still smell the bread. Fucking incredible. That’s my biggest issue with moving to Florida. Shitty sandwiches and even shittier pizza. Great broads though smile


You like them eighty something retired Jew broads, huh?


Some of them old Jew broads are smoking Moe!!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: Philly family present day scale - 03/23/19 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Jshov31
Originally Posted by Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted by Jshov31
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Just the mention of Sarcone’s gives me goosebumps. I can close my eyes and still smell the bread. Fucking incredible. That’s my biggest issue with moving to Florida. Shitty sandwiches and even shittier pizza. Great broads though smile


You like them eighty something retired Jew broads, huh?


Some of them old Jew broads are smoking Moe!!


I know. I can't wait to take one home to my parents basement. Bow chick a wow wow.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Had the Drunken Cutlet Sandwich last night at Angelo’s Pizzeria....Fucking Amazing
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 02:48 AM

I visited family in Philly and I tried to visit south Philly, had no idea how far it was
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 03:24 PM

Who are the Philly capo's today?
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by thebigfella
Who are the Philly capo's today?


The Servidio indictment mentions three capos: Persiano's capo (Dominic Grande), Servidio's capo (likely still Joseph Licata) and a third capo involved in making sure Persiano and Servidio were kicking up tribute while working together as they were from different crews.

When reporting on recent grand jury subpoenas, Dave Schratwieser identified both Martin Angelina and John Ciancaglini as capos, though (as Schratwieser and Anastasia admit) it's not an 'exact science' when talking about the structure of the family since the 2011 indictments.

Anastasia and Schratwieser describe hearing that George Borgesi is involved in only legitimate businesses and 'off the totem pole', but different people come up with different answers. I recently asked Scott Burnstein what his view of the hierarchy was and he identified Grande, Licata, Angelina, Borgesi, Phillip Narducci and Joseph Pungitore as the current capos.

Schratwieser said recently that the next Mob Talk would cover big news about one of the inner circle guys, so maybe that will shred light on it
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 06:27 PM

I really don’t think Joe Pung and Narducci have anything to do with Philly LCN. Just my guess from what I have seen and heard, could be wrong....
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 07:05 PM

I would personally be hesitant to carry Pungitore and Narducci (or Borgesi as well for that matter) as capos unless Anastasia, Schratwieser or law enforcement identified them as such. Just relaying what Scott told me
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 09:16 PM

2cents weve found out narducci is still loan out money which he recently plead guilty to. If hes retired and the rest of the family in philly knows he doing and not kicking up a thing 500 at xmis or a free steak dinner its like a slap in the face to them. I dont know if hes a capo but he must be semi active in the family.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/02/19 09:55 PM

Right on Pmac

There is always a chance that Skinny has let the family fall that far , but from the looks of things and the size and scope of there earning area I don’t think he only has a few skippers .

And if he is letting retired guys earn and not kick he has lost that family and they are more like a gang.

These guys are doing pretty good just being legitimate .....fucken pretty hard to spend a bunch of years in the joint and come out to a shit ton of cash and a beach house and not have anything to do with the family.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/03/19 12:13 AM

MayoFace is reporting on Instagram that the FBI recently visited a Philly Wiseguy and an Associate to urge them to cooperate regarding a murder.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/03/19 12:48 AM

Phillys admin is tight and I don't think they would be making guys left and right and not care about things like that, I say he's kicking
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/03/19 01:29 AM

joeys was giving interviews to george saying he was retired ,then hes up in the bronx at genovese xmis party. there giving him a piece of there pie, guys whacked a snitch during uncle joes trial. that guy joe electric talking about eveeryones kick up the money goes up. whether its gift cards to the restaurant or free meals i bet he does something.
Posted By: T_Manero

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/03/19 02:54 AM

Cherry Hill has always been a town w/ mobsters. Before South Philly families moved to Washington Township/ Sewell area, they were moving to Cherry Hill. It's even one of the first few towns in America to have an Organized Crime division in a township Police department (division since closed). Lots of South Philly mobsters lived there and conducted business in town...and of course the "Cherry Hill Gambino crew" which was part of NYC Gambino family were doing the same. Also, "Cherry Hill Fats" was a notorious mob associate/con artist who has a book written about him, Stanfa bodyguard Vince Fillipelli lives there, John Alite and some members of his crew lived and operated in town after relocating from Queens NYC. Cherry Hill was such a happening town, till 1976 when Atlantic City legalized gambling and people started going elsewhere for entertainment, that celebrities lived in town...including Muhammad Ali, Frankie Avalon, Pro-athletes, etc
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/03/19 04:43 PM

Big Vince Filipelli is still in Cherry Hill and active in Cherry Hill. Borgesi lived in Cherry Hill pre early 2000s indictment.

Lots of Jews in Cherry Hill too.
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/03/19 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by flamingokid123
Uncle Joe's 80th birthday. They are having a party a memories 2morrow.



Dam shit don’t stay quiet a week and everyone knows and you wonder how Feds know the Boss through skippers in a week.

Nothing against you flamingo ..... just saying I got three calls about it last week....and yeah that kind of notice the Feds will have a good time.
Posted By: PhillyGuys

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/05/19 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by DanteMoltisanti
Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
They "making 50k" cause they want they envelopes going upstairs to seem fair. Not the case. I seen guys in Philly spend more a year on pussy and cigarettes. Everyone go to 9th and Fitzwater and check out best pizza spot in South Philly at Angelos Pizza. Faffys son in law Dannys spot in the old Sarcones Deli. He was in Haddonfield but moved to Italian Market. The best you ever seen.


Had the Drunken Cutlet Sandwich last night at Angelo’s Pizzeria....Fucking Amazing


The best
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/05/19 08:21 PM

How was the party?
Posted By: PhillyGuys

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/05/19 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by thebigfella
How was the party?


Fun. Not smart. Feds and prob Fox 29 outside. Everybody showed up in one spot.
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 08/06/19 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by PhillyGuys
Originally Posted by thebigfella
How was the party?


Fun. Not smart. Feds and prob Fox 29 outside. Everybody showed up in one spot.


Yeah the whole Philly family in one spot here at the shore.

Mayo Face had a missile in his pants outside of Memories in his van filming them
Posted By: ohmy

Re: Philly family present day scale - 09/12/19 08:12 PM

The "made guy" is Anthony Persiano the RAT. SCUMBAG
Posted By: ohmy

Re: Philly family present day scale - 09/12/19 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by thebigfella
Do you at least have 1 name?


ANTHONY PERSIANO
Posted By: DanteMoltisanti

Re: Philly family present day scale - 09/12/19 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by ohmy
Originally Posted by thebigfella
Do you at least have 1 name?


ANTHONY PERSIANO


Whose running Valentina’s now these days since AP Skipped town?
Posted By: ohmy

Re: Philly family present day scale - 09/20/19 05:08 PM

his wifey, and someone should investigate where the monies came from to open that restaurant.....
Posted By: ohmy

Re: Philly family present day scale - 09/20/19 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by chin_gigante
Originally Posted by thebigfella
Who are the Philly capo's today?


The Servidio indictment mentions three capos: Persiano's capo (Dominic Grande), Servidio's capo (likely still Joseph Licata) and a third capo involved in making sure Persiano and Servidio were kicking up tribute while working together as they were from different crews.

When reporting on recent grand jury subpoenas, Dave Schratwieser identified both Martin Angelina and John Ciancaglini as capos, though (as Schratwieser and Anastasia admit) it's not an 'exact science' when talking about the structure of the family since the 2011 indictments.

Anastasia and Schratwieser describe hearing that George Borgesi is involved in only legitimate businesses and 'off the totem pole', but different people come up with different answers. I recently asked Scott Burnstein what his view of the hierarchy was and he identified Grande, Licata, Angelina, Borgesi, Phillip Narducci and Joseph Pungitore as the current capos.

Schratwieser said recently that the next Mob Talk would cover big news about one of the inner circle guys, so maybe that will shred light on it


I feel bad for these Philly guys - they let the scum Persiano in and look what happened.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Philly family present day scale - 09/21/19 10:00 AM

https://gangsterreport.com/making-i...wedding-wasnt-what-it-seemed-feds-think/

THE BOOKS: PHILLY MAFIA FIGURE’S 2010 WEDDING WASN’T WHAT IT SEEMED FEDS SUSPECT

Scott Burnstein


September 21, 2019 — The FBI believes Philadelphia mobster Anthony Staino’s 2010 wedding doubled as an induction ceremony for new members of the Bruno-Scarfo crime family, part of a pattern by the organization in the past two decades of holding “making” rituals at public social gatherings, such as wedding nuptials, christenings and birthday and anniversary parties, per the most recent Mob Talk Sit Down episode on YouTube. The ceremonies are “pop-up style,” held in private rooms away from the other guests.

The 62-year old Staino just got released in the spring from doing a half-dozen years in federal prison for racketeering. Polished and business-minded, Staino climbed through the ranks of the Philly mafia in the 2000s, going from associate to soldier to capo to the storied syndicate’s “CFO” and No. 2 in charge. What exact position, if any, Staino holds today is unknown. He was indicted in 2011 and pleaded guilty in 2013.

Mob Talk Sit Down is hosted by legendary Philadelphia crime reporters Dave Schratwieser and George Anastasia. Nine years ago, Anastasia broke the news that the FBI had subpoenaed photos of Staino’s wedding held at The Atrium in the Curtis Center on the evening of September 11, 2010 and attended by the Philly mob’s then acting boss Joseph (Uncle Joe) Ligambi and most of the Bruno-Scarfo clan. The feds think Ligambi held a makeshift making ceremony that night somewhere on the property. Staino was mentored in the mafia by Ligambi, who recently hung up his gangland spurs and retired.

Up until last month, Ligambi had helmed the mafia in Philadelphia on a day-to-day basis for the majority of the past 20 years on behalf of Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino. The sly, fashion conscious 57-year old Skinny Joey is set to be released from a short prison stay for a gambling offense next week. Merlino has lived in Florida since 2011 however returns to South Philly often to tend to his shop.

Schratwieser and Anastasia have been told that close to 20 buttons have been given out in the last 18 years. Gangster Report broke the news of a 2015 making ceremony conducted by Merlino and Ligambi in order to beef up then capo George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi’s crew. Borgesi, 55, allegedly has replaced the low key, highly-respected Ligambi as Merlino’s acting boss. Ligambi’s is Borgesi’s actual uncle, his mother’s brother.

Ligambi was made in 1986. Merlino got straightened out in 1992 and then in the wake of winning a shooting war for power in the crime family, inducted Borgesi and a group of loyalists that have long made up his inner circle.

Borgesi was Merlino’s consigliere before they both were busted for racketeering in 2000 and sent to prison. Sources claim Ligambi made Staino in the early 2000s. Ligambi and two of his subordinates (New Jersey crew boss Joe “Scoops” Licata and Licata’s protege “Big Lou” Fazzini) we’re caught on an FBI wire discussing a late 2000s induction ceremony while lunching with a wired-up New York gangster at an Italian restaurant in Jersey.
Posted By: mchang93

Re: Philly family present day scale - 11/12/19 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by pmac
My guess probaly 25 made guys in philly 10 in new jersey active? There was only like 4 capo when scarfo was at his peak in 1985. There was only 2 in philly then 1 in north jersey and that guy santo idone who had 1 soldier. Id bet theres probaly 3 4 tops capos. To many chiefs not anuff indians.

The Old Man may have had one soldier but half the Chester underworld was associated with him.
Posted By: mchang93

Re: Philly family present day scale - 11/12/19 09:24 PM

He wasn't real close with Scarfo(they were close but not like Scarfo and Merlinos once were) and because of his more old fashoined way of doing things and his guys being from.Chester and other parts of delco Scarfo wasnt making guys for him. Had he they would still have a crew in Chester today but when The Old Man died his associates who made good money for family went there own way and a few are still around making money.
Posted By: AlanR

Re: Philly family present day scale - 11/12/19 10:25 PM

I know a guy who’s almost on the inside and a few guys in his blood family were big guys. He says Philadelphia is on par with Colombo’s, they don’t have many made guys and don’t make a lot of money.
Posted By: chin_gigante

Re: Philly family present day scale - 11/13/19 09:22 AM

Colombos are much bigger than Phiadelphi still. Philadelphia only has around 25 to 30 active members
Posted By: Serpiente

Re: Philly family present day scale - 11/13/19 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by chin_gigante
Colombos are much bigger than Phiadelphi still. Philadelphia only has around 25 to 30 active members

Easy , and still in unions and much more they are cruising right along and have found a way to vent there made guys so it’s not easy to rat.

Telling you they are or have changed the way information is shared so if someone flips they can only hurt a very small part of business.
Posted By: AlanR

Re: Philly family present day scale - 11/13/19 11:39 AM

Listen to this, I’m not name dropping but Joey Merlino & a Made Guy In the Gambino Family whos name Im not gonna say got into a heated argument last year. And I was also told Philly ain’t as demanding as the 5 families to get made.
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