Lucchese Family administration

Boss: Vic Amuso

Acting Boss: Matthew Madonna

Acting Street Boss: ?

Underboss: Steve Crea

Acting Underboss: ?

Consigliere: Joseph DiNapoli

Acting Consigliere: ?

7 members of the Lucchese administration with half of them in prison. They are starting to look like the "top heavy" Colombo family.

Vic, Matty and Joey should retire because they are all in prison and in their 80's. They ain't doing the Luccheses any favors by holding onto power.

I wonder who represents them on the streets?

What do you mean top-heavy? There are still a vast amount of soldiers and capos beneath them.

The Colombo's have a boss, acting boss, street boss, underboss, acting underboss and consigliere all for a family of 85 made members.

amsuo will pick a prison buddy. that guy wi;; pick the new acting bosses. crea and his kid are going to get alot of time. maybe sal avellino comes out of retirement. or that guy bowatt.

Oh, I see. Too many admin members got it. On the streets, however, the Colombos just have a street boss and underboss right?

Avellino is 82 years old and Bowat is 77 years old. People forget these guys aren't gangsters anymore, they are fucking old men (picture old men with walking sticks, motorized scooters and living in retirement homes)

And a consigliere. Those three have got to report to the three jail birds - Carmine, Allie Boy and Sonny.

3 guys on the street running things plus taking orders from their jail bird bosses. Must get real fucking chaotic at times with the back and forth communications considering it is difficult getting messages in and out of prison I'd imagine.

If you're talking about Sonny Franzese, he's been out for about a year now and I doubt anyone's getting his permission on things.

As for Carmine and Allie: I don't think Andy Russo or whoever is in charge is going back and forth to either of them. The 2011 bust proves that, in any capacity, Andy Russo and his admin (Sonny Franzese then Ben Castellazzo, and Richie Fusco) were running things independently, settling sitdowns on their own, and inducting guys on their own. For example, a list of proposed members might be passed to Carmine, but a guard or somebody on the inside would have to be behind something like that. And that's a big risk considering Carmine is trying to get paroled. As well as this, Carmine has been behind bars since 1986 - I doubt he has anything to say about the guys recently getting inducted.
For Little Allie Boy it's a bit more uncertain as to how much of a role he plays today but it is confirmed that he was behind Ralph DeLeo being put in as acting boss/street boss. I'd say him and Carmine probably choose whose in charge on the streets and it's up to that person to decide how things are run.

Also, acting underboss Donnie Montemarano is back in LA I think. His role was only interim until the other guys got recently. Andy Russo's got no risk of violating supervised release since those restrictions are over, and Ben Castellazzo has (as of this year) been allowed back into New York (he was barred from travelling to NY for three years following his release from prison).
Tom Farese's short reign as "acting consigliere" ended when he was indicted (even though he was acquitted) since he moved back down to Florida after that.


Any thoughts on who is consig nowadays? Or maybe this topic should go back to being about the Luccheses...

Ah that is right, I forgot Sonny got paroled.

Yeah I guess that makes sense that Carmine and Allie choose who is running things on the streets and the guys they choose on the streets take care of everything.

I don't have that much knowledge on the Colombo family guys so I can't even take a guess who is the consig nowadays.

Some thoughts:
Fat Dennis DeLucia, 76y - Capo as of 2011
Ralph 'the Old Man' Lombardo, 86y - Capo as 2011, Acting consig from 2000-2003, Ruling Panel from 1996-2000
Joseph Baudanza, 73y - Capo as of 2006/2007, Ruling Panel member from 1993-1994
Sonny Franzese, 100y - You never know, he was active recently and seems to be in alright health. I know I said before that nobody was taking orders from him, which I still believe to be true, but he could possibly be consigliere.
Nicky Rizzo, 90y - Racked up his first ever arrest in 2011, referred to by Capeci as a "feared and respected Colombo wiseguy." Very low-key, under-the-radar type guy.

@NickyfromTampa - I can't quote your post for some unknown reason.

Joseph Baudanza looks like the most likely candidate from that list due to his younger age and credentials.

I forgot about Vincent 'Three Fingers' Ricciardo, 72y, a Long Island capo as of 2004, who was the representative and controller of the family's construction interests while Tom Petrizzo was shelved in the 1990s. Ricciardo, also known as 'Vinny Unions,' was viewed highly by John DeRoss and attended meetings with Genovese family constructions bigwigs, including Louis Moscatiello.

With a nickname like "Vinny Unions" I guess he has good influence in the construction unions. I didn't know the Colombos still have their hands in construction.

May be that guy could be the consig because the construction unions are a big money maker.

Tom Petrizzo was an enormous player in construction and was confirmed as the Colombo family's representative in construction and union rackets, but was shelved for supporting Vic Orena in the conflict. So post-1993, after his acquittal, he was shelved. This is probably around the time that Vinny Unions took control of the rackets, and he was later confirmed as the Colombo family's construction/unions representative. He was indicted in 2003 and spent around five years in prison, and Tom Petrizzo was brought back into the fold and got some rackets going, as well as Ralph Scopo Jr. My knowledge on that is a bit murky so I'd have to do some research.

As far as I remember back in the late 90's Nicky didn't hold much weight at all when Wild Bill was around.

Power Shifts however, he was referred to as the "OLD GUY" and that is going back 20+ years ago.

I cannot see him holding any sort of admin position.

He never made it to CAPO

Also, you guys have to remember, in LCN just like in the rest of the world the power comes from wealth and a lot of these old guys are wealthy.

At their advanced age they are not spear haeding major rackets however, they are getting a piece from the guys on the ground that are using their MONEY, POWER and INFLUENCE...

I don't think Nicky Rizzo ever really wanted to be a capo. He has never been in any sophisticated scams, just shylocking. With that being said, the guy is extremely good at what he does. Didn't get a single arrest in his career until the ripe old age of 84, even though he has been a made guy since 1978. Rizzo has, over the years, owned a gas station, used car lot, pizza parlor, social clubs, and a general contracting business. His general contracting business, as a favor to Bonanno soldier Johnny Faraci, employed future bigtime Bonanno Zips Baldo Amato and Cesare Bonventre.

Rizzo has been a longtime member of the Russo crew, which was formerly run by last-known street boss Andy Russo, and is currently run by Russo's son Billy. Rizzo knows Andy Mush well, given the fact that Rizzo was able to extort $15,000 from Joe Caves Competiello in 1996. Competiello was attacked by a Rizzo underling over a debt, but Competiello grabbed the bat and beat the perpetrator pretty bad. Rizzo was able to call on Andy Mush (who was then the family's acting boss) to lean on Competiello to pay the kid's medical expenses.

Yes, he had the Pizzera on 18th and 85th street, with Sunny..

He represented me and my ex partner on a wall street beef we had
We initially won and then when Wild Bill got involved we ended up losing...

He took all the money
Wild Bill had alot of power back then
Thats why they whacked him.

Nicky was ok to deal with.
He was ok to deal with
Didn't have the "YOU KNOW WHO I AM" chip on his shoulder.

Joe Caves never ever thought that guy would flip
He was bad to the bone...

He was a real scumbag

He would run around the neighborhood stabbing people up if someone said they were a rat...
And look what he did

Hey Bensonhurst, you seem to have a lot of knowledge about this stuff. If you don't mind me asking, what connection do you have with the mob?

Do you think they have made new guys or are the fading away?

They have almost certainly made new guys. The 2011 indictment showed they were doing a making ceremony every year. There are also dozens of young Italian associates that are potential candidates.

I grew up all around it

Was involved here and there

If you watched JG jr's interview when he is describing the old neighborhood he was spot on

It was all around a club on every other corner

If you lived in Bensonhurst you more than likely were Italian, you more than likely had a big family and your more than likely had an uncle, cousin, brother, in-law, neighbor etc...Someone that was someone... Or worse case you knew someone that knew someone...

It was just part of your every day life

There was a part of that life that was really cool to be around

As I got older I also seen the other part of it, the lives that were ruined, the families that were destroyed, guys getting 10, 20 30 years, good guys getting jammed up ratting and having to move away...
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I personally know three guys that have been made and for whatever the reason are not on these lists that I see on here.

My opinion is that it is not dead, I do not see it ever being dead...
It is no where near what it used to be and never will be anything to close to that...

Alot of these guys are making money from legit businesses now

The social clubs are few and far in between
They are not running around the town like they are Royalty

Where do you guys get all of the information that you get to make these lists?

From reading indictments??

Indictments, FBI reports, news articles & GL news, mob turncoats.
Who else do you have as "made members?"

WOW amazing you can get all that info and piece it together like that...

Sorry, these guys I know personally and see from time to time if It got back that i was on here giving out personal info like that
They would have every right to be upset with me and these guys could tend to be not so nice if they are pissed at you...

3 Guys listed on a couple of the lists that I have seen on here actually it is 4 now that I think of it.

3 from the family wild bill was associated with and one from the one Casso was

All the info you had I was going to ask you if you were from around here originally

That's fair enough that you don't want to name their names. I am not from NY originally but I have lived there some of my life.

What street are you from?

We had a lot of this "involved" guys around these forums.

Only real insider was Kenji Gallo(he was associate,Colombo),back on RealDeal while it existed.

70th Street and 16th ave
18th ave and 81st Street

Anything still going on down in Tampa?

is that by frank and sal

Not really. Gambinos took over the Trafficante remnants in the mid-2000s but they've mostly died out I think.

LOL you know Farnk and Sal

Really sad they were one of the last corner stones in the neighborhood and they like everyone else gone.

Used to go to them every week

Good ole days

Rispoli Ices
Tony's luncheonette

Richie's club on the next block

The Mini-Deli

Satellite Park

You from around there?
Bronx

Nicki any Italians left in Tampa?

Not really in the city anymore. Suburbs there are a few, but not a sizeable enough amount to house a Mafia family or any decent-sized crew.

The last Italian ghetto is Staten Island and maybe parts of N.J. on a smaller scale.

What about Howard Beach and Ozone Park? They're gone too?

Just some food for thought, population doesn't necessarily mean numbers in terms of mobsters. Sure it's usually the case like in new York, but then you got places like Scranton-pittston with a decent amount of Italians but by no means tons of them, and they had a powerful family. Meanwhile you got places like Argentina or Sao Paulo in Brazil which has millions of Italians that started coming at the end of the 1800's, but no real Italian mob families, except maybe a little, more recent ndrangheta activity. It's more about their surroundings and what part of Italy they are from. Most Italian Argentines were from the north, so that could explain it. Places like Pittston, Tampa, new Orleans, st Louis, ect have smaller Italian populations, but they were mostly Sicilian, hence why there were families. I'm not saying all sicilians are mobsters, but they are more often in the mob than northerners.

Not really sure about the Bronx
But Brooklyn, Queens you still have Italians the percentage In am not sure

But very low

Remember I am co.paring to a time when everyone was Italian
Lol even the people that weren't officially they wanted to be so bad that they blended in

Moscone

Good point
Makes sense

I am Sicilian and it is kinda need into you
Not that much different from a Pitpull being bred to be a pitbull.

Alot had to do with the era
The general mis trust of the gov't back home.

They took all that here kinda transported it.

Back then it you called the cops doe anytjing even civilians were looked down on and given a very hard time by everyone in the neighborhood

Not that way really anymore

Does Scranton have a large Italian population?

Tony's luncheonette and Richie's club B'hurst?

According to the NIAF there was 161, 000 Italians in Tampa/St. Pete in 1990. Nicky can you please provide proof that there is not a sizable Italian population there or why those numbers would then lead you to believe a crew could not exist. Not saying your wrong, just you said there is not many Italians, which is shown by the NIAF to not be the case. Thanks ahead.

In 2000

http://www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/italian-american-populations-in-select-u-s-counties/

So Hillsborough and Pinellas still collectively had over 140k Italians.

I will preface this by saying I don't live in Tampa anymore, I lived there 15 years, give or take and I last visited in 2016. I don't want to say where I live now online.

I calculated according to Wikipedia in 2010:
Pinellas County: 6.2% of total population
Hillborough County: 4.7% of total population

There is also less Italian culture in Tampa nowadays when compared to New York, Jersey, Buffalo, etc. East Ybor was a minor exception to that rule from what I can remember.
Also, I asked a friend who lives in Hernando Beach which I think is officially part of the Tampa Metro who says that Italian culture is still "alive and well in Hernando, but nothing like back in Jersey."

So basically we are to believe numbers from an internet website that allows everyone to edit, and if we were to believe it then that would bring the Italian population in Tampa Bay Metro to 100k, which would be sufficient for a "decent sized" Mafia crew, if we used population as metrics and then we are suppose to believe a guy from Hernando Beach which is actually 50 miles from Tampa that the Italian culture there is alive and well? Im not being sarcastic, Im just hoping you can cite some more credible sources.

The info is from the 2010 census, it is sourced. There are a bunch of sources out there on the Italian-American population from the census. This is not a "secret society," this is simple demographics.

According to this website, https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Florida/Ancestry, 6.22% of people in Hillsborough County are of Italian ancestry, and Pinellas is 8.49%. In New York, 32.3% percent of Richmond/Staten Island are of Italian ancestry. 27.4% of the population in Suffolk County are of Italian ancestry. Nassau County is 21.5%. Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn are all around 6%, but most wiseguys don't live in the urban centers anymore.

Another good way to look at how prominent Italian culture plays a part in Tampa would be to look at the Italian-speaking population. In Hillsborough County, 0.1% of people speak Italian at home, and in Pasco county it is 0.3% https://statisticalatlas.com/United-States/Overview.
In New York, for comparison, 2.60% of people speak Italian at home in Staten Island, 1.04% in Brooklyn, 1.21% in Queens, 0.64% in Manhattan. In Westchester it is 2.23%, Nassau is 1.87%, Suffolk is 1.11%.
So, even though Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan have roughly the same or slightly less Italian-Americans/Americans of Italian ancestry as Hillsborough and Pinellas, about 6-10 times as many people speak Italian at home. In Richmond, Nassau, Suffolk & Westchester (where most Italian-Americans who work in the city reside nowadays) the numbers are far, far, far higher.

Also, Hernando Beach is officially part of the Tampa Metro area, which is what the website you cited (niaf.org) was measuring. So yes, it is relevant.

And yes, of course 100k people is enough for a "decent sized Mafia crew," even if there were only 30 Italian-Americans there would be enough for a "decent-sized" Mafia crew. But compared to other parts of the United States where there is a large Mafia presence, Tampa dwarfs in comparison.

So there is a lot of Italians in Tampa Bay Metro? and Hernando Beach is the most Italian part of the metro? And when using population of Italians as a metric, they could have a "decent sized" Mafia crew?

Because in your post it states-

"Not really in the city anymore. Suburbs there are a few, but not a sizeable enough amount to house a Mafia family or any decent-sized crew."

Good point. I should have phrased it differently. Compared to New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, and other states with a large Mafia presence, the Italian-American presence in Tampa is scarce. But compared to the rest of America, it has a decent amount of Italians.

Alexandarns

I just seen your post

I was asking Bronx if he was familiar with Tony's Luncheonette that was on new Utrecht ave, and Rich Centre's social club that was also located on new Utrecht ave
Both were very popular for probably 40+ years.

Any one from Bensonhurst knew these two spots.

The.Bronx had mentioned a barber Sal and Frank's that was right there as well.

Are you asking me about those two places?

Anyone of those places back in the day was crawling with wiseguys and associates

Wild Bills.whole crew used get their hair cuts at Sal and Frank's as a matter of fact if you read wild bill He's story when he

Sorry got cut off

Wild Bills son when he tells the story of when he is beeping his dad and from the barber shop
He is actually at Sal and Frank's when he realizes his Sr. Is gone.

Sorry got cut off

Wild Bills son when he tells the story of when he is beeping his dad from the barber shop
He is actually at Sal and Frank's when he realizes his dad.isnt coming back....

Where specific bhurst? New utrecht and? Talking about those 2 places

Bill got his hair ,nails done by Bruno's on 20th and 85th.. bruno had a brother frank who left his brother and opened up in nyc.. frank and sal's was a butcher, deli,fruit veg,store on 18th.. frank is a made guy from sicily his brother fillipo was also with sicily

Bronx do you have some info on the Lucchese guy Danny Cutaia?

Lol ok

Frank & Sals was a barber shop on 72nd Street and New Utrecht Ave

I don't know every place everyone got their manicures
done

I just know who I would see there from time to time.

Everyone from the old neighborhood knows them.

Bills crew Rico, Dom Jo-Jo Russo would be in there.on Wedsnesday before they went to Bills club.

Alexandarns

The other place was Tony's Lunchenette it was two doors down from
Sal and Frank's

Tony was a good guy his son got jammed up
He ended up flipping on a stock fraud case

He had to move his some down to FL and hide him out.

Poor guy was all broken up after that
He was never the same