Gambino working on reorganization of NY families

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2017/12/carlo-gambinos-aborted-plan-to-protect.html

Carlo Gambino's Aborted Plan to Protect New York Mafia?
By Ed Scarpo Saturday, December 09, 2017

Interesting read. Thanks for the link!

Wow this is crazy !
But i think he would have never be able to do that.
the 3 families even without the genovese's help would have killed the gambinos.
Thank you ciment !

I agree it would of been difficult but he was right it did need a reorganization.

Yeah.
And So i guess it's true that quality is better than quantity....

What puzzles me is that he wanted to induct only select men who'd proved their loyalty. What litmus test would he use when one gets caught?
Especially when a prosecutor gives you an offer 25 years in jail or a much leaner sentence if you cooperate.

Well you see guys like tony ducks, gotti, gigante, dellacroce, fat tony, cirillo and more, Are loyal 100% and would rather die then rat.
For me is that i don't get why he so cared about the rest of the families when he could just isolate his own family from the rest of the families and then reorganize his own family.
But yet again this will cause a war too.

I agree it would be hard for him to isolate his family but I do not see why he couldn't reorganize his own family.
I have observed that crime family that induct blood relatives are less likely to rat on their own. For, example the Ndrangheta have far less members that end up informants than other crime families.
I also noticed with the Camora, if one becomes informant then his entire family will be in danger of retaliation.

Yeah it's true.
Well they did it with the inzerillo's
When frank cali married their daughter.
They should do it with more members so that way they won't become informant, you right !
Today mob should do it...
And only recruit zips and local rising stars.

I did know he wanted to absorb the Luccheses makes sense because they are both palermitani families.

Yes and Carlo and tommy were good friends too.
I wonder why he didn't do it in the end

If you believe in this theory then it would make sense on why Gambino took out Tommy Ryan Eboli...if you believe that theory as well.

Personally, I don't know if Gambino had anything to do with it or not and I have doubts about it but if Eboli's death was directed by Gambino then it falls in line with the ambition and ideas that he had of one family in New York.

He never would have succeeded in bringing the Genovese family under his umbrella. I think it was a wiretap of Genovese people, I forget who exactly, but they basically called Gambino and his family a bunch of inbred degenerates.

Interesting theory, it seems we are all in agreement that Gambino's plan would not have succeeded without having a bloody and probably protracted feud.

While Tommy Luchese was Palermitani, I believe the core of the family were Coleonese, as they were an offshoot of the Genovese's.

You're right the family was founded by people from Corleone, but that town is also in Palermo province.

True, but Palermitani, in it's truest sense, means those from in and around the capital Palermo. Most Sicilians, then at least, referred to themselves from their town of origin.

The Gambinos and Columbos were mostly Palermitani, the Genoveses and Lucheses were Corleonese and the Bonannos Castellammarese.

As we saw with Toto Riina’s war, Corleone and the town of Palermo might as well be different planets. The former is much smaller and more rural. That being said, US mobsters might be so Americanized that they don’t give a shit (even by the time of Gambino’s reign in the sixties).

True, relationships are more important than origin. But it's interesting for historians and you know how it is with Italian-Americans. Where in Italy are you from? lol.

Think this was just a idea gambino had that even he new he could never pull off. The genovese didnt trust him from all the wiretaps from the late 60tys tommy ryan. Joe bonannos family elected phil rusty in 1973. You had sam the plumber say joe colombo was nothing but carlos lap dog. Think it was just ego and him talking out loud. He knows the last time there was a boss of bosses or 1 boss they killed him and made 5 families.

Just my two cents but I fail to see how this could be pulled off. Gambino thinks just by expelling and or retiring members they’ll go away peacefully? Gangsters who dedicated their lives to the families will just agree to leave their lively hoods and seek legitimate jobs there after? I think this would have ended in colossal failure.

I agree with this. Look at where that got Sal Maranzano.

Not one of the other New York Families were ever going to let it happen.

The Genoveses were being run by Funzi and Benny Squint, The Lucheses, who were Carlo's biggest allies when Tommy Brown was alive, due to family alliances, were being led by Carmine Tramunti, while Tony Ducks was in prison, and had strong links with the Genoveses. The Columbos had Persico as Boss, and he would never kowtow to Gambino and the Bonnanos had Evola and later Rastelli. Rastelli was a weak Boss, and while he may have not had the strength to stand against Gambino himself, other members of that Family would never have let it be taken over.

Carlo probably had the biggest influence of the Commission members in the time under discussion, but I think his actual power had lessened since Tommy Luchese died. I also believe the Genoveses were probably the strongest Family again by that point; assuming they were ever not.

This was stupid and pure greed.Carlo thought he would live forever and if their was only 1 crime family he would be at the top.Can you imagine how much heat there would be on the boss if there was only 1 crime family in new york.And how was he going to expel members???He would of wanted to expel 100s of guys then these guys would of just formed their own crime family and they would of been bitter enemies with the Gambinos

I agree completely, I think that people confuse the most powerful family with the boss who had the most influence on the Commission. There was never any evidence to indicate that the Genovese stopped being the most powerful family in NYC, if not the entire country. As for Gambino's plan, it probably would have failed miserably. He and Luchese had a hard enough time getting Bonanno to step aside, the Gambinos trying to impose their will on the other four families would have ended up in a blood bath, with the body count highest on the Gambino side. Also, if I remember correctly, by that time he had already had Castellano stand in for him as acting boss a couple of times because his health was failing. I doubt that he would have been well enough to engage in what would have been a huge war. Castellano would have had to have done a lot of the heavy lifting, and from what we know about him I doubt that he would have had the stomach for that type of thing.