Gotti with Jojo & Jackie

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Sorry had trouble resizing the picture on my iPhone so just inserted the link. First time I’ve seen this pic over the yrs

Who is the guy far left/ and Gotti for once looks terribly dressed in this pic. His striped tshirt looks like prison attire

Even Jackie & JoJo look more sharp

Gotti had a repuation for wearing some outlandish clothing sometimes. One mobster said he wore like a all purple suit once

Must have been his sailor phase.

The guy on the left in full view is Iggy Alogna

left .iggy greg depalma dojo .pizzonia finger in camera

What is crazy is, back then, the police didn't have to wonder where the bad guys were assembling. Gotti had an address and time to see ALL who were connected.

That doesn't occur in 2017!

Nice one fellas and wow didn’t even see Greg Depalma Bronx.

Nobody mentioned Gotti’s coffee boy Normand DuPont. I wonder if he ever spat in Gotti’s black coffee. I’m sure he got his fair share of abuse like Jackie did. They didn’t call him Cripple for no reason

lol. john was very rough at times, more so after a big week of gambling losses.lost his nice ways ..norman doing life,have good day Tony

Bronx was Gotti abusive to everyone within his circle/ or only the guys he could push around

I had that book where they showed all the transcripts of cirelli apartment, and it seems Frankie Lo was a very passive/ quiet type guy which is why Gotti abused him at MCC. Now compared to sammy, Sammy had a stronger character/ personality

Cheers Bronx

if john was in a good mood and liked you, he would build you up in front of everyone, if his balls were twisted he reveled in abusing you in front of everyone, lets say at a table with john and 10 guys, he would do all the talking, very few guys would chime in. nobody wanted to make a mistake, frank lo is a mans man, only problem he had was not being strong enough with john, i mean not aggresive,but more assertive , like you said listen to the tapes,

I think Gotti was dressed in his best prison stripes.

Cheers Bronx for the insight !!

Wouldn’t that be an extremely boring evening being sat quietly at a table not daring to say much day in day out- but I guess that’s what the guys signed up for

Reminds me of my dad, everybody in his presence is always fearful of saying the wrong thing or rather him taking it the wrong way myself included- so I just end up being very quiet when usually myself or others are talkative people

So what did John used to talk about Bronx since he would hold court- in the tapes it seems he goes in very long rambles with Frankie lo who just says yes every now and then

I'm not a lawyer and also not very familiar with American law, but I never really could understand how Frankie Loc could get life when he basically said nothing on those tapes, incriminating or otherwise..

Did he need to, though? As consigliere, the RICO laws had him dead to rights as part of the conspiracy.

locascio got life for sitting on the wrong couch. what kind of bullshit is that? the government should apologize and release him immediately.

Seems JoJo was close with Gotti. Or was he just Gottis driver? Read the Capecis book on the wiretaps of John Gottis conversations, and couldn't find a quote on Gotti talking about JoJo. Did Jojo have the same respect for Peter Gotti or John jr?

hello Tony, john spoke alot about sports, politics, news of the day, food, restaurants, he would tease guys when he was in a good mood..if he liked you , he would brag about you .he was at his best around a bunch of guys..very witty, loved playing cards ..

I've seen that picture before. Don't remember where but they said Skinny Dom who was pointing his finger at the camera person said something like 'You better not sell the pictures' or something to that effect.

haha fuckin Moe...hope youre doing well my friend

What is Jackie Nose up to these days? I dont recall him having been imprisoned or do i have that wrong?

Isnt Jojo Corozza due to be released soon?

Didn’t someone on here say they bumped into Jackie recently or few yrs back

He was with a bunch of younger guys & poster said they overheard him saying something like “it wasn’t easy working for Gotti”

& cheers Bronx. Cutler described Sammy as always subservient around Gotti despite fact Sammy made out like he was confrontational with Gotti

nobody was confrontational with gotti, chin gave him some sarcasm.

What do u mean? Like just ball busting?

when john told chin about making his son,,chin said sorry to hear it

Yes Bronx, that’s what Sammy mentioned in his book. I’m sure Chin/ Genovese people were respectful in person

Didn’t they skip his son’s wedding though

I also remember reading that comment that Jackie made. If I remember right they were standing outside of a chipolte restaurant lol when he said it.

..I guess the Chin wasn't that crazy after all..

they had alan longo, allie shades , micky dimino, joe glitz, and more , well reped

Wonder if jojo c son the lawyer got inducted into the family. Seems like he wanted it. He used to be in the press alot whenever there was a gambjno trial. Maybe guys dont want him representing them hes to tainted but he was in the papers alot.

Does anyone ever remeber him winning a big rico trial?

Don’t remember that but he’d prob give u a nice “friends and family” discount & we all know how much the “Cutler & Shargel” crime family charges

I don't necessarily agree. sure guys in his crew weren't confrontational but Gotti wasn't this guy who was feared by everyone...thats for sure.

the guys in the gambino family were ,for sure they kissed his ass,other families have their own boss to fear like chim ,vic gas, ect.i was not speaking for all of cosa nostra

Hey Bronx love your stuff you post on here and BH. I just had a question about Jojo and Johns relationship. Did he keep him close to kind of seperate him from Nicky or did he actually enjoy his presence? By all accounts he seemed like a miserable dude.

If u look at the guys around Gotti, he didn’t surround himself with absolutely anybody “within his circle”

The guys that were with him daily being Jackie, Pete, Bobby, jojo were all very subservient personality wise

U see he couldn’t have a strong personality or guys who were born leaders like himself to be within his circle. There’ll be a clash of personalities

Jojo was a tough guy but they didn’t call him miserable for nothing- and seems like a quiet guy

Jackie was his runaround guy/ Pete the same despite being his older brother

Gene, now he was very headstrong and similar to John in a lot of ways but u wouldn’t see him being one of Gotti’s butlers

Bobby again was a big friendly type giant and very loyal but tough when needed to be

These are also the guys he would trust enough to invite to his house if that makes sense

hello Hardy, john liked jojo. john also made lil nick a captain..

well said Tony, `you can add jackie the actor and joe watts to your list those were his night life guys

thank you Hardy,

What about Tony Lee? He was on trial with Gotti. Where did he fit in? I'm pretty sure that the trial that they were co defendants in, was one that was fixed. Did he end up having to have a re trial after Gravano testified? When I see all the reruns of these guys, it seems like Gotti is the least intelligent of them all. He didn't have one racket that he pioneered. He killed the boss and that was it.

smart people do stupid things , Blue, he was very smart,ego was his poison.tony lee good guy ,they were found not guilty

Come on Bronx Gotti wasn't intelligent lol. Tough? Yes Had balls? For sure but definetly was not the sharpest tool in the toolshed. He wasn't a particularly good earner at least not as good as most other crews. He was a degenerate gambler who pissed away all his crew profits so they had to resort to drug dealing. Lets be honest without Neil he wouldn't have gotten very far and as respected as Neil was he wasnt a smart gangster either which is part of the reason carlo passed him over. One thing I do agree with you about is his ego. Just listening to the prison tapes shows you have high of a opinion he has of himself and how he acts like he is so much smarter than everybody else when in reality he was a moron

Agreed. Frank Decicco would have been a better choice. I bet if Frank never gotten blown up they would have probably gotten rid of Gotti within year

lol hello JC, we agree on almost everything you said, John was not smart but intelligent, extremely well read, very witty, look at the news everyday, you have brilliant minds doing the most dumb things to ruin their lives.. killing paul dumbest thing he could do, talk in that apt. in clubs ect, john wanted his image to be , me work? me open a biz? john gotti does non of that ,it is for soft guys, all ego, john could talk about anything and if he didn't know ,he would find out, im talking non mob related topics, he and his crew were a disaster for C.N. you can throw in , he believed in CN .... until it appied to him and his people, then all bets off.he gambled and lost his money and peoples lives and lost everytime..

frank was never going to be able to make a deal if john got killed first, he was paul's betrayer, first ,foremost.. without frank john can't get away with killing paul.. frank was extremely respected in the gambino's and every other family..my opinion JC

Eh He definetly wasn't smart or well read. FBI Agent Joe Coffey once said of Gotti "He had the vocabulary of a sailor, no imagination, Every word was F or MF or CS, it was unreal...he was a moron" Hilarious but true quote

coffey was drunk everyday, he would go up to Elaine's in NYC ,he was at the bar slurring all over everytime he was there, he def hated gotti, i don't think gotti liked him to much, bad filthy mouth has nothing to do with smart ,not smart, john always wanted to sound gruff, baratonish voice, i respect your opinion ,we will both stay with our positions..

No offense but did you know Gotti personally? How do you know he was so smart? I admit I didn't know him but have done research on him for like over many years and from everything I have seen from people who knew or encountered him he defnetly wasn't smart. I'm not saying he was a total dummy( he obviously knew the streets and knew how to get guys to follow him) but smart is not a word I would ever put along with gotti lol

o.k.

not sure what that was about.

easy.. like i stated you have yours i have mine, I'm not here to try and change your mind at all, just giving you and all my input , how many times could we go back and forth saying the same thing, i respect your opinion.nothing more or less, that is what these boards are about, if we all said and thought the same, how boring would that be, we would have all the answers and no need to ask questions. hopes that helps JC.

Just relax man. I wasn't trying to change your opinion

again , you missed it, i said i was not trying to change your mind or anyone else, on this topic nobody can change my mind, I'm always relaxed JC thats why i come on here to relax even further. any more relaxed my wife will have to take my pulse and see if im alive..just trying to give input, like with coffey, i gave you some insight as to what he was like and were he hung out acting a fool with the rich and impressionable. and yes i did see him there several times..im old and have a few bucks

i didnt miss anything. First off i wasnt talking about coffey, i just brought up a quote he made which was pretty accurate. Obviously you dont like him which is fine.

last post on this topic for me..JC, you said you were not trying to change my opinion, ..right, that is not what i wrote i said i respect yours and i am not here to change yours or anyones..you used coffee as a 100% accurate reference. no? or yes? , and he did say that you are correct, so you used that guy as fact, i said he is a blowhard loud mouth that the detectives hated him..once you use him .my point is he is not the last say on gotti, thats all. if you want to believe him as fact, fine ..that is your right..hope you understand what I'm trying to type.. absolutley did not respect him..

i NEVER said he was my main reference. I simply used his quote because many others have said similar things about gotti. I can tell you are starting to get a bit oversenitive. You seemed to misinterpret what i said

o.k..any other topic we can go to.

no need for sarcasm.

Sure pick ANY topic you want and i will discuss

Gotti might not have had the academic background of a Law student but he sure as heck wasn’t stupid. Yes he did make a fatal error (playing up to the media), and talking too much but all criminals make mistakes from time to time even the best

Gravano 99.9% of the time slates Gotti but he remarked how smart Gotti was. Now that’s not to say Gotti was a business minded individual, perhaps Gravano was referring to how smart he is in general

I previously posted a video of that Irish guy who did time at MCC/ who is a producer now and he pretty much said the same thing.

As for being stupid for trying to be all over the news, who knows perhaps he did that to keep himself safe. I bet without the media constantly being around- Vic Gas & the West Side would have got to him much sooner/ not implying he didn’t enjoy the attention, he DID!

Scarfo said he was very sharp too. That’s the opposite of stupid

lmao that was me. it was on 3rd avenue near 85th street outside of the Chipotle. i was walking home from work and walked right by him, all i heard in passing was him saying "ill tell ya, hanging out with john gotti......" and didnt hear the rest. looking back , its kinda weird he said Gotti's full name instead of just "hanging out with John..."

he looked like he barely aged from all those pics you see him in wirh Gotti from the 80s / 90s. definitely didnt look like he was in bad shape.

i know he used to live right up there on 86th street back in the day. when i saw him it was about 2 years ago. i wonder if hes back living up in that neighborhood again

There is a big misconception regarding Gotti’s intelligence. Same with Scarfo.
Everyone is born with a special talent. Gotti had a natural ability to lead. Thats really what it boils down to. Most people dont have that quality.
He probably had average to above average intelligence. But who knows, he never took the SAT exam.
He was not dumb, thats for sure. People naturally gravitated towards him, he had that gift. Those who have that gift arent dumb.
Let me ask you guys this.. the United States put all their resources into arresting one guy ( Gotti ). Do you really think he would of never been arrested if he wasnt so high profile??? Maybe he would of been on the streets another year, if it wasnt gravano who flipped, it would of been someone else. You have to remember, the gambino’s were the biggest and most profitable family at that time. There is no way you can bring in that kind of money without the feds targeting you.
It boiled down to this.. the FBI against one guy.. who wins??

the scumbag lawyers always win..very good assessment Aces

i never denied his ability to attract guys to follow him. He did have a ability to lead in a way. HOWEVER i still dont think he was a smart guy. He wasnt a dummy but ill put it this way...he wasnt as smart as he thought he was or like he said in his prison tapes

Lets assume Gotti had a genious IQ. Would that have made a difference? No.
He would of ended up the same way. Lets say he never talked and wasnt high profile? He still would of ended up in prison for life and there would of been another rat that identified each and every capo.
Look how low profile bin laden was and we found him.
Once the government targets you, its all over.
Was Gigante smart?? What kind of life did he have?? A shitty one. At least gotti enjoyed life. Gigante lived the life of a prisoner before he ever went to prison.

great comparison Aces CHIN GOTTI life style..it dont matter when the G comes

The act the Chin put on did work for a while so it's a possible trade off.

There is a lot of men that never leave there neighborhood especially in the old Italian communities .

I don't know every day on the street is pretty good .

Aren't some of Gigante's relatives still living off of some of his rackets? Gigante didn't think of himself, he thought of both his mob family and his real family. The Genovese family is still the most powerful family today thanks mostly to the operations Chin was able to keep going while he shuffled around like a lunatic, even if he wasn't able to enjoy the spoils in public. Gotti couldn't think beyond himself. This is what Gravano has always talked about.

“Every day on the street is good”..
Every day on the street in a bath robe in not good.. when gotti went down, alot of guys wanted nothing to to with being boss. Technology became far too advanced and both Leonetti and Gravano ( both underbosses) sent a clear message that omerta was now only just a word in the urban dictionary.
Believe it or not, guys like gotti, scarfo, and amuso prove that starting at the bottom and getting to the top doesnt work well in the mob. All 3 started off as street guys that planned scores and were basically arch criminals. Castellano and Bruno were quint essential racketeers not gangsters. They make the best bosses though. They make business decisions not emotional decisions.
All 3 guys i mentioned met their demise by making a bunch careless emotional decisions.
Think about that, its true.

Jackie had a good relationship with cefulo he made him his underboss before they were busted for operation old bridge and cali was in his crew since the 80tys wonder if the corrozzo still hold power in the family or have they been put out to pasture.

I know will never really know there not a press release but if the Sicilians have the power why have competition for a pair of brothers who held high ranks but kept going to jail before they could takeover the thrown.

I would like to see what did the impact of John bambino's have on the Sicilians influence, we all know, when you don't share power it leads to problems

Gambino death

Yeah like who will replace john gambino as capo ?

Don't forget gene Gotti comes out next year, he might be considered the leader of the non-Sicilian faction