Posted By: SimonChen
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 04:03 AM
Why was the ceremony happened in Canada?
Posted By: miklo
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 04:42 AM
Is Paul Ragusa a Gambino or Bonnano associate?
Posted By: mightyhealthy
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 05:26 AM
This is fascinating and falls into question all of our assumptions...
Haven’t posted here in about a year but had to log in when I saw this. Hope Pizza, pmac and SinatraClub are still around
Posted By: mightyhealthy
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 05:28 AM
What I mean was — the smart money was on these guys having 0 influence in Canada anymore. Just interesting to me. Why would Canada bother taking orders form NY?
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 05:32 AM
Im lurking. Genovese rat anthony from springfield testified when he was inducted in summer 2003 he went to a steakhouse in the bronx a soldier told him leave all hiss shit at the bar they drove to apartment complex he had to strip down to his undies. He was giving a bathrob and lose the underwwear. They did the ceromony. Just goes to show how far ahead of the game that family is. What are you gonna do hide a wire up your ass.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 09:16 AM
People in prison smuggle all kinds of shit up their ass all the time, so why not? What are they gonna do, finger another wiseguy's butthole to make sure they're not wired up?
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 11:23 AM
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Paul Ragusa
Real Name: Paul Ragusa
Aliases: None Known
Wanted For: Armed Robbery, Arson
Missing Since: June 14, 1996
Details: Paul Ragusa was a leader of a small gang in New York City, but wanted to be higher in the gang society. He began his own personal "crime wave", and began robbing banks, setting fires, and actually shot and injured a security guard during a robbery on June 23, 1993. Although thirteen of the gang members were arrested, Ragusa remains at large and is now on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list.
Extra Notes: This case first aired on the May 22, 1998 episode.
Results: Captured. In January of 1998, Ragusa turned himself in to the authorities. He's now serving a 19-year sentence.
PAUL RAGUSA
Register Number: 00663-748
Age: 46
Race: White
Sex: Male
Located at: Brooklyn MDC
Release Date: 11/20/2017
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 11:39 AM
Family members of Ragusa went away in the Pizza Connection case.
Posted By: ralphie_cifaretto
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 12:19 PM
the bonannos need to be some fucked up group to allow somebody to record their ceremony. im sick of this family. they make anyone and anybody over there and the way they do it is all fucked up. guys dont get their fingers pricked..theres no gun and sword on the table
Posted By: MeyerLansky
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 01:00 PM
the bonannos need to be some fucked up group to allow somebody to record their ceremony. im sick of this family. they make anyone and anybody over there and the way they do it is all fucked up. guys dont get their fingers pricked..theres no gun and sword on the table
Haha you are funny like the real ralph
Posted By: Biggie
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 01:17 PM
I'm not a pro whem it comes to audio surveillance, my guess is a wire up someone ass, it probably wouldnt have great sound quality..MOE, when you stick those gerbils up your ass, can you clear hear them squealing or no?
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/10/17 01:22 PM
How did you know I stick gerbils up my ass?
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/11/17 11:53 AM
Genovese guy that ratted in 2003 said that he first come to a cafeteria then 2 wiseguys took him to another place and ordered him undress and gave him a bathrobe and then he was taken to the ceremony and was made.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/11/17 03:40 PM
You wouldn't want to have a small dick if you were getting made with the Genovese.
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/11/17 05:53 PM
How far the rizzuto chokehold on montreal has fallen if there making cops into there crew up there. All assumptions thou.
Posted By: maverick
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/13/17 11:51 PM
Just from what I've read in papers never says "where" in Canada this ceremony took place in . Violi brothers are from Hamilton- Toronto no mention of Montreal in reports
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/14/17 05:01 AM
Sounds like the acting capo zumma was probaly selling a fake button. The gambino guy nicky skins had the philly guy on tape in 2011 talking about his finger bleeding all over the place the guy anthony from the genovese was stripd naked and a gun on table burning saint card. The gambino family made the decav family reinduct the whole family cause they didnt use a gun and blood rite. Just doesnt seem rite. Will see if it ever comes out in trial.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/14/17 01:04 PM
Sounds like the acting capo zumma was probaly selling a fake button. The gambino guy nicky skins had the philly guy on tape in 2011 talking about his finger bleeding all over the place the guy anthony from the genovese was stripd naked and a gun on table burning saint card. The gambino family made the decav family reinduct the whole family cause they didnt use a gun and blood rite. Just doesnt seem rite. Will see if it ever comes out in trial.
Was thinking the exact same thing Pmac..
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/14/17 01:55 PM
If Vito made Desjardins nothing suprise me anymore about inductions.
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/14/17 01:58 PM
Just from what I've read in papers never says "where" in Canada this ceremony took place in . Violi brothers are from Hamilton- Toronto no mention of Montreal in reports
But they are close to Montreal's Cotronis.
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 11:10 AM
According to gangland news it's Vincenzo Morena who recorded his own induction. No agent.
Posted By: Beanshooter
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 12:09 PM
Here is the article. I only posted the part about the Canada and induction case.....
This Week in Gang Land
By Jerry Capeci
Enzo Morena Makes It Big, With The Mob, And 'The Law'
Gang Land Exclusive!Vincent MorenaOn June 4, 2001, a cluster of friends and relatives gathered in a second-floor apartment in Bayside, Queens to wish then 28-year-old Vincent (Enzo) Morena well as he headed off to prison. Included among those crowded around Morena were fellow members of the the Giannini Crew, a kind of mob farm team based in Queens, at least those members who weren't themselves already behind bars. The crowd joked and told war stories at Morena's "going away party" as he prepared to serve a 51-month stretch for racketeering. Enzo was a popular figure: His buddies viewed him as a "tough guy who was always on deck, waiting to be called into the batter's box."
Since he had already served a year before he was granted bail, Enzo was hopeful that he'd be out by 2004 — or maybe sooner. "This is no big deal," he boasted to his pals.
Actually it was a very big deal. Morena, who is now 45, and uses Vincenzo as his given name, didn't make it back to New York for about 15 years. When he did, he was a big deal to his wiseguy pals, who inducted him into the Bonanno crime family. And he was an even bigger deal to law enforcement officials in the U.S. and Canada who had secretly turned him into an informant.
Enzo Morena, Gang Land has exclusively learned, is the turncoat wiseguy whose crowning achievement was boasted of by the FBI and federal prosecutors last week: He videotaped his own induction ceremony into one of New York's notorious Five Families while working as a cooperating witness for The Law.
Paul RagusaSources say Morena, an Italian national, is the unidentified cooperating witness who was cited last week in three Brooklyn Federal Court indictments laying out familiar mob crimes involving drugs, guns, loansharking and money laundering. As part of that mission, he also helped mob investigators videotape the 2015 Bonanno crime family induction in Canada where he took his own blood oath to the Mafia.
One indictment charges Bonnano capo Damiano Zummo, who allegedly conducted Morena's initiation ceremony, and an associate with selling a kilogram of coke for $38,000 in a Manhattan gelato store two months ago. Another charges Gambino soldier Paul Semplice with loansharking. A third indictment accuses Morena's old Giannini Crew buddy Paul Ragusa with buying a small arsenal of weapons, including three machineguns.
But the sensational aspect of the joint U.S. Canada operation, what acting Brooklyn U.S. Attorney Bridget Rohde declared was "an extraordinary achievement for law enforcement," was the November 15, 2015 induction ceremony of Morena that was both audio and videotaped.
The ceremony was nothing like the ritualistic ceremonies conducted by mob bosses that involved bloody pin-pricked fingers and burning pictures of saints being juggled by inductees to keep their hands from being singed, according to a government transcript. It was not remotely as dramatic as those described on the witness stand by top New York turncoats like Alfonso (Little Al) D'Arco or Salvatore (Sammy Bull) Gravano.
Bridget RohdeFittingly, for a secret organization that has seen its warriors jailed, its boss defect, and its fortunes plummet in recent years, Morena's ceremony was a bland, simplistic affair. It was conducted not by a boss or acting boss, but by a previously unknown 44-year-old acting Bonanno capo named Zummo from Roslyn Heights. But it does contain introductions all around, the familiar "friend of ours" phrase, and a warning that loyalty to the crime family is paramount.
"The reason why we're here is from this day forward, you're gonna be an official member of the Bonanno family," Zummo tells Morena, who is identified as CW-1 in the transcript. "It's already . . . from this guy, this guy, this guy, everybody approved it, so from this day forward, you're a member of the Bonanno family. Congratulations."
"Thank you," replied Morena.
"And now I want to introduce you to John," Zummo continued. "John, friend of ours with the Bonanno. John, Enzo, friend of ours with the Bonanno," said Zummo, who also introduced Morena to "our skipper," and their acting captain, adding, "You're gonna be in our regime. You only answer to the Bonanno family."
Alfonso D'ArcoMuch of the information about the two year investigation, and details of current day mob doings that the FBI and Royal Canadian Mounted Police have gleaned are still under wraps. But a filing in the case against Semplice, 54, who like Zummo, has no prior record and is virtually unknown, indicates that the Gambino crime family recognized Morena as a bonafide "friend of ours."
In the memo prosecutors Drew Rolle and Tanya Hajjar filed seeking to detain Semplice as a danger to the community and as flight risk, they cite several excerpts from a November 18, 2016 conversation between Semplice and Morena to back up the government's contention that Semplice is a longtime Gambino soldier, who viewed Morena as a made man.
In addition, they wrote: "Consistent with his status within the Gambino crime family, the defendant personally introduced the CW to multiple other 'made' members and associates of the Gambino crime family from across the country and around the world."
During the November 18 talk, Rolle and Hajjar continued, "the defendant introduced (Morena) to the 'boss' and 'underboss' of an international organized crime family from Italy who the defendant knew to be 'Gambino guys.' These formal organized crime introductions can only be made by inducted members, and further reflect the defendant's commitment to organized crime."
Tanya HajjarUnstated by prosecutors, but a loud and clear message from their words is that the Gambino family clearly recognized Morena as a "friend of ours" who could be trusted. It apparently didn't matter that the Bonanno family induction was presided over by an "acting capo" or that it took place in Canada.
Sources say Morena's trip from Bayside, Queens to Hamilton, Ontario, was a circuitous one that began with his Brooklyn Federal Court indictment along with Bonanno soldier Baldassare (Baldo) Amato and 20 other Giannini Crew members who were vying for big time roles with the Bonanno, Colombo and Gambino families.
After doing time for armed-robbery conspiracies of a bank and a bar, he was deported to Italy where he lived with his wife and son until 2011 when sources say he decided it would be easier for him to sneak back into Canada than the U.S., and he did so after his wife and son entered legally as visitors.
To make his detection as a convicted U.S. felon a trifle harder to spot, he became Vincenzo Morena, instead of the Americanized version he used growing up in Brooklyn. Sources say he flipped and began cooperating with the RCMP after he was arrested in August of 2014 in a suburb of Montreal as part of a coke smuggling ring.
Baldassare AmatoThis summer, Morena returned to New York to snare Ragusa, who was in a halfway house near the end of a 19 year stretch for racketeering charges that included an armed bank robbery, on weapons charges that could keep him behind bars for the rest of his days.
On July 18, Ragusa, 46, was recorded asking Morena whether he could make "good money" for a murder-for-hire plot that he was looking to give his old friend. After Enzo responded that he could get "a couple hundred thousand" from his benefactor, Ragusa said: "I hope he comes tomorrow."
To stress that Ragusa was a danger to the community who deserved to remain behind bars awaiting trial, prosecutors Rolle and Hajjar noted that Ragusa "further stated that he would stick an 'ice pick' through someone's head."
Lawyers for Zummo and Semplice deny that their clients are either dangers to the community or pose a risk of flight. Zummo is scheduled for a bail hearing today. Semplice gets one Monday.
Posted By: antimafia
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 02:59 PM
^^^^
I think I found out what happened to Morena that he decided to become an undercover agent (cooperating witness).
Link to cached webpage:
Telegraph-Journal article (cached) You'll have to scroll down a bit before you get to the article.
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 03:09 PM
^^^^
I think I found out what happened to Morena that he decided to become an undercover agent (cooperating witness).
Link to cached webpage:
Telegraph-Journal article (cached) You'll have to scroll down a bit before you get to the article.
Great find, so this happened in Montreal.
Posted By: antimafia
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 03:23 PM
^^^^
I think I found out what happened to Morena that he decided to become an undercover agent (cooperating witness).
Link to cached webpage:
Telegraph-Journal article (cached) You'll have to scroll down a bit before you get to the article.
Great find, so this happened in Montreal.
If you're asking about the location of the ceremony, all we know is that the ceremony happened in Canada. The ceremony could have happened in Hamilton, Ontario. My guess is that, in Quebec, Morena was living somewhere between Laval and Drummondville. He was definitely living in Quebec; so the ceremony could have happened in Quebec.
If you're asking about the drug trafficking--heroin was involved too, not just cocaine--google "Operation J-Tornado."
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 04:18 PM
I was wrong. Wonder who was the boss an underboss from italy were. Wonder why know one wonder how he was getting in n out of the us borders so frequent. I called a drug bust. If this guy was that close to the brooklyn gambino guy then the feds must know everything going on there qhose the rwal boss ect.
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 04:19 PM
Bad look for the bonannos. That boss mike mancuso has like 1 yr left he'll probaly get indicted again.
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 05:59 PM
Last thing so the fbi and mounties had a a ci in the family why did they expose him. Why not just keep letting him collect intel. So he set up his old queens friend ragusa guy wasnt even out the halfway house after 20yrs crazy buying guns probly from the fbi. Hes toast.
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/16/17 10:40 PM
^^^^
I think I found out what happened to Morena that he decided to become an undercover agent (cooperating witness).
Link to cached webpage:
Telegraph-Journal article (cached) You'll have to scroll down a bit before you get to the article.
Great find, so this happened in Montreal.
If you're asking about the location of the ceremony, all we know is that the ceremony happened in Canada. The ceremony could have happened in Hamilton, Ontario. My guess is that, in Quebec, Morena was living somewhere between Laval and Drummondville. He was definitely living in Quebec; so the ceremony could have happened in Quebec.
If you're asking about the drug trafficking--heroin was involved too, not just cocaine--google "Operation J-Tornado."
I mean the bust, I thought the induction was in/near Hamilton. Zummo and Morena are both from Calabria I think.
Posted By: Ryan98366
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 08:39 PM
Bonanno Crime Family:
1. Let in FBI Agent Donnie Brasco
2. Kicked off commission
3. Drug dealers
4. First Full Boss to turn rat
5. Had making ceremony recorded
Nice job boys!!!!
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 10:28 PM
I wonder whoevers left of the montreal crew didnt have a read on this guy getting busted back in 2014. He snuck back into Canada in 2011 so he must have been hanging around whatevers left of vito rizzuto or sal the iron workers guys. This guy zumma calls im guessing everone left in there montreal bonanno crew then they have a half assed ceromony not even a knife on the table or burnt tissue. I wonder who the capo hes surposed to report back to is, he in nyc or up there? Seems like this guy was coming and going to nyc to montreal freely i thought its hard to go across the border with a felony record weird maybe the fbi was letting him come n go. Did baldo amato propose him from prison.
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 10:41 PM
Don't know how hard it is to visit Canada, but at the wedding anniversary of Paolo Cun trera few years back there was a delegation from NY.
Posted By: antimafia
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 10:57 PM
Don't know how hard it is to visit Canada, but at the wedding anniversary of Paolo Cun trera few years back there was a delegation from NY.
Is the source for that the
Business or Blood book?
Posted By: Hollander
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 11:25 PM
Anti, I checked the book again and it doesn't mention anyone from the US my bad just people from all over Canada. So maybe they were there or not, but I'm sure I read somewhere the Americans did attend meetings in Ontario.
Posted By: Serpiente
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 11:39 PM
I wonder whoevers left of the montreal crew didnt have a read on this guy getting busted back in 2014. He snuck back into Canada in 2011 so he must have been hanging around whatevers left of vito rizzuto or sal the iron workers guys. This guy zumma calls im guessing everone left in there montreal bonanno crew then they have a half assed ceromony not even a knife on the table or burnt tissue. I wonder who the capo hes surposed to report back to is, he in nyc or up there? Seems like this guy was coming and going to nyc to montreal freely i thought its hard to go across the border with a felony record weird maybe the fbi was letting him come n go. Did baldo amato propose him from prison.
Legally to cross he would have problems but it's easy to cross anyplace but the actual boder crossings especially in Maine it's just a hike down a trail but I am sure they are crossing in vehicles easily .
Posted By: pmac
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/19/17 11:45 PM
I read about some gambino guy like 10yrs ago getting deported back to italy then he went to montreal bought a jet ski and drve it during the summer lake Champlain it huges went there thjs summer goes alway up to montreal its on the ny Vermont borders. About a hour after lake george north. Nice up there big money.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/20/17 12:45 AM
Anti, I checked the book again and it doesn't mention anyone from the US my bad just people from all over Canada. So maybe they were there or not, but I'm sure I read somewhere the Americans did attend meetings in Ontario.
With Vito Rizzuto in Toronto in October 2012.
Posted By: BennyB
Re: Bonanno Making Ceremony Recorded - 11/20/17 08:51 PM
Bonanno Crime Family:
1. Let in FBI Agent Donnie Brasco
2. Kicked off commission
3. Drug dealers
4. First Full Boss to turn rat
5. Had making ceremony recorded
Nice job boys!!!!
And before that, the namesake of the family, Joe Bonanno staged a fake kidnapping of himself, ran away to Arizona and wrote a book about his life in the mafia