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JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame?

Posted By: Organized Crime Channel

JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/27/17 04:08 AM

Once we get done pouring over all of the 2,800 released documents hopefully we will get to see how much of the Mafia's role was played in the JFK Assassination...

See below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD5DdOaFtfU
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/27/17 06:56 AM

All of the files are supposed to be released by this year by the act of Congress in 1992. Trump is keeping some files away from the public due to national security. Maybe it shows that Ted Cruz father had nothing to do with the assassination and that is why Trump order some of the files withheld.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/27/17 07:37 AM

I think that kennedy was killed by the mafia and cia. Jfk father promised to the mob that his son will close both eyes on the mob but jfk made the opposite; jfk was against the war in Vietnam and the bay of pigs invasion failed due he denied the aviation cover. So that behind a mr nobody that was a worst shooter that killed the president and after was killed by a mob associate that after few years died in prison due a providential cancer; I think there was the mob and the cia.
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/27/17 08:02 AM

I believe because JFK's dad was obviously in the bootlegging business,as was LCN.

Once Chicago and NY got their grips into the Prohibition money, they told JFK's dad what HE MUST pay them....He probably was not up to date on what he owed them BUT, claimed that once his son became president, THEY would be paid back in a way that only a President can do. I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

JFK could NEVER grant a pardon as such in the beginning of his term. Impeachment city!

JFK couldn't deliver on the promise his dad made to LCN....So, they chose to make Sr. feel the most pain. Burying his child.

My theory!
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/27/17 10:27 AM

I go with a CIA operation with the help of some elements of the mob.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/27/17 11:19 AM

Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
I believe because JFK's dad was obviously in the bootlegging business,as was LCN.

Once Chicago and NY got their grips into the Prohibition money, they told JFK's dad what HE MUST pay them....He probably was not up to date on what he owed them BUT, claimed that once his son became president, THEY would be paid back in a way that only a President can do. I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

JFK could NEVER grant a pardon as such in the beginning of his term. Impeachment city!

JFK couldn't deliver on the promise his dad made to LCN....So, they chose to make Sr. feel the most pain. Burying his child.

My theory!


1)JFK should simply ignore Mafia but he made his brother U.S. attorney general that pushed Hoover to fight the mob;
2)Luciano was out of games and was replaced;
3)Of course JFK couldn't keep his father's promises but he not only fight the mafia,made fail the bay of pigs operation,He stood against the military because he don't wanted to attack Vietnam,so made more enemy that friends;
4)pardon the mobsters ? in the 1960 the mob controlled the politicians so, no one could try the impeachment.
Posted By: Alfa Romeo

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 02:35 AM

The mafia isn't exonerated. I haven't yet read any of the released files on the JFK hit, but one thing reported on the news about one of the revelations from the declassified files was that the CIA at that time wanted to use the mafia to assassinate Fidel Castro. Therefore they were hit men in the government's employ.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 04:01 AM

Oswald killed Kennedy.
Posted By: pmac

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 04:51 AM

Always thought it was lbj he gained the most. Whats up with insecure sam giacanna. Hes gonna kill fidel for the cia for 150k which is probaly like 20 million today. But the cia has to bugg a casino hotel in vegas were his mistress stays banging all the hotel staff when hes gone. This guy was a boss sounds like a bitch.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 05:35 AM

Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

Lucky was almost two years dead when JFK was killed. But you're certainly entitled to the rest of your theory.
Posted By: jace

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 06:37 AM

The evidence pointing to Cuba or Russia being behind Oswald has always been way more convincing. It was Oswald on his own or with backing from one of those two countries. Oswald had once tried to assassinate an army general, and had been in trouble as young man for shooting at people from a window.

In the year prior to his killing JFK Oswald had developed a close friendship with a Russian named George de Mohrenschildt, and he seemed to be Oswald's only close companion in the year leading up to the assassination.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 06:49 AM

Yup. I think a case can me made for either. Or, and don't laugh, for Oswald acting alone. Give a conspiracy theorist enough time and he'll think of a plausible scenario for just about anything. One thing I'm certain of: We'll never get the truth out of the government. And that's IF they even know the whole truth. I don't care how many files need to be "legally unsealed." It'd be like getting the Vatican to give up secrets about the early Church.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 08:28 AM

I read the feds knew about the death threat against Oswald, hopefully we learn someday more about Ruby's motive.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 10:28 PM

Trump is now going to release all secret documents about John F. Kennedy's assassination in 1963, except information with names and addresses of people still living. He let it know on Twitter.
Posted By: Binnie_Coll

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/28/17 10:33 PM

Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
I think that kennedy was killed by the mafia and cia. Jfk father promised to the mob that his son will close both eyes on the mob but jfk made the opposite; jfk was against the war in Vietnam and the bay of pigs invasion failed due he denied the aviation cover. So that behind a mr nobody that was a worst shooter that killed the president and after was killed by a mob associate that after few years died in prison due a providential cancer; I think there was the mob and the cia.


i agree furio, joe kennedy sr was deeply involved in the mob, the mob thought they were double-crossed
Posted By: pmac

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/29/17 03:01 AM

Lydon johnson and hoover. Who made it bigger then them.
Posted By: pmac

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/29/17 03:01 AM

I see ya pizza. I
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/29/17 06:43 AM

Originally Posted By: pmac
I see ya pizza. I

Guest appearance, pmac lol. How's my favorite Boston Irishman these days?
Posted By: ItalianIrishMix

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/29/17 11:10 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
I would guess that THEY wanted pardons for jailed members. Maybe even a re-entry for Lucky.

Lucky was almost two years dead when JFK was killed. But you're certainly entitled to the rest of your theory.


Also got to consider that JFK got into office on January 10th, 1961.....Lucky died January 26, 1962.

Since LCN had all the politicians back then, they may have believed that on January 11, a presidential pardon was coming....That is dumb thinking if they did.

The only facts I have to even add this into my theory is, just like the Joe Bonanno situation. Once he 100% knew he wasn't getting back into the life, guess what time it is?

Time to give the middle finger to your supposed friends.

BOOK TIME!

I also believe Lucky was murdered.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/29/17 12:58 PM


I hope these files answer the big questions. Like why they made Oswald wear a tiny hat when they arrested him. Because, you know, I’ve always wondered about that...

Posted By: Turnbull

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/29/17 10:06 PM

The files released neither confirmed or debunked any of the conspiracy theories,[u][/u] or the Warren Commission's conclusion that there was no conspiracy, and that Oswald acted alone. The only thing I'm certain of is that there will never be a case-closer. Too much time has passed, too many people have died, too much evidence has either been lost, disappeared or deliberately destroyed.
Posted By: DB

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/30/17 12:13 AM

There will never be some smoking gun as this type of operation wouldn't be down on paper although travel logs for guys like William Harvey , David Morale and David Atlee Phillips . Most of their files are still being held up .

Johnny Roselli is a mafia guy that was likely involved as he was very close to William Harvey and David Moralez who ran our foreign political assasination group and who worked together on the Castro hit ZR Rifle .

The first documents declassified in the 90s had some real good info on how top CIA guys like James Angelton closely observed LHO from 1959 thru 1963. LHO defected to Russia and was a classified radio operator for U2 planes flying from a CIA / military base in Japan to Russia and yet he was able to walk back into the USA without even an interview , ( yeah ok ) LHO was being used knowingly or unknowingly for some pretty serious shit .

Whoever did the hit knew about LHO relationship with the CIA and probably used that to their advantage ( blackmail ) as he was in several important cables between Mexico City and CIA HQs in Oct 1963 about his visits to Cuba and Russia embassies which were shown to the public until the 1990s . The even crazier part is LHO was impersonated in his calls to Cuban Embassy in Oct 1963 so all kinds of intelligence activities was going on around him , I do wonder if he had a clue

Crazy shit but I love following it smile . Who knows who Ok'd but some of the same CIA , anti Castro Cuban and TB / NO / Chi mafia guys that were supposed to hit Castro after the Cuban middle crisis turned around and hit Kennedy . I don't think we will ever know but some Italians researchers are doing some excellent work tracing the Americans intelligence agents and Italians at the company CMC Permadex to the murder weapon and even financing part . Very good new documentary on it and that guy William Harvery was banished to Rome CIA head after his demotion after Cuban Missile Crisis.

In 2014 the CIA wrote a report admitting to a "benign cover up" by CIA head McCone and several senior CIA agents whatever the hell that means .
Posted By: DB

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/30/17 12:19 AM

Also what I find interesting is the HSCA in 1979 stated there was likely a conspiracy ant the DOJ should investigate further . The fact nothing happened after that investigation which still had it laws but was more thorough than the WC is pretty crazy IMO. The WC was a legal brief to convict LHO and prevent and international incidents or at least that's what LBJ said . There's is that phone call with LBJ and Dick Russell saying no way LHO could do that shot . I agree with that as well
Posted By: GangstersInc

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/30/17 04:30 PM

When the American government asked the Mafia for a favor: The assassination of Cuban leader Fidel Castro

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/bl...-favor-the-assa
Posted By: Organized Crime Channel

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/30/17 06:33 PM

Here is the follow up video on the released files:

Sam Giancana, The CIA, and Plots to Kill Fidel Castro and JFK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhEICNgw3Jc
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/02/18 10:57 PM

I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/03/18 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Faithful1
I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.


Nicely said and the Mob probably had nothing to do with it except dont forget that the government "sometimes" keeps important files from us even though they are always saying that everything is released. The only thing was that the Mob was only happy with the whole situation but i would disagree a little bit that Oswald was the lone shooter or in other words i disagree that he acted on his own.

Btw wasnt Crimaldi responsible or wasnt he the start for the whole Nicoletti-CIA story?
Posted By: Faithful1

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/03/18 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Toodoped
Originally Posted by Faithful1
I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.


Nicely said and the Mob probably had nothing to do with it except dont forget that the government "sometimes" keeps important files from us even though they are always saying that everything is released. The only thing was that the Mob was only happy with the whole situation but i would disagree a little bit that Oswald was the lone shooter or in other words i disagree that he acted on his own.

Btw wasnt Crimaldi responsible or wasnt he the start for the whole Nicoletti-CIA story?


Thanks. Oswald may have had help, but the available evidence points to him as the only shooter.

Crimaldi said he believed that Nicoletti may have been killed because of his role in the Fidel Castro plot, not for killing Kennedy. He added that he didn't have evidence for this belief, but he was speculating. A Professor Adams thinks that Gaeton Fonzi, a conspiracy-believing journalist who worked for the HSCA, was the source of Nicoletti being involved in the Kennedy assassination. That's also speculation, but it sounds possible.
Posted By: DB

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/03/18 09:47 PM

Actually most of the evidence points to a likely conspiracy

The WC just pushed aside any evidence that didn’t fit their lone shooter legal
brief to calm down the public .

I believe there are 40+ witnesses that claimed a shot from the front

Oswald alleged weapon was nearly in operable and you can’t miss the entire
Car on the first shot and then hit 2 bulls eyes afterwards . Not enough
Time to re aim and re load

JFK had a hole in his shirt that made it impossible for
A bullet to come out his neck , particularly from the alleged angle of LHO.

Also you have LBJ and Richard Russell who was a top guy on the WC on a phone call saying they
Didn’t believe the magic bullet before the warren report came out .

Seems today people are trying to pin it back to Cuba and Russia but it’s pretty
Clear LHO was at least an asset of the CIA and possibly more. You can’t defect
From a top secret U2 base, be willing to provide radar secrets to the USSR, then
Come back via a loan from the State Dept and nothing happens to you at the height of the Cold War


LHO was monitored by the spy master , James Angetlon, the unit that spied
On spy’s . A new document just came out saying Angleton new
LHO was in Dallas a week before the Assassination. This after
Angetlon stated LHO was in Mexico City meeting with an alleged
Soviet Assassin and while all this was allegedly going on
The FBI removes him from their security index in October 63. Have to ask yourself
Why Angetlon didn’t pass along info an alleged defector was meeting with a Soviet assasin to the FBI? Unless
Some serious spy stuff was gong on here, who knows who played who but
There was certainly an attempt to lay the blame at USSR and / or Cuba ( the
other embassy LHO supposedly visited ). Whoever did the hit
Knew about LHO dealings w CIA and FBI and basically forced a cover up.
Brilliant shit actually

Don’t forget 9 months after JFK was killed , Krushchev was over thrown
By the war wing of the Soviet Union . Pretty sure same happened with JFK .

I’m not some conspiracy freak , just like to read the facts and it seems
some real bad shit went down here . Some rouge guys that were supposed to hit
Castro seemed to have changed targets back on JFK
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/03/18 10:35 PM

Is there really even evidence that Oswald was a shooter?
Posted By: MightyDR

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/04/18 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Faithful1
I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.


I'd never truly believed the mob was behind the JFK assassination, but always thought the Nicoletti hit was worth a mention. Thanks for clearing that up Faithful.
Posted By: pmac

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/04/18 01:16 AM

yaeh it makes sense the cia did it. put 60 blame on the mafia and even had half of them believe it was them. buffalino from scranton surposssssssely told irish guy it was a mistake. sounds like a tall irish tale. then the sopranos tv show ran with it.
Posted By: pmac

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/04/18 01:17 AM

wonder why that guy jimmy roselli ended up in a 55 gallon drum in the ocean.
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/04/18 01:31 AM

This is why I still think anything is possible. And, I ask again, is there any genuine proof Oswald himself fired a single shot? For all we know, it would be a lone shooter that wasn't Oswald. I mean, if we're going by solid evidence. Johnny Roselli was recruited by the CIA. You get the CIA, anti-Castro Cubans, mobsters, and send directives through all of these intermediaries and buffers, and who knows what direction this Frankenstein walks in? They all had the means to pull of what happened in Dallas that day.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/04/18 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Faithful1
Originally Posted by Toodoped
Originally Posted by Faithful1
I found a lot of great material in the newly released files, but nothing that connects the Mob with the JFK murder. Nothing at all. I also followed up on some other conspiracy claims, such as Chuck Nicoletti being killed just before he was called to testify in the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That's what a 1977 article in Rolling Stone magazine claimed. I contacted two people who were on that committee and they said it didn't happen. Nicoletti wasn't called to testify nor was he even considered. So after we wade through all the fake news, the evidence points to Oswald as the lone shooter.


Nicely said and the Mob probably had nothing to do with it except dont forget that the government "sometimes" keeps important files from us even though they are always saying that everything is released. The only thing was that the Mob was only happy with the whole situation but i would disagree a little bit that Oswald was the lone shooter or in other words i disagree that he acted on his own.

Btw wasnt Crimaldi responsible or wasnt he the start for the whole Nicoletti-CIA story?


Thanks. Oswald may have had help, but the available evidence points to him as the only shooter.

Crimaldi said he believed that Nicoletti may have been killed because of his role in the Fidel Castro plot, not for killing Kennedy. He added that he didn't have evidence for this belief, but he was speculating. A Professor Adams thinks that Gaeton Fonzi, a conspiracy-believing journalist who worked for the HSCA, was the source of Nicoletti being involved in the Kennedy assassination. That's also speculation, but it sounds possible.


Thanks
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/04/18 10:59 AM

The theory of involvement of french connection gangster Lucien Sarti also intrigued me.
Posted By: DB

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/05/18 01:42 PM

Roselli was allegedly killed as he was spilling too much information to the HSCA in his secret testimony

Mob guys were very likely involved as they were used as part of the Castro VIA hit team and Roselli was tight with some of the CIA top ZR Rifle guys (operation that killed foreign leaders) such as Dave Morales, Bill Harvey, Rip Robertson but the Mob wasnt strong enough to pull off the cover up so while they were involved it was rogue agents in the CIA that did alot of the heavy lifting

Stll Trafficante, Marsello, Rosselli and John Martino (who gave a semi confession about the hit before he died to a reporter) at some involvement and knowledge


The below is from a good book that tells the info some CIA employees gave about LHO being an employee or agent of the CIA which is what I personally think. Its interesting that the first group to say it was a conspiracy was the CIA funded DRE anti Castro group who hours after the assassination were leaking to reporters LHO TV and radio tapes where he was a Communist, trying to connect the hit back to Cuba/Russia. George Joanides was the CIA agent that ran the DRE and he was brought back out of retirement to be the CIA liaison to the HSCA (what information to give them). The CIA never told the HSCA Joannadies role with the DRE and the CIA and are party to a 15 year lawsuit to release his files. The DRE had several encounters with LHO, including the fight in New Orleans.

The JFK hit was some serious spy craft shit IMO. So sad but so fascinating




In the mid 1970s, the Senate’s Church Committee on intelligence and the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) opened the CIA’s lid on Lee Harvey Oswald and discovered James Jesus Angleton. They found that Angleton’s Special Investigations Group (SIG) in CIA Counterintelligence held a 201 file on Oswald in the three years prior to JFK’s assassination. Considering what William Harvey wrote about creating phony 201 files for ZR/RIFLE scapegoats, an obvious first question is: How genuine is Oswald’s file (or what little we have been given from it)? In any case, judging from the interview of a key witness about Oswald’s file in Angleton’s SIG office, its mere presence in that particular location was enough to give the game away.

It was Angleton’s staff member, Ann Egerter, who opened Oswald’s 201 SIG file on December 9, 1960.[56] Egerter was questioned by the House Select Committee. They knew they could not expect her, as a CIA employee, to answer truthfully, even under oath, the question whether Oswald was a CIA agent. Allen Dulles, Kennedy’s fired CIA director, had said in the January 27, 1964, closed-door Warren Commission meeting that no CIA employee, even under oath, should ever say truthfully if Oswald (or anyone else) was in fact a CIA agent.[57] The House Select Committee therefore had to get the answer from Angleton’s associate, Ann Egerter—by then retired and somewhat obliging—by indirect questioning.

When Egerter was asked the purpose of Counterintelligence’s Special Investigations Group (CI/SIG), she said, “We were charged with the investigation of Agency personnel who were suspected one way or another.”[58]

Egerter had thereby already made a crucial admission, whose implications would be drawn out step by step. Her HSCA interviewer then asked Egerter to confirm this specific purpose of SIG: “Please correct me if I am wrong. In light of the example that you have given and the statements that you have made it seems that the purpose of CI/SIG was very limited and that limited purpose was being [sic] to investigate Agency employees who for some reason were under suspicion.”

Egerter replied, “That is correct.”[59]

She was then asked: “When a 201 file is opened does that mean that whoever opens the file has either an intelligence interest in the individual, or, if not an intelligence interest, he thinks that the individual may present a counterintelligence risk?”

Egerter: “Well, in general, I would say that would be correct.”
Interviewer: “Would there be any other reason for opening up a file?”
Egerter: “No, I can’t think of one.”[60]
Researcher Lisa Pease concluded from Ann Egerter’s testimony that Oswald’s 201 file in CI/SIG “implies strongly that either Oswald was indeed a member of the CIA or was being used in an operation involving members of the CIA, which for my money is essentially the same thing.”[61] In either case, Oswald was a CIA asset.

Egerter also indicated by her testimony that Oswald was a particular kind of CIA asset, an Agency employee who was suspected of being a security risk. That would have been the reason for opening a 201 file on him specifically in Angleton’s Special Investigations Group of Counterintelligence. Egerter said SIG was known in the Agency as “the office that spied on spies,”[62] and repeatedly identified the spies being spied upon as CIA employees. She again described the work of her SIG office as “investigations of Agency employees where there was an indication of espionage.”[63]

Her interviewer in turn patiently sought reconfirmation of this stated purpose of her office that so strongly implied Oswald was a CIA employee under investigation by the Agency:

Interviewer: “I hope you understand my questions are directed toward trying to find out what the purpose of the CI/SIG Office was and under what circumstances was the opening up of the 201 file [on Oswald]. I am given the impression that the purpose of CI/SIG was very limited, primarily to investigate Agency employees who for one reason or another might be under suspicion of getting espionage against the United States. Is that an accurate statement of the purpose of CI/SIG?”
Egerter: “Well, it is employees and also penetration, which is the same thing, of the Agency.”[64]

Ann Egerter’s testimony points toward Oswald having been a CIA employee who by December 1960 had come under suspicion by the Agency. He was to be carefully watched. As a security risk, he was also the ideal kind of person for the CIA to offer up three years later as a scapegoat in the assassination of a president who some believed had become a much greater security risk.

Former CIA finance officer Jim Wilcott confirmed the implications of Egerter’s deposition. In his own HSCA testimony, Wilcott said Oswald served the CIA specifically as a double agent in the Soviet Union who afterwards came under suspicion by the Agency.

Jim Wilcott’s straightforward testimony on Oswald was made possible by his and his wife’s courageous decision to divorce themselves from the CIA and speak the truth. After nine years working for the CIA as a husband-and-wife team, Jim and Elsie Wilcott resigned from the Agency in 1966. “My wife and I both left the CIA,” Wilcott testified before the House Select Committee, “because we became convinced that what CIA was doing couldn’t be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism.”[65] In 1968 as participants in the anti-Vietnam War and civil rights movements, Jim and Elsie Wilcott became the first former CIA couple to go public with what they knew, in spite of the risks to themselves. They made the decision in conscience to speak out, they said, in order “to sleep better nights.”[66] Thus their marriage became a CIA profile in courage.

Jim Wilcott worked in the finance branch of the Tokyo CIA Station from 1960 to 1964. During the same years, Elsie Wilcott was a secretary at the Tokyo station. When President Kennedy was assassinated, the station went on alert. Jim was assigned to twenty-four-hour security duty. He passed the time with agents whose tongues had been loosened by alcohol. They told him the CIA was involved in the assassination.[67]

“At first I thought ‘These guys are nuts,’” he said, “but then a man I knew and had worked with before showed up to take a disbursement and told me Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA employee. I didn’t believe him until he told me the cryptonym under which Oswald had drawn funds when he returned from Russia to the U.S.”[68]

The man at the disbursing cage window who revealed the Oswald connection was, Wilcott said, a case officer who supervised agents.[69] The case officer said Wilcott himself had issued an advance on funds for the CIA’s Oswald project under the cryptonym. “It was a cryptonym,” Wilcott told the House Committee, “that I was familiar with. It must have been at least two or three times that I had remembered it, and it did ring a bell.”[70] In recognizing the cryptonym, Wilcott had to confront his own complicity in the CIA’s Oswald counterintelligence project that was the background to the president’s assassination.

In a 1978 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Jim Wilcott said, “It was common knowledge in the Tokyo CIA station that Oswald worked for the agency.”

“That’s true,” Elsie Wilcott said. “Right after the President was killed, people in the Tokyo station were talking openly about Oswald having gone to Russia for the CIA. Everyone was wondering how the agency was going to be able to keep the lid on Oswald. But I guess they did,” she said.[71]

In an article based on what he learned at the Tokyo Station, Jim Wilcott wrote: “[Oswald] had been trained [by the CIA] at Atsugi Naval Air Station, a plush super secret cover base for Tokyo Station special operations...

“Oswald was recruited from the military for the express purpose of becoming a double agent assignment to the USSR ... More than once, I was told something like ‘so-and-so was working on the Oswald project back in the late ’50s.’

“One of the reasons given for the necessity to do away with Oswald was the difficulty they had with him when he returned. Apparently, he knew the Russians were on to him from the start, and this made him very angry.”[72]

Oswald’s anger, while he was trying to arrange his return to the United States in late 1960, would have been reason enough for James Jesus Angleton to order his Special Investigations Group to keep a security watch on the CIA’s double agent. Thus, Ann Egerter opened his 201 SIG file on December 9, 1960
Posted By: Fleming_Ave

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/07/18 12:01 AM

If Oswald had any help, I don't think it was the mob. Russia or Cuba is possible, likely even. If it was Americans it was CIA, not mob. I don't think the mob would even try to hit a President. But CIA or KGB can operate on a whole different level.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/07/18 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Fleming_Ave
If Oswald had any help, I don't think it was the mob. Russia or Cuba is possible, likely even. If it was Americans it was CIA, not mob. I don't think the mob would even try to hit a President. But CIA or KGB can operate on a whole different level.


The Deep State. wink
Posted By: Footreads

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 04/07/18 09:36 AM

Everyone alive remembers where they were when jfk was shot. I was bowling at parchester lanes in the Bronx. I can tell you this no one was crying that I saw when we heard he was shot in that place. No one in the place even stopped bowling. So not everyone loved him as they liked to say today.
Posted By: GangstersInc

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 10/03/19 10:48 AM

A Tale of Espionage, the CIA, the Mafia, double agents, Cuban exiles, and President Kennedy: Plot to kill Fidel Castro http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...cia-the-mafia-double-agents-cuban-exiles
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/16/21 03:49 PM

US releases new batch of documents about JFK assassination
The disclosure of secret cables, internal memos and other documents satisfies a deadline set in October by President Joe Biden and is in keeping with a federal statute that calls for the release of records in the government's possession.
By: AP |
Updated: December 16, 2021 10:51:41 am
Part of a file from the CIA, dated Feb. 3, 1968, titled "Mexico City Chronology" about Lee Harvey Oswald's time in Mexico and contact with the embassy of the Soviet Union in Mexico City, that was released on Dec. 15, 2021, and that was part of the investigation into the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. (AP Photo/Jon Elswick, File)
The National Archives on Wednesday made public nearly 1,500 documents related to the US government’s investigation into the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

The disclosure of secret cables, internal memos and other documents satisfies a deadline set in October by President Joe Biden and is in keeping with a federal statute that calls for the release of records in the government’s possession. Additional documents are expected to be made public next year.

There was no immediate indication that the records contained new revelations that could radically reshape the public’s understanding of the events surrounding the Nov. 22, 1963, assassination of Kennedy in Dallas at the hands of gunman Lee Harvey Oswald.

But the latest tranche of documents was nonetheless eagerly anticipated by historians and others who, decades after the Kennedy killing, remain skeptical that, at the height of the Cold War, a troubled young man with a mail-order rifle was solely responsible for an assassination that changed the course of American history.

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The documents include CIA cables and memos discussing Oswald’s previously disclosed but never fully explained visits to the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City as well as discussion, in the days after the assassination, of the potential for Cuban involvement in the killing of Kennedy.

One CIA cable describes how Oswald phoned the Soviet embassy while in Mexico City to ask for a visa to visit the Soviet Union. He also visited the Cuban embassy, apparently interested in a travel visa that would permit him to visit Cuba and wait there for a Soviet visa. On Oct. 3, more than one month before the assassination, he drove back into the United States through a crossing at the Texas border.

Another memo, dated the day after Kennedy’s assassination, says that according to an intercepted phone call in Mexico City, Oswald communicated with an identified KGB officer while at the Soviet embassy that September.

After Kennedy was killed, Mexican authorities arrested a Mexican employee of the Cuban embassy with whom Oswald had communicated, and she said Oswald had “professed to be a Communist and an admirer of Castro,” according to the cable.

One CIA document marked “Secret Eyes Only” traces US government plots to assassinate the Cuban leader at the time, Fidel Castro, including a 1960 plot “that involved the use of the criminal underworld with contacts inside Cuba.”

Another document weighs whether Oswald, while living in New Orleans, may have been affected in any way by the publication in the local newspaper of an interview an Associated Press correspondent conducted with Castro in which Castro warned of retribution if the US were to take out Cuban leaders.

The new files include several FBI reports on the bureau’s efforts to investigate and surveil major mafia figures like Santo Trafficante Jr. and Sam Giancana, who are often mentioned in conspiracy theories surrounding Kennedy’s assassination.

Apart from the Kennedy investigation, some of the material would be of interest to scholars or anyone interested in the minutiae of 1960s counterespionage, with pages and pages of arcane details on such things as the methods, equipment and personnel used to surveil the Cuban and Soviet embassies in Mexico City.

In blocking the release of hundreds of records in 2017 because of concerns from the FBI and the CIA, President Donald Trump cited “potentially irreversible harm.” Even so, about 2,800 others were released at that time.

The Warren Commission in 1964 concluded that Oswald had been the lone gunman, and another congressional probe in 1979 found no evidence to support the theory that the CIA had been involved. But other interpretations have persisted.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/17/21 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Hollander

There was no immediate indication that the records contained new revelations that could radically reshape the public’s understanding of the events surrounding the Nov. 22, 1963, assassination of Kennedy in Dallas at the hands of gunman Lee Harvey Oswald.

But the latest tranche of documents was nonetheless eagerly anticipated by historians and others who, decades after the Kennedy killing, remain skeptical that, at the height of the Cold War, a troubled young man with a mail-order rifle was solely responsible for an assassination that changed the course of American history.


Yes, that's right. Any documents or other evidence in US government files that could have proved, or even indicated, a conspiracy, would have been removed and destroyed decades ago. But the actual documents will be of interest to scholars.
Most of the Oswald Mexican sojourn materials described in this article was covered already by several authors.
The only thing certain about the JFK assassination is that the case will never be closed.
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/17/21 12:45 PM

Oswald was charged with the assassination of Kennedy, but he denied responsibility for the killing, claiming that he was a "patsy" and two days later, he was fatally shot by local nightclub owner Jack Ruby on live television.

This contradict the theory that Oswald had been the lone gunman.
Posted By: CNote

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/17/21 05:28 PM

Oswald claimed he was a Patsy because it wasn't his shot that hit Kennedy in the head and killed him. Oswald's first shot missed and hit the pavement to the right of the presidential limo as it drove past, fragmented into multiple pieces one of which struck Kennedy in the back of the head. Oswald's second shot struck Kennedy in the back of the neck, passed through him and struck Governor Connally. Oswald never fired a third shot, the third casing(deformed) was already in the rifle. If there had been a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, why would they send an assassin with a cheap rifle and even cheaper scope and little hope of success. The only conspiracy was the one by the Secret Service to cover up the accidental discharge of an M16 in the follow up car resulting in tragic death of the President
Posted By: DillyDolly

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/17/21 06:21 PM

Oswald was NOT a lone gunman, anyone who subscribes to this theory should end up like JFK themselves.
Posted By: Giacalone

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/17/21 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Hollander
Oswald was charged with the assassination of Kennedy, but he denied responsibility for the killing, claiming that he was a "patsy" and two days later, he was fatally shot by local nightclub owner Jack Ruby on live television.

This contradict the theory that Oswald had been the lone gunman.


How? Are you aware of who Jack Ruby was? Read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. It goes deep into this and everything his family and friends said about him. He was a deranged man who loved Kennedy so much that people who knew him were not the least bit surprised he did what he did.

https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-President-Kennedy/dp/0393045250
Posted By: Hollander

Re: JFK Files Released Is the Mafia Still To Blame? - 12/18/21 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Giacalone
Originally Posted by Hollander
Oswald was charged with the assassination of Kennedy, but he denied responsibility for the killing, claiming that he was a "patsy" and two days later, he was fatally shot by local nightclub owner Jack Ruby on live television.

This contradict the theory that Oswald had been the lone gunman.


How? Are you aware of who Jack Ruby was? Read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. It goes deep into this and everything his family and friends said about him. He was a deranged man who loved Kennedy so much that people who knew him were not the least bit surprised he did what he did.

https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-President-Kennedy/dp/0393045250


Thanks for the tip, I know he said he killed Oswald so that Kennedy's widow wouldn't have to testify.
The crime will never be solved for example Ruby's alleged links to the Mossad have they ever be investigated?
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